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JdRocks said:
Kids can play the £5 jackpot fruities, which a lot of them can save up for big streaks.
I myself have had 50 quid streaks out of some of them.
Imagine being a eight year old kid and dropping 40 or 50 quid out of a machine
Those are going to be the problem gamblers of the future.
I see local kids going in the arcades at the coast piling the quid coins into machines, and when they are skint they watch there mates piling quid coins into the machines.
I know they are locals as I see the same faces everytime I go.
What is the government doing about this? They are more interested in limiting my 9p spins on DOA
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This is so true. Ceartin fiver jackpots out there, like golden game for example, can take 70 quid before giving a top feature. The base game wins being 1 quid and 5 quids only, and when dead often do just one fiver win during that 60 quid loss with ine 'fiver win from bars and the odd quid return from x's here n there. which unless they know how to play on for more returns or a streak, if they aint already thinking,wtf is this doing for a 5 quid jackpot and leaving.. they can lose an absolute crap load. Though these are available for kids in under 18 sections across the country.

Most the new ones streak as you say, 30-60 quid runs when its saved eniugh to pay for it. 20 mins of jackpot after jackpot every board. Kids would go nuts and want to re-live the magic after that. Probably tell their friends who become interested.
Some crazy rules out there tbh.

Not to mention those fruit machines converted to ticket payout, with waaay below 70% rtp on them for tickets that you need 4 billion of to exchange for a 5 pack of out of date mars bars.

*And even the 3 year olds are at it... i cannot tell you how many times that while someone is watching football in a pub that their kid beside them/ near me has sneaked off from the parent and is trying to climb up and take over my machine. Got into some serious fights and lost a fair few with the cheeky lil gits when they refuse to go away, or darn right blatently attempt to steal my coins from the payout tray. some lil nippers can give a severe headbutt too when provoked.


*Some sentances may be exaggerated/ complete bollocks
 
adamtheaddict said:
This is so true. Ceartin fiver jackpots out there, like golden game for example, can take 70 quid before giving a top feature. The base game wins being 1 quid and 5 quids only, and when dead often do just one fiver win during that 60 quid loss with ine 'fiver win from bars and the odd quid return from x's here n there. which unless they know how to play on for more returns or a streak, if they aint already thinking,wtf is this doing for a 5 quid jackpot and leaving.. they can lose an absolute crap load. Though these are available for kids in under 18 sections across the country.

Most the new ones streak as you say, 30-60 quid runs when its saved eniugh to pay for it. 20 mins of jackpot after jackpot every board. Kids would go nuts and want to re-live the magic after that. Probably tell their friends who become interested.
Some crazy rules out there tbh.

Not to mention those fruit machines converted to ticket payout, with waaay below 70% rtp on them for tickets that you need 4 billion of to exchange for a 5 pack of out of date mars bars.

*And even the 3 year olds are at it... i cannot tell you how many times that while someone is watching football in a pub that their kid beside them/ near me has sneaked off from the parent and is trying to climb up and take over my machine. Got into some serious fights and lost a fair few with the cheeky lil gits when they refuse to go away, or darn right blatently attempt to steal my coins from the payout tray. some lil nippers can give a severe headbutt too when provoked.


*Some sentances may be exaggerated/ complete bollocks
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Let's just call it a draw :oops::laugh:
 
Mouche12 said:
Not related to this thread, sorry, but why was ed skull murphy banned, usually the reason is mentioned, but not in his case...?
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I don't know why, but he did post a link to an anti-Semitic rhetoric to "open our eyes" and recently claimed to have a winning strategy....
Can't be sure, maybe none of those posts was the reason he was banned.
 
nikantw said:
I don't know why, but he did post a link to an anti-Semitic rhetoric to "open our eyes" and recently claimed to have a winning strategy....
Can't be sure, maybe none of those posts was the reason he was banned.
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I wondered why too, I only noticed this morning??? :confused::confused:
checked his recent posts and can't see anything wrong with them, unless something bad has already been removed or I missed the offending one when searching.
 
dunover said:
I wondered why too, I only noticed this morning??? :confused::confused:
checked his recent posts and can't see anything wrong with them, unless something bad has already been removed or I missed the offending one when searching.
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I re-read his previous posts too :oops:

Couldn't see anything jump out at me, although I believe it probably has to do with some type of link as Nikantw said :cool:
 
I’ve said it before and i’ll say it again:

Why oh why do the casinos owners not pool some resources and mount some kind of legal defence / structured legal representation and fight these UKGC rules coming into play - they are now becoming strongly anti-business and the amount of players you guys are going to be losing it would be cheap at the price.

