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[gloria460]

Carry on

 

[LaurieJim]

3 Dice is prolly the most frustrating to me of all the casinos i have played at thus far, , i love them one week, hate them (not the staff) the next week.Its the customer service at 3 Dice that makes that casino , its not Enzo, its the girls like Anna and Karen, Ellen and Andrea and sometimes they throw a guy in that keeps me and others coming back.

Im not into the tourney or big on the chat thing but folks seem to have fun with it and i guess thats a plus for some.

I would like to see 3 Dice or when im pissed at them aka "slice and dice "get some newer games to keep up with the other software platforms that come out with new ones all the time, id like to see something with expanding features like Rival and MG..............But thats only wishing ((SIGH)))......................laurie

 

[RobWin]

3 Dice is prolly the most frustrating to me of all the casinos i have played at thus far, , i love them one week, hate them (not the staff) the next week.Its the customer service at 3 Dice that makes that casino , its not Enzo, its the girls like Anna and Karen, Ellen and Andrea and sometimes they throw a guy in that keeps me and others coming back.

Im not into the tourney or big on the chat thing but folks seem to have fun with it and i guess thats a plus for some.

I would like to see 3 Dice or when im pissed at them aka "slice and dice "get some newer games to keep up with the other software platforms that come out with new ones all the time, id like to see something with expanding features like Rival and MG..............But thats only wishing ((SIGH)))......................laurie

I totally agree with you Laurie, I've won big there about twice in the last two years. Most of the time my wins are only enough to add some additional playtime to my bankroll. Nothing that I would really consider as a big win to cash out on though.

For the low roller that does cash out small amounts then this is a good casino for you IMO. But if you are looking for that huge win on small bet amounts that you see posted in the WSS's Thread from the other casino platforms then don't hold your breath, it most likely will never come!

I just posted a screenshot in there the other day from a Vegas Tech Casino (Caribbean Gold Casino) where I was low rolling at 0.30 cents per spin on a very, very high variance slot machine and won a $972.00 jackpot (3240X my bet size). This is the way high variance is supposed to work. I've never even came close to winning something that large at 3Dice on the same size bet as that one in the two years that I have been playing there.

Why is that when I have played 500,000 to 1 spins at 3Dice verses Vegas Tech Casinos? Really makes one wonder, at least it does me...
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[silcnlayc]

0.30 cents per spin on a very, very high variance slot machine and won a $972.00 jackpot (3240X my bet size). This is the way high variance is supposed to work. I've never even came close to winning something that large at 3Dice on the same size bet

I agree about how the high variance (ugh, hate that word) games and the way they SHOULD pay when hit..

I hit a once in a lifetimne dream hit yesterday...the 5 keys and was betting fairly decent bets (over $1) and when I saw those keys line up, the blood started pumping, heart pounding and the exhilaration was so immense.....I just knew the SAID hit that EVERYONE always talks about was about to happen and I was so wrong......NOT!! All I could think of was, I hate to be proven right at MY own expense..I should have never gotten that excited over something I knew wouldn't happen, but maybe, just maybe.....ahhh well......what a load of BS these people that run these casinos feed us, always claiming high variance this and that and when you hit...you will HIT...

Yea right...as I said in the WSS, the cannon ball plopped right down on the first cannon...PPPfffTfFF..I say it again! Now feed me more of that VARIANCE BS...

I hit more on an average $1 slot at Paradise 8 which is NOT high variance...than I did on the mega hit here..and 5 keys is a mega hit in my opinion that turned out to be a mega bomb...

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[RobWin]

always claiming high variance this and that and when you hit...you will HIT...

I say it again! Now feed me more of that VARIANCE BS...

Yep, I want to see a screenshot of a 3240X bet size win from a 0.25 cent or a 0.30 cent bet at 3Dice from one of the so called "High Variance" slot machines...anybody got one of those to show me please?
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[skiny]

5 keys and first cannon? What a disappointment.

I play this game low rolling once in a while if I have lots of money only because I've ran though the other games. This is the game I hit 600 dollars on with a 60 cent spin but this is also the game that I watch hit zeros 45 out of 50 spins and the other 5 pay less than 2 bucks. That's why I call it the Medieval Moneypit.

