Official Videoslots presents Battle of Slots!

[Kroffe]

I just had a look through just about every netent game on vs and they were almost all around 96% or higher, except for these which appeared to be lower. starburst 94.05% GNR 94.07% Twin Spin 94.04% Reel Rush 94.05% Butterfly stax 94.05%

Guess those are the ones Netent has finished different rtp-versions for.
Since those are the same ones running at 98% over at unibet.
Fruit shop is probably also lowered then im guessing.

 

[Team.Videoslots]

Hi everyone,

As we have announced before, we will offer all our games at 94 - 95% as soon as they become available to us. We dont find it sustainable to run a healthy business on higher levels with the recent changes that have happened to our industry the last few years. All our prices are available on several pages on our website e.g. on our Game Payout page or in the game itself.

We do not communicate prices per game on e-mail, news or any other communication channel.

You can also follow your own RTP at Videoslots on our myRTP page.

Best regards,

Team Videoslots

 

[colinsunderland]

Hi everyone,

As we have announced before, we will offer all our games at 94 - 95% as soon as they become available to us. We dont find it sustainable to run a healthy business on higher levels with the recent changes that have happened to our industry the last few years. All our prices are available on several pages on our website e.g. on our Game Payout page or in the game itself.

We do not communicate prices per game on e-mail, news or any other communication channel.

You can also follow your own RTP at Videoslots on our myRTP page.

Best regards,

Team Videoslots

Why don't you put a pop up on site saying the RTP has changed on a provider when you do so? Or should customers have to check every single game every single time they open them to make sure they haven't been reduced? You might have announced running lower RTP on forums, but I haven't seen any email or anything to the many many thousands of customers who don't use forums, so how would they know?

And yes, I know you don't HAVE to, but considering your reputation on here and history, I think you should, taking into account how loyal most members on here have been.

 

[bamberfishcake]

We dont find it sustainable to run a healthy business on higher levels with the recent changes that have happened to our industry the last few years.

Maybe i am comparing chalk and cheese but the reasoning compels me to do so.........

This looks fairly healthy to me.......

Kindred Group plc - Year end report January – December 2019 (unaudited) Gross winnings revenue amounted to GBP 236.2 (250.1) million for the fourth quarter of 2019, and GBP 912.8 (907.6) million for the full year 2019

Max RTP across all sites UK if im not mistaken.

Shame, as your reward system and information, service and payment methods are all stellar in my experience.

Well, the reward system used to be but not so much now.

Think the quality will shine through in the end. I find it hard to believe your business wouldnt be 'healthy' with max rtp across all providers.

 

[CongoGB]

@Team.Videoslots The 2:15 Secret of the Stones battle is wrongly set to 10p per spin. Min spin on Stones is 25p.

Would be nice if this gets fixed quickly as it's a good battle!

 

[Pixie]

@Team.Videoslots we can´t play Secrets of the stones !!!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Maybe i am comparing chalk and cheese but the reasoning compels me to do so.........

This looks fairly healthy to me.......

Kindred Group plc - Year end report January – December 2019 (unaudited) Gross winnings revenue amounted to GBP 236.2 (250.1) million for the fourth quarter of 2019, and GBP 912.8 (907.6) million for the full year 2019

Max RTP across all sites UK if im not mistaken.

Shame, as your reward system and information, service and payment methods are all stellar in my experience.

Well, the reward system used to be but not so much now.

Think the quality will shine through in the end. I find it hard to believe your business wouldnt be 'healthy' with max rtp across all providers.

Hybrid sites like Unibet, bet365, WillHill etc make about 80-90% profits with sports, the casino part is often less than 10%. Hence, you would need to read the full report where they have a breakdown for each vertical.

Not defending VS but the figures from those hybrid sites imply that there is not much flesh on the bone for pure casino sites.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Hybrid sites like Unibet, bet365, WillHill etc make about 80-90% profits with sports, the casino part is often less than 10%. Hence, you would need to read the full report where they have a breakdown for each vertical.

Not defending VS but the figures from those hybrid sites imply that there is not much flesh on the bone for pure casino sites.

