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when are you people gonna learn, ALL online casinos are dishonest ? !

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by tzarzan, Oct 22, 2010.

    Oct 22, 2010
  1. tzarzan

    tzarzan Dormant account

    Occupation:
    rancher
    Location:
    long island, ny
    I've said it here before and I'll say it again. Onlione casinos have NO incentive to provide a fair and honest game, unlike the brick and mortars. They prey on those whom have the itch ( gAMBLING ) but have no legitemate outlet for it where so evewr they live.
    Human nature, such as it is leads these cheaters ( online casino operators ) to sink to the lowest levels possible to take what they can from a gullible and hopefull public and make them ( the fleeced sheep ) think that they are on the up and up. I worked as a programer for a major software internet casino provider and one of my main tasks was to write a program that , in fact , rigged the servers in the clioent casinos favor, especially the table games. Baccarat, outside bets on roullete or blackjack.
    I can prove my assertions with a coin toss pittede against any internet casino you chose.
    If you HAVE to gamble, buy a lottery ticket. I think lottery is for those who failed math in high school, but at least you have Big Brother looking out for you.
     
  2. Oct 22, 2010
  3. stevohhh

    stevohhh Full Member

    Occupation:
    Project Manager
    Location:
    dallas,tx
    question! you're a software programmer now?? Your profile says your a rancher!

    Are you sure your not just mads cause you lost at baccarat again :p?
     
  4. Oct 22, 2010
  5. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    So what do people like you (who obviously failed grammar) play??? "Guess which hand"?? "Pick a number between 1 and 3"??

    :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Oct 22, 2010
  7. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    Canada
    Five!
     
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  8. Oct 22, 2010
  9. blacklabrador

    blacklabrador Banned User - chargebacks - multiple banned forum

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    Ohio
    Riverbelle casino is one casino I have never had one bad expierience with. Ever. They pay promptly, the customer service is top notch and the slots/video poker are better paying than some of the B and M casinos ive been to. There is a reason i have been with them for 10+ years.
     
  10. Oct 22, 2010
  11. prindi

    prindi Senior Member

    Occupation:
    huh?
    Location:
    Valencia, CA
    This is pretty interesting. I would love to know who you worked for specifically. Im sure everyone else would be interested too. Which major software company was it? And specifically which casino? Was there a certain percentage that you would use to "skew the odds" so to speak? Exactly how was this done? Im no tech expert but I would love more details. Would you do this on an ongoing basis? Or was it for a short amount of time? Love to hear about this! Thanks!
     
  12. Oct 22, 2010
  13. blacklabrador

    blacklabrador Banned User - chargebacks - multiple banned forum

    Occupation:
    sales
    Location:
    Ohio
    I didnt have time to finish my previous reply. Anyhow, I do not find any indication of table games being rigged on the casinos i have played on. In fact, I have had rather large hits on caribbean stud $4995, and have had probably 10 nights where I was playing craps and won over $5000 starting with a $200 bankroll. None of your post makes any sense to me whatsoever. I can't speak for blackjack because I simply don't play blackjack ever.

    Furthmore, you coming out and saying that the program was rigged on an internet message board is pretty strange, and rather ballsy. I would think there would be some VERY unhappy people in the online casino industry and if they saw this, they would want to track that person down for one reason or another. Just sayin.:cool:
     
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  14. Oct 23, 2010
  15. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    The only people the OP needs to worry about when it comes to being tracked down are the Bullshit Police......
     
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  16. Oct 23, 2010
  17. X-Raided

    X-Raided I'm Beetlejuice Baby! PABinit

    Occupation:
    Professional Sleeper
    Location:
    Florida
    There is a small percentage that it could be true.

    Even if he really is just a cow rancher and hasn't
    worked for an online casino, messing with the software
    to make us lose, who's to say that this isn't going on for real elsewhere?

    My money is on him being pissed off that he lost and wants to vent
    a little.
     
  18. Oct 23, 2010
  19. oldtrvlagt

    oldtrvlagt Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Self Employed Travel Agent
    Location:
    Iowa
    O.K. first of all, you sound like you are totally p.o. because you lost somewhere along the line. Second of all, anyone can post anything but without cold hard facts it's like blowing smoke in the wind. Third point, remember, spell check is your friend, in particular when you are posting on a forum and trying to be taken seriously.

    Present your case, present the facts, but if you want people to give constructive feedback don't insinuate that everyone who gambles online is an idiot!
     
