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Pity they process payouts on Wednesday's only...
But then they are real fast, always
Same with Slotland (same group)... although they make it on Tuesday's.
Besides, they both have very player-friendly bonuses and support.
But then they are real fast, always
Same with Slotland (same group)... although they make it on Tuesday's.
Besides, they both have very player-friendly bonuses and support.
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I use to love playing there. Then the "Pyramid" game was altered to where it wasn't paying out like before. There is a thread here somewhere about it.
It is so hard to get all the pieces of the pyramid and when you finally do, it is depressing to get such a poor payout for it. If you get money for a "block, that is great, but the free spins you win in a block are nothing, usually only 3.......... which yields nothing either.
Kinda like getting the 3 free spins on 3Dices' Fortune Falls........ boo!
It is so hard to get all the pieces of the pyramid and when you finally do, it is depressing to get such a poor payout for it. If you get money for a "block, that is great, but the free spins you win in a block are nothing, usually only 3.......... which yields nothing either.
Kinda like getting the 3 free spins on 3Dices' Fortune Falls........ boo!
well I play across the board [all games ] so I don't get a let down for after a long session on one game only
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I would love to play there but I can never get my cards to work. :-(
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In my experience, the slots pretty much all "feel" like AWPs I.e. compensated. I'm also a little suspicious about the incredibly low WR on bonuses. If the games are 100% random, then their bonuses are very EV+ and would be costing them money. Very odd IMO.
Of course it might be just me, but I don't say that about any other software.
I play there to support Gonegambling, but if they stopped sponsoring I would stop playing. IMO once per week payouts are unacceptable in 2013.
Of course it might be just me, but I don't say that about any other software.
I play there to support Gonegambling, but if they stopped sponsoring I would stop playing. IMO once per week payouts are unacceptable in 2013.
at slotland I had to declare that my delivery address is diferent from my cc mailing address I hope this can help
I had to get a prepaid card..My CC would never work..
I thought your mailing address had to match your cc address..Confused..(but I confuse easily)
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so im confussed they take usa players?
i chatted with them and they said they dont restrict countrys ( so i didnt get a straight answer)
have any usa players played here if so how reliable are they and why arent they on accredited casinos?
i chatted with them and they said they dont restrict countrys ( so i didnt get a straight answer)
have any usa players played here if so how reliable are they and why arent they on accredited casinos?
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Yes, they definitely take USA players.
They have been online since 1998 and in my personal opinion are one of the most reputable groups on the net.
I think they (SlotLand - before Win A Day was born) used to be accredited but lost that status due to having a coupe of games which looked like Video Poker and Blackjack, which were actually slots, and they refused / took too long to correct the information on their site so Bryan gave them the boot. (I could be wrong about all that, but that's what I recall).
Here's a thread I found on the subject from 2006: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotland-complaint.14249/
I don't know why they have not been considered for Accreditation since then.
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Yes, this has been my understanding for a very long time. The slots at Slotland/Winaday are compensated and are not truly random. The video poker is not video poker at all it uses the same mechanics as the their slots.
*All games share the same mechanism that determines the jackpot win. With card games the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural, but controlled by this shared random generator in the same exact way that slot machines are won.*
The above is under their F.A.Q's section.
Also some old interesting reading:
Slotland Fraudulent
I haven't checked their info on their homepage that much, maybe they have info about those card games being slot machines now. Maybe they are reputable in your opinion.
Still, compensated slots. Not ok. Payouts once a week. Not ok. I don't call that "timely manner" as in Bryan's standards for accreditation.
From Bryan's standards:
•RNG and/or software must be audited by a third party.
It seems like many players think that the machines are compensated:
This quote is from you KK, btw:
That was an old, really old post from you. Before you had exclusive offers to Slotland. Clearly, you have changed your mind. Why I ask? Are the machines in any way changed? Are they random in your opinion? I don't know, haven't played that much at Slotland. I think I have used one of your exclusive freebies at Slotland or Winaday, that's all. There you go, I hope you get some more signups after my free info.
The last comment now, I think that casinos is supposed to contact Bryan if they want to be accredited. Not the other way around. Maybe Slotland have tried, I don't know.
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I haven't checked their info on their homepage that much, maybe they have info about those card games being slot machines now. Maybe they are reputable in your opinion.
