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2020/21 premier league and any football elsewhere discussion

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goatwack said:
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Yep that is gonna be a MEME.

Oh it probably already is!

I am truly saddened tonight by the disaster of a defeat and OLE HAS TO GO!
 
Kenji85 said:
I can see no way Ole survives this. Its bad to lose at home to Liverpool but this performance is so far beyond pathetic. Outplayed from minute one.

With all the goodwill in the world and credit he has in the bank you still have to think a change in management is afoot
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Steve Bruce was spotted in Trafford at 8pm this evening so I hear
 
geordiecolin said:
If I was Bruce I would use some of that 8 mil pay off to set up and fund a local charity. To me such a pay off for failure is simply gross :mad:
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Hardly Bruce's fault. He got offered the terms in the contract in the first place.

It's not like other managers haven't been going from club to club looking for severance payouts?

Added to that, it happens in pretty much all industries towards the top of the pyramid. Just look at failed CEOs who failed their businesses walking away with 7 figure sums...

Capitalism on steroids I'm afraid.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
Hardly Bruce's fault. He got offered the terms in the contract in the first place.

It's not like other managers haven't been going from club to club looking for severance payouts?

Added to that, it happens in pretty much all industries towards the top of the pyramid. Just look at failed CEOs who failed their businesses walking away with 7 figure sums...

Capitalism on steroids I'm afraid.
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I never suggested it didn't happen across the board where they can get it but it doesn't make it right or fair to your average supporter or a companies lowly worker
 
Gary Neville's usually ok and accurate with his assessments, but his love for his former bum chum team mates knows no bounds.

At least Roy Keane would tell you how it is, no-nonsense and no wheels in sight
 
goatwack said:
Gary Neville's usually ok and accurate with his assessments, but his love for his former bum chum team mates knows no bounds.

At least Roy Keane would tell you how it is, no-nonsense and no wheels in sight
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Gary Neville is nothing more than an irritant these days (a lot of the fan base feel the same). How he can’t see that Ole is miles away from being a top manager is beyond my comprehension.
 
Mr_Slot5 said:
Gary Neville is nothing more than an irritant these days (a lot of the fan base feel the same). How he can’t see that Ole is miles away from being a top manager is beyond my comprehension.
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He's obviously blinkered and wears his Ole rose-tinted glasses whenever he's up for criticism. He's lost all objectivity, but probably believes Ole'd grow into becoming a top manager, just like Arsenal are doing with Arteta etc

Problem is Man U are too big a club to let wallow in fanciful rebuilding projects, and pretty much most of their coaching staff is comprised of 30-somethings with no real street-smarts (Carrick, McKenna) and so forth.

Tuchel's proven that you can get a big name to a big club from another big club and forge a championship- challenging team almost overnight.

Conte would be a superb replacement, ultimately, the likes of which Man U should have Ole & co learning off as they cut their teeth. Not Molde > Cardiff > arguably the biggest club in football
 
I thought nuno would do well moving up the football ladder, spurs are starting to become a toxic sacking club, where ending outside the top 5 probably means the boot. Somebody like eddie howe might be a decent punt, but I guess they'll go for a proven title winning coach from italy or spain.

Should have let kane go as well, he cost them nothing, has bust a gut scoring tons, and the price offered was reasonable for somebody whose physical peak and sprightliness is not in front of him. It's his playing career, now his market transfer fee is probably millions less than the 100+m tabled by man city.
 
Well it looks like we're getting Eddie Howe after all!

I thought he did well at his two stints at Bournemouth, and was extremely unlucky with his injury- ravaged squad towards the tail- end of his latter tenure.

Was once regarded as one of England's brightest managerial prospects, and he has relegation battle war- weariness in spades, so it should be a good fit.....

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goatwack said:
Well it looks like we're getting Eddie Howe after all!

I thought he did well at his two stints at Bournemouth, and was extremely unlucky with his injury- ravaged squad towards the tail- end of his latter tenure.

Was once regarded as one of England's brightest managerial prospects, and he has relegation battle war- weariness in spades, so it should be a good fit.....

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they showed intent unai emery, we failed move on! It’s not going to be easy at all but after Mike Ashley well….
I expect relegation this season I don’t want or wish for it just the odds are stacked against us! Newcastle United has and never will be easy but Eddie Howe will have my full support and every other true supporter. ?
 
mack341 said:
The premier league is starting to get interesting again as a competition, I may even re-don my john motson sheepskin next season and take on the fpl's top flight once more :cool: :laugh:
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Don't do it.

Fpl is literally destroying my soul.

