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Harry_BKK said:
You keep bringing up SkyVegas where you and a few other select players are getting extra deals. They are indeed very good but I can't even register at SkyVegas and at most other places I am excluded from the promos.

I deposited this week EUR170 at VS and I am getting just over 100EUR in cashback next Friday + I had about 800 spins from CoS and Freerolls + a few battle tickets and other game rewards. And no, not all spins were at 0.10, a good portion was at 0.20, mainly on Rise of Olympus.

It surely isn't that much every week as it depends how much you manage to play.
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Your are more the exception than the norm, not many people on here I bet would see than much in their rewards - I would be over the moon to get half of that but it's never going to be :)
 
Harry_BKK said:
Why is it a trap when I like my stuff to be in cash? :confused:
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It's a trap if people are only playing for that reason. And having wager free stuff isn't what makes a good casino. You are very luck Harry with your play time there, most aren't. I have deposited thousands in the last year.And haven't gotten any where. October I was able to withdrawal almost 7k, but I deposited almost 9. That was my first withdrawal in over a year. Not by choice either. Depositing 1600 and more in 30 days and only getting 2 free spins on Clash of Spins. One was for 25, another for 5. The closest I ever got was placing in 112th. I'm not triggering rewards. And I don't qualify for the sng battle. You won't see the bigger picture, most wont if they are doing good. If there was a poll to see how many lose here, I mean loss without the ability to cash out double their deposits, what do you think the out come would be?
 
Lol £100 cashback from £160 deposit ? 800 spins from Cos ? You must be some kind of slots pro
I'm lucky to get £5 cashback in a week
And I've had zero from CoS
One casino gives me 2 rld bonuses a week automatically (no play/qualifying required) plus rewards plus there are races
Another gives some rld bonus plus great value races and some rewards
They're both accredited with fast cashouts etc
Yeh VS used to be amazing with the battle weekends plus race but now the freerolls are hugely reduced in value and teh race is gone . So I think I get less from VS than these other 2 casinos as an example . But obv I don't rly want to mention other casinos in this thread so I won't put the names
 
bebo67 said:
It's a trap if people are only playing for that reason. And having wager free stuff isn't what makes a good casino. You are very luck Harry with your play time there, most aren't. I have deposited thousands in the last year.And haven't gotten any where. October I was able to withdrawal almost 7k, but I deposited almost 9. That was my first withdrawal in over a year. Not by choice either. Depositing 1600 and more in 30 days and only getting 2 free spins on Clash of Spins. One was for 25, another for 5. The closest I ever got was placing in 112th. I'm not triggering rewards. And I don't qualify for the sng battle. You won't see the bigger picture, most wont if they are doing good. If there was a poll to see how many lose here, I mean loss without the ability to cash out double their deposits, what do you think the out come would be?
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Trust me I have weeks were I lose 1K and I don't get past EUR50 in cashback because the games are running so poor. I've deposited some 60K last year at VS, and I had periods of up to four weeks where I never withdrew a penny. Two years ago I went 2 months without a withdrawal. So it's not all shiny as it was this week.

As for the CoS, if I play with 0.40 - 2.00 bets, i usually get 10, 20, 25, 35 fs. Won two CoS so far where you get 100 spins + plus a race booster for the next race, so that helps too.

I haven't claimed reload bonuses in probably a year now and I don't miss them.
 
Harry_BKK said:
Trust me I have weeks were I lose 1K and I don't get past EUR50 in cashback because the games are running so poor. I've deposited some 60K last year at VS, and I had periods of up to four weeks where I never withdrew a penny. Two years ago I went 2 months without a withdrawal. So it's not all shiny as it was this week.

As for the CoS, if I play with 0.40 - 2.00 bets, i usually get 10, 20, 25, 35 fs. Won two CoS so far where you get 100 spins + plus a race booster for the next race, so that helps too.

I haven't claimed reload bonuses in probably a year now and I don't miss them.
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Lol@ not being able to withdrawal in 4 weeks. As I said. Try over a year. Sorry Harry, i like you, but I cant resist "poor pity you" :D Hugs.
 
Harry_BKK said:
Trust me I have weeks were I lose 1K and I don't get past EUR50 in cashback because the games are running so poor. I've deposited some 60K last year at VS, and I had periods of up to four weeks where I never withdrew a penny. Two years ago I went 2 months without a withdrawal. So it's not all shiny as it was this week.