 

[LaHutti]

I agree, that it sucks big time, when that happens silc (And ofcourse it had to happen to you, of all people I'm sure Enzo is thrilled about that ...lol).
Moolah is a weird game like that....one of the few games, where in most cases the bonus round is not what you want to go for. What you want in Moolah, is suns, and lots of them, and you can get some crazy line wins, when that happens...on the other hand, if it doesn't happen, it'll suck you drier than a woodden tit ..
I've seen line wins in the X800 range a few times myself, and what's the most you can win in a bonus round ?...If I remember correctly it's 3500 or some such thing at max bet, where 4 suns and the highest symbol will give you 27.000 at max bet (9X1250X24 or bet X 3000 !).
When you look at the payout of a slot, you have to look at all possible win combinations, and how often they happen. I don't think I've ever seen a screenshot of a monster hit from a bon(g?)us round on that thing, but I've seen quite a few very nice line wins...as in X near 1000. (I know it's not Near Rob's X3240, but then again, how often does that happen, compared to Moolah's X near 1000 wins ?...plus you CAN get a win X3000, just not in the bogus round )
So look for suns, and put the bonus rounds where the sun doesn't shine ......

 

[missmichelle]

Boy am I ever sorry I started this thread. Very few people took the time to actually respond to my question. I was in no way bashing 3dice, just feeling like a stranger in a strange land. I am not very familiar with most of the games. I was feeling no different than I have felt at all the new places I have played.

I understand gambling, have done it most of my life. I know the losing streaks all to well but the thing that keeps me going is the winning streaks. Enzo bashing is not what I consider a form of recreation. I think the man has alot of guts to keep coming back and dealing with the same complaints over and over again.

I do know when I feel I am not being given a fair shake, I just move on. No use in kicking a dead horse, your not going to get your money back anyway.

Good luck to everyone, wherever you choose to play!

Michelle

 

[SlotKing]

Can any of you regular players give me some hints on which games to play. My deposits of 100.00 are gone in minutes. I very seldom get above my starting balance. I like the games because they are so different, but I would like to last more than 5 minutes. Getting frustrated and ready to give up.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Michelle

Hi Michelle...

In an actual response to your question, my suggestion is Payola. It is a rather well-designed game that (IMO) provides ample playtime on lower and higher bets - even though some others would tend to disagree.

I have had numerous wins on this game (line wins aplenty, along with an unbelievable few feature hits ($7,923 on 704 FS was the biggest yet), and gamble seems to be very forgiving as well

Rock on and good luck to whatever you choose to play

Kris

 

[LonelyHearts]

Yep, I want to see a screenshot of a 3240X bet size win from a 0.25 cent or a 0.30 cent bet at 3Dice from one of the so called "High Variance" slot machines...anybody got one of those to show me please?
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[zap987]

Since you asked, about 3731x bet on a $0.25 bet some time ago.

 

[silcnlayc]

Enzo bashing is not what I consider a form of recreation

No one is bashing Enzo..he is a very nice person just as 3Dice staff are.

You asked what games to play...well, we are showing how most of these games play...it is called a build up by the casinos (not just 3Dice but anyone touting "high variance games") and then the disappointement when all in all...no such thing has happened to any of us playing normal stakes that I can remember...Rob had a classic example...if you are going to hit, and they claim this variance crap...then PROVE it, whereas, those claiming these high varaince claims have only disappointed..

So choose your games well, and you casinos...play at those that suit your style..because IMO $100 should last more than a few minutes at any casino...but it doesn't anymore at many of them!
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[RobWin]

Since you asked, about 3731x bet on a $0.25 bet some time ago.

I fail to see it my friend, what I do see is a fairly nice win though on a multiple of spins. I believe at least 20 to be exact...correct? I want to see a similar "High Variance" single spin hit/win there at 3Dice that is similar to mine that I posted above from (1) spin...not (20) spins. My 3240X win came from a single spin of a 0.30 cent bet.

Surely one of you frequent 3Dicer's have one of these screenshots to show me after you have played there for a couple of years or more now...don't you?

I ask again, can someone please show me one of those on one of these high variance machines at 3Dice?

I'll be patiently waiting..
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[RobWin]

Can any of you regular players give me some hints on which games to play. My deposits of 100.00 are gone in minutes. I very seldom get above my starting balance.
Thanks for any suggestions,

Michelle

Hi missmichelle,

When wondering what games to play, make sure you check out the 3Dice zeitgeist (Old / Expired Link). You can get a lot of info there, from popularity over recent wins etc .. if you open up your fav game, you can also see what more is popular for players that like that game.

Cheers,

Enzo

Boy am I ever sorry I started this thread. Very few people took the time to actually respond to my question. Michelle

In all fairness missmichelle, Enzo himself cannot even point to any specific game or games for you to play that will make your deposit(s) last longer as you can see in his first response post above.

