32red - losing streak?

[Osloking]

When I first wrote this post I wrote my experience and my stats, and i was wondering if you would play further for better days or take a break from the MG.
and of course those who are on the plus side is saying MG is the best and those with minus would say it is the worst.

I was talking about my stats and my payout, not how big win you had or how much you are in pluss. any person that had same experince with this kind of losing streaks on long time period over half year could give me some advice?

i read on another forum stated that after they shut down spain and south africa and denmark on top off that financial crises had some impact on payouts although RNG should not react but somehow does of the amount of money coming in to system...

I have nothing against 32Red and i have been treated as an angel of the 32Red team. but I felt that I had really small of payouts VS deposit there.
I played only NetEnt until I found casinomeister and it was sort of a must to play at 32Red so i joined, thats why i asked if you guys had any experince and would continue playing there if you had same losing straks in long periods.

anyway, I hope you have a wonderful monday folks!

 

[Nifty29]

When I first wrote this post I wrote my experience and my stats, and i was wondering if you would play further for better days or take a break from the MG.
and of course those who are on the plus side is saying MG is the best and those with minus would say it is the worst.

I was talking about my stats and my payout, not how big win you had or how much you are in pluss. any person that had same experince with this kind of losing streaks on long time period over half year could give me some advice?

i read on another forum stated that after they shut down spain and south africa and denmark on top off that financial crises had some impact on payouts although RNG should not react but somehow does of the amount of money coming in to system...

I have nothing against 32Red and i have been treated as an angel of the 32Red team. but I felt that I had really small of payouts VS deposit there.
I played only NetEnt until I found casinomeister and it was sort of a must to play at 32Red so i joined, thats why i asked if you guys had any experince and would continue playing there if you had same losing straks in long periods.

anyway, I hope you have a wonderful monday folks!

Exclusion of certain countries means potentially less profit as the player base and market is smaller.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with TRTP of games and has no impact on yours, or anyone else's, personal gaming results. The ONLY thing that WOULD make a difference is if the casino REDUCED the TRTP of the games as a result of losing players, but when you consider that individual MGS operators CANNOT change RTP settings, that the MGS games have a "hard wired" TRTP that cannot be altered anyway (according to Bryan), and that NOBODY has ever presented any kind of evidence to the contrary, it is pretty clear that this has not been done.

Saying that the loss of some players means less payouts for those remaining shows that you don't understand how casinos work.

 

[Slotster!]

I think the insinuation is that when territories (mainly the US) were excluded - the RTP's were tightened to compensate the lost revenue.

This has been mentioned a lot.

The thing is though - it doesn't actually make any difference whatsoever if it has or it hasn't. We're talking slots here at the end of the day. Guaranteed money eating monsters that will take the shirt off your back and all those out of your wardrobe as well.

Drop some money in, hit spin, cross your fingers. Repeat ad infinitum.

Inbetween the millions of dead spins you might, just might, find yourself wandering over to the Winner Screenshots thread to make a contribution.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's not just a question of RTP, I'm not accusing MG of lowering the RTPs of their slots, I'm suggesting they've changed something about how they get there.

 

[Nifty29]

It's not just a question of RTP, I'm not accusing MG of lowering the RTPs of their slots, I'm suggesting they've changed something about how they get there.

OK, let's assume you're right (and I don't think you are).

What's the big deal? If the TRTP is the same it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

Trouble with your conspiracy theory is that the ONLY way they could change the WAY that RANDOM slots generate their RTP is by adjusting the paytable i.e. the low symbols lower and the high symbols higher, or by adjusting the parameters and frequency of bonus rounds. If you're saying what I think you're saying, you believe that they now operate as pseudo-AWPs that go through sucking cycles until a certain point is reached, at which they pay out most of what they took in.....in other words, they are NOT random.

The problem with gamblers is that one person says "Oh I think the games have changed", and every other member who has been losing lately jumps on the bandwagon and says "Ohhh....Ohhhh....yes they definitely have...I cannot win a thing".....and the whole thing snowballs until we get to a point where members are stating it as FACT when it clearly is not. There are a lot of smart members here...smarter than I....who keep their ears to the ground 24/7 looking and listening for something not right for them to sink their investigative teeth into. I've seen them spring to life a couple of times, with the English Harbour double-up cheat and the recent case of cheating software attached to a bookie (can't recall the name), and all is fairly short order too I can tell you. How they began looking into it was that some players provided their data which basically could NOT be random/fair, and it all developed from there.

Now, data has been provided to these same people for years and years from MGS, RTG and other major providers and NO cheating or unfair play has ever been unearthed....and considering the amount of material that gets posted about the major providers here each day, one would think that any misbehaviour would have been investigated and revealed well before now (especially since some of you say "it all happened back in '08"). Well, according to others, "it all happened in '03", and again in '04, and in '05...get the picture?

RTG was the black dog that was ripping everyone off for a while here at CM, but now that any and every accusation and theory has been put to bed and dealt with ad nauseum, it is MGS's turn. Stay tuned next year for Playtech who haven't had a run for a while.

In the non-words of Tom Cruise...."SHOW ME THE PROOF/DATA/EVIDENCE!!"

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In the non-words of Tom Cruise...."SHOW ME THE PROOF/DATA/EVIDENCE!!"

I don't need to, I've made my mind up and I've voted with my online gambling funds and I ain't touching MG again, all this stuff is just my opinion and I make it clear that's all it is.

The Mega Moolah changes were indisputable, Boogie Monsters and Franken Cash less so, I'll give you that.

