Whether about the weather

[immortality]

Hey guys, just remembering seeing the weather forecast the other day,(and the news). I'm wondering how freezing cold it is for most of you guys further east?
We have been very lucky here in Ireland, we escaped the cold front, haven't seen any frost since last week and no snow this yet. All I can say is, thank god, the last batch of cold we had was unbearable, I had an icicle hanging from the roof above my back door, it was around 30cm long and very thick at the top. We used the back door to enter our house, it fell one day that me and my youngest child had just came in through that door ( we had just got in literally 2 seconds before it fell).

The Weather is so unpredictable.

 

[Tirilej]

It was awful here last week. I live in the middle of Sweden and it wasn't so bad, just -22C
But in the north part of the country they had -48,7C.

Now it's back to normal winter here. No snow and -2C
The sun is shining and it's just great living

 

[chuchu59]

I must say you guys are much better in braving cold weather. At the start of the week it was 18 degrees celsius to 22 degrees celsius in Hong Kong. Today its between 11 and 15 and most of us are already freezing.

 

[jetset]

Bloody hell - that is cold!

I was briefly in Prague over the long weekend following ICE and at minus 7 C I thought it was quite chilly enough, but on departure the airport info boards were showing Moscow at minus 20 on that day and Tallinn in Estonia at minus 15. There were a whole slew of other eastern European capitals where it was around minus 9 and minus 12.

Shortly after leaving the Czech Republic I was reading of temps sinking as low as minus 38 - now Jesus, that is cold!

Edited to add that when I eventually arrived back in the southern hemisphere we were experiencing what for us were heatwave temperatures around 38 C - from one extreme to the other...

 

[immortality]

It was awful here last week. I live in the middle of Sweden and it wasn't so bad, just -22C
But in the north part of the country they had -48,7C.

Now it's back to normal winter here. No snow and -2C
The sun is shining and it's just great living

Good to hear it's not as cold, -22 jeezus, I thought -14 was bad here 2 decembers past, Brrrr

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Suppose to be -15 here in uk tonight with snow on Thursday/Friday.

 

[immortality]

Suppose to be -15 here in uk tonight with snow on Thursday/Friday.

Noooooooooo don't tell me that, I'm gonna check to see if it'll hit here, hopefully not, maybe (fingers crossed) it won't reach us here in N.I.

I HATE the cold, hurry up summer



Just checked, we're going to get rain yay, no frost either yay lol

 

[Seventh777]

Signing in from the East of England, so cold here there`s brass monkeys everywhere looking for a welder , temperature atm is hovering around freezing.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ireland looks to lie in the warm sector, with freezing rain possible in parts of southern Scotland. Snow will be further south and east, where the wedge of cold air is thicker. It may not make it right down to the south east corner, but looks set to stall around the central regions.

After this, the long term outlook is for notherly winds turning to north west as the Scandinavian high relaxes and transfers to the west of Ireland, and then sinks south, allowing a return of west to north west winds from the Atlantic.

Such long term outlooks are not 100% reliable, as a few days ago the long term was for cold weather to persist right through to March.

-11.9 last night "up north", and a bracing -6 here in Berkshire. Barely got above freezing today, and now dead on 0.0 Celcius with a covering of low level stratus. Most of the earlier snow has melted, except for the snowman the kids built in the communal square.

 

[Thomas82]

Wow, VW that is a technical post. Are you actually a weatherman in real-life?

 

[immortality]

Ireland looks to lie in the warm sector, with freezing rain possible in parts of southern Scotland. Snow will be further south and east, where the wedge of cold air is thicker. It may not make it right down to the south east corner, but looks set to stall around the central regions.

After this, the long term outlook is for notherly winds turning to north west as the Scandinavian high relaxes and transfers to the west of Ireland, and then sinks south, allowing a return of west to north west winds from the Atlantic.

Such long term outlooks are not 100% reliable, as a few days ago the long term was for cold weather to persist right through to March.

-11.9 last night "up north", and a bracing -6 here in Berkshire. Barely got above freezing today, and now dead on 0.0 Celcius with a covering of low level stratus. Most of the earlier snow has melted, except for the snowman the kids built in the communal square.