I used to think that the video poker games there at 3dice were fairly low variance games to play but I no longer even think that now as my experience with them of late have not been any better than just playing one of the so called high variance slot games.
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[Tengil]

I fail to see it my friend, what I do see is a fairly nice win though on a multiple of spins. I believe at least 20 to be exact...correct? I want to see a similar "High Variance" single spin hit/win there at 3Dice that is similar to mine that I posted above from (1) spin...not (20) spins. My 3240X win came from a single spin of a 0.30 cent bet.

Surely one of you frequent 3Dicer's have one of these screenshots to show me after you have played there for a couple of years or more now...don't you?

I ask again, can someone please show me one of those on one of these high variance machines at 3Dice?

I'll be patiently waiting..
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In all fairness missmichelle, Enzo himself cannot even point to any specific game or games for you to play that will make your deposit(s) last longer as you can see in his first response post above.

I used to think that the video poker games there at 3dice were fairly low variance games to play but I no longer even think that now as my experience with them of late have not been any better than just playing one of the so called high variance slot games.
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[RobWin]

A picture is worth a thousand words

And your point is? As Sam Kinison always said: Say It! Say It! Say It!

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[3Dice]

Hi RobWin,

In all fairness missmichelle, Enzo himself cannot even point to any specific game or games for you to play that will make your deposit(s) last longer as you can see in his first response post above.

How did you come to that conclusion ? I merely pointed MissMichelle to the zeitgeist as a source of information (and as mentioned before, in particular, you can use it to check what the games are played by players that share your favorit game.).

If you want low variance, the best picks are payola, fortunefalls and aztec. And ofcourse the color-only bet on industria. Internally, we use an interesting number to measure the playthrough on a slot. During design, we simulate play of a $50 deposit, playing minimum bet and withdrawing as soon as you hit $500. (or go bust). The average playthrough of that is measured. For games like payola and aztec the average playthrouh measured like that will be 6 or 7 times, for a game like tut its only 2.5. (as a reference, a game like mg's thunderstruck scores 7.5 on the same scale.) (higher numbers reflect lower variance).

I fail to see it my friend, what I do see is a fairly nice win though on a multiple of spins. I believe at least 20 to be exact...correct? I want to see a similar "High Variance" single spin hit/win there at 3Dice that is similar to mine that I posted above from (1) spin...not (20) spins. My 3240X win came from a single spin of a 0.30 cent bet.

It's both a single stake .. freespins are an extremely important factor in determining the variance of a game. You measure the variance by measuring the difference between the stake and the win paid on that stake. Spins have nothing to do with it. 3000 times betsize and more is commonplace at 3Dice, and its also quite obvious that our games get their high variance from the freespins. A game like tut has 40% of its total pay in freespins .. that is way more than any winline in the front will pay. Apart from medieval moolah, (which has a large chunk of the RTP in the suns), all 3Dice games get their variance from the freespins.

What you're asking is photographic proof of how nice Angelina Jolie is but then telling us we cant submit any pictures that feature boobs or lips

Cheers,

Enzo

 

[SlotKing]

I fail to see it my friend, what I do see is a fairly nice win though on a multiple of spins. I believe at least 20 to be exact...correct? I want to see a similar "High Variance" single spin hit/win there at 3Dice that is similar to mine that I posted above from (1) spin...not (20) spins. My 3240X win came from a single spin of a 0.30 cent bet.

Surely one of you frequent 3Dicer's have one of these screenshots to show me after you have played there for a couple of years or more now...don't you?

I ask again, can someone please show me one of those on one of these high variance machines at 3Dice?

I'll be patiently waiting..
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Rob...

What zap was posting is a screenshot of 5 tuts inside free spins... this pays off 3600x your bet. Outside of this (correct me Enzo if I am wrong), there is not one bet you could make at 3Dice that allows for a normal spin to pay out that much (regardless of betsize)- the payouts of the games along with the multipliers just don't support it. Your win of 3240x bet size came to you courtesy of an 81x multiplier. In all fairness, this was a 40x win with an additional multiplier tacked on - the games at 3Dice are not designed like this.

I congratulate you on that win, but the math should have been done beforehand to see that this is only possible in one way - and it was shown to you. Just because it was shown over the course of multiple spins doesn't make the result anything less - since the 20 free spins are all considered to be under the umbrella of ONE SPIN, it is a valid and usuable screenshot to prove that what you requested can be done.

