What's the story at Jackpot Capital?
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Frankly I may have lost on every deposit at Grande Vegas but I had a couple of cashouts at Lucky Club. As for JC itself sometimes I win, somettimes I lose. I cant see much difference compared with other rtgs. One thing is tight though. Their nd bonuses seem to have vanished over the past month. Previously, if you had deposited you get at least 10 or 20 bucks. Now its a fat 0.
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I don't know why you gamble.
Just about every post is complaining about losing or whatever.
I wonder which casino will be on the menu next week?
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Well, guess what? I just lost another 4 teeny-weeny deposits at GV. Played table games throughout.
Do you win from RTG casinos?
When i made first deposit to lucky club I won but then "nothing"... Same thing I have heard also from other players that they have only few cashouts from RTG casinos but mostly they have lost all money.
If compare to other casinos I have made much more cashouts from any other casinos rival, playtech, netenet, microgaming...
When i made first deposit to lucky club I won but then "nothing"... Same thing I have heard also from other players that they have only few cashouts from RTG casinos but mostly they have lost all money.
If compare to other casinos I have made much more cashouts from any other casinos rival, playtech, netenet, microgaming...
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One very intesting thing at these rtg casinos. I play the same games nearly every time and my personal opinion is that they have lowered the rtp by maintaining the large wins but reducing the number of smaller wins. Say diamond dozen, 2 blue diamond scatters pay 2x your bet and there are 2 of them in each of the 2 reels. However, if you get one in the first reel you rarely get the second one although in theory you should get them pretty often given that there are 2 of them in the second reel. Anyone who doubts this may test them at min bets themslves. Then there is Baccarat. I have played this game at half a dozen rtgs. I always bet on banker but at all of them I will encounter player streaks of 5-6 hands in a row after my first 10 bets. Coincidence? Methinks not especially if this occurs at all rtgs I play at.
I notice lately the features are paying out less as well. There's nothing more frustrating then finally hitting one, receiving 15 free spins, and then winning 13 dollars from a $2.50 average per spin.
When they tighten them its the first and third reel. I was playing mice dice yesterday and had 4 mouse dealer missing the third reel, paid 7 bucks, that sucked.
I can attest that these RTG reels can be manipulated anytime. Ever notice when you hit a threshold of say $100, $300 , $5 that you get a nice win? Can't just be coincidence.
I experienced the ultimate free play mode three weeks ago at an accredited RTG casino and what a rush it was. Decided to deposit and take a bonus for slots only $300 plus bonus. I s4it you not, I turned that $300 into over $7k playing over a 24 period. Hitting everything, I mean everything, features on every slot within 50 spins, multiple retriggers. Even when I ramped up the betting to $6.25 $12.50, $25, even $50 I was winning, it was nuts.
Playing baskutbull, hit 4 balls plus made all four shots ended up with 50 free spins lol. Big hits on Twister, Mr. Money, T Rex, I even played Enchanted Garden!
Didn't realize until later the max cashout was $2k. It was totally rigged in my favor but fun. It was so obvious..
In exchange for the lower payouts on features you will notice bigger wins on regular spins to compensate somewhat imo.
So i guess one will have to change their way of thinking when playing. Instead of waiting for a good feature to hit to recover, pay attention to each spin. The turbo guys like myself will have to adjust playing style. Stick by your computer..
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Sorry Dave, but you do not have the first clue.
You can "watch" the spins until your eyes bleed, but it won't make a shred of difference. The spins are random so if there is any "pattern" then it is completely "in your mind".
If casinos thought slots could be beaten by "watching" them they wouldn't offer them.....but hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good....well I was going to say conspiracy theory, but it's far too ridiculous even for that.
The fact that you took a bonus on a $300 deposit with a $2k max cashout pretty much sums up where you're at.
What do you mean? I have always been a VP player. Hadn't dabbled much in slots i mean we're talking $300. Read the terms later of course . You can justify your randomness claim all you want, but what i experienced was absolutely a guaranteed result in my favor. My account was earmarked to win non stop for a 24 hour period. Maybe your an affiliate? I am not dropping any casino names here. It was not jackpot capital..