We might get snow yet, the winter ain't over

 

[jetset]

Living in a warmer zone, I found it interesting that the very cold weather in Europe did not appear to keep folks indoors.

Over the weekend the streets and squares were thronged with warmly dressed people shopping and promenading or just sitting at sidewalk cafes (admittedly with those heater lamps glowing) and watching the world go by.

It was a great atmosphere, with hot drinks and gluhwein on sale everywhere.

 

[The Dude]

Do I need to remind everyone that Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow last week?

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It's six more weeks of winter, folks.

 

[bsilva028]

It was awful here last week. I live in the middle of Sweden and it wasn't so bad, just -22C
But in the north part of the country they had -48,7C.

Now it's back to normal winter here. No snow and -2C
The sun is shining and it's just great living

-22c isnt just bad? ahhhh

its terrible !!!

I think here with +3c is too cold, so if i picked up -22c i was died frozen

 

[Mousey]

Do I need to remind everyone that Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow last week?

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It's six more weeks of winter, folks.

Crazy weather this year if you ask me. Buttercups are already blooming out here in the southern USA. If 6 more weeks of winter means 6 more weeks of 40F mornings and 60F afternoons.... I'm all for it. Beats the (weirdly) frequent snow we had last winter.

P.S. ... all this talk of minus this and minus that temperatures.... My gawd, people.... how do you stand it???

 

[vinylweatherman]

Wow, VW that is a technical post. Are you actually a weatherman in real-life?

I worked at the UK Met office HQ from 1984 to 2000, so yes, a "real life weatherman"

I began my studies at the age of 2, and it is my Gran's fault for taking me outside to look at cloud shapes as a means to distract me from something I shouldn't experience at that age. I started forecasting successfully in my early teens, often being considered more reliable than the TV forecast by the neighbours. All I did different was to look out the window to double check, and take local effects into account. Had the TV forecaster done the same, he would not have said "mainly dry" shortly before we had THREE thunderstorms

Living in a warmer zone, I found it interesting that the very cold weather in Europe did not appear to keep folks indoors.

Over the weekend the streets and squares were thronged with warmly dressed people shopping and promenading or just sitting at sidewalk cafes (admittedly with those heater lamps glowing) and watching the world go by.

It was a great atmosphere, with hot drinks and gluhwein on sale everywhere.

If we only went out when it was warm, we would spend almost our entire lives indoors

 

[anniemac]

Yep, Mousey, loving the weather here in Texas. Got flowers (bulbs) blooming and trees starting to bud. Of course, I am anticipating a really bad ice storm with all this warm weather. LOL!

I couldn't make it in really, really cold weather. Do Not like being cold.

 

[Tirilej]

This winter is not bad at all, at least not for me. Since I'm suddenly unemployed I don't have to go outside at all
The last five years I was working outside everyday. It didn't matter how cold, or how warm it was, I still had to work. My next job will be inside in a boring office somewhere with the same temperature every day...and I will love it

 

[Surasanji]

Do I need to remind everyone that Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow last week?

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It's six more weeks of winter, folks.

I say we all go watch Groundhog's Day!!

One of my favorite movies of all time, btw.

Here in Israel its cold, for us- ~10 or so. I realize, quite mild compared to most of you- even if I am technically further east!

 

[Tirilej]

Let's see if I got this right.

How to write the sign for degrees on the computer? -22°
I did it! I did it!

Had to google a little, but if anyone wants to know just type Alt+0176

 

[vinylweatherman]

I say we all go watch Groundhog's Day!!

One of my favorite movies of all time, btw.

Here in Israel its cold, for us- ~10 or so. I realize, quite mild compared to most of you- even if I am technically further east!

The deep low that formed in the Med is responsible. It has brought some of the very cold Siberian air right down into North Africa, and of course, places like Israel that are further East. This low formed because of the large high pressure blocking much of Europe's usual run of Westerlies. Your mountains probably have snow cover.

 

[Surasanji]

The deep low that formed in the Med is responsible. It has brought some of the very cold Siberian air right down into North Africa, and of course, places like Israel that are further East. This low formed because of the large high pressure blocking much of Europe's usual run of Westerlies. Your mountains probably have snow cover.

