Affiliate income - megabucks or not?

[KasinoKing]

P.S. Can anyone tell me how to take quotes from two or more posts and reply to them in one post????

Yep!
Say you want to quote 3 posts; on the first two hit "MultiQuote" and on the last one just "Quote"

The only reason your second quote didn't come out right is because you must have deleted the / before the ending Quote -

Wow.

WagerWitch, you should be wealthy I think.

I realise it's a blog post, not a SERP, but it's front page on Google for freaking "online casino". I mean, I'm no expert, but this HAS to be worth SERIOUS $ surely!?!

Front page of Google means nothing if no-one is searching for what you have!
Shown below - result #1 from 22,400
I ain't no millionaire!

 

[Webzcas]

I realise it's a blog post, not a SERP, but it's front page on Google for freaking "online casino". I mean, I'm no expert, but this HAS to be worth SERIOUS $ surely!?!

I doubt it gets as much traffic as you would think. Especially as it is listed as a footnote blog link at the bottom. It is nevertheless a good achievement.

Up until recently when google had a minor earthquake of their serps, I ranked #5 for online casinos in google.co.uk. You would think that would bring in truck loads of traffic.

Whilst the traffic was nice, it was nowhere near as good as I would have expected.

Now adwords has opened up for gambling terms, it means it dilutes the clickthrus even further. 70% of all searches do not go past the number one ranked site. With the following 20% of searches sharing their clicks between 2nd and 3rd spot. The remaining 10% is then spread out. Reducing the further down the page you go.

 

[WagerWitch]

I've been telling you guys - I'm naturally good with SEO...

And I've worked really hard at it - AND --- AND --- People I know have helped me all along the way - teaching me things - helping me out... I've known some fabulous peeps who are amazing at what they do and what they know.

But it doesn't matter - I'm NOT drawing NEW players in no matter HOW top rate I am in the search engines.

And it's not just Google for top keywords...

I'm even a lowly PR2 site.

But - nevertheless - I KNOW what is going out to the casinos - HENCE my question: WHY AM I SEEING ZERO DOLLAR RETURN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS?

ZERO FOLKS... NADA - NIP - ZERO.

Yanno?


I'm working from a freebie Blog site - and not paying anything but time... And while time is money - it's still free for me.

Like I've said - I HAVE MADE SOME money...

But lately NOTHING.

So my past questions are valid... Yanno?

ANyhow - thanks JHV for noticing about the Ranking - You ought to try BODOG NO DEPOSIT (yes, I know that Bodog doesn't have no deposit bonuses most of the time... in fact - I don't think I've seen one... LOL) But your newbie casino player does not know that... And I didn't mean to get there - but somehow my posts on Bodog - combined with No deposit posts created a top position (on most days) for that...

Anyhow - I don't really promote them as much and they are PAST posts - but because GOOGLE slurps EVERYthing and EVERY page.... well - they show up on my site because of past posts.

And - lately the casinos have taken to writing a MILLION singular BLOGS (not singular posts - but creating blogs) to up their linkage - BLACKHAT SEO tactic... And Google has taken note... So lately - my blog jumped ahead because it's a legitimate blog on the topics.

Anyhow back to the original intent...

NO - I am NOT making money right now - I have in the past, but not now - and I don't know why.

 

[JHV]

Front page of Google means nothing if no-one is searching for what you have!
Shown below - result #1 from 22,400

Whilst that's actually quite impressive a result in itself (I'm genuinely impressed) - I'm pretty certain it's a very low value search term. I used to be given these reports when I was working for a large casino affiliate site as Editor (to be used for content, etc) of the "value search terms" (I'm sure some affiliates know the reports I'm referring to - the people I was working with were buying ours but I imagine it's possible to get them for free - basically each search term listed in some tangible form of $ worth for the purpose of ranking their value) - and I just can't ever remember seeing "10c roulette" on any of those lists. I could be wrong but I vaguely remember "$5 roulette" or "$5 blackjack" scraping in at some point but this was some time ago.