Nifty if you went thru the same 24 hour period like i did you would be rolling your eyes too. i am not kidding.
Nifty if you went thru the same 24 hour period like i did you would be rolling your eyes too. i am not kidding.
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FYI dave
Don't argue with Nifty you will lose there too
gl trying to find skill techniques to win in online casinos
Don't argue with Nifty you will lose there too
gl trying to find skill techniques to win in online casinos
I have been playing a lot at JC and although Ihave not cashed out, I have gotten a lot of play time..I also noticed that the bonus rounds seem to be very weak in payouts...Also, I just received a 200.00 ND bonus with a max cashout of 5x's, pretty nice.
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At least JC's CS is good. 
RTG is RTG. That's all I have to play with. SO the best CS wins my money in my book.
If you are going to play online in the USA, then I will play at an online casino that has polite, courteous and helpful, timely email responses (if that's all there is ) and LIVE chat and, of course, if it is accredited with timely payments.
So,I weigh up where I play.
JC has always treated me wonderfully even though I may not win.
I have continuous letters with ND bonuses from JC.
RTG is RTG. That's all I have to play with. SO the best CS wins my money in my book.
If you are going to play online in the USA, then I will play at an online casino that has polite, courteous and helpful, timely email responses (if that's all there is ) and LIVE chat and, of course, if it is accredited with timely payments.
So,I weigh up where I play.
JC has always treated me wonderfully even though I may not win.
I have continuous letters with ND bonuses from JC.
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Won a 3,5k random with a very small deposit...no bonus, all cashable at Jackpot Capital.
Also lost over 100 deposits to Lucky Red and managed to cashout small amounts twice.
It's all just down to luck...nothing else. Although I do like conspiracy theories
Also lost over 100 deposits to Lucky Red and managed to cashout small amounts twice.
It's all just down to luck...nothing else. Although I do like conspiracy theories
I agree, it is all about luck..Thats why they call it gambling...But in my opinion JC has always been friendly and does send me bonuses, although I rarely take them..At least I can deposit there with my visa (USA player) with no hassels...
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I can assure you that I've been through some absolutely horrible runs of losses......along with some amazing runs of good luck...interspersed with just average results.
The difference is, I call it "gambling" and you call it "rigged".
I would consider myself extremely daft if I was convinced I was being ripped off, and yet continued to play. It would mean that either I didn't really believe it, or that I had an uncontrollable gambling problem.
I was just like you once Dave. If you want to enjoy your gambling, get educated about how it all works. Nasty runs of luck can happen even in a 99.9% rtp game, so a few bad sessions at a particular casino means little in the overall scheme of things. The first lesson you should learn is to always read the terms before you play as that bonus you took was awful and deals like that will ensure you end up in the red long term.
As for being an affiliate, I'm afraid that old mare has been flogged well and truly to death.
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Sure about that
RTP is changed by switching to an alternate reel set, and my changing the probability tables used in "pick" bonus features.
Operators can switch between a number of presets supplied by RTG as part of the package. Officially, there are three per slot game, 91%, 95% and 97.5%. The default of 95% is what is supplied. The discussion centres on the nature of the procedures used to switch to these alternate reel sets. The official line is that this can only be done by RTG, and they have rules in place that limit operators to one change per 6 months, and they cannot keep messing around with RTP on a day to day basis. Allegations have been made that this is a lie, and that operators can make these changes from their onw console when they like, and as often as they like, with no control being exercised by RTG.
The RTP of table and Video Poker games is done by altering the payout tables, and thus it is easy for players to check which RTP setting a particular casino is using, as well as spotting when, and how often, they switch. Blackjack also has a setting that allows the number of decks in use to be set between 1 and 255. This CANNOT be easily spotted just by looking at the rules and pays.
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Good grief! How much starch was sprayed on your undies?
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Sure about that
RTP is changed by switching to an alternate reel set, and by changing the probability tables used in "pick" bonus features.
The RTP of table and Video Poker games is done by altering the payout tables, and thus it is easy for players to check which RTP setting a particular casino is using, as well as spotting when, and how often, they switch.