 

[RobWin]

Hi RobWin,

How did you come to that conclusion ?

It was very simple Sherlock , as I stated...you did not in fact point her to any specific game or games in your first reply post to her. You rather pointed her to the zeitgeist as a source of information...correct? also as you just stated here:

"I merely pointed MissMichelle to the zeitgeist as a source of information"

If you want low variance, the best picks are payola, fortunefalls and aztec. And ofcourse the color-only bet on industria.

Now you have answered her question in particular...

It's both a single stake .. freespins are an extremely important factor in determining the variance of a game. You measure the variance by measuring the difference between the stake and the win paid on that stake. Spins have nothing to do with it.

If spins or the amount of spins have nothing to do with it, then again I ask to see the screenshot of the single "high variance" spin that would be comparable to the one I posted above and I will happily rest my case my friend. Same similar bet size, same similar "X" multiplier...etc. etc.

3000 times betsize and more is commonplace at 3Dice,

On a single spin?? Can I please have some of that smoke too.. That has not been my experience there as you well know just by looking back thru my stats there for the past two years.

What you're asking is photographic proof of how nice Angelina Jolie is but then telling us we cant submit any pictures that feature boobs or lips

Exactly, lets see it!

 

[RobWin]

Rob...

What zap was posting is a screenshot of 5 tuts inside free spins... this pays off 3600x your bet. Outside of this (correct me Enzo if I am wrong), there is not one bet you could make at 3Dice that allows for a normal spin to pay out that much (regardless of betsize)- the payouts of the games along with the multipliers just don't support it. Your win of 3240x bet size came to you courtesy of an 81x multiplier. In all fairness, this was a 40x win with an additional multiplier tacked on - the games at 3Dice are not designed like this.

I congratulate you on that win, but the math should have been done beforehand to see that this is only possible in one way - and it was shown to you. Just because it was shown over the course of multiple spins doesn't make the result anything less - since the 20 free spins are all considered to be under the umbrella of ONE SPIN, it is a valid and usuable screenshot to prove that what you requested can be done.

My friend, you guys are certainly welcome to "Spin" this anyway you like, but the fact is, 20 spins are not the same as 1 single spin no matter how many different ways you try to slice and 3Dice it!!
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[RobWin]

Here is a perfect example of not getting that mega "High Variance" single spin hit at 3Dice from last week...where is the 5th Sun?? Does it ever hit the 5th Sun. Maybe if it had then we all could say that the 3240X win is in fact possible there at 3Dice from a single spin...but not from 20 or more spins!

Although this was a nice 300X plus win...it was not a 3240X win.

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[3Dice]

If spins or the amount of spins have nothing to do with it, then again I ask to see the screenshot of the single "high variance" spin that would be comparable to the one I posted above and I will happily rest my case my friend. Same similar bet size, same similar "X" multiplier...etc. etc.

My apologies for not being clear in my previous post. My need for brevity sometimes makes me explain a lot of things in to few words and the net result of that is quite often that you just have to read it 5 times before the point comes across.

The variance of a game is the average of the difference between the actual win on a certain stake and the average win on that stake. To measure it you write down rtp*stake, press the spin button, wait till the pretty pictures and sounds stop, write down how much the total win is. That gives you two numbers per stake (the average win and the actual win). After many many many spins, you subtract the numbers in column 1 from the numbers in column 2 and take the average of that.

There are several ways to make a high variance machine. One way would be to put a really high paying combination in the paytable. (a front win). As a result of doing that a large part of the total RTP will be allocated to that particular win, and less of the RTP is available to the designer to allocate to for example freespins or bonus features.

Another way to boost the variance of the machine is to use many freespins, frequent freespins or freespins with a high multiplier. Doing that will mean a large part of the RTP is allocated to the freespins, and so less can be allocated to the paylines in the front.

The 3Dice games have a large part of their RTP allocated to the freespins, which is the way our designers made the games high variant. As a result of that decision, the high multiplying screenshots at 3Dice will always be those with freespins.

zap's screenshot is single stake - high payout. yours is single stake - high payout. Exactly the same in variance land.

Cheers,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

zap's screenshot is single stake - high payout. yours is single stake - high payout. Exactly the same in variance land.

Cheers,

Enzo

True, I agree on that point, but still you guys are comparing his (20 or more spins) to my one (1) single spin, correct?

Save all the math and engineering specs for the engineers, statisticians and math heads... I just want to see a screenshot of (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike on a similar size bet to the 0.30 cents that I was betting that will show a similar size win to mine...that's all.. I mean, it is possible to hit those combinations isn't it?

