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[ChopleyIOM]

There are three different free spins round on Bruce.

TRIGGER 1 - You get four matching symbols in the four stops on reels 1 and 2. These four symbols are locked for five free spins, three chests on 3-4-5 during these spins awards another five spins. This is fairly common and usually pretty rubbish.

TRIGGER 2 - You get three chest symbols on reels 3-4-5. You then get five free spins with a guaranteed full reel wild out of 3-4-5, and at least one wild Bruce symbol on the other two reels. Three chests awards another five spins. This is the most common bonus round, can pay big.

TRIGGER 3 - VERY RARE. You get the triggers for #1 and #2 in a single spin, this then gives twenty free spins with 1-2 locked, and the same guaranteed full wild plus Bruce symbols as per trigger #2. Your starting point on this round is basically 1000x stake, depending on which symbols you have locked on 1-2.

Think of Bruce Lee as the DoA of WMS slots, you can hit big off TRIGGER 2 above, but really it's TRIGGER 3 that's really going to pay big, the equivalent of getting all the sticky wilds on DoA. But like DoA, there's just no way to guarantee it in any way whatsoever.

I've had it suck down £500 of free play money at 30p per spin without seeing it, so play Bruce with caution!

 

[dunover]

There are three different free spins round on Bruce.

TRIGGER 1 - You get four matching symbols in the four stops on reels 1 and 2. These four symbols are locked for five free spins, three chests on 3-4-5 during these spins awards another five spins. This is fairly common and usually pretty rubbish.

TRIGGER 2 - You get three chest symbols on reels 3-4-5. You then get five free spins with a guaranteed full reel wild out of 3-4-5, and at least one wild Bruce symbol on the other two reels. Three chests awards another five spins. This is the most common bonus round, can pay big.

TRIGGER 3 - VERY RARE. You get the triggers for #1 and #2 in a single spin, this then gives twenty free spins with 1-2 locked, and the same guaranteed full wild plus Bruce symbols as per trigger #2. Your starting point on this round is basically 1000x stake, depending on which symbols you have locked on 1-2.

Think of Bruce Lee as the DoA of WMS slots, you can hit big off TRIGGER 2 above, but really it's TRIGGER 3 that's really going to pay big, the equivalent of getting all the sticky wilds on DoA. But like DoA, there's just no way to guarantee it in any way whatsoever.

I've had it suck down £500 of free play money at 30p per spin without seeing it, so play Bruce with caution!

Yes, I can endorse the above, and maybe Chopley can reintroduce his video temporarily for just Bruce Lee, to see it in all it's glory.......the 1657x bet classic:notworthy:notworthy

 

[akrus88]

Which casinos offer WMS games

Casinoeuro, Harrys casino, Unibet, Betsafe, Nordicbet. Any others?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Why do those casinos hate UK players so much? There are either no bonuses at all for us, or we get really shitty WRs compared to everyone else.

 

[akrus88]

That sucks .

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Obviously we have special magic super-lucky money

It'd be good to see the WMS slots turn up at Redbet.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Why do those casinos hate UK players so much? There are either no bonuses at all for us, or we get really shitty WRs compared to everyone else.

I hear that, same reason as a lot of primarily UK targeting Casinos don't offer or offer less attractive bonuses to the rest of Europe/US, maybe they even have some upper level agreements concerning these reasons, i bet you could think o a few yourself
I wish it were otherwise.

 

[rainmaker]

Why do those casinos hate UK players so much? There are either no bonuses at all for us, or we get really shitty WRs compared to everyone else.

Yeah, it would be great with WMS games over at Redbet. Make it happen Andy.

Not all casinos that akrus88 mentioned hate UK players. Harry Casino for example is primarily targeting the UK market actually.

They promote themselves as Harry Casino – the greatest British online casino

 

[ChopleyIOM]

They promote themselves as Harry Casino – the greatest British online casino

I think they're arguably the worst of the lot in that they dress themselves up as a UK friendly casino but they're clearly part of the same group as Casino Euro, and they've mostly just copied over the same shitty terms that apply to UK players at Casino Euro, and made it sound like some sort of great UK deal we're being offered!

Very cheeky.

 

[rainmaker]

I think they're arguably the worst of the lot in that they dress themselves up as a UK friendly casino but they're clearly part of the same group as Casino Euro, and they've mostly just copied over the same shitty terms that apply to UK players at Casino Euro, and made it sound like some sort of great UK deal we're being offered!

Very cheeky.

May I ask which rules you are referring to over at Harry Casino ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

May I ask which rules you are referring to over at Harry Casino ?

The SUB is 25xD+B WR (so effectively 50xB, which is into Rival/RTG territory), on a fairly meagre 100% match up to £100.

The standard monthly bonus is 30% up to £30 on a 10xD+B WR, which is a pretty bad WR for such a tiny bonus.

Compare and contrast with Jackpot Party whose SUB is 100% up to £200 on a 20xBWR, and whose standard monthly match is 100% up to £100 on a 10xB WR.