Still, compensated slots. Not ok. Payouts once a week. Not ok. I don't call that "timely manner" as in Bryan's standards for accreditation.
From Bryan's standards:
•RNG and/or software must be audited by a third party.
It seems like many players think that the machines are compensated:
This quote is from you KK, btw:
That was an old, really old post from you. Before you had exclusive offers to Slotland. Clearly, you have changed your mind. Why I ask? Are the machines in any way changed? Are they random in your opinion? I don't know, haven't played that much at Slotland. I think I have used one of your exclusive freebies at Slotland or Winaday, that's all. There you go, I hope you get some more signups after my free info.
The last comment now, I think that casinos is supposed to contact Bryan if they want to be accredited. Not the other way around. Maybe Slotland have tried, I don't know.
In KK's defence, perhaps he was wearing his "player" hat that day and not his "affiliate" hat.
I would be interested to hear, though, why he recommends software that he feels is "dodgy at best" to his customers.
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Yes, it was a very long time ago, 2006?That was an old, really old post from you. Before you had exclusive offers to Slotland. Clearly, you have changed your mind. Why I ask? Are the machines in any way changed? Are they random in your opinion? I don't know, haven't played that much at Slotland. I think I have used one of your exclusive freebies at Slotland or Winaday, that's all. There you go, I hope you get some more signups after my free info.
And the only time I'd played at Slotland was many years before that.
I only stated playing slots regularly online in 2005 and my opinions on many things about the way slots work and online casinos in general have definitely changed over the years, from my own experiences and in no small part, thanks to the excellent information on this website!
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Great answer.
So what changed your mind? Your affiliate manager told you the software is not "dodgy at best"? Or do you know something now that you didn't know then?
OK as the OP and from the USA I suggest that American players definitely try WINADAY to me a very seasoned player [if your a recreational player ] and deposite palatable amounts im betting you will have a positive review of wiaday ,, slot land to me presents a more difficult challenge as the bets on most games are 10to 20 cents min per line
and the fact that they pay one day a week well im betting that they have dedicated processors there checks are in my hand 2 days after
processing [lets stop bashing them there recommended by top portals and from the states you haven't any choices that are better
not to mention that there games are very entertaining for the recreational player [who else got slots were you can bet .001 cent per line
there bonuses rival the best
PS I my self don't care if there VP is engineered different ive had four royal flushes this month alone
2005!
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/slotland-fraudulent-video-poker-games.5371/
Found it when the link to the thread was posted by mattsgame.
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One has to keep an open mind and be prepared to accept that your beliefs about anything could be wrong.
I first played Slotland in 2001 (just looked it up on my log) and at the time I thought their games were crap. But at that time I did not have the faintest clue about how any online slots worked and I wasn't even a "slots player" until 2005. So yes, I know a LOT more now than I knew in 2001!
I know what you are insinuating by mentioning my affiliate manager, and this really is getting tiresome now. I would really appreciate it if you would cut it out.
FWIW my handful of Slotland players have actually made profit from Slotland in 5 of the last 7 months, so their slots can't be all that bad!
KK
I can do a entire thread of winning screen shots from winaday that would impact the beliefs of players that are on the border of making up there mind weather to play there or not
P S ask your self this = do I want to play WINADAY or a site on the probation list ?? and there not asking anyone for forgiveness because they have no payment issues
P S ask your self this = do I want to play WINADAY or a site on the probation list ?? and there not asking anyone for forgiveness because they have no payment issues
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So can someone explain the difference between "compensated" and non-compensated?
If I'm understanding from the implication of the word, it means the outcome and bonuses are calculated based upon (in part) what you have fed the slot up to that point, guaranteeing the casino a certain profit.
Well, how is that different than games with a house edge, which also guarantees the casino a certain profit?
I honestly don't understand. Since I'm a dummy, please explain in simple terms, lol. Thanks in advance.
Because on non-compensated slots, I'm down on just about all of them, I think. So ultimately, does it matter? Obviously, some here think it DOES matter. I'd just like to know why, or how it matters.
If I'm understanding from the implication of the word, it means the outcome and bonuses are calculated based upon (in part) what you have fed the slot up to that point, guaranteeing the casino a certain profit.
Well, how is that different than games with a house edge, which also guarantees the casino a certain profit?
