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[ChopleyIOM]

I just think RTPs are the last thing that should be messed with.

I'd rather they bin off Clash of Spins, the wheels, the Weekend Boosters, the battles and everything else TBH, a reduction in RTP, particularly to levels as brutal as 93%, is going to negatively impact the player experience and just cause more people to head for the exits.

Very short term thinking IMO.

Mystery Reels Megaways at 93% or 98% RTP - what a tough choice.....

 

[Downsman]

This thread has opened my eyes somewhat, self excluded at VS a while ago...then wished I hadn't, now...not so bothered lol. Always check the RTP religiously at the few casinos I still use, all thanks to the info posted here, so many have no clue I guess which is a real shame. Cheers to all.

 

[deepsky2]

I asked support were on there site is there news in the recent rtp changes and what forums that there representative has discussed this. They answered back they cant answer this as the relevant team are not in on weekends. So see if they follow up with me when there relevant Team gets in Monday.

 

[geordiecolin]

I asked support were on there site is there news in the recent rtp changes and what forums that there representative has discussed this. They answered back they cant answer this as the relevant team are not in on weekends. So see if they follow up with me when there relevant Team gets in Monday.

Teamvideoslots are reading this thread right now?
Teamvideoslots reminds me of human resources departments-They give every impression that they are there for the benifit of you when in reality they are there almost entirely to protect the interests of their employers

 

[Kroffe]

I asked support were on there site is there news in the recent rtp changes and what forums that there representative has discussed this. They answered back they cant answer this as the relevant team are not in on weekends. So see if they follow up with me when there relevant Team gets in Monday.

The news about the rtp changes were put up in february.
I dont think there is any news regarding the change to make all markets low rtp.

 

[deepsky2]

The news about the rtp changes were put up in february.
I dont think there is any news regarding the change to make all markets low rtp.

I know but they have lowered some since and just recently and they made no mention of it that I can see.

 

[thr0b]

I just think RTPs are the last thing that should be messed with.

I'd rather they bin off Clash of Spins, the wheels, the Weekend Boosters, the battles and everything else TBH, a reduction in RTP, particularly to levels as brutal as 93%, is going to negatively impact the player experience and just cause more people to head for the exits.

Very short term thinking IMO.

Mystery Reels Megaways at 93% or 98% RTP - what a tough choice.....

I totally agree. But if it does work out for them, other operators will follow. I can see them banking on their overall service bettering what the others offer.

They need to be careful - the likes of L&L are not far off being as quick as VideoSlots, and are at least as good on customer service.

 

[nikantw]

Perhaps the person that "made" UKGC ban feature buy could also make them ban low RTP or at least make sure that people are aware of the change and that they lose half their play time......

But I bet this time they won't care or do anything about any of it.

 

[geordiecolin]

I totally agree. But if it does work out for them, other operators will follow. I can see them banking on their overall service bettering what the others offer.

They need to be careful - the likes of L&L are not far off being as quick as VideoSlots, and are at least as good on customer service.

I have been receiving my withdrawals in a few hours from L&L and that is via Visa. Faster than anywhere else I have played at

 

[Reelsoffun]

I heard a rumor that many casinos were looking to lower RTPs several months ago from someone close to the online casino business, so I wouldn't rule out the likes of casumo, leo vegas and others wont reduce them at some point in the future.

What people dont seem to get is that you get perks back on VS I have had sod all back in perks from all the others like 32 red, leo vegas etc not even 5 wager free spins......

But maybe VS should have looked at saving money scrapping things like CoS instead, but i think others will go that way as well.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Perhaps the person that "made" UKGC ban feature buy could also make them ban low RTP or at least make sure that people are aware of the change and that they lose half their play time......

But I bet this time they won't care or do anything about any of it.

The fact that UK slots have been allowed to operate from as low as 72% legally for decades, yeah I doubt they gonna care or do anything about online RTPs anytime soon.

 

[greylady]

Leo vegas have their fingers in a few pies like royal panda and gaming grounds and btg exclusives as far as i am aware vs is a solo company so maybe less money to spread around.

Yes less money to spread around but also less overheads!

 

[deleted_user-20231116]

I just think RTPs are the last thing that should be messed with.

I'd rather they bin off Clash of Spins, the wheels, the Weekend Boosters, the battles and everything else TBH, a reduction in RTP, particularly to levels as brutal as 93%, is going to negatively impact the player experience and just cause more people to head for the exits.

Very short term thinking IMO.

Mystery Reels Megaways at 93% or 98% RTP - what a tough choice.....