That explain it for sure!! It probably is what brought the rain and recent sand storm with it too. Any times wind comes out of Africa it brings a sand-storm. Ugh. I hate those things.

Seriously, through VWM- is there a subject you're not knowledgeable in? Underwater basket weaving maybe?

You, Sir, are a great font of knowledge. And this Forum is bettered for your participation. I always seem to learn something reading your posts! :notworthy So, thanks!

Sometimes it snows in the Negev and Judean deserts here- around Jerusalem. Up north, near the Galilee (We call it the Keneret) it sometimes snows as you head into the Golan Heights it is more likely to snow.

Six years ago it snowed in Jerusalem, when I was here as a tourist. It was pretty neat to see the old city covered in Snow. Particularly when you figure it only happens once every 3-6 years!

 

[secret2]

Do I need to remind everyone that Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow last week?

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It's six more weeks of winter, folks.

All I can say from New York is ....bring it! If it's six more weeks of THIS 'winter', I as a driver, will love it!

I have worn a t-shirt most of the time!

 

[The Dude]

It was -14 degrees this morning.

It wants to snow, but it just won't. Snow is forecasted for all of next week starting Monday...

...and then I go skiing on Friday

 

[maxd]

It's weird watching the weather patterns these past couple weeks. London and Paris, for example, have at times been warmer than Marseilles or Nice or even Rome. Naples even hit -10 while the North of France was around 0 or +2, completely flipped from the norm. Can't imagine that happens very often.

 

[bsilva028]

O.M.G. -14
here today its about +12 and its a bit cold for us

all the weather with less than +16 is cold for us lol

 

[immortality]

Wow, VW that is a technical post. Are you actually a weatherman in real-life?

Ya know, I was thinking the same thing this morning lol

 

[immortality]

It's weird watching the weather patterns these past couple weeks. London and Paris, for example, have at times been warmer than Marseilles or Nice or even Rome. Naples even hit -10 while the North of France was around 0 or +2, completely flipped from the norm. Can't imagine that happens very often.

That is very strange

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Currently -1c here in Leyland,full of the flu,got 2 hoodies on and Im still shivering :/

 

[vinylweatherman]

It's weird watching the weather patterns these past couple weeks. London and Paris, for example, have at times been warmer than Marseilles or Nice or even Rome. Naples even hit -10 while the North of France was around 0 or +2, completely flipped from the norm. Can't imagine that happens very often.

3 years on the trot so far. Different patterns, but all unusual. Last winter was in December, and was the coldest December since modern records began around 1910 in most of the UK. Northern Ireland got it pretty bad, along with parts of Eastern UK, and the whole of Scotland. The 2 years before that saw snow after Christmas, and in unusual amounts in places not usually associated with regular winter snow. This winter has been pretty mild so far, and this cold spell is nothing like the last three winters. Here it has been one snowfall, followed by a steady thaw, and possibly another on the way tomorrow. It is already mid Febrary, so despite this, the winter as a whole is likely to end up being on the "warmer than average" side for many parts of the UK.

The patterns seem to want to return to normal over the next few days, so although we could get further cold bursts, the chances of a sustained freeze are very low.

One good thing comes out of this, payments from Club World were not delayed as much as last new year when half their staff were snowed in, and much of the UK ground to a halt.

 

[immortality]

3 years on the trot so far. Different patterns, but all unusual. Last winter was in December, and was the coldest December since modern records began around 1910 in most of the UK. Northern Ireland got it pretty bad, along with parts of Eastern UK, and the whole of Scotland. The 2 years before that saw snow after Christmas, and in unusual amounts in places not usually associated with regular winter snow. This winter has been pretty mild so far, and this cold spell is nothing like the last three winters. Here it has been one snowfall, followed by a steady thaw, and possibly another on the way tomorrow. It is already mid Febrary, so despite this, the winter as a whole is likely to end up being on the "warmer than average" side for many parts of the UK.

The patterns seem to want to return to normal over the next few days, so although we could get further cold bursts, the chances of a sustained freeze are very low.

One good thing comes out of this, payments from Club World were not delayed as much as last new year when half their staff were snowed in, and much of the UK ground to a halt.

