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All Star Slots (Club World) anyone else?

Discussion in 'America the Beautiful' started by dreamguardian1, Jul 26, 2016.

    Jul 26, 2016
  1. dreamguardian1

    dreamguardian1 Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    Anyone else on massive losing streak with them or is it just me. I have actually stopped depositing anything with them its been so bad. Every deposit gone in seconds, constant losses. I noticed that this happens a lot whenever they introduce new games. And that stupid pop up is beyond annoying, (please deposit more money) sorry if having constant losses not going to continue to deposit at a casino (whether i like them or not) where every single spin is a loss. Been this way for about 2 months now. Wondering if anyone else is having same experience.

    And one tech person told me to wipe out my cookies and cache from computer. My question is what does that have to do with online slots?
     
  2. Jul 26, 2016
  3. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    I closed my account with them. Easily the worst returns ive ever seen in my life. I went years without a win at all. Or even close to a cashout. Finally got sick of driving a wheelbarrow full of cash to their front door and dropping it off
     
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  4. Jul 26, 2016
  5. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Akron OH
    I no longer trust any of them (rtg's) and have stopped playing indefinitely.
     
  6. Jul 26, 2016
  7. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

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    Yup, same here. Also, when I had a gambling itch I would always open up Club World or Jackpot capital's cashier,
    only to cringe when starting to remember the same old slots that I have grown tired of over the years and
    the feeling of an inevitable loss because of the tightness. I would close the cashier without depositing and go
    play somewhere else like at Bovada or Miami Club Casino.

    Also, with Pay My Card down for what looks like an eternal dirt nap, that's the icing on the cake for me.

    Like a bad relationship, I try to go back to RTG to give them another shot but as I sit to reconcile our differences,
    I start to remember why I dislike them and drive away to see someone that I'm more into. It's a shame.
     
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  8. Jul 26, 2016
  9. Deanna

    Deanna Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Administrative
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    Ohio
    Well, that's interesting. And slightly unnerving. I am hoping some tech savvy people chime in on this one.

    I haven't played at CWC for a couple of months now. It's funny, I was having a hard enough time adapting to the $35 min. deposit which cut me back a lot, then the whole issue of getting payouts pretty much shut me down.
    I do still play at Uptown so now I'm wondering what cookies and cache should have to do with what is supposed to be entirely "random" spins. :eek:
     
  10. Jul 26, 2016
  11. bonustreak

    bonustreak Senior Member webmeister

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    Home Office
    I am not thrilled with the newer games RTG is pumping out but I am seeing some wins at other RTG brands... I am sure some are winning at Club World brands as well but just not posting about the wins?
     
  12. Jul 26, 2016
  13. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    when I used to watch twitch all the american streamers would always say they wont play at clubworld because thats the only casino where they could never ever win. So they would play at bovada and slots.lv.

    clubworld def has a very low setting on their rtp.
     
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  14. Jul 26, 2016
  15. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Akron OH
    I wouldn't read too much into the 'cookies and cache' thing. That's a standard, scripted response to performance issues - slow play, interruptions etc.

    For a tech to tell you that in response to crappy luck/rtp/whatever, I'd find it insulting - just as I find the condescending, circular, and evasive answers we've been hearing since the pay2card mess.

    Great job there, RTG's. (slow clapping)

    You took a nice, lucrative niche market and turned it into an i-gaming shithole.
     
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  16. Jul 28, 2016
  17. pmutts

    pmutts Senior Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Hotel Sales
    Location:
    North Texas
    Club World Group---Killing themselves with GREED!

    First I want to compliment Karolina, she has been such an incredibly responsive I-Gaming rep on this site for Club World’s group of casinos. She has helped me many times. The support team at has always been top notch.

    When you rarely even get a good playing session, let alone a win that really means nothing.
    I have lost countless thousands at CWG over the past several years. It literally nauseates me when I think about it. At first I was quite lucky there and their bonuses were generous. The Video Poker starting with Jack or Better paid 9/6 and the pay tables on all of their VP games were in line with most other casinos.

    Then the bonuses became much more stingy and they lowered their Jacks or Better to 8/5. I suspect they lowered the RTP down to the lowest possible setting in the RTG software at the same time.

