3Dice

[Mavin1]

The payouts are a big dissapointment in nearly all casinos IMO. But I have downloaded 3Dice several times trying to see what the appeal is for this casino and it's slots and personally I just don't see it. After about 10 minutes I am so bored out of my skull I uninstall it again.
I just don't get it?

 

[skiny]

I like the games. And I like chatting with the players and the staff. I just find my money goes too quick, that's all.

 

[LaHutti]

I like the games. And I like chatting with the players and the staff. I just find my money goes too quick, that's all.

lol...surely not quicker than in any Rival or RTG casino, right ?

 

[Kenny Lingus]

Okay, I'm reading this post about High Variance versus Low Variance. I always thought High Variance meant, it will be a cold day in hades before you win anything and Low Variance meant, you may win if you hold you tongue just right, have a lucky rabbits foot in your left pocket, feet crossed and don't cross paths with a black cat or walk under a ladder.

But it is a math on ASSUMPTIONS, not fact. If it was true math, then we would all have the same results at some given time and we do not.

So, to me high variance means nothing...it is just another word being used instead of the lame excuse of "you are having a bad run" thing that we used to hear and was used and you no longer see much anymore , now isn't that odd?? The word play casinos and others us to suit their purpose and when one saying goes out another pops in and others pick up on??

NOT FACTS.......just another word for, yea, so sorry, you will lose but you MIGHT hit something in the next millenium...We can't prove that you will win but you just might!!

I said it before and I will say it again..it is all hogwash to try and prove something that is NOT there..and a means to make more money by stroking those that believe in this....until they go broke..

Sorry to be so butt headed on this word, but I actually HATE that term when used by so many that have no idea that it is just another come on as I said before...

I will stick with the casinos that give back a little and allow me to play a lot and withdraw a little ...that is what a real casino is about, not sucking you dry and saying "oops" didn't you know we are "high variance" Geeze....


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Well, it seems that there are a fair amount of the "mathematically challenged"
here in the CM forum.

And as much as I've dissed 3Dice on these pages, I have to say that Enzo indeed has the truth on his side on this topic.

So, allow me to make it simple to understand the difference between high and low variance. I'll use the lottery to make it clear:

- "Lotto" type games are an example with high variance payouts. A ticket usually costs just a dollar, but the payout can be huge. The chance of winning the big payout, however, is very small.

- "Scratch Cards" are an example with low variance payouts. Tickets also usually cost just a dollar, but most of the "winners" are small, just a dollar or two, or even a free ticklet, and even the largest prize falls far short of the top prize compared to the Lotto game. There is a much greater chance of hitting a "winning" ticket, however.

Now, imagine that a casino has both a high and low variance slot, both set at say, a 95% return. Since more cash is returned to more players more often on the low variance slot (hence, "more playtime"), there will be more bets made (playthrough) on the low variance slot.

Since the casino pockets, on average, 5 cents on every dollar played, the low variance slot will actually produce more profit for the casino, as the players re-play their winnings.

I hope this clears it up :nod:

 

[silcnlayc]

Since the casino pockets, on average, 5 cents on every dollar played, the low variance slot will actually produce more profit for the casino, as the players re-play their winnings.

That actually makes sense, but as you say, the casino gets back more of the winnings from more spins...lets put it this way...at least there is more money to give back, unlike the lottery...where you give and give and give...with no lottery money to be replenished to keep giving.. it all comes out of your pocket whereas some of the give back money comes from winnings... I like the give back winnings the best!

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[LonelyHearts]

I like the games. And I like chatting with the players and the staff. I just find my money goes too quick, that's all.

That's All? I guess as long as you like chatting its cool. Do you call any 1-900 chat lines?

 

[LaHutti]

The thing, (for me), with the low variance slots, is that I would rather play in fun mode. It would pay me about the same, but at least it's free, and I can get all the playtime in the world That's just how I feel.
It's true tho...we all have different play patterns, and I agree that offering both high and low variance games would be a wise choice for any casino, to try and please as many players as possible.
I'll bet any amount tho, that if 3Dice really goes low variance, we'll see a number of posts, complaining about the shitty payouts on bonus rounds.....
It's really not that easy to please gamblers

 

[skiny]

That's All? I guess as long as you like chatting its cool. Do you call any 1-900 chat lines?