I really like the Weekend Booster and Jackpot Wheel, and i think they are really good features on Videoslots. The Clash of Spins could be sacked though, which would save them some money.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I heard a rumor that many casinos were looking to lower RTPs several months ago from someone close to the online casino business, so I wouldn't rule out the likes of casumo, leo vegas and others wont reduce them at some point in the future.

What people dont seem to get is that you get perks back on VS I have had sod all back in perks from all the others like 32 red, leo vegas etc not even 5 wager free spins......

But maybe VS should have looked at saving money scrapping things like CoS instead, but i think others will go that way as well.

That is not just a rumour, trust me.

 

[Harry_BKK]

So maybe in a few months from now we all go back to the good ol' b&m casinos for our fix...
I have just self excluded at VS as I could not even find an option to close my account and I can't be arsed to go and chat with them.

I will just play at casinos where they offer the highest RTP versions..I want playtime for my buck.

I know who will get my fall from grace vote at the next CM awards.

This industry never made quick changes. Anything that happened was subtle, to minimize the uproar. Gamblers are a fickle species.

I review daily slots from all sorts of providers, and there is a clear trend towards 95% RTP at the moment. For some, the move is towards 96% whereas in the past they were mostly above 96.5%. I just can't imagine it being a coincidence.

 

[pinnit2014]

This industry never made quick changes. Anything that happened was subtle, to minimize the uproar. Gamblers are a fickle species.

If Bonanza loses even half a percentage point, home foreclosures will soar. Along with national rage.

 

[Matti]

The RTP was lowered for 5 out of 74 suppliers.

There are alternatives to lowering the RTP. The easiest way to earn more is to slow down payouts and remove lock features. This has been done by numerous casinos in the past that need to increase their revenues. Some big casinos has changed this quite recently. For some players that would be just fine with 24h pending and no weekend withdrawals, but from a RG perspective this is a very bad option in my opinion.

You will be seeing more suppliers with options for different RTP, and you will be seeing more new slots between 95-96% instead of the todays 96-97%.

If you look at the numbers coming out from listed gambling companies you see that the gambling industry is not very profitable at the moment due to all the new regulations. Changes are not being done because of greed. Changes are being made to survive.

 

[nikantw]

If you look at the numbers coming out from listed gambling companies you see that the gambling industry is not very profitable at the moment due to all the new regulations. Changes are not being done because of greed. Changes are being made to survive.

But why the industry doesn't call BS on the regulators and their unreasonable taxes that cause financial damage and possibly addiction to the players?
Inform the players how much harm those huge taxes cause to them?

Have a pop up saying "because of the huge taxes in your country if you open this game you will have half the playtime you had last year. We need you to lose fast so we can pay those taxes".

 

[Harry_BKK]

The RTP was lowered for 5 out of 74 suppliers.

There are alternatives to lowering the RTP. The easiest way to earn more is to slow down payouts and remove lock features. This has been done by numerous casinos in the past that need to increase their revenues. Some big casinos has changed this quite recently. For some players that would be just fine with 24h pending and no weekend withdrawals, but from a RG perspective this is a very bad option in my opinion.

You will be seeing more suppliers with options for different RTP, and you will be seeing more new slots between 95-96% instead of the todays 96-97%.

If you look at the numbers coming out from listed gambling companies you see that the gambling industry is not very profitable at the moment due to all the new regulations. Changes are not being done because of greed. Changes are being made to survive.

I have 115 suppliers currently listed for VS. Either way, it is a small percentage of providers that probably were the easiest to get with variable RTPs. All three that I know (PnG, Red Tiger and Pragmatic) offer as standard multiple RTP settings and a casino can switch any time to a lower or higher value.

What bothers me slightly is the question of how they handle the bets. Do the game providers keep the data streams separate for each RTP? Are there maybe different servers for each RTP? If not, then IMO those playing at a lower RTP are sort of subsidizing those with higher RTP.

 

[Matti]

But why the industry doesn't call BS on the regulators and their unreasonable taxes that cause financial damage and possibly addiction to the players?
Inform the players how much harm those huge taxes cause to them?

Have a pop up saying "because of the huge taxes in your country if you open this game you will have half the playtime you had last year. We need you to lose fast so we can pay those taxes".

Well actually playtime can be longer on lower RTP's. I am not saying this is the case in almost all slots. You must however know how much of the RTP reduction is taken from different "pools" of the RTP to be able to make that statement you made.