    With just a couple of exceptions, I have had worse than dismal luck at all of their casinos over the past 2 years. Even the greediest slot machine on any casino floor will hit a jackpot once in a blue moon.

    A 6/5 Jacks or Better Video poker machine sitting next to the 9/6 machine for the uninformed sucker will hit a Royal just as often. This practice is common at Harrah’s New Orleans—the worst major casino to gamble in the entire USA.

    Then they found a processor in China which they still use that bilks their patrons for an extra couple of bucks on every deposit. When I finally realized what was going on with that I PMd Karolina and she gave me a nice credit to my Club World account to compensate me. I lost it quickly without hitting a single bonus round like almost all of my sessions in the past 2-3 years have gone.

    I asked her to remove my ability to deposit by CC and use only secure voucher and that worked for a time but then that deposit option disappeared. Explanation from chat—a problem with their servers from chat.

    Then the Pay My Card option disappeared and never returned. They have repeatedly talked about offering Bitcoin but it has yet to happen. As it stands now, I cannot deposit at CWG and as far as I’m concerned this is one of the best things that has happened to me in a very long time.

    Until they find a decent processor or offer Bitcoin Deposits and Withrawals I won’t deposit there again.

    Until they raise their Video Poker pay tables back up to the norm and raise the RTP on their slots so their loyal players can actually ENJOY playing there I will not deposit there again.

    I hope you are listening Clubworld. GREED IS NOT GOOD. It is not good for the player nor is it good for the house. Because in the end—GREED ALWAYS MAKES YOU A LOSER! This works both ways.
     
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  18. Jul 28, 2016
  19. clubworld

    clubworld Rogue casino operator

    Occupation:
    Casino Manager
    Location:
    UK
    Hi All,

    We are always striving to provide the best customer experience possible and above all fairness. Your feedback and comments really help evaluate areas for improvement, so thank you.

    I can assure you nothing has changed in regarding our game RTP, payouts or performance.
    As you may know we are one of the few RTG casinos licensed by the Kahnawakee Gaming Commission and accordingly we are required to undergo independent, quarterly RTP audits which we publish in the name of transparency and fairness. You can view the RTP audit certificate following the link below, there is also a link on the home page of all our websites. I do not believe any of our competitors offer this level of transparency.

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    In regards to withdrawal and deposit options, we are always doing our best to introduce new methods and improve existing ones. Unfortunately this is sometimes out of our hands, as we are reliant on third party payment processors .

    Kind Regards,
    Karolina
     
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  20. Jul 28, 2016
  21. ironwill

    ironwill Full Member

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    Pepsi Merchandiser
    Location:
    Wisconsin
    sad to say but it is the same with me my friend. I think I withdrew once ever, which was last summer, and have done nothing but lose with them otherwise. And yes, THEIR BONUSES ARE TERRIBLE!!!
     
  22. Jul 28, 2016
  23. lockinlove

    lockinlove Staring into the sun PABaccred

    Occupation:
    I work :D
    Location:
    Canada
    Even though you are the best rep around, I believe this post to be completely untrue. Every single player on here and twitch swears there is something wrong with your returns. Surely we arent all delusional. And this isnt just over 10,000 spins. These a massive sample sizes by many many different people.

    Your casinos greed is costing you players. As you know, I closed my account after being a member for years. thousands and thousands of deposits and never a win. Ever. And as proof in this thread, you are losing more and more players.

    Also to see your slots tested and returned at 91%. Thats pretty damn bad lol
     
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  24. Jul 28, 2016
  25. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Akron OH
    Kahnawakee Gaming Commission eh? Gee, I sure do trust them to be fair and impartial, with millions of dollars involved. :rolleyes:

    iTech Labs eh? Their reports look like an easy-A charter school assignment. :p

    Wake up folks. Anybody can and will cook the books if paid enough money. And that's what this biz is all about - money. Greed, graft and corruption are present anywhere there is a concentration of appreciable profit motive. It's how the world works.

    RTG's are losing business. That has been made clear by the posts here.