As for the CoS, if I play with 0.40 - 2.00 bets, i usually get 10, 20, 25, 35 fs. Won two CoS so far where you get 100 spins + plus a race booster for the next race, so that helps too.

I haven't claimed reload bonuses in probably a year now and I don't miss them.
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Lol@ not being able to withdrawal in 4 weeks. As I said. Try over a year. Sorry Harry, i like you, but I cant resist "poor pity you" :D Hugs.
 
SlotGrinder said:
Lol £100 cashback from £160 deposit ? 800 spins from Cos ? You must be some kind of slots pro
I'm lucky to get £5 cashback in a week
And I've had zero from CoS
One casino gives me 2 rld bonuses a week automatically (no play/qualifying required) plus rewards plus there are races
Another gives some rld bonus plus great value races and some rewards
They're both accredited with fast cashouts etc
Yeh VS used to be amazing with the battle weekends plus race but now the freerolls are hugely reduced in value and teh race is gone . So I think I get less from VS than these other 2 casinos as an example . But obv I don't rly want to mention other casinos in this thread so I won't put the names
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This week was really good, but not the exception. I had a few months last year with EUR500+ CB in a month.

I am not disputing the fact that there are good casinos out there. I loved playing at Rizk and the overall package was worth even more than the VS one as they have a dedicated VIP program but they restricted 80% of the games for my region, so I dropped out. Casumo, Mr Green also offer races, so there is choice out there. Both are though completely restricted for my region.

Bonus players will surely get better deals at other casinos, no doubt. But VS specifically stayed away from them. It all still doesn't help slogging VS through the mud every time they change something.
 
Harry_BKK said:
You keep bringing up SkyVegas where you and a few other select players are getting extra deals. They are indeed very good but I can't even register at SkyVegas and at most other places I am excluded from the promos.

I deposited this week EUR170 at VS and I am getting about 100EUR in cashback next Friday + I had about 800 spins from CoS and Freerolls + a few battle tickets and other game rewards. And no, not all spins were at 0.10, a good portion was at 0.20, mainly on Rise of Olympus.

It surely isn't that much every week as it depends how much you manage to play.


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How did you manage to get 100€ cashback from 170€ Deposits?
I had 1.7k last week and managed 50€ cashback.
 
Harry_BKK said:
This week was really good, but not the exception. I had a few months last year with EUR500+ CB in a month.

I am not disputing the fact that there are good casinos out there. I loved playing at Rizk and the overall package was worth even more than the VS one as they have a dedicated VIP program but they restricted 80% of the games for my region, so I dropped out. Casumo, Mr Green also offer races, so there is choice out there. Both are though completely restricted for my region.

Bonus players will surely get better deals at other casinos, no doubt. But VS specifically stayed away from them. All still doesn't help slogging VS through the mud every time they change something.
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As far as people slogging. I think it's a case of people getting fed up more than anything else :)
 
Well obviously ppl are moaning hoping they will unchange the changes! but when its apparent it won't work then ppl will vote with their wallets ofc . Some will decide ok its still the best place for them to play at and others will look elsewhere
 
bebo67 said:
As far as people slogging. I think it's a case of people getting fed up more than anything else :)
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Why fed up? A casino does not owe us anything, nada, zilch. They offer a service / entertainment and are under no obligation whatsoever to give any rewards/bonuses/goodies/etc.

We just feel entitled that we should get something for our custom.
 
Got my reply from videoslots, seems I have had too many bonuses, are the rewards you get from freerolls considered bonuses or rewards? As the only actual bonus I have gotten was from a high low card thing I won over a week ago. I haven't had apart from the very first deposit £10 get 100 spins any deposit bonuses that I can remember just the rewards from trophies and freerolls.
 
Harry_BKK said:
I am sure VS made that risk assessment in their planning.
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I agree. And lets not ignore that future new sign ups to Videoslots would have no experience of " When things where even better" so they will never miss it and still regard Viseoslots as being their new go too Casino
 
Scott1baird said:
Got my reply from videoslots, seems I have had too many bonuses, are the rewards you get from freerolls considered bonuses or rewards? As the only actual bonus I have gotten was from a high low card thing I won over a week ago. I haven't had apart from the very first deposit £10 get 100 spins any deposit bonuses that I can remember just the rewards from trophies and freerolls.
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Anything you get, wager-free or with wagering, is a bonus as it costs the casino money.