Fixtures,form,price changes and worst of all you end with a vested interest in some random game because your 4.0m defender is starting and need him to get a clean sheet :laugh:
 
goatwack said:
Well it looks like we're getting Eddie Howe after all!

I thought he did well at his two stints at Bournemouth, and was extremely unlucky with his injury- ravaged squad towards the tail- end of his latter tenure.

Was once regarded as one of England's brightest managerial prospects, and he has relegation battle war- weariness in spades, so it should be a good fit.....

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I think that he is a quality manager who deserves a crack at managing big team players.

I'm hope I don't seem too salty but I think that when the keeper is the last line of defense and brings down a player with a clear goal scoring opportunity being sent of and a free kick is not enough.
It should be a penalty even if it was outside of the box :sniper:
 
geordiecolin said:
I think that he is a quality manager who deserves a crack at managing big team players.

I'm hope I don't seem too salty but I think that when the keeper is the last line of defense and brings down a player with a clear goal scoring opportunity being sent of and a free kick is not enough.
It should be a penalty even if it was outside of the box :sniper:
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What you have to take into consideration is that goalkeepers aren't real footballers - I should know, I was one

Once outside that box they become lost. It's like stepping into Narnia for most of them. So give 'em a break, yeah? :p
 
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What you have to take into consideration is that goalkeepers aren't real footballers - I should know, I was one

Once outside that box they become lost. It's like stepping into Narnia for most of them. So give 'em a break, yeah? :p
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Ha ha ha. I laughed out loud. I often played in goal but preferred to play on the left. My great uncle was Sam Bartram who was so famed that Charlton have a statue of him outside their stadium.

Quick question. Has any goalkeeper ever scored more than one goal for their own team in a match?
 
Was just going to remark at my perceived failing eyesight when I thought I saw Norwich win a game earlier. Away at Brentford too.

So then I'm almost convinced I've gone insane - or that my partner had spiked my tea with LSD - when reading that Norwich have sacked their manager? What the Farke's going on?

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goatwack said:
Was just going to remark at my perceived failing eyesight when I thought I saw Norwich win a game earlier. Away at Brentford too.

So then I'm almost convinced I've gone insane - or that my partner had spiked my tea with LSD - when reading that Norwich have sacked their manager? What the Farke's going on?

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It is not your drinking that you have to worry about. It's what Delia has had,

 
Don't you just love the open-source fountain of knowledge that is Wikipedia?

To think, that would actually be a great appointment. Maybe a premonition......

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And no, it wasn't me, before anyone asks :mad:

Anyway, rumours are that it's likely Fat Frank the P.E Teacher will be next in line, or even Nuno Esposito. You heard it here first
 
What does Delia expect, putting pressure on the top teams, Farke has done well to get them promoted twice. Limphard may be a worthwhile gamble, managing Chelsea is not really a fair test for a young coach.

I think Howe is a sensible move by the toon, ideally a new keegan with the local connections would've been waiting in the wings but can't see any.
 
Well, what were they hoping for? Stevie won the Scottish Premiership, what else can you achieve with the Rangers? It was clear that his return to the Premier League was only a matter of time, as for any English player or coach. Even working in a non-top EPL team is now much more prestigious than in a Scottish top club.
 
Good luck to him at Villa he will need it.

He might have won the league at Rangers but does not seem capable of motivating players. Also every big match that mattered like cup games he lost as manager. Last season he managed an unbeaten run in a league with no fans or pressure at games.

Where this season with return of fans all the defensive mistakes that were glaring the season before last are back. With same team as last year with a few additions the attacking style from last season is gone.

Personally with Rangers underperforming this season and Gerrard seemingly unable to change things for the club it might be best thing him leaving.

Think Villa made a mistake appointing him. Alright saying he won the league at Rangers last year but it was 1 out of 10 trophies in his time here. Domestic cups the players bottled every semi final. Even this season qualifying for Champions league was what he wanted.

Yet his team blew it big time at home against a poor Malmo side. 1 0 up against 10 men and losing the match. No passion at all from players and he was unable to lift them. Since then about 2 decent performances in league all season.
 
paul7388 said:
Good luck to him at Villa he will need it.

He might have won the league at Rangers but does not seem capable of motivating players. Also every big match that mattered like cup games he lost as manager. Last season he managed an unbeaten run in a league with no fans or pressure at games.

Where this season with return of fans all the defensive mistakes that were glaring the season before last are back. With same team as last year with a few additions the attacking style from last season is gone.

Personally with Rangers underperforming this season and Gerrard seemingly unable to change things for the club it might be best thing him leaving.

