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I noticed that Google ads were overlaying many of my videos with casino ad banners for 888 and the like! Quite ironic....
YouTube - they did it again. Banning Slot Reviews
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Doesn't really mean or hint anything. For years ads by Virgin media and Sky appeared on pirate stream sites streaming their content for FREE. Only took several years and the police involved to stop this, so certain ads appearing on certain content is not always down to the brand/ad network delib targeting those videos/sites.
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Well clearly you don't know how targeted ads work on all social media and free apps (like yahoo mail etc) platforms. The ads you see are affected by content, content tags, viewer search words or even products/services you yourself have recently searched in Google or elsewhere.
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Considering the ridiculous size of the bets Roshstein does, I don’t get how has managed to avoid the ban hammer, yet other small fry seems to have been penalised
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Why are people claiming some streamers like Rosh are fake and what do you mean by that? I have read claims about every single popular slot streamer that they're fake but haven't seen a single piece of evidence. Going around claiming someone is fake, playing with play money or whatever based on their betsize, reactions to wins on stream and so on is absolutely insane and that's basically all I've seen.
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Roshtein is the biggest scam player going if you think he's legit then there is something wrong a bankrupt player doing £100 spins haha he does make me laff
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Plus it is the links under vids you tube dnt like. Hench the banning stop and step still alive he does vids every day in the bookies no ban there for him just put vids up without links job done 
We're talking playing balances over 30,000 on a regular basis. His viewing numbers also require questioning because the chat activity doesn't match the viewing numbers. There are things called "viewbots" that artificially boost viewing numbers, in turn it resulting in the stream being listed at the top of the table of current live streams.
I am not questioning the entertainment value that he provides, because he does that pretty well. But it would be nice if it was with his own money at risk, just like all other streamers do.
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Plus it is the links under vids you tube dnt like. Hench the banning stop and step still alive he does vids every day in the bookies no ban there for him just put vids up without links job done
He has a link to a casino under his vids. And the same link as a pinned message too.
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I guess Roshtein survives since his fanbase consists of 14 year old boys or something. Maybe YouTube sees him as a parody gambler LOL
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So because he does high bets and often has a balance in the tens of thousands it has to mean it's fake money is that what you're saying? I noticed a couple of new streams popping up on twitch that have very obvious chatbots repeating the same phrases all the time and those most likely have viewbots as well and the chatbots are there just to make the viewer number look more legit. Not really seeing anything like that on any of the guys that have been streaming for a while but I guess you can never be absolutely sure.
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Affiliate managers have told streamers that alot of that section is fakes. Ive seen the emails sent to one of my streamer friends. Asking him to play with fake money/test account and affiliate for them. hes had emails from about 8 casinos asking this. Some well known. And when he refused they acted shocked and said they work with some of the bigger streamers and they all do it. Slotsmillion rep has said streamers have approached them for fake money. Leo vegas funded a streamer fake money awhile ago. If they are approaching a channel with average of 60 viewers. Think of the offers bigger channels get.
They use viewbots to get to the top of the channel so newbies or whatever see them first and click on them. This gives them more exposure for their affiliate links.
No names are mentioned but when reps and affiliate managers say most of the section is fake and the bigger streamers use test accounts, you have to assume who is fake and who is not. Ill go with people playing in one casino doing big bets everyday.
You can lose $50,000 a year playing on small bets everyday. You think these guys doing 20 euro spins 12 hours a day on slots is believable at all?
Now these clowns are starting to use re-runs with viewbots to attract viewers to their affiliate crap even when sleeping. And the entire upper half is fake with viewbots trying to shun out the smaller channels. Sad.
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I wonder if the giveaway contests for signing up to a casino were part of the issue as apparently all contests on youtube have to be free to enter?
edit: before anyone who read the comments under webzcas's dunover vid ponders or asks I'm not seth gecko either
edit: before anyone who read the comments under webzcas's dunover vid ponders or asks I'm not seth gecko either
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We know you're not mate....I wonder if the giveaway contests for signing up to a casino were part of the issue as apparently all contests on youtube have to be free to enter?
edit: before anyone who read the comments under webzcas's dunover vid ponders or asks I'm not seth gecko either
I wonder if the giveaway contests for signing up to a casino were part of the issue as apparently all contests on youtube have to be free to enter?
edit: before anyone who read the comments under webzcas's dunover vid ponders or asks I'm not seth gecko either
Yes, that was part of the problem and some of the beef the group that is targeting the channels had earlier this year. The streamers listened, sought advice and most, if not all, made a free way to enter available. That complies with the rules and regulations, because if there is no free way to enter it more likely than not means you need a license to run the giveaway/raffle.