In the old days, a casino was looking to have max 30% deposit / bonus ratio (with WR 30x attached). With everything being wager-free at VS that threshold is much lower.
 
geordiecolin said:
I agree. And lets not ignore that future new sign ups to Videoslots would have no experience of " When things where even better" so they will never miss it and still regard Viseoslots as being their new go too Casino
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And that is the reason I think VS is the best.

When I registered, there was no BoS, no SnG weekends or Happy Hours, the weekly race pot was a poultry 10K (it was 90K the last 6 months of existence). So, I saw what they have done as they grew over the years.

That they are tightening the belt now somewhat won't see me running away.
 
Harry_BKK said:
And that is the reason I think VS is the best.

When I registered, there was no BoS, no SnG weekends or Happy Hours, the weekly race pot was a poultry 10K (it was 90K the last 6 months of existence). So, I saw what they have done as they grew over the years.

That they are tightening the belt now somewhat won't see me running away.
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I also still think they are the best in many respects. However I think that I have the right to state when I think a bad deal is a bad deal.
After all it can not be denied that we have got used to depositing specifically in order to qualify for these battles and it has now got to a point where very many are questioning if it is worth while wagering 500 in a short time only to gain what is quite possibly no more than a few quid.
I do not consider that moaning just for moaning's sake.
I view my relationship as akin to a friends with benefits kind of thing and I am having a bit of a tiff with them here :p
It helps if they are prepared to listen :(
 
Harry_BKK said:
You keep bringing up SkyVegas where you and a few other select players are getting extra deals. They are indeed very good but I can't even register at SkyVegas and at most other places I am excluded from the promos.

I deposited this week EUR170 at VS and I am getting about 100EUR in cashback next Friday + I had about 800 spins from CoS and Freerolls + a few battle tickets and other game rewards. And no, not all spins were at 0.10, a good portion was at 0.20, mainly on Rise of Olympus.

It surely isn't that much every week as it depends how much you manage to play.
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What, so I can only compare Videoslots with other casinos you can play at for the comparison to be valid :confused:. All the offers I posted are available for ALL players, the bonus time rewards do depend on wagering, or at least I think they do as the more I have wagered in the previous 24 hours, the higher wins I seem to get.

As a comparison, a few weeks ago I deposited over £300 at Videoslots, and think I got about £7 cashback, as you say, just because you have a good couple of days doesn't mean you get that every week.

Casumo do some pretty high value races most nights, regularly £2000/1000 for the winner, and smaller prices for the next 24 players, all in cash. You do usually have to do around 500 spins at 40-50p but after 100 or so you can usually tell if you have any chance of placing and if it's worth continuing.

Bonuses don't usually dictate where I play, but if one is on offer, like at Caddell for example, it can sway me. Deposit £100 get £100 bonus, hit big in the first 100 and withdraw no problem, if not, another £100 to play with and 'possibly' withdraw from. That to me has more value than maybe 50 x 10/20p spins over a week of freerolls, even if they are wager free. Different people like different bonuses though and if you like VS's system, even after it's been cut back to bare bones, then fair enough.
 
geordiecolin said:
I also still think they are the best in many respects. However I think that I have the right to state when I think a bad deal is a bad deal.
After all it can not be denied that we have got used to depositing specifically in order to qualify for these battles and it has now got to a point where very many are questioning if it is worth while wagering 500 in a short time only to gain what is quite possibly no more than a few quid.
I do not consider that moaning just for moaning's sake.
I view my relationship as akin to a friends with benefits kind of thing and I am having a bit of a tiff with them here :p
It helps if they are prepared to listen :(
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Oh yes, please, we should moan and complain. I do it myself too. But it is enough at some point. If you reread the last 100 pages, 90% is moaning. And it is all about the same stuff, going in circles. :rolleyes:

I am pretty sure they made their business plan somewhere July/August last year and have specific targets for this year, which they will follow through. After all they are a business which has to stay profitable.
 
colinsunderland said:
What, so I can only compare Videoslots with other casinos you can play at for the comparison to be valid :confused:. All the offers I posted are available for ALL players, the bonus time rewards do depend on wagering, or at least I think they do as the more I have wagered in the previous 24 hours, the higher wins I seem to get.

As a comparison, a few weeks ago I deposited over £300 at Videoslots, and think I got about £7 cashback, as you say, just because you have a good couple of days doesn't mean you get that every week.

Casumo do some pretty high value races most nights, regularly £2000/1000 for the winner, and smaller prices for the next 24 players, all in cash. You do usually have to do around 500 spins at 40-50p but after 100 or so you can usually tell if you have any chance of placing and if it's worth continuing.