A real win...not one in tourney mode please.
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[3Dice]

True, I agree on that point, but still you guys are comparing his (20 or more spins) to my one (1) single spin, correct?

no, I'm comparing your single stake to his single stake. I'm trying to explain that you can have machines that are high variant because of a pay in the front (your screenshot) and machines that are high variant because of their freespins (zaps screenshot). All 3Dice games are high variant because of the freespins hence all of the big multipliers are found there.

I never said 3Dice games are high variant because they have huge wins in the front .. yet now you are suggesting they're not high variant because they dont have huge wins in the front. That's correct. They're high variant because of the huge wins in freespins ..

Put as simple as I can put it.
- your screenshot is over 3000x betsize because of 81 multiplier
- zaps screenshot is over 3000x betsize because of freespins

- asking for a 3000x + screenie on 3dice without freespins is like
- asking for a 3000x + screenie on the slot you were playing without the 81 multiplier.

so lets see it !


Cheers,

Enzo

 

[SlotKing]

I mean, it is possible to hit those combinations isn't it?

I said this before Rob - it's actually not possible, given the fact you had an 81x multiplier helping you out...

MM - Max win on front game: 1000x betsize (with 24x multiplier)
SS - Max win on front game: 166.67x betsize (no multiplier)
AE - Max win in front game/non-FS bonus: 1000x betsize (no multiplier)
FF - Max win in non-FS bonus: 1600x betsize (no multiplier)
Tut - Max win in front game: 600x your bet (5 tuts initiating 30 FS)
SP - Max win in front game: 1111.11x betsize (no multiplier)
SL - Max win in front game: 222.22x betsize (x4 multiplier)
HV - Max win in front game: 466.67x betsize (no multiplier)
IDC - Max win in front game:
-1388.88x betsize (symbols only)
-700x betsize (both cores)
PO - Max win in front game: 250x betsize (no multiplier)


ROR Games - Potentially huge, but requires hitting progressive - otherwise no more than 1000x bet...

You're asking for something that isn't actually possible to achieve.... it's like comparing tangerines to watermelons.

Math is key here. A little due diligence goes a long way.

 

[silcnlayc]

because they have huge wins

Thank you Enzo for clearing that up because I was under the impression that there is this DEFINITE possibility of ONE huge win that could be had....now I am understanding it differently, where there COULD be a huge hit if it is coded into the game...but not a guarantee for one, unlike other high variance (ugh) slots...so high variance is an iffy instead of a definite..like what Rob hit... please tell me if I am understanding it right this time please?

So the "expectation" of ones huge hit is really not a true expectation when all the wheels fall into place...just a could be, maybe type thing that might NEVER happen even if all is in place like I had with the 5 keys type thing..., but an expectation from a regular slot is a TRUE expectation..that will always happen if the reels fall right?

Geezes, I hope I am making some sense here in my understanding..

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[RobWin]

no, I'm comparing your single stake to his single stake. I'm trying to explain that you can have machines that are high variant because of a pay in the front (your screenshot) and machines that are high variant because of their freespins (zaps screenshot). All 3Dice games are high variant because of the freespins hence all of the big multipliers are found there.

Maybe I missed something here but I don't recall that "Medieval Moolah" has any free spins does it? And it is listed as "High Variance" So if the high variant is not in the front of this game "Medieval Moolah"...then where...in the feature mode?

I never said 3Dice games are high variant because they have huge wins in the front .. yet now you are suggesting they're not high variant because they dont have huge wins in the front. That's correct. They're high variant because of the huge wins in freespins ..
Cheers,

Enzo

And that is also true with Slotronomicon?

Put as simple as I can put it.
- your screenshot is over 3000x betsize because of 81 multiplier
- zaps screenshot is over 3000x betsize because of freespins

Put as simple as I can put it...
- My screenshot is from a single spin
- Zaps screenshot is from 20 or more spins

Oh and please don't forget about this question...please... The one below in RED

I just want to see a screenshot of (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike on a similar size bet to the 0.30 cents that I was betting that will show a similar size win to mine...that's all.. I mean, it is possible to hit those combinations isn't it?
A real win...not one in tourney mode please.

If that's asking too much I understand, just say so and I will let it be...

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[SlotKing]

Oh and please don't forget about this question...please... The one below in RED

I mean, it is possible to hit those combinations isn't it?


If that's asking too much I understand, just say so and I will let it be...

