Slow Pay About the Rushmore Group warning

Chat with Support moments ago....

Was informed they are running 3 weeks behind their "normal" withdrawal time on wires of 10-15 days. (it was never 10-15 days before this touble began).

So that means they are taking approx. 5-6 weeks supposedly.

Couldn't even tell me if they had started sending wires from December withdrawals. That is a management problem. There is no reason for management not to be kept informed of the date of withdrawals that are being wired to their players.

Last time I ever deposit one penny at this group and suspect most other players won't deposit again. So they are down the tubes if they don't make this right and fast.
 
I played the free tournament ... no deposit. I won $ 45.


After that I continued to play and win. 2 days ago I have made a Withdrawal of $ 800.


Since I've been paid nothing, I can wait no problem. But am curious if I get the money and when ...

In the live chat yesterday, I was told it may take 1-2 weeks to Skrill .. ???????????????


But well I'm waiting .............. will report here when something happens
 
I'm curious if anyone who has deposited by web wallet recently has had problems withdrawing?

I'm still waiting on withdrawals from October where the deposit orginated from CC but I was paid out to MB in the normal timeframe for a November MB deposit.

I have requested they pay my October deposits to MB if they truly are having processing issues, but they are refusing quoting their T&C's that they can only process withdrawals to web wallets if that was the deposit method.

At some point they have to look at long term damage and pay by any means neccesary.

The casino is waiting for fresh funds to be deposited by other players into each ewallet before they pay the players already waiting.

It means the casino is either under-funded, very badly managed, in serious trouble, or all three.

Anyone depositing now is doing it with their eyes wide open. Don't say you were not warned.
 
I played the free tournament ... no deposit. I won $ 45.


After that I continued to play and win. 2 days ago I have made a Withdrawal of $ 800.


Since I've been paid nothing, I can wait no problem. But am curious if I get the money and when ...

In the live chat yesterday, I was told it may take 1-2 weeks to Skrill .. ???????????????


But well I'm waiting .............. will report here when something happens




I am surprised as I have just seen this ..



I asked for my Withdrawal in live chat which i have made for 3 Days at Rushmore.


She says she asked the Finance Department and write me a Mail. Ok a hour later i have no Mail from Rushmore, but i have get my Money into my Skrill Account !! The full Amount of $800

I've already been waiting weeks for a payment by bank transfer ..
as a rouge casino, I can not see it. The simple but probably have problems with the wire transfer.




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1. From the Cashier you can see i have Won on the Free $10k Tournament $45 and with this i played Slots and Videopoker and won the $800


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2. Today the Mail from Skrill



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They do pay, even though there are some problems there.

It shows that they already want but maybe can not even ..
 
Timeframe

Well that's certainly interesting that they were able to pay very quickly directly via Moneybookers. Its too bad U.S. Players don't have a nice easy option like that.

Anyways, I still have a few withdrawals approved that may eventually get to me via Wire Transfer. Just wanted to update the timeframe as it stands right now:

Withdrawal approved on 11/24/11 and still has not reached my bank as of 12/29/11. So I'm into the 5th week right now.

I will update if I hear or see anything on the positive. :)
 
Great!!! So why don't they pay me to my MB?

Funny....i have offered to deposit with my MB account so that they could pay me to my MB but instead they refuse and i'm waiting nearly 2 months for my first withdrawal. After that i have another 19 to be sent so i don't understand why Rushmore wouldn't want to go MB. There has to be a real problem!!!!

I have not played there and have made it clear to them that i will not deposit until they pay me, and players should be aware!!!!
 
Funny....i have offered to deposit with my MB account so that they could pay me to my MB but instead they refuse and i'm waiting nearly 2 months for my first withdrawal. After that i have another 19 to be sent so i don't understand why Rushmore wouldn't want to go MB. There has to be a real problem!!!!

I have not played there and have made it clear to them that i will not deposit until they pay me, and players should be aware!!!!


It could be the amount they would have to pay you via MB. Having conceded the point, they could no longer use their current excuse. Payment of your first couple of withdrawals followed by a stall will be the "smoking gun" evidence of a cashflow problem they don't want to have to admit, else they would have to claim a sudden "technical issue" with making payment via MB, which would be easy to disprove by asking Moneybookers.