Tell me about it, a 10 min drive took 1hour 30mins, this one day it snowed and snowed nearly all day, which then turned to ice on the road, the road was literally an ice rink.

The snow was weird too, it was so powdery,that the kids couldn't even build a snowman with.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Tell me about it, a 10 min drive took 1hour 30mins, this one day it snowed and snowed nearly all day, which then turned to ice on the road, the road was literally an ice rink.

The snow was weird too, it was so powdery,that the kids couldn't even build a snowman with.

That's "powder snow", the type usually seen in continental land masses. The UK normally gets "wet snow" with a temperature hovering around freezing. This snow sticks because it contains some liquid water due to the temperature being so close to freezing. The powder snow falls when the temperature is a few degrees below freezing, and the flakes remain small and powdery. This is great for skiing, but useless for snowmen and snowball fights. This is even rarer on the western side, which is as far away from continental Europe as one can get in the UK without going for a swim. Northern Ireland broke it's lowest temperature record during the frosts that followed the snow. It was a notherly outbreak to the East of a blocking high over Greenland, and the snow eventually made it's way down to all parts, leading to the coldest December on record, and thought to be the coldest since the 1700's and the "little ice age" series of very cold winters. Overall, the winter was beaten only by 1977, 1963, and 1947 - so it could have been worse

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

That's "powder snow", the type usually seen in continental land masses. The UK normally gets "wet snow" with a temperature hovering around freezing. This snow sticks because it contains some liquid water due to the temperature being so close to freezing. The powder snow falls when the temperature is a few degrees below freezing, and the flakes remain small and powdery. This is great for skiing, but useless for snowmen and snowball fights. This is even rarer on the western side, which is as far away from continental Europe as one can get in the UK without going for a swim. Northern Ireland broke it's lowest temperature record during the frosts that followed the snow. It was a notherly outbreak to the East of a blocking high over Greenland, and the snow eventually made it's way down to all parts, leading to the coldest December on record, and thought to be the coldest since the 1700's and the "little ice age" series of very cold winters. Overall, the winter was beaten only by 1977, 1963, and 1947 - so it could have been worse

Are you this guy in disguise?

 

[immortality]

Overall, the winter was beaten only by 1977, 1963, and 1947 - so it could have been worse

Well I wasn't here before the 1980's lol

 

[vinylweatherman]

Are you this guy in disguise?

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No. I went into the development side, rather than forecasting and presenting. Without us lot, he wouldn't have a map to talk about

I worked firstly in the rainfall radar development, which was developing products and methods of display from the data coming in. This then moved on to developing products for use in industries ranging from offshore drilling to insurance claim assessment. I also developed products designed to be used by pilots before flights, which were delivered by fax where they could be picked up before departure for the usual weather briefing.

Some products were a team effort, as my work was with the mainframe computers and the interface between the model outputs and PC based products, which were developed by other members of the team. Our team was one of the first to get our grubby hands on a "state of the art" IBM PC for development long before the internet became generally available to home users. This was the start of the move from doing everything on big mainframe computers to using the mainframes for "number crunching", but having PCs do the presentation and "fancy graphics".

Incidentally, the warm front over nothern parts seems to be undergoing frontogenesis from it's north eastern end, and this is what is going to produce today's snowfall.


Technical enough for you

 

[Seventh777]

frontogenesis

I`ve tried that one (Kama Sutra page 234 figure 2), gives a whole new meaning to a warm front .

 

[immortality]

Just got a phone call from my mum, she heard on the radio just now, 'what's going on with the weather, it's colder in the Sahara than it is in the Artic, what is going on this year

Oh and snow is forecast for the Sahara, what the mmmm

 

[Greigssy]

This is typical scottish weather I dont know what all the fuss is about. But having to work outside with bare hands most of the day or night now thats is no fun.

For a change its actualy not so bad here.Well not since "Hurricane Baw-Bag" at the start of the year,now that was some crazy and frightening weather.

 

[immortality]

This is typical scottish weather I dont know what all the fuss is about. But having to work outside with bare hands most of the day or night now thats is no fun.

For a change its actualy not so bad here.Well not since "Hurricane Baw-Bag" at the start of the year,now that was some crazy and frightening weather.