Not to mention the obvious fact that someone searching 10c roulette is not going to be close (in terms of potential value) to someone searching $5 roulette.

I'm genuinely impressed though - but I can see why 10c roulette isn't making you rich despite being Result 1 of about 22,200 for 10c roulette - I mean, there's eBay auctions on Google front page SERPs for that search term.

But even though WagerWitch's listing was a blog link (now not showing so I don't know what's going on lol), it was smack there above all the "related searches" and anyone going to Page 2 is likely to see it - for like a top 5 or top 10 value search term (at least back when I last looked at one of these "value lists") - Results 1 - 10 of about 37,800,000 for online casino

Caveat: I could be talking gibberish - I'm really not even an amateur in regards to this stuff, let alone an expert. If someone could explain why it's now not showing, please do! I'm hella confused....

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No 5 for "online casinos" google.co.uk is pretty amazing webzcas. I'm am surprised it didn't bring in bucketloads of traffic, you are right there. But at the same time, I understand that 1 is god, top 3 is insane, front page is amazing, etc...

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Every time I look at front page SERPs for high value $ keywords, I get depressed. So few of these sites are getting there via "legitimate" SEO. And, until just now (and I could be displaying my lack of knowledge in embarrassing fashion with the following), I really didn't know what Black Hat was apart from it being considered 'unethical'.

From a bit of reading, it sounds like it's basically just using tricks that Google says are not to be used. If that's correct, um - please don't jump down my throat if this is stupid - what's so bad about that? I say this because the game isn't fair as it is. Google, for whatever reasons, do not have the ability to create a level playing field where quality sites get the top SERPs - how is "black hat" worse than spending millions on targeting link-buys or endless link-swapping, etc? It's all just as bad as the next technique, from what I can see...am I missing something really obvious here?

I mean, in a perfect world, you would have quality sites with quality content on Google front page, but the No 1 SERP for "online casino" - I mean, they're geniuses - their forum has less than 600 posts, in TOTAL. This forum has over 300,000.

When I used to play competitive rugby at uni (I didn't have enough pace to be any good, but we had Australian U/21 rep players in our team, so it was SERIOUS. BUSINESS.), if the referee wasn't policing some aspect of the breakdown correctly, and the other side was smashing you as a result, you'd be a very foolish side not to react accordingly.

Is this analogy a terrible one for the "black hat SEO" issue? Cause to my noob mind, that's how I'm seeing it at the moment. Please correct me if I'm being retarded...

 

[WagerWitch]

TRUST me when I say Blackhat SEO has destroyed the very premise of what GOOGLE tries to be.

You're not wrong - it is a LOT of work to remain on a top position FOR LONGER THAN A DAY.

Check tomorrow and I'll be back up again - and the next day down.

It is a constant jockeying - figuring out what works - what does not and so on.

It's a lot of work.

It used to be fun - until I realized that I don't think GOOGLE matters that much in this industry.

And this is just MY opinion... I get a decent amount of traffic in Google - but not what you would think...

And I watch the trends and I have been top spot on many keywords for long periods of time - and it doesn't bring in the amount of traffic one would think it should.

It is quite a letdown.

I wonder how the BIG business folks who pay for top spot feel?

Advertising and Google are Tricky things.

And I'm not so sure that Google isn't much different in the respect that they are GIANT affiliates for EVERYTHING in the world.

 

[JHV]

NO - I am NOT making money right now - I have in the past, but not now - and I don't know why.

So you got mad SEO skills - but you're not converting the traffic into $....