I know what is REALLY going on when casinos can't pay via ewallet due to a complaint I once brought to eCogra regarding the persistent "denied" I kept getting reflected on my Neteller statement when an accredited casino tried paying my withdrawals. Over 9 months the casino would admit nothing, and Neteller refused to comment other than to state "we never deny such a transaction, it's the merchant". I didn't believe either, since it would mean that the casino paid me, then immediately blocked the transaction (or even reversed it). eCogra finally revealed to me what was REALLY going on. It turned out BOTH parties were lying. The transaction failed simply because the casino's merchant account was underfunded at the time the transaction was posted, so it was shown as "denied" by Neteller. Neteller HAD denied the transaction because they do not offer credit to merchants. The casino lied because they said there was no problem their end, and it had to be Neteller.

What I believe happens now is that when operators know their merchant accounts are underfunded, and they can't fund them, they simply stall with BS excuses in order to buy time. There are two ways to fund a merchant account. One (the cheapest) is to simply wait until new deposits via the same method build up enough to cover the queued withdrawals. The other is to transfer money from their company bank account to the merchant account in shortfall. This costs them in fees, and is not instant (takes a couple of days). It can also lead to another payment method becoming short of funds, requiring a further juggling of funds and further fees.
This approach assumes they have some spare money unallocated to player withdrawals through specific methods, if not, they are simply moving the problem around.


Neteller and Moneybookers will not tell a player whether this is a case when a payment fails to arrive, citing "data protection" as a reason they cannot say whether the merchant account can cover the withdrawal.

At the time, eCogra asked Neteller to contact me and explain their side, but Neteller refused eCogra's request, and I was never contacted, so I only have the story from eCogra. The casino did at least admit this was a true representation of what had been happening for 9 months, and in doing so implied they had never really "investigated" a damn thing, but had simply tried to fix each occurrance as I complained about it. They also had to admit that no-one was tasked with verifying that withdrawals had been paid to players successfully, as the failure/success codes HAD been sent back to them by Neteller, but nobody had ever looked at them assuming that once requested, payments were always successful.

With this in mind, it is likely that smaller withdrawals will be paid ahead of larger ones, and that more flexibilty will be used to clear them out of the queue to minimise the number of players reporting delays.

Glumbi had only $800, and this was a small enough amount that it could be paid quickly, and possibly jump the queue over yours.

For a couple of years Rushmore have resorted to this juggling and stalling tactic, and trotting out the worn excuse of "processor problems" even when the US market is not involved. It may work with US players who accept that it is tricky paying them, but it just doesn't wash when it comes to paying a non-US player through an eWallet. If the money is there in the merchant account, and the eWallet is up and running, transfer is instant once the request is received from the merchant's side.

Although they have juggled for a couple of years, they may one day drop all the balls, and leave some players unpaid.
 
I do agree , but i do not consider 940 dollars that much bigger than 800, do you? Sure 2000 per week is much harder to pay but i see that if a casino is planning on closing it's doors why let people win such large amounts? surely they can opt not to offer RJ.s , tourneys etc., offer bonuses, you name it. I'm also sure that over the years this group has earned millions so whatever their reasons for not paying on time , poor management is certainly obvious and i'm sure that the road they are on will for certain lead to their failure . I'm not under the illusion that i will get paid , hope i'm proven wrong!!!
 
Withdrawals/Rushmore

Had a great conversation with a Vip manager from Rushmore and they are aware of players being upset over the waiting period of payments but he did assure me that everyone will be paid!!!!!

Better late than never , and maybe if we work with them instead of against them we will all get paid!!! I' m too sick to get stressed over a few weeks!!!!!

Happy New Year ALL!!!!
 
Had a great conversation with a Vip manager from Rushmore and they are aware of players being upset over the waiting period of payments but he did assure me that everyone will be paid!!!!!

Better late than never , and maybe if we work with them instead of against them we will all get paid!!! I' m too sick to get stressed over a few weeks!!!!!

Happy New Year ALL!!!!

Are you serious?

We should all work "with them" instead of "against them"???? Oh pahleez.

I'm not sure what this rep told you, but you might want to check for dampness in your pocket as I think he may have p*ssed in them.

We've heard all this crap before about "everyone will be paid" and the only reason they say it is to keep players such as yourself from contacting them for a while. If they really wanted to pay you, they would have done so months ago.

What scares me even more is that you actually sound like you think we're all being harsh on them. You might think waiting months is fine, but you're in a very small minority.

The "better late than never" attitude you have is the exact reason why casinos like this delay in the first place.....because they know you'll be so happy when the cash arrives you'll rush back to play there again.