 

[nikantw]

Well actually playtime can be longer on lower RTP's. I am not saying this is the case in almost all slots. You must however know how much of the RTP reduction is taken from different "pools" of the RTP to be able to make that statement you made.

No I don't. It is math. And there are certain data here (reduction RTP up to 6%, 5 providers).
So unless you are trying to mislead players you must tell me now in how many providers of the 5 and on what percentage of their games we get better playtime.

Then you must name those games.

 

[Matti]

No I don't. It is math. And there are certain data here (reduction RTP up to 6%, 5 providers).
So unless you are trying to mislead players you must tell me now in how many providers of the 5 and on what percentage of their games we get better playtime.

Then you must name those games.

As I said: I'm not saying that this is the case in almost all slots. I don't know how they are set up. I'm just saying that in this high variance environment we are seeing more and more of a high portion of the RTP that goes to these Mega Wins we all see on Youtube but very few of us get to experience. If the reduction in RTP comes from that pool most of us wont be able to tell the difference playing our 1000 spins on a slot.

The increase in RTP is something that in 99,9% leads to lower playtime but stating that a lowering RTP with 50% means 50% less playtime is not correct.

 

[Reelsoffun]

No I don't. It is math. And there are certain data here (reduction RTP up to 6%, 5 providers).
So unless you are trying to mislead players you must tell me now in how many providers of the 5 and on what percentage of their games we get better playtime.

Then you must name those games.

I think what he means is if you have a slot on 96% RTP with 6% accounting for 1000x + wins that is changed to 94% RTP with the 2% reduction to 4% accounting for 1000x wins most players will not notice any difference on a average session......

Any half decent game provider / designer would have already done the different RTP versions in a way that its hard to tell anyway by using the method described.

 

[Balthazar]

I heard a rumor that many casinos were looking to lower RTPs several months ago from someone close to the online casino business

Oh I've no doubt that it will happen now that the door has been opened, why wouldn't they? Casual players won't notice and at 93% they are matching the RTP of several B&M casinos. Easy sell.

I wonder if Red Tiger had to specifically re-make a low RTP version of their games at the demand of VS since they had to "wait for them"?

 

[Reelsoffun]

A lot of UK casinos operate slots at around 90% RTP anyway, so you could argue we have had it so good online for a long time.

 

[nikantw]

As I said: I'm not saying that this is the case in almost all slots. I don't know how they are set up. I'm just saying that in this high variance environment we are seeing more and more of a high portion of the RTP that goes to these Mega Wins we all see on Youtube but very few of us get to experience. If the reduction in RTP comes from that pool most of us wont be able to tell the difference playing our 1000 spins on a slot.

The increase in RTP is something that in 99,9% leads to lower playtime but stating that a lowering RTP with 50% means 50% less playtime is not correct.

Sorry if my replay was a bit harsh. You said something serious about casinos having to save money to pay huge taxes. I replied about a serious problem, how low RTP --> loss of money and other problems. And then you say something ... not at all serious.

Even your "not in almost all slots" that is quite far from "players will get more playtime" is not serious.

Math say from 98% to 96% you lose 50% playtime on average.
From 98% to 92% you lose 75% playtime on average.

That is just math. The only way this may not apply is one and only: If huge part of the RTP is hidden in impossible wins with chances 1/million or smaller. The RTP hidden there must be bigger than the reduction and at the same time the provider must have chosen to take more than the reduction from it to add to smaller wins.

Well, I would be very interested to know even one slot that this applies.
Can anybody name one?

 

[Lemon]

A lot of UK casinos operate slots at around 90% RTP anyway, so you could argue we have had it so good online for a long time.

This is absolutely correct and it got touched on about a year ago by Trancemonkey and others. The UK Gambling Commission have had the 'retail' sector under the microscope for a few years, LBOs especially, and now they've completed their review it's time for the online sector to be scrutinised. The resulting responsible gambling measures along with higher taxes will affect the profits of online casinos and that cost has to be absorbed somehow. I'd rather see a few slots lowered than see people lose their jobs in the industry.

The lowering of RTP% from some providers was mentioned by VS some months back, and included Red Tiger. The percentage return of their slots has now been lowered, just like we were told they would be, and they even have a message when you load the game up. I don't see why people are so up in arms all of a sudden, for something we knew was going to happen. There are plenty of other slots to play that are on 96+%. I'd rather see a few slots lowered than lose Tuesday/Weekend Madness, Jackpot Wheels, Battle freerolls, Clash of Spins, Weekend Booster and so on. If you're so desperate to play Pimped at 96.15%, find a site that still offers that. But mark my words, lower percentages will be coming to most online casinos, sooner rather than later. All online casinos want to offer the best to their players, but not at the expense of people's livelihoods. A 94% slot is still fantastic value for money, especially at the low stakes you can play them on. In most brick and mortar 'shops' you have to bet £2 a spin just to get 92 or 94%. At 50p you end up with something like 88%, and a cup of powdered tea every half an hour. We've had it far too good - start getting used to a little bit less...