Bonuses don't usually dictate where I play, but if one is on offer, like at Caddell for example, it can sway me. Deposit £100 get £100 bonus, hit big in the first 100 and withdraw no problem, if not, another £100 to play with and 'possibly' withdraw from. That to me has more value than maybe 50 x 10/20p spins over a week of freerolls, even if they are wager free. Different people like different bonuses though and if you like VS's system, even after it's been cut back to bare bones, then fair enough.
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Sure not Colin. You can compare it to any other casino.

You guys in the UK are the only country which can withdraw if you haven't touched the bonus money. Us normal mortals get very rarely that advantage. So a bonus is indeed a good option as it is not just a second chance but also prolongs play time.

I won good cash prizes a few times in Rizk Races, I even hit a jackpot on the Rizk Wheel once - so as I said, there are good places out there. But none of those will let you spin the reels in a battle at no cost like VS does (after you met the WR of 500). I usually make about EUR50 - 100 per week just in wins from the regular freerolls. I start playing games when I have more than 10 bucks, sometimes it's gone in no time, other times I play for 3 - 4 hours. And I don't need to deposit.

Maybe my budget arrangement plays here a role too. I fill up my gaming kitty in bi-weekly intervals, so once its gone I have to wait max two weeks before I can actively deposit again. Yet I still spin the reels every day. You can see from my post for the cashback that there are a few days with just 1 or 2 bucks. Those are purely from playing with FS winnings.
 
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I've seen pokerstars get away with absolutely decimating the rewards given , among other things they have done to worsen the game for loyal players. Mine went from 30% rakeback plus race winnings which was between $5k-10k per year for me total . Down to 1/4 of that and when they realised they still retained most players they then cut rewards again . Now I will be lucky to get $500 for the whole year . But every single cut they have made they have promoted as "exciting changes" lol . I hope VS are better than that and anyway they don't have such a dominant market position as pokerstars did but still it's a shame
 
Think what a lot of players forget is that any casino is not your friend, it is a hard nosed business competing for your play.
They give rewards for the simple reason that they want to keep players and attract new ones, not because they like you.
If a casino deciedes to change the promotions, it is purely for financial reasons and they dont care how you feel about it
as long as you keep making them money.Maximizing profit is the only object as in all businesses and only when the bottom
line is affected will they think about whether they are giving the customer a fair deal.
 
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so this is turning in to VS versus The Rest
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Harry_BKK said:
Sure not Colin. You can compare it to any other casino.

You guys in the UK are the only country which can withdraw if you haven't touched the bonus money. Us normal mortals get very rarely that advantage. So a bonus is indeed a good option as it is not just a second chance but also prolongs play time.

I won good cash prizes a few times in Rizk Races, I even hit a jackpot on the Rizk Wheel once - so as I said, there are good places out there. But none of those will let you spin the reels in a battle at no cost like VS does (after you met the WR of 500). I usually make about EUR50 - 100 per week just in wins from the regular freerolls. I start playing games when I have more than 10 bucks, sometimes it's gone in no time, other times I play for 3 - 4 hours. And I don't need to deposit.

Maybe my budget arrangement plays here a roll too. I fill up my gaming kitty in bi-weekly intervals, so once its gone I have to wait max two weeks before I can actively deposit again. Yet I still spin the reels every day. You can see from my post for the cashback that there are a few days with just 1 or 2 bucks. Those are purely from playing with FS winnings.
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I don't disagree on most of what you say, and I don't play the races to win, its entertainment, I just don't agree they are particularly good value for the cost, certainly not the extra ones, like tonights. I would be surprised if most people get over 100 spins, so I would imagine most people will get under a tenner in free spins. Thats 50% or less of the min deposit, assuming you meet £500 wagering from it. Ok its cash, but if I did a £20 deposit with 100% bonus, 35x wagering on the bonus, thats actually lower than the entry qualification for the battles tonight, if I manage to wager £700 from a £40 start balance (ie £350 for each £20), then it is cash. Next week is £500 in 5 days.