Are you positive the RTP on a slot machine could only be changed by changing the reel set? Couldn't the RTP be also adjusted by simply changing the probability tables for each stop, adding to the probabilities the RNG has to choose from?
Please trust that I'm not looking for debate here by asking you this next question. If what you say about how slot machines, and video poker functions operate online is fact; where is it you got this confirmed information? Did you actually read somewhere that these software functions you mentioned being used are a regulatory requirement to operate an online casino? If not where did that information come from?
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I have to agree something isn't right with JC. I got 2 ND bonus at Grande Vegas and they went in 4X at avg 1.25 spin and 6X at avg $1.00 spin. Only 2 bonus Round 1 paid $6.xx at $1.25 other was 9.xx at $1.00
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Vinyl, you and I both know about how the RTG rtps are set. Bryan and dogboy etc have confirmed it. Of course, neither of them have any experience or credibility so I guess you can take it with a grain of salt
It doesn't matter how much evidence or whatever is provided, there will always be some who believe its all a ruse and their is an industry-wide conspiracy involving thousands of people.
Mind you, at least it's better than a pointless comment about underwear.....
It doesn't matter how much evidence or whatever is provided, there will always be some who believe its all a ruse and their is an industry-wide conspiracy involving thousands of people.
Mind you, at least it's better than a pointless comment about underwear.....
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Jibes like this get old pretty quickly: if you've got a problem with a particular person on the forums then "Ignore" them. Repeated personal attacks are not the way to go. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Here's an article on how slot machines work.
How Do Slot Machines Work?
Slot machines today are a lot different from the old mechanical slots that used to be around. The old mechanical slots used springs and tension to determine where the reels would stop. The new electronic machines use a much more sophisticated electronic method to determine the outcome of your spin.
The heart of the slot machine is the Random Number Generator (RNG). The RNG starts working as soon as the slot machine is turned on, and spits out random numbers, usually between 0 and several million, at a rate of 300-500 per second. The RNG never stops working, and is not influenced by any outside factors, so the numbers are always totally random.
Modern slot machines at casinos and online both work in the same way. When you place your bet and press the "Spin" button, the slot machine takes the next few values from the RNG and processes them through a complex computer program to determine the values that the reels should have.
Even though this computation does take only a short time, the games are not pre-programmed to pay out at any set time. This means that every spin has the same chance of winning nothing as it does of winning the jackpot.
We have researched the way that slot machines work out the values and have provided this example as a general idea of how slot machines work out the position of the reels and the way that the payout's will happen. Our example uses a standard 5-line slot machine.
When you press the "Spin" button, the slot machine will grab the next 5 numbers from the RNG and store these in it's memory. The slot machine uses the first number to determine the position of the first reel, the second number determines the position of the second reel, and so on.
To work out the position, the computer divides the random number by a set value. This is usually a standard computer value of 16, 32, 64, etc. This works because of the way that computers mainly work in powers of 2, and this makes it easier for the computer to work out a value. As an example of how this works, say our random value is 3,486,421 and the computer divides by 128. When you divide the random number by 128, you have a remainder of 81. The machine has set values of where to stop the reel for every value from 0 to 127, because these are the numbers that will be left over after dividing the random number by 128. This tells the machine to stop the reel at that position.
As there are is usually always more numbers to decide from then positions on the reels, each position on the reel has more then one number assigned to it. This means that the machines can be changed by changing the numbers that are assigned to each position on the reel. This is the only way that operators can control the way that the machines work.
How Do Slot Machines Work?
Slot machines today are a lot different from the old mechanical slots that used to be around. The old mechanical slots used springs and tension to determine where the reels would stop. The new electronic machines use a much more sophisticated electronic method to determine the outcome of your spin.
The heart of the slot machine is the Random Number Generator (RNG). The RNG starts working as soon as the slot machine is turned on, and spits out random numbers, usually between 0 and several million, at a rate of 300-500 per second. The RNG never stops working, and is not influenced by any outside factors, so the numbers are always totally random.
Modern slot machines at casinos and online both work in the same way. When you place your bet and press the "Spin" button, the slot machine takes the next few values from the RNG and processes them through a complex computer program to determine the values that the reels should have.