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  20. Oct 23, 2010
  21. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

    Occupation:
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    Manchester UK
    Probably not a good thing to make fun of somebodies grammar and then use multiple question marks in your own while attempting to do so.
    Just a thought.
     
  22. Oct 24, 2010
  23. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    The use of multiple question marks for the sake of emphasis is an accepted convention in modern English. It is also a far cry from the alphabet soup that the OP served up.

    I also do not see the point of your post Rusty - I thought we put the personal stuff behind us.
     
  24. Oct 24, 2010
  25. assa92004

    assa92004 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    IT / Associate producer
    Location:
    Melbourne Australia
    forgive my syntax and grammar but...

    I would like to share an experience at 2 RTG places the other day.

    I have been Playing online for about 7 or 8 years or perhaps a little more.
    So Im not naive but also not an expert however I was starting to think
    that at online casinos and especially RTG that they do personal account tabulating and keeping track of your win / loose and pay out accordingly.
    * read in their favor

    Whilst the nature of the beast is that until the books are opened, which will never happen, this is only conjecture but please allow me lets call it an educated conjecture with some empirical evidence added.

    I was playing at what i considered to be a safe (is there such a thing)
    RTG place, however I hadn't won anything for god knows how long. Many months say. (how many lets say more than 4 less than 8)
    A long time. So a week or so ago, I said after yet another 200.00 deposit
    gone in 60 seconds (well longer but you know what I mean). I contacted Live help and requested my account be deleted (suspended).
    They wanted to now why, I said because I cant win (remember that line for later OK). Now there was song back and forth, the old you are having a bad run of luck , you know the normal dribble that spews forth when you complain. I said enough close it down, I cant win, and they did so. Nice finally i thought.

    I went to my next RTG and deposited I believe a smaller amount I think from memory 60 or 100.00. I lost it, I then did the same, and went to Live chat to cancel my membership. (again because same deal I haven't won in months many months ) Now keep the idea that they pay according to how much you win loose. etc (and for any one that thinks they cant, its a computer its what they do best so settle down and just consider the possibility).

    Now anyway where was I oh yes, live chat to cancel, and it was the same chap, lets call him Jake I said wow, you get around, and he informed me that the 2 RTGs are connected (some of you clever ones can probably guess what 2 only RTGs are connected). I said to Jake, wow so that last deposit had no chance of winning then really did it. I would like to close my account.
    The gave me in 3 lots 500.00 of house (with play thru of course) bonuses.
    200, 150 and 150 from memory. and I didn't get past scratch.
    Jake bless his heart said that I wasn't to worry that i wasn't winning and that the other place that is connected I was actually a head . I said yes thats because I got a 1900 jackpot on the slots many months ago.

    Now it seems to me that after all that, and ea time I went back, saying give me some more bonuses because frankly I cant win here the computer hates me, and guess what didn't get past scratch. IE say on the 200.00 bonus as example, lost it all with never having a chance to even get past the original 200. same with the 150 x 2 bonuses.

    so you see its doesn't matter that they are tracking your win loss and paying you accordingly, the fact is it is happening. These were all slots BTW.
    no table games at all. So What i can work out, once you have a win
    (at this group of 2 RTGs at least) they will make pretty damn sure you cant win until they have their money back. The sucky thing is this though
    that it transcends from the one place where i was slightly ahead even not winning for many months to the other place so its bad enough that they are probably accounting but its group wide not at a single site.

    urggh.. enough this fool and his money has had enough.
    The funny thing is even the live help staff (jake and co) said the same thing and said look maybe its time you stop for a while because you cant win after all the money i have piled in, and the icing on top was the 500 in 3 lumps they put in. and they said, stop u cant win its a fact LOL
    enough.
    guys please play for fun, but never think they aren't making damn sure that YOU never win (there are exceptions there has to be) but generally speaking the vast majority of players it is like this, You deposit at (this) RTG the system has already determined even before you play if you are going to win or loose (loose most likely) by what you have won previously.
    So they are micro managing on a player *customer by customer basis.
    I even said, can i just send you the money and just chat as it seems less frustrating and more likely to be more fun.

    and consider this, if they are doing the above,

    - who would know. I mean its all kept quite secret
    - gee they are in the business to make money in a business that has no
    real watch dog so they can micro manage and pretty well do what they
    want.
    - see above as it says its all we have only their word for it.
    and the jurisdiction of grand caman island of Haiti or where the tin pot
    overseeing body is, which basically means .. see my first 2 points again.