 

[Nifty29]

I don't need to, I've made my mind up and I've voted with my online gambling funds and I ain't touching MG again, all this stuff is just my opinion and I make it clear that's all it is.

The Mega Moolah changes were indisputable, Boogie Monsters and Franken Cash less so, I'll give you that.

IIRC the MM changes were just the jackpot amounts for the minor prizes weren't they? I thought they just increased the frequency of the jackpot round which produced smaller winners more often. Again, I don't see the issue, if the TRTP is the same.

The BM/FC changes were only slated by ONE person who couldn't even tell us what had changed on the paytable. I sincerely doubt ONE person out of everyone would have noticed a paytable change....and again, not even a screenie, just "Oh the paytable has changed and the scatters don't seem to hit as often". So, it's not even less so, it's just not at all.

I'm certain you will come across the same issues with every other software, especially when a losing run hits, which it will. Still, it's your money and your sanity.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

IIRC the MM changes were just the jackpot amounts for the minor prizes weren't they? I thought they just increased the frequency of the jackpot round which produced smaller winners more often. Again, I don't see the issue, if the TRTP is the same.

If they make their slots streaky then it could easily change players' behaviour, effectively inducing them to play for longer, to redeposit more, to chase losses, waiting for the 'streak' or the 'hot run'.

If the T-RTP is the same but the player churns through more spins on more deposits, he will lose more and MG will make more. A player slotting 100,000 spins per month will lose more, over time, than a player slotting 50,000 spins per month. The T-RTP can remain the same, but the player will lose more in the same period of time if he consistently plays more.

It's the 'heart stopper' mentality whereby slots are engineered to drop in loads of near misses on the reels, even where the rational player may know that there is no such thing as a 'near miss' on a random game, psychologically it will have an effect.

I readily accept I could be 100% wrong, I have no proof I'm right, you have no proof I'm wrong - so I've taken the only real sanction I have available to me as a player, and I have stopped playing MG. I am comfortable with that decision and it works for me

 

[Seventh777]

It's the 'heart stopper' mentality whereby slots are engineered to drop in loads of near misses on the reels, even where the rational player may know that there is no such thing as a 'near miss' on a random game, psychologically it will have an effect.

This is basically the same thing as subliminal messages in adverts etcetera, and is strictly forbidden in the UK upto the point it is highly illegal, gaining a financial advantage using psychological practices over your average consumer is a huge no-no.

When the RNG creates the outcome of the next spin and that spin is a no return spin, that spin could be 4 wilds following a scatter, no matter how the reel strips land a no win spin is exactly that, so you`re saying the RNG also has another more sinister task?, this is right up there with those people who play reduced win lines and state `Damn if I were playing all win lines I would have won <insert random amount here>`, no they would not, a no win spin is exactly that, if that spin were meant to pay something the symbols would have landed on an active win line.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is basically the same thing as subliminal messages in adverts etcetera, and is strictly forbidden in the UK upto the point it is highly illegal, gaining a financial advantage using psychological practices over your average consumer is a huge no-no.

When the RNG creates the outcome of the next spin and that spin is a no return spin, that spin could be 4 wilds following a scatter, no matter how the reel strips land a no win spin is exactly that, so you`re saying the RNG also has another more sinister task?

No I'm saying that online video slots have their reel strips specifically designed to constantly drop in 'near misses' simply by virtue of the natural design of the reels. Plus I thought it was pretty common knowledge that a lot of MG slots use weighted reels.

Plus, if anyone here wants to seriously suggest that Tunzamunni has 'natural' reels I may very well die of laughter, the number of times I've seen the progressive sevens combination above the winline is ridiculous.

 

[Nifty29]

If they make their slots streaky then it could easily change players' behaviour, effectively inducing them to play for longer, to redeposit more, to chase losses, waiting for the 'streak' or the 'hot run'.

If the T-RTP is the same but the player churns through more spins on more deposits, he will lose more and MG will make more. A player slotting 100,000 spins per month will lose more, over time, than a player slotting 50,000 spins per month. The T-RTP can remain the same, but the player will lose more in the same period of time if he consistently plays more.

It's the 'heart stopper' mentality whereby slots are engineered to drop in loads of near misses on the reels, even where the rational player may know that there is no such thing as a 'near miss' on a random game, psychologically it will have an effect.

I readily accept I could be 100% wrong, I have no proof I'm right, you have no proof I'm wrong - so I've taken the only real sanction I have available to me as a player, and I have stopped playing MG. I am comfortable with that decision and it works for me

I was really hoping you wouldn't descend to the "you can't prove I'm wrong" gambit Chopley. I expected better from a man of your intellect. It's the age old haven of the conspiracy theorist.

You forget that YOU are the one who is putting the theory forward, hence the burden of proof is on you. The fact that you don't have any just tells me it's just another conspiracy theory with no legs. In actual fact, there are many data analyses of MGS play logs over the years that indicate the software is providing a fair and random game......and I would call that "proof", not that I need to provide it. It's certainly 100% more than you have. We also have information about RTP etc from Bryan who knows the big cheeses, so unless you think Bryan is "in on it" or is incredibly stupid and gullible, then that is proof also.

It's nothing personal Chops. I'm just really surprised you're buying into something normally reserved for sore losers and those who don't understand what they're ploughing their cash into.

Of course the 3 reel slots are weighted, just like the AWPs are compensated. So what? The weighting occurs on land based 3 reelers also. If the TRTP is the same, and your chances of hitting a winning combination are just the same, again.....so what? If the reels showed blanks all the time, which they would have to if the reels were like the "real series" slots, everyone would be complaining that the symbols never come up! So it doesn't matter either way.