I'm thinking one or a combination of 3 things:

1. Your casino affiliate departments are screwing you.

2. You're attracting players that don't covert into $ due to incorrect structuring of your affiliate deals? (I don't know if you're using CAP or Rev Share [I think you've referred to the latter a couple times] or hybrids or a combination of all 3 - but if you are using some CPAs, maybe they've been structured too high to qualify your players on first deposit - example: I don't do any CPA stuff but was going to at one point. I had a $250 CPA offer where a qualifying first deposit was $200 and something like 500 raked hands [this is online poker - obv]. I said "Let's make that $50 min deposit and 50 raked hands to qualify" - and he just responded "Ok sure, no problem" - I never ended up using the CPA and I apologise if this is really basic stuff, but it shocked me a little how easily I was able to get him to change the qualifying terms and how huge an impact it would have on revenue).

3. You're attracting players who don't convert well into $ - i.e. people looking purely for free stuff because they simply don't have the money to gamble with. Have you considered using those mad SEO skills to get your stuff up there for searches NOT related to "no deposit"?

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Caveat: Just spit balling ideas, etc. I don't know squat really...

 

[dominique]

Re. testing:

Yes, you can test whether clicks, downloads and initial deposits are recorded properly by sending a friend to play, and I do it when I am suspicious. But it's near impossible to test for what's called "shaving" - i.e. removing players from your account and into the casino's account, removing some deposits from long term players, and all sorts of tinkering with statistics. There are no backend audits in this industry, and you have to operate on blind trust.

And yes, I think shaving is wide spread.

Re. google rankings:

They are nice, yes, they do bring people to look at your site and see your work and effort. But the real reason you get signups is because players found what they wanted when first they came and bookmarked your site. A site with over 50% bookmark traffic is a truly healthy site, and one that has earned trust and provides what people need.

As long as you depend entirely on google for traffic, you are in double jeopardy - google has proven over and over that it is fickle and just when you think you are sitting firmly in your positions you lose them. And you still have to contend with dishonest affiliate programs (shaving) and with breaches of contract.

Being an affiliate is indeed a slippery slope, your world changes from day to day and there are many factors that make it a gamble.

The one thing that you can really trust is players. The only way to create a stable, long term business under such precarious conditions is to put your players first - before programs and before google. Because in the end neither google nor casinos put bread on your table - players do.

Place your trust in players (easy to do if you are one yourself) and your players will trust you too. That is what makes everything tick - then you get word of mouth referrals and that is the best "thank you" you can get for your hard work.

Re. UIGEA -

yes, business is way down since then. But it's still good enough to hang in there.

And the future -

hardly any online business makes it without affiliates, big or small, old or new, land based or not, affiliates are the best promoters of online commerce and online commerce knows it. I trust this will hold true, no matter what casinos enter the market.

 

[WagerWitch]

Also JHV - *LMAO* thanks for your offer - FEEL FREE to play at my links :notworthy

Anyhow Yes - I can explain why links move continuously.

As google bots run through the millions of pages daily - it shifts on what I BELIEVE to be an hourly basis now.

If you post a post to a blog - within 30 minutes it can be showing up - if you have your googlebot - or other spiderbots increased to be able to CRAWL your page that much.

I keep my site open and allow ALL robots - and allow ANYTIME crawl.

What this does is positions me constantly for whatever they crawl and results are IMMEDIATE for me.

However - what this also means is that my positions are NOT static and can be changed rapidly based on other sites jumping in and using this tactic as well...

OR GASP...

Something I DID.

For example: a new post with one too many keywords (regardless how they are used and if they are VALID content or not) can move me far down the line immediately upon crawl because the spider bot docks off points for certain "behavior" - calling it "spam" behavior - whether it is or not.

Or a repetitive type post for the same thing - can also knock me down...

However - some things can knock me back up (dang I sound like someone getting pregnant here)...

I just work with things and sort through things and see where they land me.

Google's algorythyms change continuously... And I think it depends primarily on whatever type of content they are working on at the time. For example - if they happen to be working on Advertising schemes for an Automaker - for some reason - any post with the word "CAR" in it - will bump up to the top - for no apparent reason...

