YouTube - they did it again. Banning Slot Reviews

[Webzcas]

You don't have a clue, do you feel by using the word snowflake you some how have a position of power above me. If I was a true snowflake I'd be calling for gambling to be banned.

I gamble more than anyone o n here but doesn't mean I want shitty gambling videos and affiliates spamming the crap out of it on YouTube.

Quite clear what the likes of YouTube and twitch are for and it's not for few people to try and get some addicts to sign up through their links.

None of them stream for fun or share videos for fun so of you going to try profit off these sites then upload content that allows this.

S

@nutnut are you the guy that commented on my videos, asking for a more in depth response from me last night ( Seth Gecko was the username ) ? If so, I can address your comments here. It appears who ever made the comments last night, has somehow deleted them. It wasn't me.

Seth Gecko stated he was a member here as well. You both have the same stance regards Streamers and Gambling YouTube Channels. Apologies if you are not Seth Gecko, but if you are, how come you deleted all your comments from the YouTube video?

 

[colinsunderland]

I don't have a problem with youtube videos showing big wins etc. I think we are getting closer and closer to a nanny state where we aren't allowed to breathe because it will offend someone, but I genuinely don't see a problem with the videos, especially considering some of the stuff on YT.

What I don't agree with is the ton of affiliate links that seem to go unchecked by affiliate managers. I had a look around some of the slots channels a couple of months ago and I didn't see a single one who was complying with the CAP code. Mind I do also think thats partly down to affiliate managers who still don't understand what you have to do, but, regardless, the affiliate should be aware of the rules and advertise accordingly, rather than blindly following what an AM tells them. (That actually applies to the majority of affiliate sites too). I can see some more large fines being handed out again before long, which, from my perspective, will mean more casinos dumping affiliates again.

The same comments regarding affiliate links apply to streamers, but from a personal point of view I'm less sure about them. I don't see how casinos are keeping check on what they do, and many of them certainly aren't promoting responsible gaming. Again though, I'm not one for liking censorship, and I'm sure theres worse out there, but when some affiliates have had accounts closed for not putting links to gambleaware on their sites, its a bit rich not to say anything to streamers playing £50 spins, when the whole point of the channel is promotion.

 

[dunover]

Just finished watching @Webzcas and @dunover video. So many valid points and still can't understand why it's been taken down. Makes no sense at all as each of the videos met responsible gambling guidelines and weren't pushing signups like some.

If you can't get access to your channel Dunover I have a copy of hundreds of your videos as I download everything I watch and store locally. I'm not a stalker

72GB is a hefty collection

That's great! I must admit despite 2TB storage etc. I never bothered to save them, as I knew there was a YT tool to download them. I'll PM you regarding this as there's a few I wouldn't mind retrieving. Good one!

 

[SpinUk]

You don't have a clue, do you feel by using the word snowflake you some how have a position of power above me. If I was a true snowflake I'd be calling for gambling to be banned.

I gamble more than anyone o n here but doesn't mean I want shitty gambling videos and affiliates spamming the crap out of it on YouTube.

Quite clear what the likes of YouTube and twitch are for and it's not for few people to try and get some addicts to sign up through their links.

None of them stream for fun or share videos for fun so of you going to try profit off these sites then upload content that allows this.

S

Whats it for then? Or should you be judge and jury on its purpose as you think you have the moral highground.

Shame on you and the rest of the jelous/bitter trolls.

 

[Deeplay]

You don't have a clue, do you feel by using the word snowflake you some how have a position of power above me. If I was a true snowflake I'd be calling for gambling to be banned.

I gamble more than anyone o n here but doesn't mean I want shitty gambling videos and affiliates spamming the crap out of it on YouTube.

Quite clear what the likes of YouTube and twitch are for and it's not for few people to try and get some addicts to sign up through their links.

None of them stream for fun or share videos for fun so of you going to try profit off these sites then upload content that allows this.

S

Your talking crap ... if you dont want to watch gambling videos on YT then dont! And it is total rubbish what you say of trying to get some addicts to sign up. Addicts will sign up anyway regardless unless they get help. They are streamers I cant stand to watch so I dont. Simple. Thats why we have the back button on browsers. So what also if they stream for profit ? nothing wrong in this what so ever. Youtube has never defined what it is for - thats what makes it so diverse. I detest censorship of any form. Your views are naive and short sighted at best.

 

[slotmaster]

It irks me as well that people get upset over youtubers/streamers that want to make money and whatnot. I am more talking about another community I am involved in but if they got a opportunity to do stuff and get paid why not? It does not bother me at all and I still enjoy the content.