 

[Seventh777]

No I'm saying that online video slots have their reel strips specifically designed to constantly drop in 'near misses' simply by virtue of the natural design of the reels. Plus I thought it was pretty common knowledge that a lot of MG slots use weighted reels.

Plus, if anyone here wants to seriously suggest that Tunzamunni has 'natural' reels I may very well die of laughter, the number of times I've seen the progressive sevens combination above the winline is ridiculous.

With all the millions of possible combinations of every spin Chopley, i`d be more amazed if there wasn`t any `Near miss` spins, as far as AWP`s go isn`t it common knowledge that some are weighted as such?.

 

[Tirilej]

No I'm saying that online video slots have their reel strips specifically designed to constantly drop in 'near misses' simply by virtue of the natural design of the reels. Plus I thought it was pretty common knowledge that a lot of MG slots use weighted reels.

Plus, if anyone here wants to seriously suggest that Tunzamunni has 'natural' reels I may very well die of laughter, the number of times I've seen the progressive sevens combination above the winline is ridiculous.

Dying of laughter is maybe a nice way to die....
...maybe all the other combinations are there just as frequent as the sevens. You just don't see them because they wouldn't have given you the jackpot.

I have no clue what game it is but I suppose it's a game like any other game.

 

[Jufo]

As for the debate about randomness of MG slots, I have one idea on how to test it: Play different MG slots and trigger free spins / bonus game features on different slots but don't start playing them but simply close the game and move on to a different slot. Keep collecting bonus features on different slots and once you have collected, say, 5-10, then play them through at once. If there is a secret non-random manipulation which limits the amount you are able to win, then after a well-paying bonus feature you would notice that the subsequent features pay almost nothing. On the other hand if all is above board then the payouts from previous features will not affect the payout of a subsequent feature. I am not sure how much you would be able to conclude from such a test but this is just a experiment that I thought of.

As for OsloKing's results at 32Red, I have them in my possession (only last 6 months though). However the data is presented in a rather unfriendly format, making calculating stats awkward. So it will take a while before I am finished compling OsloKing's stats. I would hope casinos (and especially 32Red) would take the effort of sending game stats in a more friendly format where the player could quickly summarize their results on each game, and they shouldn't have to contact another person (like me) to be able to compile their stats. A routine request of providing game play history shouldn't be made difficult and awkward for the player, especially for reasons of transparency.

 

[aceking123]

well i think chopley has some good points & today im leaving micro gaming , cant say ive not been playing that long as ive played well over ten years , so nothing new to me , but you know thinking about to what ive spent & enjoyed over those years i think its time to move on & play some other software see how i go there , had some fun with netent no big wins but far far more playtime than ive been getting on mg slots , anyway i shall just add a big thankyou to 32red customer services & managment as no doubt they are great & have always been treated very very well ) but its time to move on so best of luck to you guys who play video slots within any mg casino !

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I was really hoping you wouldn't descend to the "you can't prove I'm wrong" gambit Chopley. I expected better from a man of your intellect. It's the age old haven of the conspiracy theorist.

You forget that YOU are the one who is putting the theory forward, hence the burden of proof is on you. The fact that you don't have any just tells me it's just another conspiracy theory with no legs. In actual fact, there are many data analyses of MGS play logs over the years that indicate the software is providing a fair and random game......and I would call that "proof", not that I need to provide it. It's certainly 100% more than you have. We also have information about RTP etc from Bryan who knows the big cheeses, so unless you think Bryan is "in on it" or is incredibly stupid and gullible, then that is proof also.

It's nothing personal Chops. I'm just really surprised you're buying into something normally reserved for sore losers and those who don't understand what they're ploughing their cash into.

Of course the 3 reel slots are weighted, just like the AWPs are compensated. So what? The weighting occurs on land based 3 reelers also. If the TRTP is the same, and your chances of hitting a winning combination are just the same, again.....so what? If the reels showed blanks all the time, which they would have to if the reels were like the "real series" slots, everyone would be complaining that the symbols never come up! So it doesn't matter either way.

There is some middle ground between 'CONSPIRACY THEORIST' and 'ABSOLUTE MATHEMATICAL PROOF' y'know Nifty

I made it absolutely crystal clear in my post on Page 1 of this thread that I was presenting my personal opinions, albeit opinions formed off the back of huge amounts of online slotting. Remember I'm the kind of player who will lump away at a single slot for tens of thousands of spins, and will cheerfully low-roll for days and days on a big WR.

That doesn't make my opinion become fact of course, and I have not attempted to present that as being the case.

My point stands though, there is no proof as to what really goes on behind MG's closed doors, and they absolutely did change the behaviour of the Mega Moolah slots, and then change it back again, with no public statement being made whatsoever.

When it comes to the video slots the logs may indeed show that they pay out at 95-96% and therefore that is their true T-RTP, but as far as I'm aware no one has ever done any kind of in depth analysis as to the behaviour of MG slots and how they achieve those RTPs.

