Will you return to Covid restrictions and mask wearing?

[goatwack]

Word on the street's that the new Pirola strain that was set to be the most deadly variant is, in fact, not as bad as media outlets initially led us to believe. So with that revealed, perhaps we won't see a government- mandated return to mask- wearing. Which is nice.

 

[slot_zombie]

Word on the street's that the new Pirola strain that was set to be the most deadly variant is, in fact, not as bad as media outlets initially led us to believe. So with that revealed, perhaps we won't see a government- mandated return to mask- wearing. Which is nice.

Was never on the cards - there's an election due next year...

 

[The Dude]

Masks cover half the face, making nonverbal cues more difficult to interpret. The face is an amazing tell as to someone's feeling or thoughts...

I've heard that stoners don't mind wearing masks in public since no one can tell if you're stoned. Or so I have heard. lol

I've just remembered this
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Galicia, in northwest Spain, has performed them on some hospitalised patients, a few newborns and those with psychiatric illnesses for whom it was impossible to administer nasal swabs, its health department told Reuters.

But they could stick them up their butt??

I guess I should be sharing my Covid experiences here since they pretty much apply to this discussion.

When Covid was in full swing my partner and I abided 100% with all of the restrictions, and protocols to remain safe - not just for us, mind you - but for her mum who needed full care in the last year of her life. The common practise in the UK was that if an elderly person had Covid and was hospitalised, you're going to say your last goodbyes on Skype. That was off the table for us - and if anything like that would have happened because of carelessness on our part (or the entire family for that matter), we would not have been able to live with ourselves.

It's a gut-wrenching thought thinking of the thousands of families that had to endure that dehumanising separation. For those of you who have lost parents, siblings, or close family members, just image that nightmare.

I travel a bit, and during the covid times I was quarantined no less that 18 times in the UK/Germany/USA - mostly in the UK and Germany. Wearing a mask on a twelve hour flight - to include the hours waiting to pre-board and de-board - one could be wearing a mask for up to 18 hours. I flew quite a few long hauls like that - and did I bitch and moan about it? No. I knew the deal and accepted it, and found ways to keep comfortable (I know of a good technique to keep the straps off of your ears).

I know all about making small sacrifices for the herd - that comes from 12 years in the military where it's mission first. And I am science grounded person, not a faith based individual. So when the vaccines came out, I was (and still am) a proponent for them. I have had vaccines for most of all the common ailments and diseases, and then loads more from uncle Sam - to include several anthrax vaccines to counter the crazy Iraqis.

That said: I had two Johnson and Johnson vaccines - one vaccine, the second as a booster - but the Germans did not consider J&J an effective booster so I got the Pfizer-BioNTech one. About nine months later it was recommended that all seniors get another Pfizer-BioNTech booster - so I got one during my annual physical.

Three days later, it felt like someone had dropped a brick on my left foot, and my toes began to burn and turn red. The first thing I thought was blood clots. Coincidently my sciatica kicked in so bad that I was sent to a clinic for blood testing. Every test in the book was made finding absolutely no reason why the blood clots appeared. The pain was excruciating, and for those that made the Meister Meeting in Feb., would have noticed me walking with a cane. I was on Oxycodon for about six weeks and weaned myself off of those by the end of winter.

I kept pointing out the fact to the German doctors that these blood clots appeared three days after having my last jab, but they said these were different types of blood clots, and not the ones caused by the Covid vaccines. They said it was circumstantial.

Circumstantial or not, I don't think I'd get another booster. I'm sticking to flu shots.

 

[lockinlove]

Like I say I respect others opinions, but seeing and experiencing first hand the very REAL adverse reactions to the vaccinations, I will take my chances. Unless we have a pandemic similar to the bubonic plague from the middle ages, I have no intention to either being locked down, being forced to wear a mask that offers no protection ( note, I am not lumping in N95 masks or their equivalents into this - I know they offer protection against Covid 19, hence their cost ) or my basic civil liberties impinged.

People can think what they want about these vaccines but anyone who is skeptical has the right.