Yet I never hear not a peep on it or read about any pushback whatsoever. You know if its unchallenged the situation will only get worse - those gambling taxes will rise and the rules will become more and more draconian and difficult to enforce.
 
As I am in Australia, as well as on a break which expires in April, currently none of this applies to me. After reading this thread though, I am not sure I will be re-activating my account.

However, I am a little unclear as to what a 'loss limit' actually is.

As VS was originally including cashback, free spins, free rolls, etc, does this mean it is being used as a tool to limit the amount one is able to win? If my loss limit is set to $800, and I have a session where my winnings/losses are up and down like a whore's drawers, with my losses eventually totalling my loss limit, does this mean I will have a block placed on my account to prevent me playing?

Most of my major wins have come after losses which have almost wiped out my balance, then I get lucky, increase my balance, lose again, win again and then increase my bet size to something substantial, (e.g. $45), and even though I have lost thousands in a session, I have won far, far more. Would this betting pattern be flagged by VS under this 'loss limit'?

Apologies if I have misunderstood. I would be very grateful if someone could please explain in terms I can understand. :confused:
 
Jono777 said:
Really hoped I wouldn't be posting in this thread again, Geez what a mess!

Seems somehow a 0.50p loss limit has been set on my account, I mean who in their right mind would set this??????????

Dan, If you would be so kind I've sent you a PM. - Thank

Hows pimped getting on m8?



(Unrelated: also guilty of checking ed murphys previous post history)
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ladyhawke said:
As I am in Australia, as well as on a break which expires in April, currently none of this applies to me. After reading this thread though, I am not sure I will be re-activating my account.

However, I am a little unclear as to what a 'loss limit' actually is.

As VS was originally including cashback, free spins, free rolls, etc, does this mean it is being used as a tool to limit the amount one is able to win? If my loss limit is set to $800, and I have a session where my winnings/losses are up and down like a whore's drawers, with my losses eventually totalling my loss limit, does this mean I will have a block placed on my account to prevent me playing?

Most of my major wins have come after losses which have almost wiped out my balance, then I get lucky, increase my balance, lose again, win again and then increase my bet size to something substantial, (e.g. $45), and even though I have lost thousands in a session, I have won far, far more. Would this betting pattern be flagged by VS under this 'loss limit'?

Apologies if I have misunderstood. I would be very grateful if someone could please explain in terms I can understand. :confused:
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Same for me.

To me a loss limit has been reached as soon as deposits lost amount to it.
 
I just thought of something. If one was to ask for free spins, bonus. That player would now be flagged? I was told by VIP Johnathan that if I complain about crappy play time and have to ask for a freebie then I cant afford the "loss". If that is the case then the whole VIP section should be wiped out under the premise that it is a "loss"
 
ladyhawke said:
As I am in Australia, as well as on a break which expires in April, currently none of this applies to me. After reading this thread though, I am not sure I will be re-activating my account.

However, I am a little unclear as to what a 'loss limit' actually is.

As VS was originally including cashback, free spins, free rolls, etc, does this mean it is being used as a tool to limit the amount one is able to win? If my loss limit is set to $800, and I have a session where my winnings/losses are up and down like a whore's drawers, with my losses eventually totalling my loss limit, does this mean I will have a block placed on my account to prevent me playing?

Most of my major wins have come after losses which have almost wiped out my balance, then I get lucky, increase my balance, lose again, win again and then increase my bet size to something substantial, (e.g. $45), and even though I have lost thousands in a session, I have won far, far more. Would this betting pattern be flagged by VS under this 'loss limit'?

Apologies if I have misunderstood. I would be very grateful if someone could please explain in terms I can understand. :confused:
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The loss limit means how much you lose in a month.

If you deposit £50 and get your balance up to £1000 then lose it all your losses are only £50.

The amount you go up then down in a session does not affect it at such. The loss is calculated by how much you lose after winning spins are taking into account. If you are up and down and spins pay £4000 and you have wagered £4020 your losses are only £20.

That is why they have changed the way it works so race winnings and booster etc. Are now not getting taken into account now.