Think Villa made a mistake appointing him. Alright saying he won the league at Rangers last year but it was 1 out of 10 trophies in his time here. Domestic cups the players bottled every semi final. Even this season qualifying for Champions league was what he wanted.

Yet his team blew it big time at home against a poor Malmo side. 1 0 up against 10 men and losing the match. No passion at all from players and he was unable to lift them. Since then about 2 decent performances in league all season.
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Yes the fanless games last year produced many strange results in the premier also, lots more goals in general. I did have a feeling/worry that gerrard may not be the new dalglish or prodigal son for lfc, going to find out really quick how good he is now. I wonder if john terry is still the villa assistant?
 
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A cynic would say he jumped at a chance to leave as he knew the next two games are must win and if the team lost his reputation would be tarnished and pressure would have been on him.

The next game after the break is a cup semi final against hibs. His record so far is losing every one he has managed. Then straight after is a must win game against Sparta Prague at Ibrox. And as his team has played bad every European game this season anything but a convincing win would have had fans turning on him. The atmosphere at Ibrox is toxic at the best of times.
 
I thought he pulled up trees at Rangers from what I observed. Looked like Celtic were never going to be challenged after winning what seems like 60 titles in a row! Ranger's ascension may be in part down to Celtic's own problems however, last 3-4 years they haven't seemed quite as invulnerable.....

They say winning the league is the 'easy' part, defending titles is where it's at. Who can forget Chelsea's mid-table capitulation after lifting the title, even Man City struggle to emulate their own standards.

Scottish teams get a rough deal when it comes to Champions League qualification too, so I'd imagine if that fails (and most teams in it will have some pedigree) then the slog of a two-horse domestic title race becomes rather wearisome after a while.

Ultimately, the Scottish league is a farmer's league where managers go to build their standing in the game, or to repair it, a la Brendan Rogers, Martin O'Neill etc. Gerrard's Villa won't set the Premier League alight but they'll be better off for having had him cut his teeth in Scotland. Much like I expect Lampard at Norwich to help him develop as a manager as opposed to being thrust into a top job too early.
 
mack341 said:
Yes the fanless games last year produced many strange results in the premier also, lots more goals in general. I did have a feeling/worry that gerrard may not be the new dalglish or prodigal son for lfc, going to find out really quick how good he is now. I wonder if john terry is still the villa assistant?
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Mack 2 seasons ago he kept changing his team every week as seemed he could not decide his best team. Last year with no fans he kept basically same team each week. Ibrox when players make a mistake is poisonous. One bad pass and fans are on players back .

This season the team has not played well. Pressure back on. And he was back to same as 2 seasons ago changing team every week. Okay injuries mean changes. But he started changing defence every week. Even goalkeepers are getting rotated regularly. Sorry but any manager knows you need a settled defence. Yet this year it shows change defence every week and you lose goals. Also seems incapable of changing formation of team.
 
goatwack said:
I thought he pulled up trees at Rangers from what I observed. Looked like Celtic were never going to be challenged after winning what seems like 60 titles in a row! Ranger's ascension may be in part down to Celtic's own problems however, last 3-4 years they haven't seemed quite as invulnerable.....

They say winning the league is the 'easy' part, defending titles is where it's at. Who can forget Chelsea's mid-table capitulation after lifting the title, even Man City struggle to emulate their own standards.

Scottish teams get a rough deal when it comes to Champions League qualification too, so I'd imagine if that fails (and most teams in it will have some pedigree) then the slog of a two-horse domestic title race becomes rather wearisome after a while.

Ultimately, the Scottish league is a farmer's league where managers go to build their standing in the game, or to repair it, a la Brendan Rogers, Martin O'Neill etc. Gerrard's Villa won't set the Premier League alight but they'll be better off for having had him cut his teeth in Scotland. Much like I expect Lampard at Norwich to help him develop as a manager as opposed to being thrust into a top job too early.
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Celtic made the mistake of going with Lennon again. That and an aging poor team with no investment. Instead of improving team Celtic went with same players last year with a poor Manager. Rangers dominated league yes but it was a league played in front of empty stadiums. Instead of building on last year the football played by Rangers this year has been terrible.

But every crunch game like cup semi finals etc. when fans were desperate for the first trophy the team bottled it. It is alright saying Gerrard brought them back. But to be honest after getting back into top league and improving squad it was always going to be few years till they improved and most managers would have done the same.
 
It's rigged against us I tell ya. First Coutinho doesn't want to play for us, and now we're offering players like Axel Witsel £190K p/w in sheer desperation!

Knowing Newcastle, their brave new era will start with a last-minute draw against Brentford tomorrow :eek:
 
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