I have my own opinions which I have shared here, and I have made a decision to stop playing MG based on my observations - I'm not presenting it as anything more than that. People are free to disagree with me as they wish

 

[onico]

Interesting thread...I have been in this game for about 11 years now and i am stunned that some of you DONT think that there is code in the software that balances your accounts outcome. STUNNED! The only one that knows how Microgaming software or any other casinosoftware is set up is the one with the source code for the software.Period. Do you think 32Red now how it works? And why should they?? They are guaranteed a certain procent of the cashflow that runs through the casino every day so...Criticism should be constructive so why cant we instead try to do something about it? I think Jufos suggestion about save your freespins and run them together is a constructive way to try it but i think it must be on a new account with every data new to the server you are connecting to because crossreferences inside a database is way to easy to do and if that database find something about your earlier gameplay i think you are f....d. Or maybe someone here at Casinomeister have such skills on programming that they can set up a "slot" with a true RNG and a TRTP of 96% so we all " not believers " really can see how the RTP is compared to the TRTP after a while... Or even better let it run here on Casinomeister as a bot so it is easy for all to see changes over time... I really think that many of us that has played for a while see a pattern that makes us feel we are getting screwed by many casinos so if we together can make some change in a constructive way i think we all could benefit from that... And is`nt that what a forum should be about?

 

[Nifty29]

Interesting thread...I have been in this game for about 11 years now and i am stunned that some of you DONT think that there is code in the software that balances your accounts outcome. STUNNED! The only one that knows how Microgaming software or any other casinosoftware is set up is the one with the source code for the software.Period. Do you think 32Red now how it works? And why should they?? They are guaranteed a certain procent of the cashflow that runs through the casino every day so...Criticism should be constructive so why cant we instead try to do something about it? I think Jufos suggestion about save your freespins and run them together is a constructive way to try it but i think it must be on a new account with every data new to the server you are connecting to because crossreferences inside a database is way to easy to do and if that database find something about your earlier gameplay i think you are f....d. Or maybe someone here at Casinomeister have such skills on programming that they can set up a "slot" with a true RNG and a TRTP of 96% so we all " not believers " really can see how the RTP is compared to the TRTP after a while... Or even better let it run here on Casinomeister as a bot so it is easy for all to see changes over time... I really think that many of us that has played for a while see a pattern that makes us feel we are getting screwed by many casinos so if we together can make some change in a constructive way i think we all could benefit from that... And is`nt that what a forum should be about?

If you think that MGS cheat, then you must also think that other software cheats.....and yet you are STILL playing after 11 years. So, it either means you don't believe your own fairy stories, or you have a serious gambling problem that keeps you playing even though you know you're being ripped off.

It's rants like this I.e. devoid of logic or fact, that actually does the "It's rigged I tells ya" movement more harm than good.

You seem to think that a forum should be a place where people can go right off the reservation blaming everything from rigged software to eye color for their losses, and the admins delete anything that challenges those accusations/theories. What you say you want is "freedom of speech", when in fact you want "freedom of YOUR speech".

If you want everyone to just agree with you and not challenge anything you say, you have two choices:

1. Start a blog (you can do one at CM), and delete any replies you don't like, or

2. Don't post in a public forum.

Everyone has the right to say you're wrong, as long as they keep within the forum rules.

I do agree with one thing you said though....if you really feel that strongly, DO something about it. You could stop playing online, and spend the money you save hiring a professional to analyze your online historical data. If you have even half of your 11 years worth, it should be a sufficient sample.

I've always had respect for those who have the courage of their convictions and refuse to play any more, but the only one that comes to mind is 4ofakind who has since been banned for being a twerp. I didn't agree with his whacky theories, but I respected the fact that he actually believed them himself.

 

[skiny]

As for the debate about randomness of MG slots, I have one idea on how to test it: Play different MG slots and trigger free spins / bonus game features on different slots but don't start playing them but simply close the game and move on to a different slot. Keep collecting bonus features on different slots and once you have collected, say, 5-10, then play them through at once. If there is a secret non-random manipulation which limits the amount you are able to win, then after a well-paying bonus feature you would notice that the subsequent features pay almost nothing. On the other hand if all is above board then the payouts from previous features will not affect the payout of a subsequent feature. I am not sure how much you would be able to conclude from such a test but this is just a experiment that I thought of.

As for OsloKing's results at 32Red, I have them in my possession (only last 6 months though). However the data is presented in a rather unfriendly format, making calculating stats awkward. So it will take a while before I am finished compling OsloKing's stats. I would hope casinos (and especially 32Red) would take the effort of sending game stats in a more friendly format where the player could quickly summarize their results on each game, and they shouldn't have to contact another person (like me) to be able to compile their stats. A routine request of providing game play history shouldn't be made difficult and awkward for the player, especially for reasons of transparency.

5-10 free spins? It would take me 5-10 deposits to get that.

I wanted to see how this software ran on my new computer so I reinstalled it and popped in 25 bucks at Dash. A bonus was automatically added which doubled my deposit not that it matters because I spun out 50 dollars on bets ranging from 9c to 50c per spin. I got one free spin at 40 dollars that paid less than 4 on a 30c bet and then another when I had 2 dollars left that paid 87 cents.

Now if I had some good sessions using this software anywhere in my memory I wouldn't mind a bad session but getting a free spin in these games is like pulling teeth out of a chicken. This is pretty much every MGS session I've had in the last 7 years except maybe 2 or 3 and I used to use this software almost exclusively playing several times a week. I considered myself lucky if my balance increased by even 50% before it nose dived.

The test was great. The software ran much faster and smoother than it ever did on my old computer. But the games play exactly the same way as they did when I uninstalled it. Time to uninstall it again, I guess.

 

[Nifty29]

5-10 free spins? It would take me 5-10 deposits to get that.

I wanted to see how this software ran on my new computer so I reinstalled it and popped in 25 bucks at Dash. A bonus was automatically added which doubled my deposit not that it matters because I spun out 50 dollars on bets ranging from 9c to 50c per spin. I got one free spin at 40 dollars that paid less than 4 on a 30c bet and then another when I had 2 dollars left that paid 87 cents.