I honestly don't understand. Since I'm a dummy, please explain in simple terms, lol. Thanks in advance.
Because on non-compensated slots, I'm down on just about all of them, I think. So ultimately, does it matter? Obviously, some here think it DOES matter. I'd just like to know why, or how it matters.
So can someone explain the difference between "compensated" and non-compensated?
If I'm understanding from the implication of the word, it means the outcome and bonuses are calculated based upon (in part) what you have fed the slot up to that point, guaranteeing the casino a certain profit.
Well, how is that different than games with a house edge, which also guarantees the casino a certain profit?
I honestly don't understand. Since I'm a dummy, please explain in simple terms, lol. Thanks in advance.
Because on non-compensated slots, I'm down on just about all of them, I think. So ultimately, does it matter? Obviously, some here think it DOES matter. I'd just like to know why, or how it matters.
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I play mostly at Winaday and Platinum Reels and occasionally at an RTG type casino. Yes, Winaday only processes checks once per week, but there is no $30 dollar fee charged to make a check withdrawal as there is at RTG and other casinos. Additionally, there is no $100 minimum withdrawal. I love their software and feel their terms are fair.
I play mostly at Winaday and Platinum Reels and occasionally at an RTG type casino. Yes, Winaday only processes checks once per week, but there is no $30 dollar fee charged to make a check withdrawal as there is at RTG and other casinos. Additionally, there is no $100 minimum withdrawal. I love their software and feel their terms are fair.
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ok another payout by winaday with in 5 minutes of estimated time of delivery written on domestic paper [so no sweat that I can see ]
im finding in the USA/ because of that , that there so exact on time that the Wednesday check cutting thing isen't hard to bare
ok another payout by winaday with in 5 minutes of estimated time of delivery written on domestic paper [so no sweat that I can see ]
im finding in the USA/ because of that , that there so exact on time that the Wednesday check cutting thing isen't hard to bare
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Because my bank charges $40 for a Canadian check. They made an exception and allowed me to withdrawal to a popular eWallet instead. I kid you not, my $50 free chip withdrawal in my account the same day on Wednesday. You can't beat that.
I'm still waiting for a big win to actually cash a Canadian check, but still exciting none the less.
I'm still waiting for a big win to actually cash a Canadian check, but still exciting none the less.
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So can someone explain the difference between "compensated" and non-compensated?
If I'm understanding from the implication of the word, it means the outcome and bonuses are calculated based upon (in part) what you have fed the slot up to that point, guaranteeing the casino a certain profit.
Well, how is that different than games with a house edge, which also guarantees the casino a certain profit?
I honestly don't understand. Since I'm a dummy, please explain in simple terms, lol. Thanks in advance.
Because on non-compensated slots, I'm down on just about all of them, I think. So ultimately, does it matter? Obviously, some here think it DOES matter. I'd just like to know why, or how it matters.
A compensated slot is specifically programmed to pay out a certain % in the short term. So for instance, a compensated slot might be designed to pay out exactly $9,000 for every $10,000 taken in.
A regular slot (non-compensated) is designed in such a way that it yields the house a particular % in the long term. If you have a non-compensated slot machine set to a 90% RTP, it is guaranteed to pay out exactly 90% only over an infinite number of spins. It can go on hot or cold streaks purely due to variance, and its payouts are in no way influenced by past results.
Hope that was somewhat helpful!
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A compensated slot is specifically programmed to pay out a certain % in the short term. So for instance, a compensated slot might be designed to pay out exactly $9,000 for every $10,000 taken in.
A regular slot (non-compensated) is designed in such a way that it yields the house a particular % in the long term. If you have a non-compensated slot machine set to a 90% RTP, it is guaranteed to pay out exactly 90% only over an infinite number of spins. It can go on hot or cold streaks purely due to variance, and its payouts are in no way influenced by past results.
Hope that was somewhat helpful!
Very much so, thank you! So it's more of an issue with slot geeks like us here than with most players. That is, most people who play slots for entertainment just want to win at least some of the time - either method works for such people.
However, I do have a further question - how can a computer account for factor like infinity? I believe from what I've read that in generating random numbers, computers are incapable of generating truly random numbers. If that is so, it would seem that non-compensated slots would be incapable of accurately calculating any given RTP if the parameter in terms of spins must be set at infinity.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification.