And if they happen to be working on advertising about Chickens that live after getting their heads cut off --- well guess what - any words of "CHICKEN" are going to be culled closer to the top.

I think it may even have to do with their mood. *GRIN*

And yes... there was once a chicken who lived a very long time without his head. GOOGLE IT. LMAO!

Anyhow --- the point of my post is - that you have to watch what works and what doesn't on a daily - if not hourly basis.

Sometimes you'll stay on top - and somedays you will sink.

Google is volatile in that you can jockey positions within minutes.

Other search engines tend to stay more static.

So if you get in on the top with them - it is best to try to stay there - ALTHOUGH - 90% of people use Google.

Truth.

But that still does NOT equal traffic or customers.

And even though I can tell how many of my customers have clicked on to websites - and EVEN the websites themselves tell me how many impressions and or clicks - and downloads - I"M STILL NOT SEEING DEPOSITS BEING MADE in the last couple of months.

 

[WagerWitch]

So you got mad SEO skills - but you're not converting the traffic into $....

Exactly...

Sigh - I ought to think to get into another INDUSTRY completely - ROFLMAO.

I'd be worth something there. LOL!

 

[dominique]

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And even though I can tell how many of my customers have clicked on to websites - and EVEN the websites themselves tell me how many impressions and or clicks - and downloads - I"M STILL NOT SEEING DEPOSITS BEING MADE in the last couple of months.

Firstly, test if the programs you promote actually record the clicks, downloads, signups and deposits accurately. That may well be your issue and if so, weed, weed, weed the bad ones out. Whether you like them or not. Bad accounting is bad accounting.

Secondly, if that doesn't correct the issue, rethink what you are offering to players. Is it what people really want? Is it EVERYTHING they want to know about it? Will they click through from your site, or will they go to another site to get additional info? Do you leave them with questions?

(BTW, as a side comment, some programs will show inflated clicks for certain websites, I have this issue with 3 programs and neither they nor me have figured out what causes it or how to correct it.)

Ask yourself what type person will like your site. Does it appeal to slot players or BJ players? What are the demographics of these players? Male or female, age group? Will they like your colors, layout, graphics?

Lots to think about there, if they are over 40 they need larger print, if they are under 30 they will be more in tune with fashionable colors, and and and....

I haven't looked at your site, these are just thoughts off the top of my head.

Lots of little things can make a big difference...

 

[WagerWitch]

First - Thanks for that very valuable reply D.. It is much appreciated the effort that you put into it.

I'm decent on marketing and demographics, etc. But I do really really appreciate that info. (Every site may not be what the clicker wants - LOL!)

I have counted clicks and have checked impressions against what I have going out.

Going out IMPS and I'd say about 85% of clicks are recorded appropriately with no inflation.

I'm not seeing deposits being made. That is the only difference in the last 3 months.

Now... Knowing that the economy has taken a downturn - I'd like to think YES - this is possible.

BUT - knowing that in the past every 50 downloaders = at least ONE depositor for first deposit - and seeing NO DEPOSITORS lately... Well I am NOT calling the casino aff software liars - but --- seriously 3 months?

And I had some depositors just stop - ALL AT ONCE?

Interesting - possible yes - but interesting all the same.

These are just thoughts I have - doesn't mean that the casinos ARE cheating - I just don't know HOW to check it.

 

[Deeplay]

Really interesting thread - and a good insight to all view points. Im soon to launch my own gaming site which is a first for me. Luckily we wont need to rely on SE traffic as we are going to push traffic from our other sites. No idea if it will work out or not but am really looking forward to getting this going and see where it leads. I think though from all I have read so far money is to be earned without doubt so long as you have the right traffic - and can market a reasonble looking site/portal with honest reviews info etc of the products offered. Our none gaming business is heavily driven by affiliate sales and for sure the guys who sell our product and others in the same market can and do make mega bling. Its all about how much you want to put in - do the work and it will im sure pay.