So say you deposit £50 and you play free rolls and get cash back of £40. If you play the £90 the £50 deposit and the £40 cashback from booster etc.and lose it all then your losses will only be £50 of your limit.
 
Hi Ladyhawke,

Our loss limit works like this, you are able to set how much you can lose during a period of time (Daily, Weekly or Monthly) when the limit has been reached, you will get a message automatically pop up which informs you that your loss limit has been reached and you will not be able to place any further bets, until your chosen period of time is over. You can change or remove your loss limit, this will change automatically after a period of 7 days, if you wanted to decrease your limit it would change immediately. The loss limit is based on the total outcome of bets, for example if you bet €1 your loss limit will decrease by €1, and if you win €1 your loss limit will increase by that amount. Regarding the Cashback, Free Spins and Free Rolls this now doesn't effect a players loss limit and the player will be able to use it when they receive it.

Best regards,
Daniel.
 
paul7388 said:
The loss limit means how much you lose in a month.

If you deposit £50 and get your balance up to £1000 then lose it all your losses are only £50.

The amount you go up then down in a session does not affect it at such. The loss is calculated by how much you lose after winning spins are taking into account. If you are up and down and spins pay £4000 and you have wagered £4020 your losses are only £20.
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Thanks for the explanation. I now get this bit.

BUT....would it not be possible, if you had a truly dreadful losing session, which we all have had at times, that there would be no point in depositing again as the first few spins of your new deposit, if losing spins, could mean your loss limit is breached and your deposit virtually held hostage until your loss limit resets?

If this scenario is possible, would we even remember that we shouldn't deposit until the loss limit resets?
 
Hello everyone.

Thanks for the suggestion Interlog, I will bring it with me.

@ladyhawke, this scenario can happen, but you can always match your deposit limit to the loss limit if you are worried about it. You can check the remaining limit under "Responsible Gaming" if you need a reminder of how much is left.

Best regards,
Daniel.
 
Dan.Videoslots said:
Hi all,

We have now updated that our Weekend booster, Casino Race, Free spins and normal match bonuses doesn't effect a players loss limit and the player will be able to use it when they receive it.

Br,

Daniel
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That is great news.
But it reminds me of a parent who wishes to get their own way with their child by being way too demanding at first safe in the knowledge that when they negotiate with the child the child will readily except the parents new terms,which was the parents only real goal in the first place :)
 
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geordiecolin said:
That is great news.
But it reminds me of a parent who wishes to get their own way with their child by being way too demanding at first safe in the knowledge that when they negotiate with the child the child will readily except the parents new terms,which was the parents only real goal in the first place :)
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You can remove your loss limit from RG page as well. Takes 7 days and its gone.
 
So after doing the tick box form they placed a loss limit on my account, I am fuming! I instantly e mailed them to tell them to stop nannying me! I will never send all the ridiculous things they request to proof funds, and I have not and will not deposit at videoslots until this is all sorted.
 
mimi26 said:
So after doing the tick box form they placed a loss limit on my account, I am fuming! I instantly e mailed them to tell them to stop nannying me! I will never send all the ridiculous things they request to proof funds, and I have not and will not deposit at videoslots until this is all sorted.
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Hi mimi26,

I have sent you a PM to explain how it works but I will also explain here.

So when a player gets the pop up window when they start a slot that asks them to state occupation and monthly gambling budget. The monthly gambling budget will be the monthly loss limit to make sure that the player doesn't spend more than they intended to do.

Please feel free to contact me our support if you have any questions and we will do what we can to help you out or answer any of your questions.

Best regards,

Daniel
 
So what happens next Dan? as you can see others have been verified after sending source of funds, then depositing again only then to be asked for proof as stated in the OP which is absolutely ridiculous, I would never send all that info to any casino in order for me to gamble so whats the point in depositing if I know whats coming next
 
We've had loss limits and deposit limits. We've had verification with bank statements and personal details. Casinos have had triggers for money laundering and fraud in place. None of this is new, just repackaged, like with most things these days. It's not clever but it is fucking annoying. Seems Responsible Gambling and AML are indistinguishable to casinos now.

Thankyou EU directives and casinos for making the experience for genuine players absolute hell. Fact is they all virtue signal to high heaven about knowing what's best for us but let's face it, the industry wants and needs gamblers and will still ensure everything to get more players addicted. So well done on all this grandstanding, pointless nannying

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Oh no, round round baby.
 