    I suspect that Karolina is restricted as to what can be posted in a forum such as this and it possibly puts her in a difficult position.

    People want definitive and detailed answers to problems and complaints, especially concerning money, and until the corporate heads see fit to provide them, revenue will continue to sink. Assuring us of the ol' "independent auditor" routine has gotten pretty stale. Same with "rtp in line with industry standards." Not to mention, "Pay2card in a few weeks...gag..we're working hard." That shit ain't gonna cut it folks. Not any more. We've been jacked around too many times.

    I personally blame RTG casinos' upper level management and their bonehead decisions based on the philosophy that U.S. players will take whatever bullshit (rtp, bonus terms, Dep/WD options) they feel like shoving down our gobs. It feels like, "Take it or leave it, suckers." And, many of us are leaving it.

    The simple answer is to boycott them altogether.

    I was told by a....ahem......prominent :D member of this forum to "vote with my feet".

    That is exactly what I have done.

    Other disgruntled players may want to consider doing the same.
     
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  26. Jul 29, 2016
  27. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Bexhill on sea, England
    That was "slots" as a separate category from "Real Series Slots" - which comprise most of the most popular 5-reel games:
    Their RTP was given as 94.14%, which is what I would have expected for a casino using the "middle setting" RTP model.

    I'm not defending RTG or CWC here (I would say the same when talking about any software - and have done repeatedly on the forum), but people saying "I've had terrible returns from their slots and made dozens of deposits but never cashed-out" is a pretty meaningless statement without other data to support it.
    You need to say for EACH slot: How many spins you played and what your overall RTP was for each one. (Amount won/amount wagered)
    You need to say what exactly was your target cash-out figure: Deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever.
    And you need to say what was the highest point you reached from your deposit (i.e. Did your balance reach deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever).

    We all know slots have a house edge of around 4-5% on average, which means if you keep playing you WILL lose.
    Stating the bleedin' obvious: The only way to profit from 1 particular deposit is to cash-out when you are ahead.
    Without a reasonable cash-out target and the will-power to hit "withdraw" when we reach it, we are all destined to be losers. :(

    KK
     
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  28. Jul 29, 2016
  29. pmutts

    pmutts Senior Member PABnonaccred

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    Hotel Sales
    Location:
    North Texas
    91% !!! That is beyond bad it is horrific! I can easily spin $500 - $1000 an hour so that basically makes me lose $50 to $100 per hour. Unfortunately, I have rarely had a chance to even play an hour the past couple of 2 - 3 years.

    The short pay Video Poker CWG offers is in my view definitive proof that they have become consumed and obsessed with GREED. It was not addressed by Karolina--and you are the BEST Karolina. God I hope you are well paid. Without you they would have lost me and countless others long ago.

    I rarely say never and I have no intention to close my accounts. Currently I do not have a deposit option in the cashier and I wish to keep it that way until I see a good reason why I might want to risk my hard earned money on CWGs sites.

    My recent experiences with JPC, Grande Vegas, and Slotastic have been only slightly better. So many excellent points made in this thread regarding the pathetic nature of RTGs in general and the crappy options Americans have for online play--except in NJ perhaps.

    I've also tried the Bitcoin casinos and cannot say they have offered me much more than another place to throw away money that could be put to good use in my life or the life of others.

    I've said it many times and talk is cheap. Actions speak much louder than words. I truly think that I am ready to stop this madness that I have allowed to consume far too much of my time and money over the past seven years.

    Hopefully the next post you see from me will be the one that I'm celebrating my first full month without placing an online wager.
     
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  30. Jul 29, 2016
  31. shewoff

    shewoff Senior Member webby mm1

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    northeast
    First off let's get the tech issue out of the way.Before you burn your cookies and such you should burn your Flash and make sure that any upgrades are done. A word of warning thou, There was an issue with the new Flash as I recall many here seemed to be having a problem with the new version at the start of it. I would believe it is fixed by now so First make sure you have the current Flash and also burn the cookies there and then all of the rest.