 

[SpinUk]

It irks me as well that people get upset over youtubers/streamers that want to make money and whatnot. I am more talking about another community I am involved in but if they got a opportunity to do stuff and get paid why not? It does not bother me at all and I still enjoy the content.

Some people cant bear losing and equate streamers with profiting from their losses. Rather than take any personal responsibilty

 

[interlog]

I don't have a problem with youtube videos showing big wins etc. I think we are getting closer and closer to a nanny state where we aren't allowed to breathe because it will offend someone, but I genuinely don't see a problem with the videos, especially considering some of the stuff on YT.

What I don't agree with is the ton of affiliate links that seem to go unchecked by affiliate managers. I had a look around some of the slots channels a couple of months ago and I didn't see a single one who was complying with the CAP code. Mind I do also think thats partly down to affiliate managers who still don't understand what you have to do, but, regardless, the affiliate should be aware of the rules and advertise accordingly, rather than blindly following what an AM tells them. (That actually applies to the majority of affiliate sites too). I can see some more large fines being handed out again before long, which, from my perspective, will mean more casinos dumping affiliates again.

The same comments regarding affiliate links apply to streamers, but from a personal point of view I'm less sure about them. I don't see how casinos are keeping check on what they do, and many of them certainly aren't promoting responsible gaming. Again though, I'm not one for liking censorship, and I'm sure theres worse out there, but when some affiliates have had accounts closed for not putting links to gambleaware on their sites, its a bit rich not to say anything to streamers playing £50 spins, when the whole point of the channel is promotion.

Whilst you will never see me doing £50 spins (even if I could afford it!), it is all relative. If the streamer has the funds to do these £50 spins then how is that not responsible gambling?

I haven't heard any streamer glorifying gambling, telling their audience to do bigger bets (the opposite is true actually), tell them gambling is the way to riches etc.

I would actually say by watching a stream you see the reality of gambling, and that is more lost than winning deposits.

 

[Lincolnuk]

Im out on this one. To me someone streaming and cutting only big wins without showing the pitfalls should be banned as its hardly good for responsible gaming. As for players such as Dunover and a few overs they make it clear regarding this in some wonderful verbal ways.

Each to there own

 

[Deeplay]

Im out on this one. To me someone streaming and cutting only big wins without showing the pitfalls should be banned as its hardly good for responsible gaming. As for players such as Dunover and a few overs they make it clear regarding this in some wonderful verbal ways.

Each to there own

Why should even that be banned ? this is censorship ...it is dangerous and on a basic level insulting. If you dont like something dont watch it. On what basis would you "ban" a video for showing a person winning allot of money gambling ? We live in a world with enough rules as it is. I remember the clamp down in adult a few years back and the threat to ghettoize adult sites. Did it stop people downloading and watching ? Not a chance in hell but it made the industry up its game, and offer more that ever. In the end the "big boys" no pub intended protected there interests and where needed moved off shore. The world didnt end ,,, that industry continues to thrive and for the most part the dead heads wanting to destroy it are silenced.

Same with gaming its a personal choice.

 

[colinsunderland]

Whilst you will never see me doing £50 spins (even if I could afford it!), it is all relative. If the streamer has the funds to do these £50 spins then how is that not responsible gambling?

I haven't heard any streamer glorifying gambling, telling their audience to do bigger bets (the opposite is true actually), tell them gambling is the way to riches etc.

I would actually say by watching a stream you see the reality of gambling, and that is more lost than winning deposits.

You've picked up on one tiny part of my post, but it isn't realistic when they are getting constant bonuses with different T&Cs to normal players. Plus people see the '£50k WINNER' headlines rather than the amount lost.

 

[DavidShush]

YouTube cleaning up it's content isn't an example of a nanny state. It's a company trying to keep it's target demographic happy.

Some of the videos I saw before this started were getting increasingly unrealistic(as in, casinos would go out of business if the average player had that kind of "luck"). Sure, when the fun stops stop. But a few seconds of a warning followed by an hour of amazing jackpots won't take Derren Brown to convince you a flutter might be a good idea.

Some people here seem to have a belief in free will that doesn't actually exist. There are lots of videos about human behaviour on YouTube which you could use to replace your slotting fix and perhaps learn some new things in the process that help you understand more about the problem.

 

[Gaz237]

You don't have a clue, do you feel by using the word snowflake you some how have a position of power above me. If I was a true snowflake I'd be calling for gambling to be banned.