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Very much so, thank you! So it's more of an issue with slot geeks like us here than with most players. That is, most people who play slots for entertainment just want to win at least some of the time - either method works for such people.
However, I do have a further question - how can a computer account for factor like infinity? I believe from what I've read that in generating random numbers, computers are incapable of generating truly random numbers. If that is so, it would seem that non-compensated slots would be incapable of accurately calculating any given RTP if the parameter in terms of spins must be set at infinity.
Anyway, thanks for the clarification.
No problem!
The main difference is that it's literally impossible to win on a compensated slot if you just sit there and spin it through one of its entire pay cycles. It's sort of like scratch tickets. If you bought the entire set of one game from the state, you'd be guaranteed to lose exactly how much they designed that game to generate in revenue. The only way you can win at a compensated game is if you only play during a "hot" period. Back to the scratcher analogy, if you somehow knew that there were more winning tickets than losing tickets left, you would know that that particular scratch game was due to pay out. Most casino games are never "due" for anything, but compensated slots are one exception.
With regard to your other question about non-compensated games, it works because you can mathematically analyze the games to find what they should pay out in the long run. An easy example would be a coin toss game where you win 1:1 if it lands on heads, and lose if it lands on tails. Assuming that it never lands on its side or vanishes into thin air or something, you know you've got a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing, but there's no guarantee that you'll ever exactly have a 50% win rate. After 100 tosses, for instance, it's possible that you'll only get heads 35 times and tails 65 times. But with more tosses, it'll get closer and closer to 50-50, and eventually so close that any difference is statistically insignificant. Variance is what tells you what range of values you can expect, as well as indicates how long the "long term" is for a particular game.
I don't know much about the RNGs used, but I do know that they're more statistically "real" today than they were a decade ago. My guess is that the people who develop slots make them then run a large simulation to make sure its actual return falls in an acceptable range before releasing the game to the public.
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No problem!
The main difference is that it's literally impossible to win on a compensated slot if you just sit there and spin it through one of its entire pay cycles. It's sort of like scratch tickets. If you bought the entire set of one game from the state, you'd be guaranteed to lose exactly how much they designed that game to generate in revenue. The only way you can win at a compensated game is if you only play during a "hot" period. Back to the scratcher analogy, if you somehow knew that there were more winning tickets than losing tickets left, you would know that that particular scratch game was due to pay out. Most casino games are never "due" for anything, but compensated slots are one exception.
With regard to your other question about non-compensated games, it works because you can mathematically analyze the games to find what they should pay out in the long run. An easy example would be a coin toss game where you win 1:1 if it lands on heads, and lose if it lands on tails. Assuming that it never lands on its side or vanishes into thin air or something, you know you've got a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing, but there's no guarantee that you'll ever exactly have a 50% win rate. After 100 tosses, for instance, it's possible that you'll only get heads 35 times and tails 65 times. But with more tosses, it'll get closer and closer to 50-50, and eventually so close that any difference is statistically insignificant. Variance is what tells you what range of values you can expect, as well as indicates how long the "long term" is for a particular game.
I don't know much about the RNGs used, but I do know that they're more statistically "real" today than they were a decade ago. My guess is that the people who develop slots make them then run a large simulation to make sure its actual return falls in an acceptable range before releasing the game to the public.
UK fruit machine players would often do the equivalent of "card counting" by watching the machines around them being played. If one paid out a load, it was one to avoid, or even curse if one was about to give it a try. The one that has just sucked the last half dozen players is the one to play, as it's compensation would mean that it would have to pay more than it's long term RTP in order to make up for the long losing streak. It was also possible to get a feel for whether a machine was about to make the transition from "cold" to "warm" when it was being played, and a "warming" machine could be ready for the "force".
Knowing about how compensation works meant being able to hold your nerve as you shovel up to £100 in whilst refusing all the prizes offered, knowing that this will eventually trigger the "streak" that should at worst give most of the stake back, and at best result in a nice profit and a truly "dead" machine.
The manufacturers always tried to make the machines harder to read, and this meant that "forcing" did carry significant risks. The most irritating was running out of change, and have someone else get on and take all the profit when going to get some more. The "someone else" was often another smart player, but one smarter than oneself that day. It was, however, a serious breach of etiquette to leap on a machine knowing that the other player had only gone to get some change.
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