Now if I had some good sessions using this software anywhere in my memory I wouldn't mind a bad session but getting a free spin in these games is like pulling teeth out of a chicken. This is pretty much every MGS session I've had in the last 7 years except maybe 2 or 3 and I used to use this software almost exclusively playing several times a week. I considered myself lucky if my balance increased by even 50% before it nose dived.

The test was great. The software ran much faster and smoother than it ever did on my old computer. But the games play exactly the same way as they did when I uninstalled it. Time to uninstall it again, I guess.

Making judgements based on one $50 deposit on a game/s you didnt mention is a complete waste of time. If everyone based their decisions on that, nobody would play anywhere.

I thought you were smarter than that skiny.

 

[Seventh777]

We still have posts depicting MGS as basically *Fixed* *Rigged*, yet no-one responded to my earlier post relating to when it goes completely in your favour... https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/32red-losing-streak.52049/, why is that? , and yet, once again, all those that have posted it`s rigged related posts have offered no evidence whatsoever to back up their assumptions.

As in all aspects of life - If there is no evidence that it happened that way, then it didn`t happen that way.

 

[mattsgame]

No I'm saying that online video slots have their reel strips specifically designed to constantly drop in 'near misses' simply by virtue of the natural design of the reels. Plus I thought it was pretty common knowledge that a lot of MG slots use weighted reels.

Plus, if anyone here wants to seriously suggest that Tunzamunni has 'natural' reels I may very well die of laughter, the number of times I've seen the progressive sevens combination above the winline is ridiculous.

Chopley,

I have read a lot of your posts mate and they are very informative and I love reading them, but this statement above has caught me.

Online slots, brick and mortar slots you name them, are all designed the same. The near misses is a well known psychological thing slot designers use and have used for years. You can walk into a brick and mortar and play a slot and I guarantee you that you will get as many near misses as online, no matter who the manufacture/designer is etc. You cannot seriously be saying only MGS do this?

You will get his across all online/offline platforms, its to f$%^ with gamblers heads and give you that adrenaline rush to keep going in the hope of hitting what you just missed.

Also it is pretty well known that 3 reel slots are weighted and it does not matter where you play them, I cannot count the amount of times that 3 jackpot symbols have landed above or below the line on 3Dice, MGS, RTG etc.

As for whomever mention AWP's that is for a completely different discussion all together.


Hope I made some sort of sense, rambled a little bit.

Cheers
Matt

 

[naththo]

I am sorry to hear you have had lots of losing streak. But remember, every slots are different in variance. So people need to be beware of losing fast if playing high variance. Use your strategy to avoid yourself losing too much money. You do not need to use bonus all the time, if you win like few hundreds and you feel like withdraw it straight away it better not be on bonus. Its nice to be on bonus but play through is tough. Because you borrow their money of bonus thats why it is like a tax to pay back in playthrough similar to in loan shop. Last night I risked it played $50 at 3Dice, no good and did not want to play another $50 on 3Dice cos I had bad feeling it gonna be another lose streak. So I moved on to 32Red, played with $50. No bonus. Had a good luck. Lots of free spin galore at low roller bet under $1. I stick to it as I don't want run out of money! lol Then I have just withdrawn $400 last night. Am happy chappy. I only have $350 in bank so having that some back since I gamble before would be nice. That was my strategy! lol

Nathan.

 

[KasinoKing]

I wanted to see how this software ran on my new computer so I reinstalled it and popped in 25 bucks at Dash. A bonus was automatically added which doubled my deposit not that it matters because I spun out 50 dollars on bets ranging from 9c to 50c per spin. I got one free spin at 40 dollars that paid less than 4 on a 30c bet and then another when I had 2 dollars left that paid 87 cents.

Now if I had some good sessions using this software anywhere in my memory I wouldn't mind a bad session but getting a free spin in these games is like pulling teeth out of a chicken. This is pretty much every MGS session I've had in the last 7 years except maybe 2 or 3 and I used to use this software almost exclusively playing several times a week. I considered myself lucky if my balance increased by even 50% before it nose dived...

As a matter of interest, which game(s) were you playing?

Not that it makes THAT much difference - I have to agree with Nifty that starting with only $50 and spinning at up to 50c per spin is an extremely small sample to make any sort of judgement on any software.
And the statement about never getting over 50% up is also pretty meaningless if you don't include your betting patterns; e.g. Suppose you start with $50 and hit a bet x200 win while only betting 9c - that is $18 (= only 36% of your starting balance), even though a bet x200 win is a pretty decent result on any software!

KK

 

[skiny]

As a matter of interest, which game(s) were you playing?

Not that it makes THAT much difference - I have to agree with Nifty that starting with only $50 and spinning at up to 50c per spin is an extremely small sample to make any sort of judgement on any software.
And the statement about never getting over 50% up is also pretty meaningless if you don't include your betting patterns; e.g. Suppose you start with $50 and hit a bet x200 win while only betting 9c - that is $18 (= only 36% of your starting balance), even though a bet x200 win is a pretty decent result on any software!

KK

Mad Hatters, 4 dollar free spin bonus @30c
Days of the Tzar, no free spin.
Flying Circus, no free spin.
Katmandu, no free spin
Thunderstruck, 87c free spin bonus@9c

And I'm giving my experience. Your experience might be different. My judgement isn't based on one session. It's on every session for years. And I don't blame Dash casino because every MGS casino plays the same.