 

[thelawnet]

I doubt it gets as much traffic as you would think. Especially as it is listed as a footnote blog link at the bottom. It is nevertheless a good achievement.

Up until recently when google had a minor earthquake of their serps, I ranked #5 for online casinos in google.co.uk. You would think that would bring in truck loads of traffic.

Whilst the traffic was nice, it was nowhere near as good as I would have expected.

Now adwords has opened up for gambling terms, it means it dilutes the clickthrus even further. 70% of all searches do not go past the number one ranked site. With the following 20% of searches sharing their clicks between 2nd and 3rd spot. The remaining 10% is then spread out. Reducing the further down the page you go.

I can't be bothered to check, so could somebody tell me what the adwords cost of 'online casino', 'roulette', 'blackjack', would be, to appear somewhere near the top ? (Here in the UK, William Hill and Ladbrokes are near the top, I suspect that's a combination of top dollar payments AND a good clickthrough from their brand recognition, so you can't simply pay $$$ to get to the top)

 

[WagerWitch]

I can't be bothered to check, so could somebody tell me what the adwords cost of 'online casino', 'roulette', 'blackjack', would be, to appear somewhere near the top ? (Here in the UK, William Hill and Ladbrokes are near the top, I suspect that's a combination of top dollar payments AND a good clickthrough from their brand recognition, so you can't simply pay $$$ to get to the top)

I can tell you to be in the top 10 of ANY keyword in Google that is related to Gambling does not TAKE dollars - it takes PERSISTENCE - Groups of people working - link connection - back links, permalinks, do follow, no follow - it takes creating your HTML to be read by Googlebots properly.

It takes time and massive efforts.

You cannot PAY to get to the top in Google any longer - FEATURED LINKS are the pay sites --- AND --- to get to the top --- You might have to PAY people to work for you --- or pay people to link you....

It's pretty mafia oriented.

LOL - ok - not mafia - but blackhat seo tricks are bad - because they require beating out other people by stealing their tricks and inflating links that do not exist - but that you created.

I could go out and make 10000 blogs that pointed back to WagerWitch - but I don't because that would be WRONG.

It isn't real...

But you cant pay Google for top placement.

And Google kinda "technically" frowns on Online Casinos - at least USA.

WW


PS - I twittered this Thread out --- We might get some response - I would really like to see folks talking about all of this stuff - if you don't mind.

Thank you for this thread in the first place - it has really given some interesting conversation.

I''m of the belief that the affiliates need to stand together and create a WHOLE... Because separately we're going to fail.

Like D said - WE ARE STRONG together.

 

[thelawnet]

I can tell you to be in the top 10 of ANY keyword in Google that is related to Gambling does not TAKE dollars - it takes PERSISTENCE - Groups of people working - link connection - back links, permalinks, do follow, no follow - it takes creating your HTML to be read by Googlebots properly.

It takes time and massive efforts.

You cannot PAY to get to the top in Google any longer - FEATURED LINKS are the pay sites --- AND --- to get to the top --- You might have to PAY people to work for you --- or pay people to link you....

I'm talking about the paysites - adwords.

People are willing to pay up to $100 per click for certain key words.

I just checked adwords for 'online casino' and 'online blackjack' and it said 0.37-0.55 for online blackjack and 0.44-0.66 for online casino. Which seems relatively cheap.

 

[lots0]

I'm talking about the paysites - adwords.

People are willing to pay up to $100 per click for certain key words.

I just checked adwords for 'online casino' and 'online blackjack' and it said 0.37-0.55 for online blackjack and 0.44-0.66 for online casino. Which seems relatively cheap.

They are cheap because those keywords don't convert.

 

[thelawnet]

They are cheap because those keywords don't convert.

So what does? What are people paying $$$ for?

 

[lots0]

So what does? What are people paying $$$ for?

You really expect me to answer that...

I have spent years of effort and tons of money figuring out what keywords convert.

If I publish those keywords in a public forum, I might as well just give away my business...