    I had a lot of luck with all of the CWG sites in the past. The last one I had was at LuckyRed and i have not played or made a deposit there since. This is not because of the slots or whether they are tight or loose. But because of the WD issue that has been going on for far too long and I just stopped playing there until RTG get's off it's update and starts to allow the only real US player's WD option in the cardpay that is still not there!
    I had 2 jackpot's and many win's in the first year of play.

    And I agree that Karolina is a GREAT rep here. But she can only do so much with the cardpay issue.

    I do agree that RTG does get a bit boring and does drone on and on. But win's are very possible and if I played as much as I did before win's would be coming out of the CWG sites that I play at.

    I tend to believe that the more I play at a casino the better the odd's are in my favor. This is common sense and it work's for me.I win now at least 3 to 5 times in a week of daily play.

    I do agree that CWG has made a mistake by not picking up a new processor that is capable of processing the US player's WD's as cheaply and as fast as cardpay did. Such as Bitcoin I have had great payout times with BTC as my processor at other site's such as SLOTOCASH,SLOTASTIC,UPTOWNACES etc.Much faster that anything now available to US player's. And I mean my payout times are in the 36 to 48 hour range lately and I can't help but think it is BTC.

    Oh yea KK Nobody does it better.:notworthy Peace Out! Out Of The Mist! shewoff

    Good on ya pmutts if that is what makes your life better. I say go for it and use your money to further your life's quest.
     

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  32. Jul 29, 2016
  33. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

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    Akron OH
    "I'm not defending RTG or CWC here (I would say the same when talking about any software - and have done repeatedly on the forum), but people saying "I've had terrible returns from their slots and made dozens of deposits but never cashed-out" is a pretty meaningless statement without other data to support it.
    You need to say for EACH slot: How many spins you played and what your overall RTP was for each one. (Amount won/amount wagered)
    You need to say what exactly was your target cash-out figure: Deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever.
    And you need to say what was the highest point you reached from your deposit (i.e. Did your balance reach deposit x2, x3, x5, or whatever)."


    C'mon K.K., OP asks for similar experiences and other members respond.

    To state that the responses are 'meaningless' unless they provide all that data is a direct insult to their credibility.

    It's like me asking you, as an experienced and respected affiliate and webmaster, to provide all info as to how many accounts paying you have and what your monthly take is from CW in order to determine the credibility of your post.

    OP did not ask for specifics, nor is her post deliberately intended to bash CW.

    Again, I don't think anybody really has an agenda here. They are simply chiming in on what has obviously become a disturbing trend.

    Note: OP may not be bashing CW and RTG's in general, but I am. They suck and their responses to problems and complaints have been wholly inadequate.

    Pmutts, 5 weeks for me, although I did drop a grand at nearest B&M. Bastahds...:p
     
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  34. Jul 29, 2016
  35. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    Londonia
    I suppose if I'd been introduced to such paltry games early on I wouldn't know any different and accept these terrible returns, ignorance is bliss after all.

    Adjusting RTG games based on where you play - what a farce! It's little wonder punters are peeved off, add to that the excrutiatingly slow payment times and it makes for a terrible experience.

    It's easy for me to say but if my only option left was RTG, coupled with sloth-like withdrawal times for games that pay between 91-92% I'd give up online slotting altogether and stick to b & m joints! :eek:
     
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  36. Jul 29, 2016
  37. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Akron OH

    Every so often over the years the issue of RTG's fairness pops up.

    Typically, a poster (usually a newb) will begin with a rant questioning the fairness of RTG games.

    Predictably, they get clobbered with responses accusing them of tinfoil-hat-ism, or being problem gamblers and all manner of derogatory things. And these responses are by experienced members.

    Then, it comes out that, "Ohhhh! RTG's have three different settings for RTP. That's just business! That's not RIGGED gaming!"

    What a crock of, well...er...um...pickles....:rolleyes:
     
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  38. Jul 29, 2016
  39. goatwack

    goatwack Praise the Sun! CAG

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    Londonia
    Three settings eh?

    I'll take the highest one please! :cool:

    I'm surprised everyone doesn't just play at one place. And what's the deal with Rival, anyone still play them? Used to quite like their games, it's just I don't hear anyone ever mention them anymore. Bit like Playtech over here, the moment you state that you like their games it's like some form of online leprosy :(
     
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