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Exactly right, still waiting for Captain Rizk to tell me what the legal department came back with when I pointed this out to him, from when Rizk did this with one of the streamers a couple of Christmas's ago. If there is no free way to enter, then it would likely be classed as an illegal lottery.
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So how does it work? When these streamers appear to do skrill deposits and withdrawals that appear in their casino transaction statement/history the casinos are putting through fake transactions? The casinos are giving their account a mix of real money and bonus money as balance so it appears normal but it's actually play money? Or are those transactions legitimate but casino is providing the money and taking the withdrawals? Some streamers have shown their Skrill / Bank acc statements too. Are you saying these people get the money on their bank/skrill but are actually sending it back after? I'd love for someone to leak some of those emails if they haven't already I would probably stop playing at any casino that I know is a part of such deals if they exist.
In the case of Rosh I think he's receiving 300% deposit bonuses and does 1k deposits for a 4k starting balance and 120k wager. I haven't watched him that much but still I've seen him lose something like 5 of those 4k balances in 15mins because he's playing with high bets and it looks like he's lost 20k but he's only risked 5k of his own money. If you do that several times though it's not unlikely at all to get something like a 100-200x win which would give you a decent balance to play with at those 20e-100e stakes. I've read on this forum many times that good welcome bonuses do actually cost the casinos a decent amount of money on average. Surely a 300% bonus up to 3k with no max bet and 30x d+b wager would cost the casino a lot more so if that's what he's getting it's not surprising to me he's making money by playing them using the generally agreed upon optimal strategy of doing higher risk bets until you reach a good balance and then lowering the risk to make the wager. If he is supplementing his deposits with his affiliate money and I don't think any of us know how much he makes it doesn't really seem like an impossible scenario.
If it's all fake money and I'm not yet very convinced of that he's still lucky enough to complete those wagers and reach those high balances on the same slots everyone else plays unless you claim that the casinos are also letting these fake streamers play with the famous increased rtp slots.
In the case of Rosh I think he's receiving 300% deposit bonuses and does 1k deposits for a 4k starting balance and 120k wager. I haven't watched him that much but still I've seen him lose something like 5 of those 4k balances in 15mins because he's playing with high bets and it looks like he's lost 20k but he's only risked 5k of his own money. If you do that several times though it's not unlikely at all to get something like a 100-200x win which would give you a decent balance to play with at those 20e-100e stakes. I've read on this forum many times that good welcome bonuses do actually cost the casinos a decent amount of money on average. Surely a 300% bonus up to 3k with no max bet and 30x d+b wager would cost the casino a lot more so if that's what he's getting it's not surprising to me he's making money by playing them using the generally agreed upon optimal strategy of doing higher risk bets until you reach a good balance and then lowering the risk to make the wager. If he is supplementing his deposits with his affiliate money and I don't think any of us know how much he makes it doesn't really seem like an impossible scenario.
If it's all fake money and I'm not yet very convinced of that he's still lucky enough to complete those wagers and reach those high balances on the same slots everyone else plays unless you claim that the casinos are also letting these fake streamers play with the famous increased rtp slots.
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If you're already getting a non publicly available deposit bonus with special terms I don't see why they couldn't have changed those too and I don't even know if the casinos he plays at have such terms. I also don't think many casinos would consider you a bonus abuser and deny your withdrawal if you did 50c-1e bets and changed to doing 20c bets after a big win because I've done that countless times with a bonus and it's never been a problem. His case would be the same just with 100x bigger amounts. Sure there might be some casinos that do that but I'm sure a streamer can find a casino to agree to not have such terms on their bonuses.