I gamble more than anyone o n here but doesn't mean I want shitty gambling videos and affiliates spamming the crap out of it on YouTube.

Quite clear what the likes of YouTube and twitch are for and it's not for few people to try and get some addicts to sign up through their links.

None of them stream for fun or share videos for fun so of you going to try profit off these sites then upload content that allows this.

S

I don't think you gamble more that anyone on here. Some gamble more on one spin than your repeated deposits of £5-£10

But I would say you gamble far to much chasing loses on the same slot and just spunk any winnings straight back in anyway.

I've noticed yours posts over the last few weeks have become angrier and angrier, and your post above comes across at you trying to deflect some of the anger/blame onto the Youtube streamers and affiliate videos. As it's easier for you to blame them, or anyone else for your losses.

The old saying, When the Fun Stops, Stop, seems quite apt here, as going by the Bonanza thread and now here, you have not had any fun for ages, even when you won, it was a straight rinse and repeat.

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Im out on this one. To me someone streaming and cutting only big wins without showing the pitfalls should be banned as its hardly good for responsible gaming. As for players such as Dunover and a few overs they make it clear regarding this in some wonderful verbal ways.

Each to there own

I actually posted a few videos on my youtube (althought I do admit my youtube isnt very active) when I started out of me losing and bad teases. I lost alot of subscribers. People want to see wins and fun. Not depressing losses. Anyone who plays slots or any familiarity has enough common sense to realize there are alot ups and downs and more downs than ups.

But do you want to see video clips of 4x bonuses? I dont.

Some people like myself love to stream slots. We have alot of fun and sometimes I get hammered and sing drunkin Irish songs. But its expensive as hell so if my friends or viewers want to use a link where we get a small portion of the losses..if they lose, Whats the big deal? It allows us to stream more content for people to enjoy. I have had to take two 3 month breaks from streaming because my gamble account would be empty and I would have to work to refill it. Such is life. Alot of viewers arent happy especially ones who sub to your channel but I think they understand slotting is very expensive.

For some reason people think we take affiliate earnings and go and eat lobster or buy diamonds and big tv's. Well no. I have never bought a thing with any earnings aside from a prepaid card to redeposit with and stream or something to fix or add to my computer. Im not saying that is every affiliate but its what alot of streamers do. And even if people were to use earnings for their bills, whats so wrong with that. A good gaming laptop costs $2000+ alone. All the time and work put into everything is alot.

Anytime I reach the $100 cashout threshold for bits and subs. I go and redeposit that and then include viewers in on a giveaway to try and give back to them for cheering bits etc. So we arent all dirtbags looking to make a $1 of the weak like some are suggesting here.

its not like we beg people to sign up either. Its just there for people to use if they want and like the content.If they dont, they can open up a different tab and sign up.

I personally like to get to know someone a little bit or enjoy them before I donate or cheer or use their links. Just to make sure they arent fake money streamers duping people for money.

I think if you dont want to use an affiliate links its perfectly fine. But I dont think calling us out because some of us do is really fair either.

 

[interlog]

You've picked up on one tiny part of my post, but it isn't realistic when they are getting constant bonuses with different T&Cs to normal players. Plus people see the '£50k WINNER' headlines rather than the amount lost.

I have not seen any genuine streamer doing £50 spins on a bonus. Most have the same conditions attached to them as you and I have. Yes, they get them more frequently but if you make the level of deposits they do, I am sure you can negotiate a better deal too. I am not talking about the fake streamers, such as Roshstein.

My channel contains both big win highlights as well as all of the streams that I recorded. It gives an accurate reflection of my gambling. I am on a break now because I was fed up losing deposit after deposit.

But all this responsible gambling bollocks is just a moot point. Why are the channels of Dunover, Nickslots et al no longer on Youtube? There is a common theme and it is that they had affiliate links to casinos.

In the meantime, "David slot win excitement" is producing weekly videos showing the big wins on various slots.

Now which channel gives a truer reflection of gambling? The now gone channels or the many more big win channels?

 

[dunover]

At the end of the day many things are involved here on the 'anti' section - jealousy, envy, self-loathing, anger, a genuine anti-gambling stance and simple trolling plus almost certainly some rival affiliates. There are still numerous channels up with affy links, no RG links and warnings and some with obviously fake content.

Now the 'antis' are basically cyber-bullies because streamers are an easy target and they can (rightly or wrongly) invoke YT rules violations by sheer weight of numbers throwing enough shit.