Totally agree, thought that when i posted it and afterwards thought 'what a tit' of myself.

To be honest though when i get given a reply about lowering rtp because they need to be a 'healthy' business all sensibility goes out the window and i treat stupid with stupid - Not my best trait and not becoming for resolution or intelligent discussion.

If companies want to make more money and become more profitable i do not have any issue. When they spout rubbish about it being a necessity of a healthy business it gets my back up because it gives the wrong impression.

Hence me comparing chalk and cheese.

If they said we want to be more profitable then there is not a lot to argue.

Anyway, the more i write the harder i am finding to justify my stupidity and you are correct it was a poor comparison

 

[nikantw]

It hurts, but the blame is on us, the well informed players, for failing to inform the other players and failing to understand that the huge taxes are a huge problem.

Most casinos would offer >97% versions if they could, like they did in the good old days.

 

[colinsunderland]

Hybrid sites like Unibet, bet365, WillHill etc make about 80-90% profits with sports, the casino part is often less than 10%. Hence, you would need to read the full report where they have a breakdown for each vertical.

Not defending VS but the figures from those hybrid sites imply that there is not much flesh on the bone for pure casino sites.

I thought videoslots had a sportsbook they could use now though?

 

[Harry_BKK]

I thought videoslots had a sportsbook they could use now though?

AFAIK, it's being prepared for launch, they've signed a deal with BetRadar recently. However, in the current situation they might wait a little longer before going live.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Totally agree, thought that when i posted it and afterwards thought 'what a tit' of myself.

To be honest though when i get given a reply about lowering rtp because they need to be a 'healthy' business all sensibility goes out the window and i treat stupid with stupid - Not my best trait and not becoming for resolution or intelligent discussion.

If companies want to make more money and become more profitable i do not have any issue. When they spout rubbish about it being a necessity of a healthy business it gets my back up because it gives the wrong impression.

Hence me comparing chalk and cheese.

If they said we want to be more profitable then there is not a lot to argue.

Anyway, the more i write the harder i am finding to justify my stupidity and you are correct it was a poor comparison

No worries, because I wasn't 100% correct either. I actually just read the Unibet 2019 report and their casino operations do not look too bad. However, while the revenue is roughly equal to sports, the net profit wasn't as good.

 

[colinsunderland]

AFAIK, it's being prepared for launch, they've signed a deal with BetRadar recently. However, in the current situation they might wait a little longer before going live.

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Should be launched at the start of this year

 

[DreamRJ]

What are peoples thoughts for the Next battle weekend choice of slots? DOA, well same old same old. Nothing new to see here. As for Twin spin, I reckon at the now reduced RTP's IT will certainly suck for us all. I reckon it was not a very good choice. I suppose we will have to wait and see what scores will be like during the battles and be extra lucky with the rewards for it.

I hazard a guess that our wins from the Twin spin rewards will be around 40% Average from all rewards collected. So meaning a RTP of around 40% which will suck a lot. So it will mean we will be lucky to earn around £30-£40 from them. Unless you get that lucky spin and get a full screen of one of the royals...... Which I doubt will happen from the rewards, but who knows

 

[bamberfishcake]

What are peoples thoughts for the Next battle weekend choice of slots? DOA, well same old same old. Nothing new to see here. As for Twin spin, I reckon at the now reduced RTP's IT will certainly suck for us all. I reckon it was not a very good choice. I suppose we will have to wait and see what scores will be like during the battles and be extra lucky with the rewards for it.

I hazard a guess that our wins from the Twin spin rewards will be around 40% Average from all rewards collected. So meaning a RTP of around 40% which will suck a lot. So it will mean we will be lucky to earn around £30-£40 from them. Unless you get that lucky spin and get a full screen of one of the royals...... Which I doubt will happen from the rewards, but who knows

Simply put the battles do not attract me anymore.

Glad DOA is in there because its the only thing with any serious potential. Twin spin i have never had much luck on and the reduced rtp just puts me off.

As people have rightly said. We do not know if the lower versions have reduced potential for bonuses or variance or both. It might be the same game but none of my experience and know how counts anymore playing a lower paying version.