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A well known streamer has been bonus banned at one of the casino's he was playing at on a daily basis. He had unlimited 100% match bonuses and didn't have a max bet cap on his bonus money and would do €20 bets on a high variance games like BOD, Minotauros or Slotomoji until he hit a big one. Then started wagering at bets that were atleast 5 times lower. He admitted he made a shitload of money that way
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A well known streamer has been bonus banned at one of the casino's he was playing at on a daily basis. He had unlimited 100% match bonuses and didn't have a max bet cap on his bonus money and would do €20 bets on a high variance games like BOD, Minotauros or Slotomoji until he hit a big one. Then started wagering at bets that were atleast 5 times lower. He admitted he made a shitload of money that way
I've heard Roshtein mention in a stream that he has a deal with the casino that they can't simply walk away from or go changing his bonus terms. Sure he could be lying but if he is getting those bonuses he says he's getting then surely he'd be making even more money than this other streamer getting 100% bonuses.
I've also heard some smaller streamers mention having deals like getting a weekly or monthly or whatever no deposit bonus for say 100€ with a max cashout of 2k and they're streaming their session plus making a vid for youtube. Why would a casino go through all the effort of having someone play with play money but having it appear real in every way instead of just giving a no deposit bonus? I mean maybe they they do but it doesn't seem like a risk that is worth it. One small slip up from the streamer showing something that proves it's not real could cost them real money by tarnishing their reputation online.
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The problem with Roshtein is that his past isn't very clean, that's why alot of people won't believe what he is saying. The casino's he promotes aren't the most sincere either from what I've heard but I have to admit tho I don't watch his streams because I simply don't like his style of streaming and playing.
Don't forget that most of the (medium to big) streamers will have unlimited bonuses but their wagering is much bigger as when a regular player will get a bonus, but due to the fact their bonuses are always 100% match and unlimited they stand a good chance to recoup their losses or even make a profit of playing slots on top of affilliation revenue.
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I would be fine with YouTube removing all gambling releated content if they decided that they do not want to have that sort of content on their site. However, there is no consistency whatsoever in this matter. People get banned at random, some get their Account restored, others dont... seemingly nobody knows whats actually happening.
If they are still banning people, why have some channels been restored? I truly dont understand what they are doing.
If they are still banning people, why have some channels been restored? I truly dont understand what they are doing.
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Prize draws are a grey area, it was me that originally pointed out that quite possibly in the UK they would breach laws. Then again, with a multinational audience not everything can be UK-centric. When I did my two raffles, the money and draw was based overseas and I wasn't funding any prizes but UK players could enter (and indeed won every prize!) so I was possibly in breach somewhere along the line myself - who knows, it's moot now. I'm actually surprised this still goes on because the players recruited tend to be very low revenue and mainly deposit just the minimal amount to enter and this is far exceeded by the CPA payment in most cases.
I saw Toshtein in Amsterdam, just managed to avoid him unlike one unfortunate streamer who was less lucky.
The thing is YT have now removed many of the heavyweights of slots and streaming and whatever criticisms were made, they mostly tended to be compliant, responsible and honest. This has simply driven those seeking the slotting content elsewhere and many will end up being suckered by fakery, bent affiliates and casinos.
On the note of compliance, it can be logistically difficult on YT due to the limited text space and the fact that you can't use flash banners which may have the crucial terms as they change. It was easy enough to mark the windows 18+ gamble aware etc. as I did, but the tag link space when you posted on the right hand side would only fit one link whereas I needed two or three for the offer, general terms and bonus terms respectively. Like most I used various links under the hidden expandable section on the video and tried to make sure I was 'one click' as I used the bonus terms landing pages wherever possible. I accept this may not have been 100% on occasions and in the latter days I was simply just adding my approved verified website link and little or nothing else - then ironically, I got banned!
The two flagged videos were the last one I made with multiple links (fair enough) but the second was from ages ago, as if somebody had just gone down the list until they found another they could report lol.
I won't deny I did very well from using YT but I was spending significant cash making the videos, something I now don't need to do - which is why I haven't once played a deposit since the closure!
It'll reduce my sign-ups for sure, but my website traffic hasn't been affected other than marginally and the plus side is that I'm free from the commitment to create videos and the expense, with more time to get my head down for other tasks which are being smashed through lately!
I saw Toshtein in Amsterdam, just managed to avoid him unlike one unfortunate streamer who was less lucky.
The thing is YT have now removed many of the heavyweights of slots and streaming and whatever criticisms were made, they mostly tended to be compliant, responsible and honest. This has simply driven those seeking the slotting content elsewhere and many will end up being suckered by fakery, bent affiliates and casinos.