I can look back at pretty much any casino software I've played and remember many large balances, some of which I lost and some I've been smart enough to withdrawal. With as many MGS sessions or more I've had almost no balances much more than what I started with. Same average bet sizes, same withdrawal expectations.

Maybe you have lots of luck with this software. If you do that's great. I don't. Which is why I rarely play these games now.

 

[Slotster!]

I am in awe at this thread. Seriously.

Which bit about casino games (and slots specifically) do people not understand!??!

Saying a slot machine is rigged to take your money is like saying a car is rigged to let you drive.

IT IS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

Trying to get into the intricacies and specifics of how they are programmed is pointless.

Most hilarious however is that online software providers would do anything different from tried and tested, solid money spinners in B&M Casino's across the globe; funny how (with most players) they can't monitor your overall gambling spend and then adjust the payout accordingly - yet they still make millions.

Some people need to grow up or stop gambling.

 

[naththo]

Also another strategy is: If a slot game you are playing is going cold and is not paying out well in a while like after few mins. Then you should stop and try a different one. Balance it between low variance, medium variance, high variance to keep your money steady or else you lose more than you can afford.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Also another strategy is: If a slot game you are playing is going cold and is not paying out well in a while like after few mins. Then you should stop and try a different one. Balance it between low variance, medium variance, high variance to keep your money steady or else you lose more than you can afford.

But by this logic,this would mean they are not random surely....?

It's online slots we're playing here,not pub slots.

 

[Osloking]

Saying a slot machine is rigged to take your money is like saying a car is rigged to let you drive.

Trying to get into the intricacies and specifics of how they are programmed is pointless.

Some people need to grow up or stop gambling.

(I'm talking in general)

If people followed your theory we would still lived in stone ages, where you could never ask "how and why"
since its open forum people should express their thoughts about online gambling.
In absolutely any connection with financial transactions it has always been a scandals & fraud, where greed takes over, but without people who asked why & how, we wouldn't see any breakthroughs in cases. And of course vice versa.

 

[Slotster!]

(I'm talking in general)

If people followed your theory we would still lived in stone ages, where you could never ask "how and why"
since its open forum people should express their thoughts about online gambling.
In absolutely any connection with financial transactions it has always been a scandals & fraud, where greed takes over, but without people who asked why & how, we wouldn't see any breakthroughs in cases. And of course vice versa.

This is a good point. Of course understanding how things work is important and, most importantly - really interesting.

With slot machines, the logic is very simple:

HOW do slot machines work: They are designed to return an overall percentage which is less than what they take.

WHY did I have a losing streak?: See above.

You can't "scandal and fraud" someone if you're blatantly pointing out in advance that the pastime they are about to partake in is explicitly designed to take their money.

Moral issues aside, there's nothing scandalous or fraudulent about any slot machine if you're approaching playing it with the correct frame of mind i.e: "It's likely I'm going to lose all my money here, I hope I don't though and I hit a million billion pound jackpot".

It's ace when you get the latter; in my experience the former is far more common. Fancy that.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If you think that MGS cheat, then you must also think that other software cheats.....and yet you are STILL playing after 11 years.

Personally speaking Nifty, I'm not saying that MG 'cheat' in the truest sense of the word, I'm saying that I think their games are controlled in such a fashion to render them not truly random. I am uncomfortable playing their slots, therefore I have decided to take my business to providers who I personally feel have slots that roll in a truly random fashion.

Seventh777 has challenged people to respond to his story of an epic win streak, but no response is necessary. I've not said it's impossible to win on MG, I'm not saying they've pushed down their T-RTPs, it's all down to the question of game control and the play profile that results from this.

Several people have now said that we can't include MG's AWPs in this debate because they're a 'completely different thing', well if that's the case, why don't MG list the payouts for the AWPs and the slots separately? They have a different category for table games and poker games, since the AWPs are NOT random games and are controlled/compensated (we do all agree on that at least?), why do they get lumped into the same category as the random slots?

You keep demanding that us MG doubters produce proof, well I don't have any, I've said I don't have any, and I've made it quite clear that I'm expressing only my opinions here. I have 'put my money where my mouth is' as it were, because I uninstalled all MG casinos off all my PCs weeks ago and I haven't played MG since.

I don't mistrust all casinos and software providers (I have Galewind's Gems Of Isis slot playing in real money mode on the other side of my screen even as I'm typing this post, and last night I made a couple of deposits to Jackpot Party), but I do choose to play only at those where I feel I can trust the slots to give me a truly random game experience.

 

[Warnja]

Lost all my money there i think need to stop deposit there

 

[skiny]

Personally, I think it's just the lack of bonus features. Without the bonus features to give your balance that boost every now and then the slot games will just 95 or 97% you down to zero.

Even the sessions that I get lots of play time I still never see any real increase because there are no bonus features. My balance just goes up and down 50 cents, more down than up until I'm broke.

And yes, that's the way it's supposed to work but if it's going to work that way every single time there's not much point in playing.

So I just play elsewhere.

 

[Balthazar]

Regarding MG's randomness.

Would anyone believe me if I'd say that a couple of months ago, I've got the free spins 6 times in less than 50 spins on Cashapillar, and the first 5 times it gave basically nothing (less than $20 on a $1 bet) and on the 6th time, it gave $580?

After that, it went completely dead.

I'm not saying that it was doing its best to give me a big win by re-triggering the free spins all the time (it was ridiculous), but it sure looked like it.

Wasn't at 32Red, but it really happened.

 

[Slotster!]

