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[paul7388]

Well, the infection-rate kind of keeps climbing over here, so im not sure doing nothing was the best approach.
Still very low amount of cases here in the north of Sweden, but im guessing it will make its way here sooner or later.

Maybe i got it wrong.

But sure i read the last few days cases are soaring in Sweden and it is kind of getting bad. Sure i saw that per head of population Sweden is now real high up in cases.

 

[Sasukdcf]

I'm pretty sure SOW request is not much different to one or other, if you are able to provide everything at one go, then it goes with that one email. If you happen to have something what need to requested after seeing first, second or third part of docs sent, then just have to keep asking until every piece of information is collected and no open questions left.

For some it's also much more simple than others, if you have everything coming and going to one bank account which you also use for gambling, you get out from there very fast most of the time (of course if you have weird transfers in or out from your account, these will be questioned, whole directive is for AML/CTF where second part is about financing terrorists so some transfers might need explanation if they are from private persons etc...), but many things make it more complicated.

If you have private business (or public, doesn't really matter) there can't any suspicion that you might be using business funds for gambling), especially if you have some business where you use netwallets it's harder to be sure if these are tax declared etc.... some people still don't pay taxes for their income which they take to paypals or skrills. And these netwallets, money is coming to there from somewhere so that statement alone hardly ever is sufficient, your income what you get from your job or business or what ever you do for living is usually information looked for to be sure it covers your gambling.

How ever complicated your SOW can be, you still can manage to send everything at once, spend some time and go through your documents and ask yourself if there are open questions or is everything explained there or need some more supporting documents etc.... It's quite logical process, they want to know where you money is coming and going and it's legit to cover your spending.

Maybe so and in hindsight that would be a fair idea but having been given a list of things to send ( as with other sow requests ) I sent them and was then faced with a nevr ending list of other things I was required to send... no mention of what they were trying to achieve/find or explain away ... and the list kept growing...:

having never really faced an issue with it anywhere else ( and maybe I have been lucky ) but that’s what didnt makes sense initially...

That and the timescale it was taking... hence I was getting a bit mardy.....

Someone hit the nail on the head before that with no defined guidelines some places are going the extra mile or 5 to cover themselves...

It was frustrating but it’s done thank fully

again thank you for the many constructive comments and assistance in this...

dave

aka little princess ;-)

 

[Sasukdcf]

Maybe i got it wrong.

But sure i read the last few days cases are soaring in Sweden and it is kind of getting bad. Sure i saw that per head of population Sweden is now real high up in cases.

Oh! My bad

I’ve been too busy “ moaning “ on here to keep abreast of the latest figures !!!

 

[Kroffe]

Maybe i got it wrong.

But sure i read the last few days cases are soaring in Sweden and it is kind of getting bad. Sure i saw that per head of population Sweden is now real high up in cases.

Yeah, we have had some really nice weather last couple of days aswell, so im kind of expecting another "boost" to the infections coming in a week or so.
Still not alot of cases here in the north, but it will come here sooner or later.
This is confirmed cases for the different districts.
Västerbotten is where i live

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[paul7388]

Oh! My bad

I’ve been too busy “ moaning “ on here to keep abreast of the latest figures !!!

Yeah think they were real low at start.

But the last few days cases seem to be soaring over there.

 

[Kroffe]

Long term I think it maybe as the herd immunity theory has some credence in less heavily populated areas...:

not sure there is any country that’s got it exactly right .. the figures suggest not !! But I believe you have a very low death rate compared to many others, or is that just Cos you are all “ well hard “

Yeah, im guessing thats what we were going for.
But seeing as you may get the virus more than once, the herd immunity thing may not be a such a good idea to shoot for.
I think the best thing to hope for short term is a treatment with high success-rate, and long term we have to wait for a vaccine.

 

[Slottery]

Maybe so and in hindsight that would be a fair idea but having been given a list of things to send ( as with other sow requests ) I sent them and was then faced with a nevr ending list of other things I was required to send... no mention of what they were trying to achieve/find or explain away ... and the list kept growing...:

having never really faced an issue with it anywhere else ( and maybe I have been lucky ) but that’s what didnt makes sense initially...

That and the timescale it was taking... hence I was getting a bit mardy.....

Someone hit the nail on the head before that with no defined guidelines some places are going the extra mile or 5 to cover themselves...

It was frustrating but it’s done thank fully

again thank you for the many constructive comments and assistance in this...

dave

aka little princess ;-)

That's the thing, before they have received your SOW you provide, nobody can guess before hand what new requests might be needed after every one which is received, some document might not have all needed information or raising new question which need to be answered.