On the note of compliance, it can be logistically difficult on YT due to the limited text space and the fact that you can't use flash banners which may have the crucial terms as they change. It was easy enough to mark the windows 18+ gamble aware etc. as I did, but the tag link space when you posted on the right hand side would only fit one link whereas I needed two or three for the offer, general terms and bonus terms respectively. Like most I used various links under the hidden expandable section on the video and tried to make sure I was 'one click' as I used the bonus terms landing pages wherever possible. I accept this may not have been 100% on occasions and in the latter days I was simply just adding my approved verified website link and little or nothing else - then ironically, I got banned!
The two flagged videos were the last one I made with multiple links (fair enough) but the second was from ages ago, as if somebody had just gone down the list until they found another they could report lol.
I won't deny I did very well from using YT but I was spending significant cash making the videos, something I now don't need to do - which is why I haven't once played a deposit since the closure!
It'll reduce my sign-ups for sure, but my website traffic hasn't been affected other than marginally and the plus side is that I'm free from the commitment to create videos and the expense, with more time to get my head down for other tasks which are being smashed through lately!
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I haven't heard anything about his past the only reason I started to occasionally watch the guy was because of all the talk I was reading how it's foregone conclusion that he's not playing with real money and I wanted to see for myself but to me it looks plausible that it's all real. Something I don't like about him though is how he seemed to be claiming the moral high ground over other streamers because he is only promoting a couple casinos instead of many like other popular streamers. However the casinos he's promoting aren't really top tier going by any kind of measurement. Seeing as he's also mentioned that he can negotiate more favorable contracts because he's only focusing on a few casinos and that smaller casinos that are not so widely promoted by affiliates yet also agree to better terms for him it just seems like he's promoting those exact casinos because that's how he's making the most money. If at the same time you mention several times how you're not like those other casino streamers it just makes you seem like a hypocrite.
I'm definitely no fan of the guy but I'm simply not convinced he's playing with fake money. Not saying it's impossible but I haven't seen anything that would make me go yep he's definitely fake.
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They took ours down a couple years ago with no reason, we filed appeals and never got a response. I think a competitor had something to do with ours being removed.
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I wonder what’s going on nowadays in regards to YouTube bans on my side of the Atlantic. There’s very little information about the professional slot machine players who film or stream every second of their time in land-based casinos.
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I seem to remember a thread I can't find around Xmas 2016 where I was disagreeing with Captain Rizk about this type of thing. From memory he wouldn't confirm at first if the raffle by one of the streamers (Nickslots possibly?) was done under Rizk's license, then said it wasn't, which clearly made it illegal. He said he would check with his legal team and let us know what they said, still waiting for the answer. Needless to say, haven't seen Rizk being involved in one again.
Considering how much text some people have under videos I'm surprised there isn't enough space to put a few lines of T&C's. I haven't actually checked but always presumed you got quite a bit of text you could put there. Regardless though, the rules are clear, and if streamers and youtubers don't follow the CAP code then there will be more fines handed out. The knock on effect of that will be more casinos who close the affiliate schemes, or start being twats with the affiliates again, which will affect all of us (like me and you) who do follow the rules, and we will have to go through all that compliance shit again for months, because lazy affiliate managers cba to enforce the rules properly.
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That was one of my favourite paranoid sayings on my old videos - "The slots, the missus and cat are ALL conspiring against me..."
lockinlove
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To take the effort to even bother posting nonsense on a youtube video tells me they have issues. There is so many things to do in a day, doing that makes zero sense to me. Although, I do question why I argued in the Trump thread
But really, to take the effort to find the video, log in and post some miserable crap tells me all I need to know about those people. When I see something on youtube I dont like, I close it out and go about my day. Taking the time to trash someone just seems like a huge waste of time to me.
But to each their own I guess. I think they have lost at slots and quite mad about it. And quite possibly lost on one of dunovers links and now hate him for it. Its not like dunover has a huge following or anything there are hundreds of channels larger than his so the hate is obviously personal to cover his videos with all the negative stuff.
Lets be real here. If you have even the smallest of brains you have to know that playing slots is not in your favor and the chances of you losing is pretty high. Blaming someone else for your losses is just a sad attempt to avert blame onto others for your own idiotic mistakes.
And I know alot of you trolls are reading this thread. Grow up and get a job.
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Am I allowed to say I am happy for this?
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Since you haven't explained why you are happy about it? NO!
I dunno why it is worth the time to say you are happy without explaining it. There are many reasons why you wouldn't like slot videos on YouTube. Just come out and say it so we can understand.