IMO its time for Rushmore group to be rogued. Even worse is that some players are being paid in front of others. Disgraceful.
 
I thought Rushmore group was one of the biggest out there and had deep pockets. The reason I closed my accounts were because it just felt like after I won there, for a pretty good sum, the switch got thrown. I deposited good amounts in 3 of their casinos and every time it felt like the take down mode was in effect, no bonus rounds, just straight spinning of many, many blanks. I emailed them and asked them to close all my accounts, which they did.

I figured I'd just give them a good long break, then eventually, reopen the accounts. As a VIP I would get 200% deposit bonuses on weekends, which was the best thing out there for me at the time. The rollover was only 20x, which made it pretty competitive for me. What really got me, probably the straw that broke the camel's back, was a certain VIP Manager named Michael Baxter.

I had no idea until recently that this place had been down rated to rogue or near rogue status. Glad I got the hell out of there when I did.
 
Had a great conversation with a Vip manager from Rushmore and they are aware of players being upset over the waiting period of payments but he did assure me that everyone will be paid!!!!!

Better late than never , and maybe if we work with them instead of against them we will all get paid!!! I' m too sick to get stressed over a few weeks!!!!!

Happy New Year ALL!!!!

Their conversations and emails are GREAT. Sound very sincere, but its all talk and no action. Very upsetting and disappointing for me.

They don't owe me any money, but its a huge fall from grace. I don't know what they can do NOW, if anything to recover.

Don't be smoothed over by some talker, stay on top of it regularly until you hopefully get your money. I believe the old adage about the squeaky wheel is very true with Rushmore right now.

Diane
 
Had a great conversation with a Vip manager from Rushmore and they are aware of players being upset over the waiting period of payments but he did assure me that everyone will be paid!!!!!

Better late than never , and maybe if we work with them instead of against them we will all get paid!!! I' m too sick to get stressed over a few weeks!!!!!

Happy New Year ALL!!!!

"Don't believe everything your told or hear or something" a wise man once said.

The V.I.P manager is paid to tell you this hog wash and it seems to be working on you. You're not the 1st person to be told this and you wont be the last.

Rushmore is having some serious issues lately and it really is sad how they have gone from being one of the top groups to play at, to almost another Virtual group.. in fact at this rate you would be paid faster at Virtual (DO NOT PLAY THERE)

I have to also agree with the sediments above about players jumping the cue for cash outs. This has to be showing a lack of funds from Rushmore who are only selecting the players with the smaller cash outs they can cover at the time.
 
Louise is still linked as the Casino Rep for the Rushmore casinos on the RTG list, that should probably be changed...?

Unfortunately it's not that simple. Last I heard Louise's responsibilities had been passed to someone else within the organization and they were using Louise's account, among other reasons since it was the known point of contact. The fact that they seem to be unavailable a lot of the time is another issue.
 
WARNED!!!!

OK!!! OK!!!! I think i phrased all that wrong!! I meant to say i finally spoke to a VIP manager but i never said i believed what was said. Surely i'm not that stupid , it's clear they are having BIG issues . The only option a player has is to bitch and bitch which eventually gets OLD and since we can't physically walk into their offices and demand payment ,what exactly is there that we can do? Any bright ideas? Communication , correct?

This whole winning experience has completely turned me off any online gaming, being at Rushmore or any other casino, thus since i have not and will not spend 1 dollar!!!!!!
 
OK!!! OK!!!! I think i phrased all that wrong!! I meant to say i finally spoke to a VIP manager but i never said i believed what was said. Surely i'm not that stupid , it's clear they are having BIG issues . The only option a player has is to bitch and bitch which eventually gets OLD and since we can't physically walk into their offices and demand payment ,what exactly is there that we can do? Any bright ideas? Communication , correct?

This whole winning experience has completely turned me off any online gaming, being at Rushmore or any other casino, thus since i have not and will not spend 1 dollar!!!!!!

In regards to your comment about being done with online gaming............don't totally turn it off unless you no longer enjoy it. There are still plenty of places to play where you can get paid in a timely manner, but it is an every changing landscape. You just need to be wary, cautious and alert about monitoring warnings and experiences of other CM members.

If you still like online casinos, don't let Rushmore bad experience totally color your thoughts about it in general. You have other safer options on the Accredited List here.

Diane
 
WELL....