I know Greigssy, what was going on with that lol.....proving my point exactly...wtf is happening to our weather patterns, Hurricanes in Scotland, Snow in the Sahara, what is going on.... is the world flipping or what, pole shifts, doesn't sound like polar shifts to me, anyone else agree, IDK

 

[Surasanji]

I`ve tried that one (Kama Sutra page 234 figure 2), gives a whole new meaning to a warm front .

Yeah. About that....

I got the bill from my chiropractor. Next time, only stuffed cattle.


On a more serious note- I find the weather to be rather interesting! The different climates I've lived in have lead me to believe one thing- I like the deserts, the mountains and the oceans! And in Israel? Its largely all of that all the time!

Here things are very mild most of the year. Probably because of the Med (correct me if I'm wrong, VWM!). The dust storms are annoying though. So much sand in my house when they get bad- regardless of how well we try to seal the windows.

I think I need to set up some kind of negative pressure barrier. Time to figure out how to make my house hermetically sealed!
That way, I'm safe in all situations! Dust storms and an airborne diseased caused Zombie Apocalypse!

 

[vinylweatherman]

I know Greigssy, what was going on with that lol.....proving my point exactly...wtf is happening to our weather patterns, Hurricanes in Scotland, Snow in the Sahara, what is going on.... is the world flipping or what, pole shifts, doesn't sound like polar shifts to me, anyone else agree, IDK

The consensus is that a sudden stratospheric warming near the pole at around 180 deg is what triggered this recent "flip out" in the weather patterns. This happens every 2-3 years, and strengths and effects vary. The same thing caused the first freeze that began this sequence of freezing winters, which began with a 2 week solid freeze for much of England in February 2009.

The patterns seem to be recovering from this disturbance, which is why it is expected that more normal weather will be returning soon.

 

[Surasanji]

The consensus is that a sudden stratospheric warming near the pole at around 180 deg is what triggered this recent "flip out" in the weather patterns. This happens every 2-3 years, and strengths and effects vary. The same thing caused the first freeze that began this sequence of freezing winters, which began with a 2 week solid freeze for much of England in February 2009.

The patterns seem to be recovering from this disturbance, which is why it is expected that more normal weather will be returning soon.

Is that anything like the El Nino/La Nina pattern that blows through the US from time to time?

Pardon my ignorance if it also effects the rest of the world, I haven't heard anything of it over here yet, so I'm not sure.

 

[chuchu59]

Is that anything like the El Nino/La Nina pattern that blows through the US from time to time?

Pardon my ignorance if it also effects the rest of the world, I haven't heard anything of it over here yet, so I'm not sure.

From what I understand this pattern also affects other areas. In Asia, we sometimes have more typhoons in some years due to this effect.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Is that anything like the El Nino/La Nina pattern that blows through the US from time to time?

Pardon my ignorance if it also effects the rest of the world, I haven't heard anything of it over here yet, so I'm not sure.

It's in La Nina mode at present. This can have effects all over the world, but the main effect is a change to rainfall patterns in countries bordering the Pacific.

Sudden stratospheric warming happens almost exclusively in the nothern hemisphere, and results from atmospheric waves in the troposphere propagating into the stratosphere, warming the very cold air there by quite significant amounts. When this happens near the pole, it reverses the westerly circulation so that it can weaken, and turn into an easterly. This can then force the usual westerlies lower down to become easterlies, and we see this as large blocking high pressure cells at high latitudes. Often this is Greenland or Scandinavia for countries bordering the Atlantic. A Greenland block makes the eastern sides of Canada and the US unusually warm, whilst plunging the UK into cold notherlies. A scandinavian block brings very cold Easterlies into western Europe and the UK, and holds back weather from the Atlantic. With Northerlies, Scotland really gets clobbered, but with Easterlies it can remain mild in north west Scotland and Northern Ireland, whilst most of England apart from the far west gets put in the freezer.

Snow is produced when atlantic weather tries to push into the cold air, and has all it's rain turned increasingly to snow. It can also be produced when cold air meets warm sea, where the worst snow hits the east coast, Scotland, and Northern Ireland in notherlies