The battles are all low rtp rewards. The Jackpot chase is a bloody long one for me. Tuesday Madness is my only glimmer of light. £500 freerolls are swamped so less chance there.

Purely for information and sharing, my last 3 green reward wheels have been tripe (cant really complain about the wheels myself though) Once the battle weekends become Red Tiger and PnG low paying porn that will finish me off.

I dont mind at the moment so much. Disappointed my VS love affair has ended bitterly but there is lots of choice at the minute for higher paying versions and rewards. The hunt for the best casino for the UK continues!

 

[Harry_BKK]

Simply put the battles do not attract me anymore.

Glad DOA is in there because its the only thing with any serious potential. Twin spin i have never had much luck on and the reduced rtp just puts me off.

As people have rightly said. We do not know if the lower versions have reduced potential for bonuses or variance or both. It might be the same game but none of my experience and know how counts anymore playing a lower paying version.

The battles are all low rtp rewards. The Jackpot chase is a bloody long one for me. Tuesday Madness is my only glimmer of light. £500 freerolls are swamped so less chance there.

Purely for information and sharing, my last 3 green reward wheels have been tripe (cant really complain about the wheels myself though) Once the battle weekends become Red Tiger and PnG low paying porn that will finish me off.

I dont mind at the moment so much. Disappointed my VS love affair has ended bitterly but there is lots of choice at the minute for higher paying versions and rewards. The hunt for the best casino for the UK continues!

Here's how the RTP change affects Twin Spin, the main difference are less Triplet Wins and thus significantly less wins of 800x bet or more, i.e. the Bar-Bar-3Bar-3Bar-3Bar configuration (pays 1,080x bet IIRC) will happen less frequently

 

[Jono777]

What are peoples thoughts for the Next battle weekend choice of slots? DOA, well same old same old. Nothing new to see here. As for Twin spin, I reckon at the now reduced RTP's IT will certainly suck for us all. I reckon it was not a very good choice. I suppose we will have to wait and see what scores will be like during the battles and be extra lucky with the rewards for it.

I hazard a guess that our wins from the Twin spin rewards will be around 40% Average from all rewards collected. So meaning a RTP of around 40% which will suck a lot. So it will mean we will be lucky to earn around £30-£40 from them. Unless you get that lucky spin and get a full screen of one of the royals...... Which I doubt will happen from the rewards, but who knows

One minor + for those partaking in the battles is that Twin Spin does not have a feature to sit thru / waiting for others so you may actually be able to take part in more battles, handful of extra rewards to make up for the drop in RTP, plus its a very rare 0.25p bet.

 

[DreamRJ]

Simply put the battles do not attract me anymore.

Glad DOA is in there because its the only thing with any serious potential. Twin spin i have never had much luck on and the reduced rtp just puts me off.

As people have rightly said. We do not know if the lower versions have reduced potential for bonuses or variance or both. It might be the same game but none of my experience and know how counts anymore playing a lower paying version.

The battles are all low rtp rewards. The Jackpot chase is a bloody long one for me. Tuesday Madness is my only glimmer of light. £500 freerolls are swamped so less chance there.

Purely for information and sharing, my last 3 green reward wheels have been tripe (cant really complain about the wheels myself though) Once the battle weekends become Red Tiger and PnG low paying porn that will finish me off.

I dont mind at the moment so much. Disappointed my VS love affair has ended bitterly but there is lots of choice at the minute for higher paying versions and rewards. The hunt for the best casino for the UK continues!

Green Wheels? I always only get Blu Wheel spins...... I think I only ever had 1 green wheel spin ever Obviously I get the Silver wheel spins every 5 levels too though

But yeah, I do not really look forward to the battle weekends anymore either. They just do not feel the same, with the fact the slot choice is usually shite, plus the fact they no longer run those CM promos in this thread either anymore. The amount of cut backs VS have done just makes me cry. It is such a shame seeing such a great casino making all these cutbacks. The RTP reductions is just another bad move they have taken. But it looks like other casinos are also following suit in terms of also reducing the RTP''s too.