I could quite easily qualify for both this and next weekends battles, I don't think theres been a week in the last 2 years when I wouldn't have, but when I saw VS's lowering rewards, I made the decision not to deposit, so I haven't. I don't think VS's are a bad casino, I just don't feel valued at all there, the only time I've had a non bulk email from them is when my deposits had dropped and somehow they decided I might have a gambling problem as I was using the site more, no I wasn't I was using it less.
 
shadow123 said:
They give rewards for the simple reason that they want to keep players and attract new ones, not because they like you.
If a casino deciedes to change the promotions, it is purely for financial reasons and they dont care how you feel about it
as long as you keep making them money.
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Exactly, and why I haven't deposited for over a week now, usually I deposit there at least 3 times a week, sometime much more.
 
colinsunderland said:
I don't disagree on most of what you say, and I don't play the races to win, its entertainment, I just don't agree they are particularly good value for the cost, certainly not the extra ones, like tonights. I would be surprised if most people get over 100 spins, so I would imagine most people will get under a tenner in free spins. Thats 50% or less of the min deposit, assuming you meet £500 wagering from it. Ok its cash, but if I did a £20 deposit with 100% bonus, 35x wagering on the bonus, thats actually lower than the entry qualification for the battles tonight, if I manage to wager £700 from a £40 start balance (ie £350 for each £20), then it is cash. Next week is £500 in 5 days.

I could quite easily qualify for both this and next weekends battles, I don't think theres been a week in the last 2 years when I wouldn't have, but when I saw VS's lowering rewards, I made the decision not to deposit, so I haven't. I don't think VS's are a bad casino, I just don't feel valued at all there, the only time I've had a non bulk email from them is when my deposits had dropped and somehow they decided I might have a gambling problem as I was using the site more, no I wasn't I was using it less.
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Yes, the new arrangement for the SnG freerolls has lowered the value for cost significantly, especially for those who have to budget carefully to get past the new qualification threshold. It is a downgrade of what has been, no doubt.

Since I am awake I will play through the Happy Hour SnG and let you know what I make from them.
 
colinsunderland said:
Exactly, and why I haven't deposited for over a week now, usually I deposit there at least 3 times a week, sometime much more.
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Yeh this is the first battle evening Ive ever missed .. and most likely I will miss the weekend ones too . Not out of spite or anything but I just don't see the incentive is there to deposit and wager . So VS are losing out on deposits . Whether their bottom line is affected negatively because of this , I'm not sure
 
shadow123 said:
Think what a lot of players forget is that any casino is not your friend, it is a hard nosed business competing for your play.
They give rewards for the simple reason that they want to keep players and attract new ones, not because they like you.
If a casino deciedes to change the promotions, it is purely for financial reasons and they dont care how you feel about it
as long as you keep making them money.Maximizing profit is the only object as in all businesses and only when the bottom
line is affected will they think about whether they are giving the customer a fair deal.
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Look when your as unfortunate as me then a little bit of attention while being used and abused is fair play :p
 
To keep things balanced I think that VS were actually giving too much away and it was probably not sustainable,
the weekly race was running at over 4 million pounds a year at the end.Where they have gone wrong is to cut
too fast and too deep and seem to have targeted the low and mid rollers who I would have thought were their
bread and butter.Hopefully the upcoming changes will restore some goodwill and things will settle down
 
shadow123 said:
To keep things balanced I think that VS were actually giving too much away and it was probably not sustainable,
the weekly race was running at over 4 million pounds a year at the end.Where they have gone wrong is to cut
too fast and too deep and seem to have targeted the low and mid rollers who I would have thought were their
bread and butter.Hopefully the upcoming changes will restore some goodwill and things will settle down
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Agreed. I'm not sure who they are going after tbh, obviously low rollers aren't valued that much seeing the cuts that affect them, high rollers really couldn't care less about winning 100 x 10p spins in a race, thats probably the value of one spin to them, but by all accounts, the VIP benefits are really low compared to other casinos, so really don't see who they are trying to entice to play there now, I always thought it was low rollers though.
 
They should have kept the race, but lowered it to whatever the value of this clash of spins is costing, and paid less players instead of the 11,000+ etc say top 7000.

And scrap the SNG free rolls and have just one special tournament once a week where everyone gets some spins no matter how bad you place :D with the top paying 1000 spins :)

There was many "Cheaper" ways they could have done it TBH.......

If they had sent me their budget I would have come up with a plan to please everyone :)
 
shadow123 said:
To keep things balanced I think that VS were actually giving too much away and it was probably not sustainable,
the weekly race was running at over 4 million pounds a year at the end.Where they have gone wrong is to cut
too fast and too deep and seem to have targeted the low and mid rollers who I would have thought were their
bread and butter.Hopefully the upcoming changes will restore some goodwill and things will settle down
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That's what I said right at the beginning when it transpired that there will be cuts. For years, anything in player rewards/goodies was going only one way and that was up.
 
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