Even though this computation does take only a short time, the games are not pre-programmed to pay out at any set time. This means that every spin has the same chance of winning nothing as it does of winning the jackpot.
We have researched the way that slot machines work out the values and have provided this example as a general idea of how slot machines work out the position of the reels and the way that the payout's will happen. Our example uses a standard 5-line slot machine.
When you press the "Spin" button, the slot machine will grab the next 5 numbers from the RNG and store these in it's memory. The slot machine uses the first number to determine the position of the first reel, the second number determines the position of the second reel, and so on.
To work out the position, the computer divides the random number by a set value. This is usually a standard computer value of 16, 32, 64, etc. This works because of the way that computers mainly work in powers of 2, and this makes it easier for the computer to work out a value. As an example of how this works, say our random value is 3,486,421 and the computer divides by 128. When you divide the random number by 128, you have a remainder of 81. The machine has set values of where to stop the reel for every value from 0 to 127, because these are the numbers that will be left over after dividing the random number by 128. This tells the machine to stop the reel at that position.
As there are is usually always more numbers to decide from then positions on the reels, each position on the reel has more then one number assigned to it. This means that the machines can be changed by changing the numbers that are assigned to each position on the reel. This is the only way that operators can control the way that the machines work.
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Just wanted to mention that RTG operators cannot change the RTP of a game.
Honestly, do we need another RTG/RTP thread? Please say it ain't so.
Honestly, do we need another RTG/RTP thread? Please say it ain't so.
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Certainly not... Just that vinyleweatherman made a post in this thread which I disagree with and was just looking for verification.
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You tend to get two types of slot machines.
The old days, land-based slots used to have physical reels. Obviously this put a massive restriction on your reel length (as they would have to physically get bigger in order to accommodate more symbols). The solution to this problem was to weight each position on the reel. Thus you might over have one of each symbol on the physical reel, but the low symbols were weighted more and thus would appear more. But I'm sure you know this.
When slots moved over to online/computer versions they were initially designed in the same manner. This was for no other reason than "that's the way slots worked". And yes, they worked exactly as you described above and a lot of old three reel slots will still work like that.
Eventually however it was realised that due to the fact that reel lengths are no longer restricted by physical reels, there is no reason to weight symbols and instead you could simply add more of that symbol onto the reel. Generally this is how video slots function these days.
When looking for material on how they function, you'll want to search for "video slots" instead of just "slots". Most 5 reel slots are video slots, which differentiates them from the old weighted reel slots.
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Can a stock be manipulated??? YES!!! Can the price of silver/gold be manipulated? YES!!! Can the price of oil/gas be manipulated? YES!!! Why are some people so blind to think casino software can't, is beyond me. Do I feel these casino owners and providers manipulate their games? YES! I don't care how much math you do that shows the house edge. MONEY is GREED and they faster you can get it. The GREEDIER you are. For one to believe everything these owners says. Is like believing your elected official has your best interest at heart. Boxing has been proven to be rigged at times. NBA,NFL, MLB, etc. So why not online casinos???
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Online casinos have been rigged in the past, that's a fact. But that is not the case with the subject of this thread which supposedly has to do with Jackpot Capital.
If you want to talk about greed, what about players? People do a lot of crazy things, like signing up in a forum again and again and again after being banned numerous times for flaming and committing player fraud. And how is player fraud NOT connected with GREED?
Like they say, those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
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Online casinos have been rigged in the past, that's a fact. But that is not the case with the subject of this thread which supposedly has to do with Jackpot Capital.
If you want to talk about greed, what about players? People do a lot of crazy things, like signing up in a forum again and again and again after being banned numerous times for flaming and committing player fraud. And how is player fraud NOT connected with GREED?
Like they say, those who live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.
Yea Meister, there sure has been a lot of that going around as well huh?
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Oh No.
Who is it really Bryan? Someone we all know I assume?
Who is it really Bryan? Someone we all know I assume?
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Both being banned at a forum and manipulating an online casino are at the discretion of the operator!