I would be happy if gettin SOW completed less than week, most don't get all done with one sending but need many interactions, it takes time to review these (much more than KYC), if MLRO need to be engaged there is only one in company.

Not sure how used people are for AML checks but no matter what bank or financial institution, it seems to talways take 1-3 weeks from me to get new business account opened in any place and keep then sending all possible documents when thought for sure sent everything starting from two letter of recommendations from other banks etc.... There's reason why casinos don't give handle times for these like KYC:s.

 

[shadow123]

Problem with SOW and AML requests is the presumption that everyone will roll over and send everything
requested without objection, regardless of how personal and intrusive it may be.To me there is something
fundamentaly wrong about "sending everything at once".The casinos and the UKGC have all the power, there is no one to stick up for players.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Problem with SOW and AML requests is the presumption that everyone will roll over and send everything
requested without objection, regardless of how personal and intrusive it may be.To me there is something
fundamentaly wrong about "sending everything at once".The casinos and the UKGC have all the power, there is no one to stick up for players.

It shouldn't be the casino's responsibility to play judge, jury and executioner- it's as simple as that. Whether you deposit via bank account or via an e-wallet, I'd argue that these financial institutions are better placed to make judgements on people's monetary incomings and outgoings.

In the UK, banks have strict fraud monitoring so why does a casino need to get involved? People do, and have had their bank accounts terminated for suspicious activity.

For the average casino player, they don't want all this shit; they don't want to have their bank accounts scrutinised by some Maltese clip joint and they don't want the level of intrusiveness just to play a few spins on what should be a bit of fun....and neither should they have to.

 

[shadow123]

Always thought it should be done by a third party with no agenda and under very strict codes of conduct,
as you say probably the financial institutions are much more used handling confidential data and are better
placed to carry out this work than what at the end of the day are glorified bookies.

 

[Slottery]

I'm 99.89% sure that any casinos would be happy to get out from this shite and refer all players to any 3rd party to be checked, unfortunately, don't see it happening.

This is something nobody want but it is there and have it's legal grounds to be there, can't see much chance that casinos could somehow get excluded from these directives, would need some quite high level decision which then would then welcome all the do what ever they want in business where money is coming and going forth and back without any monitoring.

About UK and AML, there really are some quite remarkable weaknesses which get pointed in different studies every year, think most common estimation about amount of "dirty money" going through UK is around £100 billion a year. UK banks and weaknesses in many sources which are used to verify information is making UK tempting place for this. Not willing add any links to teach bad habits to anyone but from internet different studies and researches are quite easy to find. Problem does exist and monitoring really is not that great, UK have come more and more tempting country especially for smurfing what casinos can experience quite more than catching, these can be really challenging to find, banks don't usually catch any due to low transactions.

 

[Harry_BKK]

It shouldn't be the casino's responsibility to play judge, jury and executioner- it's as simple as that. Whether you deposit via bank account or via an e-wallet, I'd argue that these financial institutions are better placed to make judgements on people's monetary incomings and outgoings.

In the UK, banks have strict fraud monitoring so why does a casino need to get involved? People do, and have had their bank accounts terminated for suspicious activity.

For the average casino player, they don't want all this shit; they don't want to have their bank accounts scrutinised by some Maltese clip joint and they don't want the level of intrusiveness just to play a few spins on what should be a bit of fun....and neither should they have to.

You do know that online casinos are designated as financial institutions or financial services companies (don't know the exact word in English), hence, they are bound by the same AML, anti-terrorist etc regulations as your bank. So your argument is completely moot.

What is a Maltese clip joint? Are you for real? It is a fact that fraud at online casinos is rampant in the UK. It is the country with one of the highest fraud and attempted fraud rates at online casinos. So there is that!

Why do you think Neteller and Skrill are restricted for bonuses?

Geez, maybe do some research first before calling any casino operator a clip joint.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

You do know that online casinos are designated as financial institutions or financial services companies (don't know the exact word in English), hence, they are bound by the same AML, anti-terrorist etc regulations as your bank. So your argument is completely moot.

What is a Maltese clip joint? Are you for real? It is a fact that fraud at online casinos is rampant in the UK. It is the country with the highest fraud and attempted fraud rates at online casinos. So there is that!

Why do you think Neteller and Skrill are restricted for bonuses?

Geez, maybe do some research first before calling any casino operator a clip joint.

I didn't specify any casino as a clip joint. However, that is what a lot of people will view them as when having to divulge such sensitive information.

Do you not think people would feel better if their info was being sent to a neutral, trusted 3rd party with no ulterior interests?

 

[Halvor]

I didn't specify any casino as a clip joint. However, that is what a lot of people will view them as when having to divulge such sensitive information.