Why? Are you going to send me your number?

 

[skiny]

The thing, (for me), with the low variance slots, is that I would rather play in fun mode. It would pay me about the same, but at least it's free, and I can get all the playtime in the world That's just how I feel.
It's true tho...we all have different play patterns, and I agree that offering both high and low variance games would be a wise choice for any casino, to try and please as many players as possible.
I'll bet any amount tho, that if 3Dice really goes low variance, we'll see a number of posts, complaining about the shitty payouts on bonus rounds.....
It's really not that easy to please gamblers

High variance does not mean good payouts in the bonus rounds. Most of the bonus round spins hit zero too.

 

[LaHutti]

High variance does not mean good payouts in the bonus rounds. Most of the bonus round spins hit zero too.

But you have the chance of hitting big....just have a look in the winner screenshots

 

[LonelyHearts]

Well, it seems that there are a fair amount of the "mathematically challenged"
here in the CM forum.

And as much as I've dissed 3Dice on these pages, I have to say that Enzo indeed has the truth on his side on this topic.

So, allow me to make it simple to understand the difference between high and low variance. I'll use the lottery to make it clear:

- "Lotto" type games are an example with high variance payouts. A ticket usually costs just a dollar, but the payout can be huge. The chance of winning the big payout, however, is very small.

- "Scratch Cards" are an example with low variance payouts. Tickets also usually cost just a dollar, but most of the "winners" are small, just a dollar or two, or even a free ticklet, and even the largest prize falls far short of the top prize compared to the Lotto game.

Now, imagine that a casino has both a high and low variance slot, both set at say, a 95% return. Since more cash is returned to more players more often on the low variance slot (hence, "more playtime"), there will be more bets made (playthrough) on the low variance slot.

Since the casino pockets, on average, 5 cents on every dollar played, the low variance slot will actually produce more profit for the casino, as the players re-play their winnings.

I hope this clears it up :nod:

In theory it works like that. But in reality its a program. I think CM gave a worst casino award to a casino. That allowed you to win in Free play mode. And lose in Real Money mode. I have played at 3dice and lost 22 hands out 25 to dealer 20s and 21s. Even when I made 20 dealer would get 21. I got my stats to prove it. I also closed my account there. Take a 100% bonus there. You will win like crazy. Once you get near wagering completion you can't win to save your life. I read several times where a RTG casino would raise the Random Jackpot up 10k+ and lower the returns % on that slot. Inorder to get players chasing the random and busting out from the poor return %. Its sounds good that you can break it down in math terms. But that dont mean $hit. And like the casinos here our lottery still sells the same scratch off tickets even though all the million dollar prizes have been won.

 

[LaHutti]

In theory it works like that. But in reality its a program. I think CM gave a worst casino award to a casino. That allowed you to win in Free play mode. And lose in Real Money mode. I have played at 3dice and lost 22 hands out 25 to dealer 20s and 21s. Even when I made 20 dealer would get 21. I got my stats to prove it. I also closed my account there. Take a 100% bonus there. You will win like crazy. Once you get near wagering completion you can't win to save your life. I read several times where a RTG casino would raise the Random Jackpot up 10k+ and lower the returns % on that slot. Inorder to get players chasing the random and busting out from the poor return %. Its sounds good that you can break it down in math terms. But that dont mean $hit. And like the casinos here our lottery still sells the same scratch off tickets even though all the million dollar prizes have been won.

Now losing 20 in 25 hands or any other amount, in any card game, I think is a completely different discussion, that I would rather not get into....and that goes for every online casino I've visited...namely the random discussion. I've seen some pretty weird shit happening, and have my own theory about that part, and choose to play those games accordingly....namely NOT

 

[silcnlayc]

LaHutti:But you have the chance of hitting big

Yup and you have almost the same chance of hitting the lottery...see the lottery winners screenshots?

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[skiny]

But you have the chance of hitting big....just have a look in the winner screenshots

I have the chance of getting hit by lightning too but it's never happened.