We had presidents and health officials standing up in public giving completely false information with complete matter-of-fact confidence. When we saw this in real time we knew the damage that was being done. It was completely reckless. Now you have millions of people not trusting in health officials or governments when it comes to vaccines.

There were not one or two instances of very grave misleading comments from them but numerous.

Saying "we aren't sure yet" or "some studies suggest this might be.." would have been the best answer instead of trying to use fear and complete disregard for the truth to get what you want. Everyone vaccinated.

When officials came out and demanded kids get vaccinated even though there was clear-cut proof that only 0.3% of the deaths were from kids (and most of that percent were kids battling cancers or other serious diseases already) we knew we were in for a battle. When stats suggest there is no need but officials push it so hard, you are bringing nothing but distrust in yourselves and the entire medical field.

If you go on social media and search these topics, you will see pages littered with tens of thousands of comments where people are saying they will never take a vaccine again. They will never listen to the government, WHO, CDC etc

The amount of damage done could take decades to repair with the public... if ever.

What is my political stance? Well anyone who knows me from the old political debates knows I am clearly conservative. There seems to be a notion where the right is against vaccines and the left is all about them.

Politics to me does not matter. Science, research, trial and error do.

I am a professional in this field who has worked alongside the CDC, WHO, and many other organizations. I study viruses.

I was on the ER and ICU floors reading reports, watching patient treatments, reading patient health records, reading tens of thousands of hours of research and studies, and having meetings with top health officials all over the world for the past 3 years. For about a year straight I slept maybe 4 hours a day during covid. Some not at all.

I saw young and old die from covid. Yes, younger was much rarer but I saw many 30-50-year-olds die or come close and fight for weeks to survive (me saying many does not mean it was common it just means that a hospital clearly sees the worst cases). I helped flip patients over to help them breathe, I talked to wives, parents, brothers, and sisters during these times.


On average, a person under 50, their immune system was able to handle the virus on its own. However, there is a small percentage where for some reason, their immune system could not fight it off. Genetics? Lifestyle? Sometimes. Sometimes not. We had perfectly healthy 30-year-olds get very sick but again were they healthy? From our tests, yes but in reality there could be things we didn't see.


One case in general I clearly remember. A 65-year-old lady with rheumatoid arthritis which is an autoimmune disease, had covid. She was double vaccinated. She did incredibly well. Your usual cold symptoms but she recovered in 3 days. Pretty great results for her. She was on our 'watch closely' list because of her age/disease and slightly overweight.

One week later the same thing. A lady who was 67 with rheumatoid arthritis and was double vaccinated contracted covid, was slightly obese and got extremely ill. She spent well over a week in ICU and we did not think she would make it. She had no other ailments.


So again, was it genetics, did she partake in an unhealthy lifestyle growing up? We asked them both every question under the sun. There was nothing that stood out. The only difference was their blood type. The healthy lady is B- and the one who was very ill is Type A.


B- is pretty rare. So did that have something to do with it? Maybe as we have seen in some studies by us and other people who get most ill are type A or AB

These studies take a lot of data and time.

Watch your videos, read your social media if you want (it can be interesting for sure) but when making a decision about your health read all the medical information you can find from a non-political or pharmaceutical-driven study. Once you do that, cross reference it all. Once you are done that, talk to your doctor. If you are still unsure, get a second opinion if you are truly battling with wanting to get vaccinated or not.

 

[lockinlove]

I've heard that stoners don't mind wearing masks in public since no one can tell if you're stoned. Or so I have heard. lol


But they could stick them up their butt??

I guess I should be sharing my Covid experiences here since they pretty much apply to this discussion.

When Covid was in full swing my partner and I abided 100% with all of the restrictions, and protocols to remain safe - not just for us, mind you - but for her mum who needed full care in the last year of her life. The common practise in the UK was that if an elderly person had Covid and was hospitalised, you're going to say your last goodbyes on Skype. That was off the table for us - and if anything like that would have happened because of carelessness on our part (or the entire family for that matter), we would not have been able to live with ourselves.