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Not asking for too much at all - simply read my post above.

 

[RobWin]

- asking for a 3000x + screenie on 3dice without freespins is like
- asking for a 3000x + screenie on the slot you were playing without the 81 multiplier.

so lets see it !


Cheers,

Enzo

Be careful what you ask for my friend...I might just have to show it to you!
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[RobWin]

Not asking for too much at all - simply read my post above.

I did after I had already posted...I can dig it that the fact is now clear that you cannot win these types of mega hits there at 3Dice unless you are in fact in the "Free Spin" mode but I still would like to know if it is possible to hit (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike in real mode.

Has anyone ever made a screenshot of this? I don't recall ever seeing one but then again maybe I just missed it...
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[silcnlayc]

I said this before Rob - it's actually not possible, given the fact you had an 81x multiplier helping you out...

But isn't this hit a guaranteed high variance slot hit vs those that are being offered as high variance that have never hit yet...and might never hit?? Just trying to wrap my brain around this stuff..because when it says HIGH VARIANCE...

I would EXPECT a HUGE win...not a maybe...ya know? Especially when I spent a nice sum of money THINKING I would catch a nice huge hit , and then catching it, but now finding out it will NEVER happen is truly a disappointment..if I am thinking wrong..please straighten me out..thanks..this term "high variance' is being used so badly IMO by many...geez..

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[SlotKing]

But isn't this hit a guaranteed high variance slot hit vs those that are being offered as high variance that have never hit yet...and might never hit?? Just trying to wrap my brain around this stuff..because when it says HIGH VARIANCE...

I would EXPECT a HUGE win...not a maybe...ya know? Especially when I spent a nice sum of money THINKING I would catch a nice huge hit , and then catching it, but now finding out it will NEVER happen is truly a disappointment..if I am thinking wrong..please straighten me out..thanks..this term "high variance' is being used so badly IMO by many...geez..

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Silc -

Just because the slot is High Variance does NOT mean that when a good hit comes up, it will pay out a huge win. I have hit 5 scatters many times in real mode only to be disappointed by the actual result.

It has happened before, and it will happen again - the only trick is being in the right place at the right time - as it is with any other slot machine in the world.

 

[SlotKing]

I did after I had already posted...I can dig it that the fact is now clear that you cannot win these types of mega hits there at 3Dice unless you are in fact in the "Free Spin" mode but I still would like to know if it is possible to hit (5)Suns or (5) of the little 'Wild Dudes' in Squirrels Pike in real mode.

Has anyone ever made a screenshot of this? I don't recall ever seeing one but then again maybe I just missed it...

There have been hits of 5 suns before, as well as 5 wilds in SP - IIRC, the last time I saw 5 suns was only a couple months ago. We all know 5 tuts is doable, along with 5 butterflies, 5 disco balls, 5 clovers, etc, etc. They may have a one in a million shot of coming up, but they all do come up... and they aren't always shown by screenshot - as some people would rather keep it to themself, don't know how to take a screenshot, etc - there's a myriad of other reasons.

Everything can and does appear that is listed in the paytable - it's a question of time when.

 

[3Dice]

RobWin,

Obviously the slots that have a non freespin feature wouldn't have that RTP in the freespins but instead in the bonus. Wrong of me to assume this would be clear. I should've said feature. mea culpa.

You still seem to be trying to somehow demonstrate that 3Dice games are not high variance. Yet when looking at our games you start by saying feature doesn't count. Well if you take the feature away from the slot of your screenshot, I'm sure it pays better than 3Dice without feature. But hey - if we take of the front and keep only the feature .. the 3Dice games will win by far. Obviously you only get a fair image by looking at both.

Let us examine these screenshots shall we ?

yours features a 81x multiplier. On average this pays out 81x RTP of single spin.

zap's features a 20 x 6 freespin set. On average this pays out 120x RTP of single spin.

Furthermore, zap's feature can retrigger, opening the doors to even bigger wins. In short, with only these two screenshots to go on, the conclusion is that the 3Dice one enables higher wins ..

It doesn't matter for the variance if the win is paid in a front spin or in freespins or in bonus game. What you're saying is two guys walk blindfolded upto two slot machines. They both bet $1 and win $3000 .. yet somehow you arrive to the conclusion that one of the machines is high variance (it paid on average 81*betsize*rtp) and the other that paid the same in this case (but on average 120*betsize*rtp) that one isn't high variance cause it happened to pay it through freespins.