Do you not think people would feel better if their info was being sent to a neutral, trusted 3rd party with no ulterior interests?

So who's the Maltese clip joint then?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I didn't specify any casino as a clip joint. However, that is what a lot of people will view them as when having to divulge such sensitive information.

So what did you mean with Maltese clip joints? Not casinos or were you referring to something else.

Rest assured that UK casinos have just as much information on you. They just have other ways to obtain most of it.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

So what did you mean with Maltese clip joints? Not casinos or were you referring to something else.

Rest assured that UK casinos have just as much information on you. They just have other ways to obtain most of it.

Of course they do, that's a given. But there's a psychological factor involved- players just don't feel comfortable sending highly private information to a casino based in another country. That's a fact which players have brought up on here numerous times.

When I say clip joint I'm not specifying any casino per se- I'm trying to say that this is the image that will be in people's minds when it comes to trusting a casino based in another country with their private info.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Do you not think people would feel better if their info was being sent to a neutral, trusted 3rd party with no ulterior interests?

Now you start to sound like a greenhorn.

There are no ulterior interests when it comes to AML etc. Those are legal requirements and exactly because they are not clip joints are they doing it by the book.

You can rail all you want, these are laws anf regulations the UK enacted, hence, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Players are free to do a TAB and wait for the process to be completed.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Now you start to sound like a greenhorn.

There are no ulterior interests when it comes to AML etc. Those are legal requirements and exactly because they are not clip joints are they doing it by the book.

You can rail all you want, these are laws anf regulations the UK enacted, hence, you are barking up the wrong tree.

Players are free to do a TAB and wait for the process to be completed.

Why allow a player to keep playing if they're suspected to be a fraud risk?

If they're not considered to be a fraud risk then why the check?

Come on Harry, people can hide behind 'legal technicalities' for pretty much anything in a way that suits their agendas.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

@Harry_BKK I don't want to fall out with you because I know for a fact you are a thoroughly decent guy. We have different perspectives and that happens in life. It's cool.

I'm very player centered and perhaps you are more pragmatic than I am...who knows. I just feel that there are casinos out there using these directives to stall pay outs or using them in a way which makes the customer have to comply (money held with the casino).

I don't think it's too much to expect gameplay to be disabled whilst these checks are happening?

 

[shadow123]

Regs or no regs people are actually sending bank statements and god knows what else to casinos of all places, think about that carefully,its totally crazy.All I can think is that we are addicted and will stop at nothing to get our fix,there is no other explaination for it.


The only reason casinos are doing everything by the book is simple, fear of fines and losing their license,
it has no bearing on their respectability, I dont recall casinos having many RG tools or wanting to know
the customers until they were forced to do it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Regs or no regs people are actually sending bank statements and god knows what else to casinos of all places, think about that carefully,its totally crazy.All I can think is that we are addicted and will stop at nothing to get our fix,there is no other explaination for it.

Please make the effort to read the security requirements a casino needs to have for any documents you send.

Again, these are regulation your government enacted. Hence, your grievances should be directed at them not the casinos.

 

[Harry_BKK]

@Harry_BKK I don't want to fall out with you because I know for a fact you are a thoroughly decent guy. We have different perspectives and that happens in life. It's cool.

I'm very player centered and perhaps you are more pragmatic than I am...who knows. I just feel that there are casinos out there using these directives to stall pay outs or using them in a way which makes the customer have to comply (money held with the casino).

I don't think it's too much to expect gameplay to be disabled whilst these checks are happening?

I get the frustration and doubts. But a player can always tab if it is a problem. The regulations clearly do not ask casinos to restrict gameplay.

Some casinos might employ tactics when it comes to account verification with the aim for the player to reverse but there is no room for tactics when it comes to AML, anti-terror financing etc. These are serious issues.

 

[shadow123]

I am well aware of the requirements, does not change the fact that its crazy to send confidential stuff just so
you can gamble,sorry not having a go at anyone just saying how I see it.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I am well aware of the requirements, does not change the fact that its crazy to send confidential stuff just so
you can gamble,sorry not having a go at anyone just saying how I see it.

Oh yes, I agree. It has turned rather crazy. I deposited millions (not equal with losses) between 1998-2006 before I was asked the first time to verify a casino account. It was an El Dorado, like a gold rush.

Laws and regulations have changed massively since then. Both sides suffer. The player with the annoyance to be asked for everything but a DNA sample and the casinos because they have a huge risk to be heavily fined if they do not do it by the book.

 

[shadow123]

Was fun back then although we didnt realize it at the time, did your nuts and no one cared but you were
a good customer,now you are a risk and bad customer if you do the same thing,,we have one f****d up world