On top of that Harry Casino only has two withdrawal options, instant bank transfer and Ecopay.

 

[Nate]

@ Chopley - I suppose a lot of other things are factored in. That is a bad WR compared to other NetEnt Casino's; however Jackpot Party run all their Slots at 92%... Harry Casino does not (Or so I believe?)

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@ Chopley - I suppose a lot of other things are factored in. That is a bad WR compared to other NetEnt Casino's; however Jackpot Party run all their Slots at 92%... Harry Casino does not (Or so I believe?)

Nate

Jackpot Party's overall T-RTP is 95% when you take the JPPs into account (92% from the slots, 3% from the JPPs), the WMS slots are running at a 'slots only' RTP of 96% everywhere else, so it's a trivial difference.

 

[Nate]

Actually 4% isn't a trivial difference. Those Jackpots don't get hit all the time...

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Actually 4% isn't a trivial difference. Those Jackpots don't get hit all the time...

Nate

They get hit often enough to make up most of their 3% contribution though, I've had six or seven in just over a year of playing, mostly low-rolling.

Also, as was noted by Balthazar in another thread (think it was actually the Jackpot Party thread), for a low-roller like me even a 0-star or 1-star JPP hit either (1) Guarantees making a WR and making a withdrawal, rather than getting ground down before a bust out and/or (2) Gives a natural 'high point' on a straight deposit to make an obvious withdrawal point.

You can't just write off the 3% contribution from the JPPs to overall RTP like it doesn't exist

 

[Nate]

You can't just write off the 3% contribution from the JPPs to overall RTP like it doesn't exist

Absolutely - However, you cannot just factor it in and compare it to a 96% Slot - There is a difference

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Absolutely - However, you cannot just factor it in and compare it to a 96% Slot - There is a difference

Nate

Long term T-RTP is only a 1% difference though, which is relatively trivial, and not the 4% figure you suggested

Most slots (certainly high variance slots) have what can almost be considered 'hidden progressives' anyway, like the 8000x hits on DoA or the 5000x hits on Bruce or the 13000x hit on IR (or whatever it is five wild reels pays) - so I don't think it's unreasonable to state that the RTP difference between Jackpot Party and anywhere else running WMS slots is basically 1%, because the JPP effect isn't that much different from the 'monster hits' effect that some slots have anyway.

Remember that the small progressives at Jackpot Party really are small, often under £100 for the 0-star (even with presents added on), which is a nice hit for a low-roller.

 

[akrus88]

Have not really yet felt the difference with the rtp between jpp and others. Overall playability and payout seems the same.

JPP progressives are actually pretty cool, since you actually have a much better chance of hitting them, when comparing for example to Marvel progressives. Hitted only the confetti jackpot 2 times, but I have wagered only 7000€ on JPP (700 comp points). I have only once hit marvel jp (250€), allthough I have wagered at least 30-40k€ on marvel games.

Must allso note that the confetti jackpot amount is really good size(50-100€). Which is pretty good for a low roller at least.
Mgs should change their minor progressive for something like that. It is really frustrating hitting those 10€ jackpots.

 

[Nifty29]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

 

[dionysus]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

To me, seems like Wizard of Oz has a decent return, bonuses fairly frequently. Can't complain here.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

Super Jackpot Party - at 96% RTP you could probably play that all night at low stakes and not lose much, although don't expect to see 100x stake or better more than once in a blue moon either.

What casino you playing at Nifty, and what's the selection? I'm used to Jackpot Party where they have loads to choose from and not the limited selection that's landed elsewhere.

 

[Balthazar]

Does JPP offer Robin Hood and the Golden Arrow? If so, why aren't you all over it?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

To me, seems like Wizard of Oz has a decent return, bonuses fairly frequently. Can't complain here.

More like medium variance though, can easily wipe out a modest bankroll even at small stakes.

It depends what Nifty is after really, both the Oz slots (the original and Ruby Slippers) are around medium variance.

Bruce is crazy high variance of course, so any WMS slot will be a step down in insanity from that

 

[mrmark21]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

I'm really enjoying Magic Wand at Nordicbet (the only casino that offers this game to Aussies). I'd rate this game as medium variance. Lets you play for a while and is capable of some good wins. This game has made me come out of my shell in the way of upping my bet size. Turned one buck into one hundred bucks on this slot from a twenty dollar deposit...

Believe in magic? Well you’d better because in this game believing is winning! Featuring all the tools and tricks you’d expect from an evening of magic with David Copperfield or David Blaine, this slot boasts as much in terms of mystery and magic as it does fun and exciting features!

Stacked wilds in feature, that actually show up

You could also give Leprechauns Fortune a shot which seems similar to games like Miss Kitty and Pelican Pete

 

[Nifty29]

Super Jackpot Party - at 96% RTP you could probably play that all night at low stakes and not lose much, although don't expect to see 100x stake or better more than once in a blue moon either.

What casino you playing at Nifty, and what's the selection? I'm used to Jackpot Party where they have loads to choose from and not the limited selection that's landed elsewhere.

Nordic mate. I think they only have a dozen.