Cheers,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

There have been hits of 5 suns before, as well as 5 wilds in SP - IIRC, the last time I saw 5 suns was only a couple months ago. We all know 5 tuts is doable, along with 5 butterflies, 5 disco balls, 5 clovers, etc, etc. They may have a one in a million shot of coming up, but they all do come up... and they aren't always shown by screenshot - as some people would rather keep it to themself, don't know how to take a screenshot, etc - there's a myriad of other reasons.

Everything can and does appear that is listed in the paytable - it's a question of time when.

Maybe that is the question that we should be asking here...Enzo, what are the odds of hitting (5) of the little "Wild Dudes" in Squirrels Pike? That's just a simple question with no variables attached....

1,000,000 to 1
100,000 to 1

Please keep it simple for us simple minded folk here...
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[skiny]

Another way to boost the variance of the machine is to use many freespins, frequent freespins or freespins with a high multiplier. Doing that will mean a large part of the RTP is allocated to the freespins, and so less can be allocated to the paylines in the front.

The problem is everytime I get 10 free spins, 9 of them hit zero and the other one hits 3x my original bet.

In fact on Payola, regardless of how many spins I get my total win seems to always work out to my original bet x the amount of free spins x 25%. I don't know why but no matter how many times I work it out it's always within a percent or two of that number.

What you're asking is photographic proof of how nice Angelina Jolie is but then telling us we cant submit any pictures that feature boobs or lips

If you have these pictures I will let you post them. Honest.

 

[zap987]

Actually my screenshot is over 3000x on that single freespin as the middle symbol on the 2nd reel is a wild. I was playing 5 lines 5 coins and that line paid $900 which in itself is 3600x bet.

 

[LaurieJim]

It seems like all the games go in hot and cold spells to me, i have hit Tut features 3 times in a row as well as other high variance games and have gone long spells where i couldnt hit one feature on Industria after many deposits, i guess its all up to that " Lady Luck Beotch" but that could be said for most casinos in the past 6 months or so imo.......laurie

 

[RobWin]

Believe me here peeps when I tell you that I do understand "The Exponential Function" as will always be the case with these 3Dice threads here as you can see in the example below...

The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to 3Dice For This Useful Post:
lauriejim (Today), missmichelle (Today), Pinababy69 (Today), zap987 (Today)

And that's all ok, I can dig it and am also very cool with it, but I would still like for Enzo to tell us all the odds of hitting (5) of the little "Wild Dudes" in the Squirrel Pike game..
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[denamoutz]

not sure the odds of hitting all 5 wilds, but babs reporting live just hit all 5 of them not to long ago!!!

 

[KasinoKing]

Am I the only one reading this thread thinking "What the hell...?"

Rob, you were playing a 3-reel slot - you just can't compare that to a 5-reel slot IMO.
But the most important thing of all is what were the ODDS of hitting your big win?
I have no idea what it is - but I would imagine it must be at the absolute least a 10,000 to 1 shot, possibly much higher.
Now, what are the odds of getting the free-spins on King Tut? Once in 158 spins.

Obviosly your 'jackpot' win is going to be massively higher than the average return from Tut's free-spins. But you're not going to hit it every time you play 200-300 spins on that that slot are you?

That would be like me saying I hit the Jackpot on Spring Break therefore it is higher variance than ANY of 3Dice's slots.
The fact is though, that my jackpot win was a 1 in 3.9 million shot!
I'm not likely to ever hit that again in my lifetime!

Sorry my friend, but you are way off the mark with your reasoning on this one.

KK

 

[LaHutti]

Am I the only one reading this thread thinking "What the hell...?"

KK

Nah, you're not the only one

 

[silcnlayc]

I now understand that "high variance" does not mean huge hit..
High variance means ..we will keep more of your money and if by chance you hit the best possible combination there is to hit, do not expect the best possible payout on it even though you invested lots of money to get that once in a miracle hit...

Because someone , somewhere might just maybe get it and it might not be you even if you do hit the right combo, but we need you to continue feeding us your money, and even though you DO hit the right combination of a once in a blue moon hit and not get paid for it...so keep depositng so we can cover whoever is lucky enough to maybe hit that huge hit...when the machine goes on the fritz and mistakenly gives the illusive pot away...hmmm

Variance = more for the casino, less for player...what a great strategy! and great marketing! To imply (not actually come out and say) that there is a big payday at the end of the tunnel for the right combination and tons of deposits. NOT!