Now they see the closure of channels as a triumph, no doubt, but what have they achieved in the grand scale of things? Absolutely fuck-all. The amount of annual casino/gambling sign-ups via YT links or streamers is miniscule compared to web-based sites, TV adverts, Radio, word-of-mouth, social media and direct through search engines. YT doesn't even scratch the surface. The trolls can only affect this tiny area, and can do absolutely sod-all about private compliant websites, media adverts etc. We know this, so do they.

That fact leads me to the conclusion that 90% of the campaigning and YT reporting that went on was simply personal and therefore envy and self-loathing were the main motivation. I mean some of these trolls must really be stinging, having racked up 1000's of debt through their own lack of self control and weakness and then focussing on somebody who earns from their folly. I reckon their basic and flawed thought process is "I'm 10k in debt, or have lost 10k and some smug fucker is sitting there at home with 2.5k of that in his bank account" - their self-hatred is then redirected and on it goes.....

 

[dunover]

OH! I forgot, the children?

As for the cretinous accusations that YT incites kids to gamble?? You need to look closer to home. Did your kids not stay up during the World Cup after the 9PM watershed for gambling sponsors/ads then saturating the breaks? Do your kids all go to bed at 20:45 sharp if under 18? Do they not use Faecebook? Are their and your shared PC's/mobile devices all completely set with parental controls? Have you never let them play 2p pushers at the seaside and seen them get in 'the zone' when bending down to scoop out the 'won' coins at an early age?

Streamers have been around a few years now and slots channels too; go to Gamcare's forum and see if you can find ANY introduction 'my story' post where the respondent cites YT slots channels as their inspiration for addiction? I assure you that you'll find HUNDREDS citing seaside amusements and arcades as the root of the addiction because for some ultra-fucking-bizarre reason the UK uniquely lets under 18's play 10p max-stake gaming machines under the guise of 'amusements', something I still find incredible.

Finally, the big one - YOU yourself and parental responsibility! Do you not explain the bad maths of gambling, the pitfalls and the cost, to your kids? Or are you one of those sink estate families where the grandfather, father and now the kids put self-indulgent gambling habits and bookies' visits ahead of clothing and feeding their kids and actually buying them presents at Christmas and Birthdays that don't come from Poundland?

I suppose there will always be a section of society, no doubt convinced by the media and numerous 'experts' that they are suffering from some sort of 'ism' that will blame every bastard other than themselves for their actions and thoughts.

 

[colinsunderland]

I have not seen any genuine streamer doing £50 spins on a bonus. Most have the same conditions attached to them as you and I have. Yes, they get them more frequently but if you make the level of deposits they do, I am sure you can negotiate a better deal too. I am not talking about the fake streamers, such as Roshstein.

My channel contains both big win highlights as well as all of the streams that I recorded. It gives an accurate reflection of my gambling. I am on a break now because I was fed up losing deposit after deposit.

But all this responsible gambling bollocks is just a moot point. Why are the channels of Dunover, Nickslots et al no longer on Youtube? There is a common theme and it is that they had affiliate links to casinos.

In the meantime, "David slot win excitement" is producing weekly videos showing the big wins on various slots.

Now which channel gives a truer reflection of gambling? The now gone channels or the many more big win channels?

Yes but you are the exception, you already mention fake streamers, and theres plenty of (especially) youtube channels out there where, if you watched all the videos' you would think they must be millionaires cos they never lose.

As I say, I don't have a problem with streaming or youtube, but they should play to the same rules as everyone else. As I said earlier in the thread I don't think I've seen a single affiliate channel that actually complies with the CAP guidelines (mind I haven't exactly searched for many), and I'll bet there are large fines given out again soon.

Edit, just as an example, searched casino big win on youtube, got this in the first few results



Casinodaddy

under the video it states

Played at LeoVegas!
Link removed
Get 200% NO-STICKY bonus + 120 free spins!

Click the link, its 100% and 30 free spins. There are no significant terms and conditions listed.
So not only misleading, but totally non compliant with CAP rules.

 

[interlog]

Yes but you are the exception, you already mention fake streamers, and theres plenty of (especially) youtube channels out there where, if you watched all the videos' you would think they must be millionaires cos they never lose.

As I say, I don't have a problem with streaming or youtube, but they should play to the same rules as everyone else. As I said earlier in the thread I don't think I've seen a single affiliate channel that actually complies with the CAP guidelines (mind I haven't exactly searched for many), and I'll bet there are large fines given out again soon.

Edit, just as an example, searched casino big win on youtube, got this in the first few results

Casinodaddy

under the video it states

Played at LeoVegas!
Link removed
Get 200% NO-STICKY bonus + 120 free spins!