Just the fact I let out that those particular keywords you mentioned earlier don't convert.. will probably end up costing me money.

At one time I was foolish and told someone in an open forum that I ranked in the top three on the first page for [insert big money keyword], it took the competition less than a month before they pushed me down to page 15 in google for that keyword... It has taken me 8 months+ to climb back to the bottom of page 2 for that keyword. This little screw up cost me tens of thousands of dollars.

This is a cut throat business... and as has been mentioned many many times this business attracts some of the worst of the worst. People who have no qualms in stealing ideas, keywords, code, text, images or whatever else they think will make them a few bucks...

There are many people in this business that will act like your best buddy to your face while they attack your site and steal your stuff. Hence all the mistrust between the affs. The site listed in my profile has been under attack for longer than I care to think about. The only positive thing is that because of all these constant attacks I have learned to protect all my sites, gambling and non-gambling, from most attacks by black hat SEO and hackers.

 

[thelawnet]

You really expect me to answer that...

I have spent years of effort and tons of money figuring out what keywords convert.

If I publish those keywords in a public forum, I might as well just give away my business...

Actually I was asking about the keywords that have high CPC, something which you can check in a few minutes with an adwords account.

Some high CPC keywords are very unprofitable because they are too competitive. If you are paying $100 CPC and have 5% conversion, then you need to be making well over $2000 for example.

It's not necessarily the case that a high CPC is a good thing to buy, in a sense that the value of that kind of customer acquisition will tend towards zero, because people will bid up CPCs to such an extent that there's no profit left. The only way around that is improving conversion rates on your site, increasing the vale of a conversion, or driving traffic through other means.

I've always thought that sites built for advertising (be it adsense, casino, whatever) are a thankless task, because it's easy to replicate.

Also I would be interested to see how gambling-related traffic breaks down. There are relatively few sites that seem much use, obviously things like wizardofodds, casinocity, this site, the various bonus-hunting sites, and a few others. But so much appears to be essentially parasitical, it reminds me of the monthly gambling magazine I receive courtesy of some casino (sorry, don't remember the magazine's name), that purports to compare two casinos and gives them star ratings for payout and the like - it's really just BS, a facade for promoting casinos to players.

I guess this is a function of what I mentioned in my OP - the ability to (possibly) make hundreds or thousands of dollars from a single player signing up is a strong incentive to generate content of little value in an attempt to cash in. So as a result we not only get the wizardofodds-type stuff that you'd expect to find online about anything maths-related (not limited to gambling), but also the junk that exists purely because there's a $ to be made.

There are some good sites made for the purpose of cashing in, the difference with the successful ones is time, effort and talent I guess. A site like gonegambling is designed purely to get players to signup and play (compare with wizardofodds - most people reading there will just read and leave - but then WoO has much more traffic), but is a good site because there is added value in the form of games and such like. This means investment of time/$$$/ideas. Others like reviewed-casinos (and in many ways casinomeister) have the advantage of being around a long time.

What it comes to is IMO you need novel content. I guess if you do enough black hat SEO you can make money out of crap as well, but that seems hard enough that you might as well do it the right way.

 

[love2winalot]

Hiya: OK I have a question. Do any of you use other means to get traffic to your site, besides everyone trying to be listed in the top 5 of Google? Like doing some stuff the old fashion way, add in newspaper, flyers, add in gambling magazine, sticker on your car, and so on?

 

[WagerWitch]

You really expect me to answer that...

I have spent years of effort and tons of money figuring out what keywords convert.

If I publish those keywords in a public forum, I might as well just give away my business...

Just the fact I let out that those particular keywords you mentioned earlier don't convert.. will probably end up costing me money.

At one time I was foolish and told someone in an open forum that I ranked in the top three on the first page for [insert big money keyword], it took the competition less than a month before they pushed me down to page 15 in google for that keyword... It has taken me 8 months+ to climb back to the bottom of page 2 for that keyword. This little screw up cost me tens of thousands of dollars.