Give me a guarateed huge hit..not one of these maybes when the right combo is it..that is so wrong in so many ways..IMO

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[LaHutti]

I fully understand your dissapointment silc, but if hitting the bonus round in any of the high variance games was a guarantee for a huge win, the bonus rounds COULD only hit once in a blue moon, and noone would want to play the games. Actually they hit quite often, hence they can't pay huge every time, or even every 10th time. The huge one, you'll see once in a blue moon
Same as Scary Rich for example....you hit the bonus round, and get all excited, and leave with sh*tty $3.45 99 times out of a hundred, but the thrill is, that some day, you'll ... maybe ... hit the big one.
Either you love high variance games, or you hate'em.

And again .... with Moolah, I'll 10 times rather see the suns, than the bonus round

 

[silcnlayc]

LaHutti:Actually they hit quite often

No they don't..how often do you see 5 of a kind at the so called casino of high variance that guarantee a SET payout?

You cannot hit 5 expanding at Scary Rich with the expanding reels during bonus...so the expectation isn't there when you hit the bonus round..

I thought the ULTIMATE goal is to hit those 5 keys..or 5 butterflies or 5 of any bonus trigger that will multiply your win and that is the GOAL for the big payout, which is a very seldom and almost impossible hit... that was what was being put out IMO...so hitting those...your expectation for a HUGE hit from all the claims of variance is there...because they TRIGGER the big hit ..

Not so on Scary Rich or the others because 5 wolves gives you NOTHING upfront...just a chance at the bonus round..and this is a KNOWN thing..You cannot hit 5 expanding wilds either and that is another KNOWN thing...and you have anywhere from 10-13 chances (spins) of catching a few GOOD ones there...that will add up to a nice tiday sum with another chance at a retrigger..where those 5 of a kind is a ONE shot deal..that usually gives the worst payout possible after hitting them...

I'll 10 times rather see the suns, than the bonus round

I agree now, that I am understanding it better...but to claim high variance ...to me it means it will cost you an arm and a leg to be eligible for a hit or miss kind of thing....and that is NOT right...just don't say ANYTHING...about the slots..geez...because saying this gives the IMPRESSION it will give you a huge hit for the right combo on the FIRST hit to get to the bonus round..

Just so darn bad...this variance stuff...(ugh!)

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[LaHutti]

lol...I didn't say 5 keys hit often .. I said the bonus rounds hit quite often, and the rules are the same whether you hit 3 - 4 - or 5 keys... from a lower to a higher amount. The road to the highest amount is shorter, and all amounts are higher all the way down, if you hit 5. That's the only "guarantee" you have
You do have to take ALL bonus rounds into account tho, when you talk about the variance. 3 keys are hit more often, ofcourse, and with some halfshitty to nice wins, and they all count. You're not guaranteed the $1728 when you hit 3 keys either, but you CAN get that.
If you hit the suns, THEN you can talk about expectation, and it WILL be filled 100%.
Fortune Falls does not guarantee you X1600 if you hit 5 butterflies, Because if you had that gurantee, 5 butterflies would probably hit 1/year, instead of ... I dunno .. 1/month, and would be more like a "jackpot hit". (I don't know how often they hit, but I've seen quite a few screenies, and hit them myself as well, unfortunately at low bet ).
Bottom line really is, that that's how the games are designed, to keep them interesting to a lot of players, because of the occasional hit of 5 butterflies or whatever, and evethough you don't hit the "biggie" the prize is worth it. It's all about keeping people interested, by letting them see, that 5 is not impossible, and "maybe" next time...

 

[RobWin]

Am I the only one reading this thread thinking "What the hell...?"

Why would you think that KK?

Rob, you were playing a 3-reel slot - you just can't compare that to a 5-reel slot IMO.KK

OK, so lets compare it to one of the 3-reel "High Variance" slots there at 3Dice then....is that one ok with you guys..

Can't wait to hear the feedback on this one now...lol

Oh gosh darnit, I just remembered that the win I posted was the third (3rd) one down the paytable from the top pay too, so there really may not even be a slot there at 3Dice to compare to this one I posted!

You gotta love these 3Dice threads...
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[LaHutti]

You gotta love these 3Dice threads...
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If nothing else, they're always long

 

[RobWin]

If nothing else, they're always long

True, and like the "Marketing Gurus" state, the only bad press is "No Press"...so you know Enzo has to love these threads and the google effect they all have..

Hell, I would too though if I ran 3Dice...
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[LaHutti]

I don't know why we're not on his payroll, whether we're pro or anti ...lol