Regarding MG's randomness.

Would anyone believe me if I'd say that a couple of months ago, I've got the free spins 6 times in less than 50 spins on Cashapillar, and the first 5 times it gave basically nothing (less than $20 on a $1 bet) and on the 6th time, it gave $580?

Then it went completely dead.

I'm not saying that it was doing its best to give me a big win by re-triggering the free spins all the time (it was ridiculous), but it sure looked like it.

Wasn't at 32Red, but it really happened.

OF COURSE I BELIEVE YOU.

IT'S A SLOT MACHINE.

THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN.

"Doing its best to give me a big win"

Are you people on crack!?

Jesus wept.

 

[Nifty29]

Regarding MG's randomness.

Would anyone believe me if I'd say that a couple of months ago, I've got the free spins 6 times in less than 50 spins on Cashapillar, and the first 5 times it gave basically nothing (less than $20 on a $1 bet) and on the 6th time, it gave $580?

After that, it went completely dead.

I'm not saying that it was doing its best to give me a big win by re-triggering the free spins all the time (it was ridiculous), but it sure looked like it.

Wasn't at 32Red, but it really happened.

WOW!!

That's amazing!!

Have you got the screenshots??

I think that is definitely rigged.

 

[Seventh777]

WOW!!

That's amazing!!

Have you got the screenshots??

I think that is definitely rigged.

I think you may be onto something here m8ty......

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/5-scatter-5-wilds-screenshots.14243/ .

 

[Balthazar]

WOW!!

That's amazing!!

Have you got the screenshots??

I think that is definitely rigged.

Triggering the bonus 6 times in 48 "paid" spins with 2 retriggers inside the free spins is amazing indeed, especially that it totally ended as soon as I got a big win. I didn't say that it was rigged and I was just sharing my experience. Thanks for the sarcastic reply, though.

 

[Balthazar]

I think you may be onto something here m8ty......

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/5-scatter-5-wilds-screenshots.14243/ .

What are you implying?

 

[Seventh777]

What are you implying?

The irony (not you in particular) , tell you what, go browse through the screenshot posts, see how many originate from the 32Red group, and then think of the title of this thread.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

To be fair its a lot easier for those that do get the odd decent result to have a pop at those that don't (and I'm not talking about those that deposit once every 4 weeks).

I don't think its rigged,but I'm just sick of getting the same result time after time,I seem to really struggle at any MG casino.


Yesterday again,deposited £20 took a 50% bonus-within 20 mins I was logging out-same result-(every) different day.

When I first started playing I was getting regular 5-8 hours of play from these sort of deposits,of course I didn't expect this to be the case everytime I deposited.In the last 2-3 months I think I can recall one 7 hour session,didn't w/d but wasn't too bothered as I felt it had been worth it seeing as it had saved me from having to view David Dickinson's real deal.

Its probably better if those of us that have this horrendous luck just try a different platform for a few months,couldn't get any worse after all.....Touch wood.

 

[Slotster!]

Its probably better if those of us that have this horrendous luck just try a different platform for a few months,couldn't get any worse after all.....Touch wood.

See, this isn't a bad idea...

Chopping and changing, mixing it up a bit is never a bad thing. Not because one platform is rigged and the other isn't or whatever - it just makes life more interesting and the whole thing more fun. Plus you will avoid spiral patterns on 'familiar' slots. I bet the backend systems at online casinos can pinpoint a player immediately just based on an hour or so pattern of play.

I've known gamblers that will only use the same branch of a specific bookies because it was 'lucky'... In fact there was a thread somewhere about rituals which I light heartedly participated in... I think it was CheekyMonkey saying he HAD to light a cigarette if the Freespins hit etc etc... That sort of thing.

We're mental. The lot of us.

 

[Pinababy69]

OF COURSE I BELIEVE YOU.

IT'S A SLOT MACHINE.

THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPEN.

"Doing its best to give me a big win"

Are you people on crack!?

Jesus wept.

Jesus wasn't alone Slotster. When I read this post, I laughed so hard I cried.

 

[Nifty29]

To be fair its a lot easier for those that do get the odd decent result to have a pop at those that don't (and I'm not talking about those that deposit once every 4 weeks).

I don't think its rigged,but I'm just sick of getting the same result time after time,I seem to really struggle at any MG casino.


Yesterday again,deposited £20 took a 50% bonus-within 20 mins I was logging out-same result-(every) different day.

When I first started playing I was getting regular 5-8 hours of play from these sort of deposits,of course I didn't expect this to be the case everytime I deposited.In the last 2-3 months I think I can recall one 7 hour session,didn't w/d but wasn't too bothered as I felt it had been worth it seeing as it had saved me from having to view David Dickinson's real deal.

Its probably better if those of us that have this horrendous luck just try a different platform for a few months,couldn't get any worse after all.....Touch wood.

Your problem IMO is expectation.

$30 isn't going to last ANYONE very long, and if you low roll, your chances of winning something cashable, say $150, are very slim. Even a rare 200xbet is only a $60 win at 30c.

You'll never win anything decent with such small deposits and bets....and the restrictions of a bonus.

 

[skiny]

You'll never win anything decent without bonus features and this software hands them out much less than any software I've ever used.

One last session before uninstalling the casino. I wagered 126 dollars worth of spins ranging from 20c to 9c and managed 2 bonus features that paid less than 15 dollars combined.

One feature in Kathmandu at the start of the session and one in Tally Ho just before I went broke. None in between.

Bonus features on these slot games seem to show up about every 500 spins if you're lucky. Sometimes it's twice that.