Click the link, its 100% and 30 free spins. There are no significant terms and conditions listed.
So not only misleading, but totally non compliant with CAP rules.

But that was the point I was making. Those channels that have disappeared (Nickslots, Dunover, the Bandit et al) did contain a mixture of win and lose videos. I have had discussions with the group of people targeting these channels earlier this year (one chap was doing live streams about the subject) and they made it pretty clear they were against affiliation. That is all fine and dandy, but don't do it pretending you care for the problem gambler. At some point one of the bigger streamers (Rocknrolla) kind of caved in and deleted all affiliate links from the videos. He went from instant zero to hero. How does that help the problem gambler, because the problem gambler can still see the same videos and may well be prompted making that deposit he can ill afford after seeing one.

As for Casinodaddy, they are not from the UK so not sure if the UK rules you mention apply to them. If they do, then they should comply to the rules, similar to the hundreds of non compliant ordinary affiliate websites that don't do videos/streaming should.

 

[DavidShush]

As for the cretinous accusations that YT incites kids to gamble?? You need to look closer to home. Did your kids not stay up during the World Cup after the 9PM watershed for gambling sponsors/ads then saturating the breaks? Do your kids all go to bed at 20:45 sharp if under 18? Do they not use Faecebook? Are their and your shared PC's/mobile devices all completely set with parental controls? Have you never let them play 2p pushers at the seaside and seen them get in 'the zone' when bending down to scoop out the 'won' coins at an early age?

Streamers have been around a few years now and slots channels too; go to Gamcare's forum and see if you can find ANY introduction 'my story' post where the respondent cites YT slots channels as their inspiration for addiction? I assure you that you'll find HUNDREDS citing seaside amusements and arcades as the root of the addiction because for some ultra-fucking-bizarre reason the UK uniquely lets under 18's play 10p max-stake gaming machines under the guise of 'amusements', something I still find incredible.

Finally, the big one - YOU yourself and parental responsibility! Do you not explain the bad maths of gambling, the pitfalls and the cost, to your kids? Or are you one of those sink estate families where the grandfather, father and now the kids put self-indulgent gambling habits and bookies' visits ahead of clothing and feeding their kids and actually buying them presents at Christmas and Birthdays that don't come from Poundland?

I suppose there will always be a section of society, no doubt convinced by the media and numerous 'experts' that they are suffering from some sort of 'ism' that will blame every bastard other than themselves for their actions and thoughts.

The problem with understanding this type of behaviour is acknowledging that as humans we're very bad at correctly observing what causes influence our actions. Studies(sorry) have been done that show how people are influenced in different ways, yet they'll swear blind it was for reasons completely different to what they were set up with. And this is why someone stating what they believe a cause of an addiction may be, might well be incorrect. Pretty much any show with Derren Brown is a good demonstration of how subconscious influences impact our actions all the time.

So the problem lies deeper. Go to sites like miniclip. They have a plethora of games aimed at kids who can buy "coins" with real world cash to gamble away on playing against others. Slot like games that pay out "jackpot coins" etc.

It shouldn't be about blame. Without derailing this thread too much, we don't have that type of freedom of choice or free will(according to the available evidence). It's more about trying to correct problems that negatively impact society by addressing the causes and influences of problematic behaviours. I don't know if banning youtube gambling videos will have any impact on this though.

 

[steveh35]

Isn't this Fortnite thing more of a problem than streamers on Youtube?

 

[Webzcas]

Isn't this Fortnite thing more of a problem than streamers on Youtube?

Well my boy seems to spend most of his pocket money on VRBucks on Fortnite. Most games now have in game purchase options for additional features. Indeed one of my friend's stepson a few years back ran up a £300 bill on XBox live, as he hadn't disabled the ability for him to purchase in game add ons.

 

[Clark_Gamble]

guys, check Outdated URL (Invalid) They are pro-free speech so there is a chance they won't ban if the reviews won't include any bj etc

 

[Jayjay231221]

Can we not just have videos without the affiliation links not all about money surely world would be a better place

 

[Webzcas]

Can we not just have videos without the affiliation links not all about money surely world would be a better place

This I believe is a big part of the problem. YouTube survives by playing ads on the videos on their platform. Channels can monetize their videos. However, paid promotion is frowned upon on YouTube and you have to declare any video is paid promotion prior to publishing a video. I believe the affiliate links in the descriptions and also the promotion of casinos within the videos is the main cause as to why channels are being suspended.