This is a cut throat business... and as has been mentioned many many times this business attracts some of the worst of the worst. People who have no qualms in stealing ideas, keywords, code, text, images or whatever else they think will make them a few bucks...

There are many people in this business that will act like your best buddy to your face while they attack your site and steal your stuff. Hence all the mistrust between the affs. The site listed in my profile has been under attack for longer than I care to think about. The only positive thing is that because of all these constant attacks I have learned to protect all my sites, gambling and non-gambling, from most attacks by black hat SEO and hackers.

:notworthy

Uhm - no doubt.

However - if you want to send me those words via PM - I'll outrank you in 1 week... LMAO - ok not really - but I would try to get more conversions using those words.

Cause right now - I could REALLY use those conversions... LOL!

But seriously - I would think it would be a nice world to work together in... I wish people weren't so cut throat in this business. It makes me sad that it is so - but I have witnessed it time and time again.

 

[lots0]

Actually I was asking about the keywords that have high CPC, something which you can check in a few minutes with an adwords account.

If you can check it so easy your self, why bother to ask? (Rhetorical question)

FYI - I don't use adwords... IMHO adwords is for people that can't figure out how the system works. (Besides imo Brin and Page have more than enough money)

My take on Internet Marketing:

It does not matter how 'good' or unique your content is, if no one sees it. So you need good ranking in the search engines to bring in the eyeballs.

However...

If your content is 'crap' or spam then it won't matter how many eyeballs see it, cuz no one is going to convert/buy/sign up/download or whatever you want your visitors to do.

If you want to make money with Internet Marketing , you need it all, eyeballs and 'good' content.
Lots and lots of eyeballs and content that people like and use.
There is no substitute imo.

 

[mojo]

Hiya: OK I have a question. Do any of you use other means to get traffic to your site, besides everyone trying to be listed in the top 5 of Google? Like doing some stuff the old fashion way, add in newspaper, flyers, add in gambling magazine, sticker on your car, and so on?

I don't do any off-line ads yet but will after the UIEGA settles down. I think others outside the usa have done well with the old fashioned way though. I would like to do that eventually. It would be fascinating for me and something I would enjoy.

Meanwhile, it's best not to follow the crowd and seek the #1 'online gambling' spot on google. I leave that to the big dawgs and don't bother spending my energy competing. What I do is find my little niche and work with that.

 

[mac-online]

I work 10 hours a day and my head starts to hurt at the end of it. I had to stop for a week to let it all rest. I feel good now and am trying to relax at the work station. A calm attitude keeps me a bit cooler. But I think faster than when I first stared. My cognitive capacity has increased. It is good for me I think. I had to get used to the long hours sitting in the same position. It was my back at first. That went away. Then it was a muscle in my neck. That is almost gone. I wouldn't have though that this job was hard on your body. But it is. Long walks are good. I do a two hour every day. Optimism is KING. Two days ago I had my first deposit and I have been with more energy ever since. I opened my site 3 months ago, from a dead start. Now I have a steady 15 unique visitors per day. But I am concerned about the affiliate program. How can you trust them. I am going to start a new site and get into promoting a casino that is in the family. I should have done that from the start.

But the first site taught me a LOT.

There are a lot of interesting variables you need to cover. It is a dynamic challenge.

Good luck to anyone who will start a site. If you have done well at another type of work. Those same qualities should carry you through being a good Web master. This industry needs more good people, that can still wear the white hat once things get good. I find that to be a problem as much as not making it. Success is a drug,,, very addicting.

 

[thelawnet]

If you can check it so easy your self, why bother to ask? (Rhetorical question)

That's not what I said.

It's easy to check if you have an adwords account. I don't.

FYI - I don't use adwords... IMHO adwords is for people that can't figure out how the system works. (Besides imo Brin and Page have more than enough money)

So why are you being so cloak-and-dagger about Adwords CPCs?