Sure if you're low rolling you're probably not going to hit the 150 dollar bonus feature but you should at least hit one before you lose 10x what you can possibly win. If bonus features are going to consistently pay between 5x and 30x your wager they shouldn't consistently cost between 50x and 300x your wager to hit them.

I've had more withdrawals playing Playtech in the last 3 months than I've had playing MGS in the last 5 years and made hundreds more deposits with MGS which is why I consider the software a waste of time.

If you can win using this software then by all means keep playing but in my experience it's just an exercise an exersize in futility.

 

[Nifty29]

One last session before uninstalling the casino. I wagered 126 dollars worth of spins ranging from 20c to 9c and managed 2 bonus features that paid less than 15 dollars combined.

.

You hit 2 bonus features in $126 of wagering (you didn't say how many spins). Big deal. Nothing dodgy there. It happens in ALL other software and it WILL happen at Playtech. I'll wait for the thread you start about it in a few months.

Assuming your average spin is .15c (from your spin range), you hit 100x your average bet in 2 features.....not too shabby at all. I'd settle for that on a consistent basis.

If bonus features are going to consistently pay between 5x and 30x your wager they shouldn't consistently cost between 50x and 300x your wager to hit them.

Absolutely.

The features should pay between 5x and 30x your wager and cost between 5x and 30x your wager to hit them.

I'm surprised a casino hasn't created such slots yet...they would be a really money spinner

 

[Jennifer]

I uninstalled 3Dice at the same time I uninstalled all MG casinos and I haven't been back since

I did this too quite awhile ago with the casino's you mention. Some people get upset and tbh I used too. But it was for the better. The absolute mind boggling losing streaks on these casino's made me a better person. I got so fed up with losing thousands and thousands of dollars with very little payouts that I quit gambling entirely. If it wasnt for these bad runs I think I would still be bleeding money when I knew I had to quit.

Bad luck can really suck and sting. But whoever said gambling was ever a guarantee?

You either have to keep on trucking or give it up if you cant handle the heat!

Sometimes I feel like depositing $25 just to have a bit of fun but I decide to hold off and stay away. Why? I know that $25 can go in a blink of an eye and sometimes give you zero entertainment, Thats when you start depositing more and more just for an eventful time and before you know it, youre right back where you started,

Sorry I went a little off topic. In all, if you arent prepared to have terrible runs you may as well never pick up the dice!

 

[KasinoKing]

Triggering the bonus 6 times in 48 "paid" spins with 2 retriggers inside the free spins is amazing indeed, especially that it totally ended as soon as I got a big win. I didn't say that it was rigged and I was just sharing my experience. Thanks for the sarcastic reply, though.

FYI the chances of getting the free-spins on Cashapillar is once in 169 spins.
I once has the free-spins, and on the very next pull I got them again!
That can happen (obviously), as can going for 500+ spins without getting the feature or any decent wins. Even getting the free-spins does not guarantee a big win, that's why this slot has slipped from being one of my favourite games in 2009 to just a "occasional flutter" one now...

KK

 

[Seventh777]

FYI the chances of getting the free-spins on Cashapillar is once in 169 spins.
I once has the free-spins, and on the very next pull I got them again!
That can happen (obviously), as can going for 500+ spins without getting the feature or any decent wins. Even getting the free-spins does not guarantee a big win, that's why this slot has slipped from being one of my favourite games in 2009 to just a "occasional flutter" one now...

KK

You will never get the true odds of hitting 3 scatters, it`s a no-brainer. The odds are worked out, as per numbers of scatters per reel, and number of slot spaces available (most cases 15), like you stated these odds on Cashapillar are 169/1, but, here`s the kicker, you have hit 2 scatters on reels 1 and 2, you now have 3 reels left to hit one scatter, do the maths, for arguments sake the odds of hitting the 1st two on reels 1 and 2 are 5x5 = 25/1, there isn`t a bookmaker in the world that would give you the odds of the remaining equation 169 - 25 = 144/1 to hit one scatter from any of the last 3 reels, catch my drift ?

 

[skiny]

You hit 2 bonus features in $126 of wagering (you didn't say how many spins). Big deal. Nothing dodgy there. It happens in ALL other software and it WILL happen at Playtech. I'll wait for the thread you start about it in a few months.

Assuming your average spin is .15c (from your spin range), you hit 100x your average bet in 2 features.....not too shabby at all. I'd settle for that on a consistent basis.



Absolutely.

The features should pay between 5x and 30x your wager and cost between 5x and 30x your wager to hit them.

I'm surprised a casino hasn't created such slots yet...they would be a really money spinner

$11 @ 27c per spin = 40x (roughly)
$4 @ 9c per spin = 44x (roughly)

$126 average spin 20c + 500 spins (roughly) One bonus at the start, one at the end. Almost 500 spins between them.

500 spins = 500x my wager. (roughly)

Every time someone says they have a bad experience or many bad experiences you automatically call them conspiracy theorists. I never claimed there was something dodgy. I never claimed anything was fixed. I said this is how all my sessions go. It really is ok for someone to say they don't like or don't have much luck using a particular brand of software. It's ok for someone to share a negative experience. You seem to come here with a preconceived notion of what everyone is thinking even when they don't type it. You're very good at reading between the lines even when there's nothing there.

Personally, I don't mind. It keeps the threads interesting when I have to come back and correct your assumptions and I always know which posts will require this regardless of how carefully they're worded. Maybe one day I'll just pop in and openly claim a conspiracy just to see if you actually implode.