I dunno why it is worth the time to say you are happy without explaining it. There are many reasons why you wouldn't like slot videos on YouTube. Just come out and say it so we can understand.
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But if you took the gambling videos on youtube as a whole, 80-90% of the sessions streamed or uploaded were winning videos, so there is a conflict there, with as you say, most people's experience is of losing, add to that the ever increasing stakes plus over the top imagery and clickbait used on many of the channels, and it was inevitable, to me at least, that things wouldn't carry on forever.
I would personally have preferred youtube to have regulated the channels with some sensible guidelines rather than just let each channel try and out do each other for big stakes and big wins, and then all of a sudden after years of everything being hunky-dory issuing bans left right and centre.
I think the writing was on the wall with YT and gambling content for a while now, I guess what's evident here is how quickly a channel can be yanked for the wrong reasons.
It's apparent the comments section is not regulated.....at all, and content uploaded to unmanageable levels. If enough people get together to organize the removal of content then I don't think YT have the motivation to sift through lengthy appeal processes. So anybody's fair game it seems
It's apparent the comments section is not regulated.....at all, and content uploaded to unmanageable levels. If enough people get together to organize the removal of content then I don't think YT have the motivation to sift through lengthy appeal processes. So anybody's fair game it seems
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FWIW I will be interviewing next week an individual who is of the view that slot channels and streamers in particular should be removed from YT.
Thankfully, this person comes across as articulate and intelligent, unlike some who have commented on the video I uploaded with Dunover.
Thankfully, this person comes across as articulate and intelligent, unlike some who have commented on the video I uploaded with Dunover.
Can't wait to hear someone try to convince me that I shouldn't watch something because he doesn't like it.
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Ok, so you can understand:
I don't think gambling should be marketed in this way. You simply don't get the product that you are "promised".
And before getting upset.
Gambling has many many positive and exciting sides, no doubt. And has and will exist as long as there are humans on this planet.
But the negative sides is way heavier than the positive ones.
And it grows to be a bigger issue for people every year. There are many newsarticles you can read, but you probably know this already.
Some of the biggest questions in my opinion is:
-How to protect people from getting addicted?
-How to make gambling more accepted?
And still have the same growth and income for the casinos.
It's all about balance, but the greed from the players and casinos is a hard nut to crack.
I am open to duscuss more about this if it interest you.
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Stop and Step's channel has also been banned now. Really enjoy his videos as we don't have those slots here at bookies or arcades.
Yep I just noticed that too , terminated due to policy violations.
I watch his videos quite a lot , much rather he plays the mega spins than me !
Think it is disgusting that in a supposed era of free speech, content gets blocked when it it totally legal and goes against any common sense . A few people dictating to the masses . Is this the state of the world to come ?
Also I read an article concerning Twitch recently , they are owned by Amazon, and they are looking to make it as big as YouTube . So don’t be surprised if the same censorship happens there.
Someone needs to make a competing platform for legal content , which won’t cater for the easily offended .
The world is starting to go mad .....
It is not as if he is promoting online gambling either ,he is in a high street bookies for fucks sake ...
I watch his videos quite a lot , much rather he plays the mega spins than me !
Think it is disgusting that in a supposed era of free speech, content gets blocked when it it totally legal and goes against any common sense . A few people dictating to the masses . Is this the state of the world to come ?
Also I read an article concerning Twitch recently , they are owned by Amazon, and they are looking to make it as big as YouTube . So don’t be surprised if the same censorship happens there.
Someone needs to make a competing platform for legal content , which won’t cater for the easily offended .
The world is starting to go mad .....
It is not as if he is promoting online gambling either ,he is in a high street bookies for fucks sake ...
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Probably going to be us who have small channels next.
Yet I see Casinodaddy is still managing to live stream on Youtube.
Looks like they have taken affiliate links out though, but still have website links in the description
Yet I see Casinodaddy is still managing to live stream on Youtube.
Looks like they have taken affiliate links out though, but still have website links in the description
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Dammit, I really liked Stop and Step. There's nowhere else to watch £50 Bookies' spins, (other than paying £50 a time which is ridiculous)
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I just had one of my Youtube videos completely ransacked and copyright notices all over it, seems Youtube are really changing at the moment, who knows what they will do next.
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He said he is now uploading them on his Facebook page for the time being.
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His videos are on his Facebook account now