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As i've said already, will get my cashback nextweek, then close my Videoslots account. plenty of other places i can play at. (who i'm willing to bet with anyone, will not try to mix together Money Laundering and Responsible Gambling)
 
mimi26 said:
So what happens next Dan? as you can see others have been verified after sending source of funds, then depositing again only then to be asked for proof as stated in the OP which is absolutely ridiculous, I would never send all that info to any casino in order for me to gamble so whats the point in depositing if I know whats coming next
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Hi Mimi26,

I have sent you a PM about this.

Br,

Daniel.
 
So DanVideoslots, are you going to answer the question about if your going to apply your rules consistently. ?

Rocknrolla earns less than i do for his job , so his limit would be like £500...... (which he does in like 20 minutes, in 1 day, of the 30 in a month)...

As you seem to be basing the loss limit on job income only..
 
EnglishGuy said:
So DanVideoslots, are you going to answer the question about if your going to apply your rules consistently. ?

Rocknrolla earns less than i do for his job , so his limit would be like £500...... (which he does in like 20 minutes, in 1 day, of the 30 in a month)...

As you seem to be basing the loss limit on job income only..
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I am sure Dan et al are not going to disclose or discuss Paul's income.

Besides, his day to day job may earn him a wage that is less than you earn, but who knows how much he takes in from affiliate earnings?
 
Hi EnglishGuy,

We can’t comment on other players individual cases.

Income is just one of the facts, as we are trying to look at the whole picture for the player. We want to be sure that that the player are not spending more than they want because of gambling problem. That also includes our regulatory responsibility.

We because of feedback from our players update our decleration of SoW so we can look more on the whole picture and not just the income only.

This is new to us as well. But I would recommend you to read what UKGC published today.

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Br,

Daniel
 
have to say, as i'm new in here, and i've read some of the thread (not all of it as it's pretty long), those questions do seem very intrusive and there's no way in hell i'd provide those unless it was for a huge withdrawal, but i hope you've sorted it
 
I cant see anything in that document which compells the casino operator to request the type of information VS is asking for RG purposes,
It just seems the way they want to do things,linking RG with AML to justify it.

Sorry Dan , VS has not got the message despite all the postings,a sizable percentage of players are not prepared to supply such sensitive
information just to carry on playing at VS, when there is a massive choice elsewhere where they wont need to.

Just a bit of food for thought, what If things went pear shaped and this info fell into hands it shouldnt and fraud committed as a result.
How much help and sympathy would the victim get from the police, banks,spouse etc when they find out that the player submitted this info to
a casino of all places.

Its just so wrong IMHO.
 
shadow123 said:
I cant see anything in that document which compells the casino operator to request the type of information VS is asking for RG purposes,
It just seems the way they want to do things,linking RG with AML to justify it.

Sorry Dan , VS has not got the message despite all the postings,a sizable percentage of players are not prepared to supply such sensitive
information just to carry on playing at VS, when there is a massive choice elsewhere where they wont need to.

Just a bit of food for thought, what If things went pear shaped and this info fell into hands it shouldnt and fraud committed as a result.
How much help and sympathy would the victim get from the police, banks,spouse etc when they find out that the player submitted this info to
a casino of all places.

Its just so wrong IMHO.
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3.6. You need to look at household income
3.7. Recommendation to put compulsory limits.
3.11 Its recommended to carry out AML/RG checks on VIP customers.
 
"Just a bit of food for thought, what If things went pear shaped and this info fell into hands it shouldnt and fraud committed as a result.
How much help and sympathy would the victim get from the police, banks,spouse etc when they find out that the player submitted this info to
a casino of all places."

Yeah i can imagine a spouse who doesn't gamble therefore likely having 0 faith in the online casino industry kind of going nuts when finding out, but im sure if that unlikely event happened it could easily be put to rest with 50 fs on st*rb*rst
~twat mode deactivated.
 
shadow123 said:
Just a bit of food for thought, what If things went pear shaped and this info fell into hands it shouldnt and fraud committed as a result.
How much help and sympathy would the victim get from the police, banks,spouse etc when they find out that the player submitted this info to
a casino of all places.
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My exact thoughts. Im scared of explaining to the police or my bank why i sent my ID and a copy of my creditcard to a casino in another country and thats just the normal KYC.

No way i will ever send anyone infos like asked for in the opening post. There is exactly one person i trust with such sensitive informations, my tax consultant.
 
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