I just wished VS would go back to being a great casino again, picking great slots for the battle weekends and making things more worthwhile. I only got 2 more months to wait now until I can play at Sky Vegas again. As I said in the past, Sky Vegas used to be my number one casino too. I have missed it a lot.

 

[DreamRJ]

One minor + for those partaking in the battles is that Twin Spin does not have a feature to sit thru / waiting for others so you may actually be able to take part in more battles, handful of extra rewards to make up for the drop in RTP, plus its a very rare 0.25p bet.

Perhaps, but we all know that does not mean anything. Take for example all those recent Thursday battles that have been on the Red tiger Power Reels slots. They too have no feature, and 90% of the 30man battles still resulted in us having to wait the full 10mins for it to end because most of the time there is always 1 or 2 people who never spin their spins

 

[Jono777]

Looks like the Thunderkick games are currently getting their RTP makeover now

 

[DreamRJ]

Looks like the Thunderkick games are currently getting their RTP makeover now

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest

 

[bamberfishcake]

Here's how the RTP change affects Twin Spin, the main difference are less Triplet Wins and thus significantly less wins of 800x bet or more, i.e. the Bar-Bar-3Bar-3Bar-3Bar configuration (pays 1,080x bet IIRC) will happen less frequently

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Thats interesting stuff. Of course the max win capacity wont change. I thought it would be less towards the base game and i think this will be the trend for lower paying versions. The providers will still want the big wins seen on youtube. Bad news with less frequency in the base games for someone who plays like me. I would have preferred less from top end.

One minor + for those partaking in the battles is that Twin Spin does not have a feature to sit thru / waiting for others so you may actually be able to take part in more battles, handful of extra rewards to make up for the drop in RTP, plus its a very rare 0.25p bet.

Good point. Forgot it was a 25p. I am grateful for what i have had from VS. I have definitely been blessed in that respect.

But it looks like other casinos are also following suit in terms of also reducing the RTP''s too.

Some will some wont but the quality i say will still shine through. I wonder what the general opinion of PlaynGo and Red Tiger is for a casino player now. If they were high street i see them as poundland products, cheap and cheerful, certainly not waitrose. I hope my view of Netent doesnt go the same way. Certain casinos and casino groups will be known for better products due to competition.

If more and more people play the better sites the profits will go to them along with the bigger market share.

Looks like the Thunderkick games are currently getting their RTP makeover now

Its not April 1st again is it?

 

[Harry_BKK]

One minor + for those partaking in the battles is that Twin Spin does not have a feature to sit thru / waiting for others so you may actually be able to take part in more battles, handful of extra rewards to make up for the drop in RTP, plus its a very rare 0.25p bet.

I won't be battling. Fell below the threshold some two weeks ago and it will stay like that for some time.

 

[DreamRJ]

I have not had that pop up message in like a few years. I always qualify for the battles

I deposit on average in a month over £2000 though. More when I have some luck elsewhere, this can then mean I deposit thousands in a month, depends what my luck is like during that month. But usually my wagering is above 10,000 in 30 days.

For example I had some decent luck and had some sizable wins and withdrawals and it has meant I have managed to again be close to level 85 for my next silver wheel spin, only got 1800 left to wager to get the next wheel spin. I think that has only taken me about 6 weeks since my last level 80 wheel spin.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Thats interesting stuff. Of course the max win capacity wont change. I thought it would be less towards the base game and i think this will be the trend for lower paying versions. The providers will still want the big wins seen on youtube. Bad news with less frequency in the base games for someone who plays like me. I would have preferred less from top end.

No no, you need the same or similar win rate (better called hit rate, because often the payout is less than your bet, so not a win really) at the low end as that induces the dopamine and adrenaline flow, which is a large part of why we are playing and a lot of people getting addicted.

If you have less wins at the low end, it loses the impression for players that they win something as you will have less often flashing lights and "big win" animations. And you need that often enough to keep players engaged.

Psychologically, IMO it is best to cut in the middle spectrum and keep the bottom and top parts the same.