Thank you for your comment Diane!! But it is very hard to believe anything after this experience. I obviously found Rushmore thru some link on some site, God only knows which 1 and you would think that casinos accepting money would at least have some sort of WATCHDOG or some set of regulations they must abide BY, otherwise we could all open online fraudulent places and make a living out of it. Surely there's plenty of crap out there but in the middle of what i have seen so far IT"S A BIG BUSINESS for everyone attached to online gaming. I got the impression that from my previous comment that people must think i'm some stupid player or naive but let me assure you i'm not either.Of course i want my winnings NOW , of course i;m pissed off!!!!!

In my Ownership of thoroughbred racehorses i'm fully aware how GAMBLING works. I have earned most of my money Owning them and betting them !!! Racing opens your eyes very wide........

So, Yeah , Rushmore has turned me off because it would be far more decent of them to admit they have a cash problem and are unable to PAY ( on time?) !! but also by admitting that ,they are defrauding players , and that assumption opens doors to a different set of issues.True they may be lying to me but I chose to communicate with them until i see fit , and I'm very grateful to this site for it has been a great eye-opener!!!!
 
Thank you for your comment Diane!! But it is very hard to believe anything after this experience. I obviously found Rushmore thru some link on some site, God only knows which 1 and you would think that casinos accepting money would at least have some sort of WATCHDOG or some set of regulations they must abide BY, otherwise we could all open online fraudulent places and make a living out of it. Surely there's plenty of crap out there but in the middle of what i have seen so far IT"S A BIG BUSINESS for everyone attached to online gaming. I got the impression that from my previous comment that people must think i'm some stupid player or naive but let me assure you i'm not either.Of course i want my winnings NOW , of course i;m pissed off!!!!!

In my Ownership of thoroughbred racehorses i'm fully aware how GAMBLING works. I have earned most of my money Owning them and betting them !!! Racing opens your eyes very wide........

So, Yeah , Rushmore has turned me off because it would be far more decent of them to admit they have a cash problem and are unable to PAY ( on time?) !! but also by admitting that ,they are defrauding players , and that assumption opens doors to a different set of issues.True they may be lying to me but I chose to communicate with them until i see fit , and I'm very grateful to this site for it has been a great eye-opener!!!!

You are welcome. There is a ton of very useful information here at CM.

FWIW, as a sampling here are some sites I play at each week (so it's current data) that have demonstrated a professional approach to paying players. Obviously "your mileage" may vary -but I don't worry about getting paid from any of these. Does it take longer than it used to? Of course, but it is not a worry about getting funds in a reasonable timeframe.

Also keep an eye on member posts here on a regular basis -- even the BEST casinos can go bad in a hurry. But our members do a great job of pro-actively warning their online friends of problems as do Bryan/Max/Simmo.


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Hi all.

I have been paid as well one of my withdrawals that should have been in my balance 9/12.

Regards

L'arsenne
 
Can someone let others know that RUSHMORE has paid me my first withdrawal!!
:)

Congratulations! However, other players should note that one swallow does not a summer make. There is no guarantee whatsoever that other players will be paid in the same manner so players are advised to exercise caution when deciding on whether to deposit. They have been doing this umpteen times ie paying a small portion of players, these players post of themselves being paid and seemingly everything is rosy on the financial front and then wham, persistent delays using the 'processor' excuse. Dont fall for it mates.
 
What I ment

Congratulations! However, other players should note that one swallow does not a summer make. There is no guarantee whatsoever that other players will be paid in the same manner so players are advised to exercise caution when deciding on whether to deposit. They have been doing this umpteen times ie paying a small portion of players, these players post of themselves being paid and seemingly everything is rosy on the financial front and then wham, persistent delays using the 'processor' excuse. Dont fall for it mates.

Chuchu59.

Just a to clarify. Why I post this is just that there is hope to get paid. I have another withdrawal 3 times as much than
the one I have got, so the danger is not over yet, and I will not deposit at Rushmore until they pay in a timely manner,
and I do not encourage anyone to do so either.

L'arsenne
 
Chuchu59.

Just a to clarify. Why I post this is just that there is hope to get paid. I have another withdrawal 3 times as much than
the one I have got, so the danger is not over yet, and I will not deposit at Rushmore until they pay in a timely manner,
and I do not encourage anyone to do so either.

L'arsenne

I understand. However I dont want this group to take advantage of players' goodwill (in posting they got paid) and thus induce others to deposit. This has occurred too many times for comfort.
 

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