    Until they are watched like B and W casinos they really cant be trusted
    its like asking your bank to self regulate. They cant. greed will take hold
    only in my case they just got (their system) to greedy to the point that the staff said stop our system wont let you win, direct quote.

    cheers

    I tell you though, for the 1000's that I have lost it has been fun
    but at some point when its so obviously rigged you have to say enough.
     
  26. Oct 24, 2010
  27. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    Arizona



    No, we only feel like idiots, when we lose! Oh heck, just dawned on me, no wonder I felt like an idiot so much! :oops:
     
  28. Oct 24, 2010
  29. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    I'm never personal nifty, I'm like this with everyone.;)

    I will PM you with my reasoning.
     
  30. Oct 25, 2010
  31. reda

    reda Senior Member PABnonaccred

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    @assa92094 intresting post. sometimes we all wonder if there is a tracking device . i have played and won at several rtg casinos and then continue to play there hopeing to get lucky again except it doesnt happen. i will eventually have some good luck but im down for about a yr before it happens. seems im due now . :) . seems like what you are saying makes sense to me but of course the casino will say its just a run of bad luck.
     
  32. Oct 25, 2010
  33. Mavin1

    Mavin1 Dormant account

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    It's the paradox of the non-random random. :D


    Word for the day; Paradox - not pronounced, pair of ducks.

    par·a·dox   /ˈpærəˌdɒks/ Show Spelled
    [par-uh-doks] Show IPA

    –noun
    1. a statement or proposition that seems self-contradictory or absurd but in reality expresses a possible truth.
    2. a self-contradictory and false proposition.
    3. any person, thing, or situation exhibiting an apparently contradictory nature.
     
  34. Oct 25, 2010
  35. EbeeDog

    EbeeDog Senior Member MM

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    Akron OH
    assa92094:

    Before some folks get on here and start telling you all that clap-trap about it being your imagination, or that you're a sore loser, or that RTG is so wholesomely accredited, safe, fair etc.etc. ad nauseum, (which, if it does happen, will sound a lot like the casino reps' pithy answers, except they may not be as polite :), try doing a search here on CM for "Blackjack." You will find similar stories - along with replies from members hastening to assure them that it just couldn't be possible from the great RTG! Which, gee, just happens to be the only software other than Rival (cough cough ....rogue) that US members can play.

    Also, RTG's website advertises (along with how lucrative their software is for licensees) that its programming has built in detection of fraudulent activity (bot play, for example.) It is not too big of a leap of logic to assume that they can and do track your play habits. (Nope, not fact, JMO)

    BTW, my "hard luck" story is almost word for word the same as yours, and, at what I suspect is one of the same casinos. (A fruit that figures prominently in many slots- heh.)

    Again, no hard evidence to back up my opinion here, just my experiences.

    Also some trawling through forums for affiliates where they're comparing payouts, commissions, and how many regular fish they currently have didn't exactly increase my confidence in online casinos either.

    Peace and GL to you.

    Grammar police - get over yourselves.
     
  36. Oct 25, 2010
  37. assa92004

    assa92004 Dormant account

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    Well of course it goes like if we are wrong and brimming over with wrongability then they will defend (watch out for hidden people with agendas too)
    what myself and others have said, but i suspect they will go quiet.

    Just be curious who does come out and say we are wrong. LOL might be an indicator of whom they are. It would be like someone defending the banks for high fees and charges. Normally indicates some one with shares in, or works for bank. I mean no right minded person would defend a bank
    same goes for online casino. LOL so it may be interesting to see what
    we have poked. Either way I think the jig is up (again I can almost definitely only say that at the 2 RTG's those gems of places i played at for so long thinking that it was electronic casino random as apposed to lying out of their ass's random.

    banks, online casinos cigarette company's would any of these fine institution lie to us LOL.
     
  38. Oct 25, 2010
  39. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    @Assa: Didn't you say that you were ahead at one of those casinos?

    If so, why would you be complaining? Most of us would give our left testicle to be ahead at a casino. You won a $1900 jackpot, and they also gave you $500 in freebies.

    I'm not sure about anyone else, but do you want to swap places? ;)

    As far as this personal tracking issue is concerned, it is just pure speculation. Your experiences are not out of the ordinary and do not fall outside what could be expected from slot games. When someone comes up with the evidence of tampering or cheating, I am behind them 100%. Until then, it seems the vast majority of these suspicions come after one has taken a big hit or had a long losing streak, and it is possible that emotion affects their judgement in these cases.

    If anybody has evidence to the contrary, I'm all ears.
     

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