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Its just pure luck. You can mathematically analyze it you can call up spirits for your winnings or you can cast a spell. You win, you win. You lose you lose. There is no in-between and I always believe that we play for pure enjoyment and if you win you do the holy ghost dance. If you lose well you pick yourself right up and say to yourself tomorrows another day.

 

[skiny]

Its just pure luck. You can mathematically analyze it you can call up spirits for your winnings or you can cast a spell. You win, you win. You lose you lose. There is no in-between and I always believe that we play for pure enjoyment and if you win you do the holy ghost dance. If you lose well you pick yourself right up and say to yourself tomorrows another day.

It is luck. I agree with that. But like I've always said, luck is reliant on odds the better the odds the less luck you need. Casinos blame all the losing streaks on bad luck. I think it's true to an extent.

I said something here a long time ago to the effect of - If I get hit by lightning I'm unlucky. If I get hit by lightning while wandering around an open field with a steel rod in an electrical storm. Well, then I'm just an idiot.

 

[mattsgame]

thats a new one.

It is luck. I agree with that. But like I've always said, luck is reliant on odds the better the odds the less luck you need. Casinos blame all the losing streaks on bad luck. I think it's true to an extent.

I said something here a long time ago to the effect of - If I get hit by lightning I'm unlucky. If I get hit by lightning while wandering around an open field with a steel rod in an electrical storm. Well, then I'm just an idiot.

Great analogy there, never that one before. made me giggle and brighten whats been a slow boring day.

 

[silcnlayc]

skiny: Casinos blame all the losing streaks on bad luck.

Now skiny, that is the old saying, which you really do not see any more as you used to (got overused) ...the new saying is "variants"....c'mon now, get with the program..

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[just play]

Maybe Matt Damon could come an explain all this to us

 

[silcnlayc]

just play: Maybe Matt Damon could come an explain all this to us

OMG, too funny...laffin too much today and getting no work done..geez...now I am going home to HIT UP my honey (the meister said I could) for some money for more fun!

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[skiny]

Now skiny, that is the old saying, which you really do not see any more as you used to (got overused) ...the new saying is "variants"....c'mon now, get with the program..

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Actually I usually get something like

"Hey, how come I lost 37 deposits in a row and I'm not sure if I ever had more than my starting balance."

"We're sorry you haven't had much luck but we have many winners everyday!"

"Oh well. Since you put it that way I should keep depositing."

 

[Slotster!]

Enzo - that 3DICE "Zeitgeist" page is excellent, well done.

It's really interesting to see that sort of information, particularly updated so regularly and presented so clearly. Nice job!

I 'dabbled' with 3DICE a bit a while ago, maybe now they are accredited I should revisit.

 

[skiny]

Actually I usually get something like

"Hey, how come I lost 37 deposits in a row and I'm not sure if I ever had more than my starting balance."

"We're sorry you haven't had much luck but we have many winners everyday!"

"Oh well. Since you put it that way I should keep depositing."

I should verify that I'm not talking about 3Dice specifically. I'm making fun of everyone.

 

[RobWin]

Enzo - that 3DICE "Zeitgeist" page is excellent, well done.

It's really interesting to see that sort of information, particularly updated so regularly and presented so clearly. Nice job!

I 'dabbled' with 3DICE a bit a while ago, maybe now they are accredited I should revisit.

I still don't see 3Dice back on the "Accredited List" here...where did you see that at Slotster? I had actually asked Meister about this in another thread back a couple of weeks ago and why 3Dice was not back on the "Accredited List" yet, since their recent certification, but he must not have read it.

Maybe Enzo knows?
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[Mavin1]

It is luck. I agree with that. But like I've always said, luck is reliant on odds the better the odds the less luck you need. Casinos blame all the losing streaks on bad luck. I think it's true to an extent.

I said something here a long time ago to the effect of - If I get hit by lightning I'm unlucky. If I get hit by lightning while wandering around an open field with a steel rod in an electrical storm. Well, then I'm just an idiot.

Bottom line in my opinion is that most casino's manipulate a players luck, that is the one disadvantage they hold over us. So it's not the player that is having a lucky or unlucky day necessarily, it's how lucky or unlucky a casino will allow you to be.