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The method by which RTG make changes to RTP was outlined in detail by Dogboy, and his credentials are that he works for a company that designs these games for RTG. Each game is designed with three different reel sets, and pick bonus features have different probabilty tables. When RTP is changed by RTG on behalf of a casino (reference, Bryan and Simmo, who got their information from RTG and operators prepared to share this with them), it is a matter of selecting one of 3 RTP options. It is not a case of them thinking up a number and typing it in.
Some of the reelstrips are VERY long, and the key symbol to get a bonus round could be one of a hundred on that particular reel.
As these are video slots, each reel strip does not necessarily have the same number of symbols, and is not constrained by it having to fit inside a physical slot cabinet.
Each symbol, or "stop" has an equal probabilty of being the one selected. Clever spacing of symbols, and variations in number between adjoining reels, is what gives some games their "weird" behaviour that can look very much as though the game is "rigged".
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Oh No.
Who is it really Bryan? Someone we all know I assume?
Yeah Bryan, who is it????? I wasn't too impressed at his/her start at posting. But then he/she actually made a funny post! That made me crack up. I do not remember who was funny in the past here.
I am gonna go crazy if someone does not spill the beans!!
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Here you go...
Feel better now?
Actually I would LOVE to know who it was too - but I'm not sure Bryan's gonna tell...
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Oh No.
Who is it really Bryan? Someone we all know I assume?
Pennysilvania posse I suspect.
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Oh No.
Who is it really Bryan? Someone we all know I assume?
It's a long time contributor <cough> to this forum, who on one hand despises me and wishes I were dead - and considers this forum a piece of crap full of "senior citizens", yet on the other hand he keeps coming back
Here are some of his older accounts:
Atlanta
Itoldyouso
Jtmoney
Murder1
Lordhavemercy
Upset
maxine
mishun
3cardpoker
Richard
GreyDay
Cant_Get_Right
CoolCat
And a couple of his more recent comments directed towards me:
What a nut.
He's a loser in life that hides behind pathetic forum personalities. Actually, I feel sorry for the guy. He absolutely has no life - zilch. He has nothing but a computer and a gambling problem.
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It's a long time contributor <cough> to this forum, who on one hand despises me and wishes I were dead - and considers this forum a piece of crap full of "senior citizens", yet on the other hand he keeps coming back
Here are some of his older accounts:
Atlanta
Itoldyouso
Jtmoney
Murder1
Lordhavemercy
Upset
maxine
mishun
3cardpoker
Richard
GreyDay
Cant_Get_Right
CoolCat
And a couple of his more recent comments directed towards me:
What a nut.
He's a loser in life that hides behind pathetic forum personalities. Actually, I feel sorry for the guy. He absolutely has no life - zilch. He has nothing but a computer and a gambling problem.
Oh geez. What a capital L LOSER.
I should have known.
Maybe we could have a free beer contest and whoever spots them next time wins
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It's a long time contributor <cough> to this forum, who on one hand despises me and wishes I were dead - and considers this forum a piece of crap full of "senior citizens", yet on the other hand he keeps coming back
Here are some of his older accounts:
Atlanta
Itoldyouso
Jtmoney
Murder1
Lordhavemercy
Upset
maxine
mishun
3cardpoker
Richard
GreyDay
Cant_Get_Right
CoolCat
And a couple of his more recent comments directed towards me:
What a nut.
He's a loser in life that hides behind pathetic forum personalities. Actually, I feel sorry for the guy. He absolutely has no life - zilch. He has nothing but a computer and a gambling problem.
I thought all the internet no lifers played MMORPG`s
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I have to admit I played MMO`s for years, if you watch that South Park episode you will see a weapon at the end - The Sword of a Thousand Truths, my WoW character actually had that sword lol.
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I have to admit I played MMO`s for years, if you watch that South Park episode you will see a weapon at the end - The Sword of a Thousand Truths, my WoW character actually had that sword lol.
Brilliant!
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Just wait while I open another account, then I'll have £10,000 on myself
Any excuse to wear a dress hey
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Hehe, if you like South Park then this episode from season 14 has to be their best yet, when I watched this episode I couldn`t stop laughing, a clip.......
Here`s your cab fare home, priceless lol.
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