It's a gut-wrenching thought thinking of the thousands of families that had to endure that dehumanising separation. For those of you who have lost parents, siblings, or close family members, just image that nightmare.

I travel a bit, and during the covid times I was quarantined no less that 18 times in the UK/Germany/USA - mostly in the UK and Germany. Wearing a mask on a twelve hour flight - to include the hours waiting to pre-board and de-board - one could be wearing a mask for up to 18 hours. I flew quite a few long hauls like that - and did I bitch and moan about it? No. I knew the deal and accepted it, and found ways to keep comfortable (I know of a good technique to keep the straps off of your ears).

I know all about making small sacrifices for the herd - that comes from 12 years in the military where it's mission first. And I am science grounded person, not a faith based individual. So when the vaccines came out, I was (and still am) a proponent for them. I have had vaccines for most of all the common ailments and diseases, and then loads more from uncle Sam - to include several anthrax vaccines to counter the crazy Iraqis.

That said: I had two Johnson and Johnson vaccines - one vaccine, the second as a booster - but the Germans did not consider J&J an effective booster so I got the Pfizer-BioNTech one. About nine months later it was recommended that all seniors get another Pfizer-BioNTech booster - so I got one during my annual physical.

Three days later, it felt like someone had dropped a brick on my left foot, and my toes began to burn and turn red. The first thing I thought was blood clots. Coincidently my sciatica kicked in so bad that I was sent to a clinic for blood testing. Every test in the book was made finding absolutely no reason why the blood clots appeared. The pain was excruciating, and for those that made the Meister Meeting in Feb., would have noticed me walking with a cane. I was on Oxycodon for about six weeks and weaned myself off of those by the end of winter.

I kept pointing out the fact to the German doctors that these blood clots appeared three days after having my last jab, but they said these were different types of blood clots, and not the ones caused by the Covid vaccines. They said it was circumstantial.

Circumstantial or not, I don't think I'd get another booster. I'm sticking to flu shots.

Would be curious to see what kind of blood clots there are claiming it to be. As you state you took the vaccine which is known to cause

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(blood clots from this vaccine) and you had them 3 days later, it seems quite strange that the clots were deemed unrelated.

Also, it makes sense your sciatica acted up on you as the vaccine induces inflammation which in turn can trigger irritation of the nerve.

 

[Webzcas]

@lockinlove what a great insightful response you provided to me, thank you, I appreciate it!

 

[LaurieJim]

Not really no.

First of all, you need to wear a mask properly, second of all it isn't just about putting a mask on. There is a process first (washing hands etc.) but those cheap masks aren't very effective.

If you pay attention to people who wear masks when not enforced, they are engaging in other practices that increase their efficacy rate slightly. Hand washing, avoiding groups of people, and keeping their distance.

People wearing a mask, and walking down the street by themselves is not effective at all. We have found these people to have general anxiety disorders and/or are not properly educated. A small percentage are virtue signaling. That's why in my previous post, I expressed that if you see people wearing masks, you just leave them be. A certain percentage have anxiety disorders and it helps keep them calm when out in public.

Do higher-quality masks work? Yes. Not 100% but they do. There is a reason why hospitals and labs wore them prior to covid and it wasn't for fashion

I work in facilities and go to patient's homes to draw labs from persons with fragile veins and immune compromised system and yes it can be life or death for someone's loved one if we do not follow proper PPE. When entering a Pts. room or home or when they had the covid wards, I masked up, gowned up and gloved up not only to protect myself but my patients.

When I leave a home patient and I'm in my car, you will never ever see me driving down the road with a mask on or at the grocery, etc. , only when working... If you ever worked a covid ward in the past, you would fully understand the importance of PPE but on your own time, hell no to the masks as I'm still tested weekly for variants!

N95 masks imo are of better quality and the preferred masks in most healthcare settings!

 

[FroggyScream]

Mask-wearing might not have done much for COVID, but it seemed to reduce seasonal flu.

I always get sick in January, so I'm likely to bring back the mask, COVID or not.