 

[colinsunderland]

A lot of UK casinos operate slots at around 90% RTP anyway, so you could argue we have had it so good online for a long time.

You do get perks at land based casinos though, I can't remember the last time an online casino kept giving me drinks and food all night when I was playing slots. Thats assuming things have changed since I was last in one.

 

[colinsunderland]

The lowering of RTP% from some providers was mentioned by VS some months back, and included Red Tiger.

I've seen a couple of people mention that, all I saw was them getting found out about lowering it for certain countries, when did they say they would do the same worldwide?

 

[Nicola]

You do get perks at land based casinos though, I can't remember the last time an online casino kept giving me drinks and food all night when I was playing slots. Thats assuming things have changed since I was last in one.

You get massages as well

 

[geordiecolin]

A lot of UK casinos operate slots at around 90% RTP anyway, so you could argue we have had it so good online for a long time.

We live in an ever changing world where more and more financial activity is done online as opposed to the high streets and destination transactions.
The overheads per each bricks and mortar casino per foot fall (I hate that term for some reason?) is massive compared to that of an online casino so the rtp online should never be even remotely justified in having parity with a city centre casino

 

[dionysus]

The overheads per each bricks and mortar casino per foot fall (I hate that term for some reason?)

I actually had to google it; we just refer to it as traffic as far as I know

 

[geordiecolin]

I actually had to google it; we just refer to it as traffic as far as I know

For me it is one of those terminologies that gets on my tits. Out of the box. Blue sky thinking and so many others boil my piss when I hear them in person.
Unfortunately "Foot fall" has just became a word that I have now used

 

[geordiecolin]

Can anyone find the TRP in VS for the new Goonies never say die slot? I can't find it

Edit. 93%

 

[deepsky2]

With Playojo, LeoVegas etc having Mystery Reels Megaways at 98.06% why the heck Videoslots had to have it just above 93%. Why so drastic? they could of chosen 96% but why punch your players choosing a low 93%. Perhaps we should stop playing Redtigers games and any provider that releases poor RTP altogether, in my opinion there just as bad as Videoslots why would any game provider want to supply their games with such low RTP.

 

[geordiecolin]

I have had money sitting in VS ready to play since yesterday and I am really struggling with what I want to do with my account with them. I have said so many times before over the years that they are like my online abusive relationship

 

[geordiecolin]

And just because I ask this question it does not mean that I want to stay Videoslots! Would it really take much to be able to highlight the new games list option at the bottom of our page because I can not read enough detail unless I enter the game?

 

[Matti]

Sorry if my replay was a bit harsh. You said something serious about casinos having to save money to pay huge taxes. I replied about a serious problem, how low RTP --> loss of money and other problems. And then you say something ... not at all serious.

Even your "not in almost all slots" that is quite far from "players will get more playtime" is not serious.

Math say from 98% to 96% you lose 50% playtime on average.
From 98% to 92% you lose 75% playtime on average.

That is just math. The only way this may not apply is one and only: If huge part of the RTP is hidden in impossible wins with chances 1/million or smaller. The RTP hidden there must be bigger than the reduction and at the same time the provider must have chosen to take more than the reduction from it to add to smaller wins.

Well, I would be very interested to know even one slot that this applies.
Can anybody name one?

If you play on a game with no volatility you are absolutely correct in you're statement regarding playtime but if you are playing high volatile games the amount of spins you have to play to get close to the TRTP of the game is so high that most players will not notice.

As I said I don't think that lowering RTP doesn't reduce playtime but just saying that 98% to 96% you lose 50% playtime is not correct.

 

[geordiecolin]

If you play on a game with no volatility you are absolutely correct in you're statement regarding playtime but if you are playing high volatile games the amount of spins you have to play to get close to the TRTP of the game is so high that most players will not notice.

As I said I don't think that lowering RTP doesn't reduce playtime but just saying that 98% to 96% you lose 50% playtime is not correct.

I am a player who prefers to give most games time to warm up for many reasons. That takes money. RTP is vital.

 

[geordiecolin]

Where is the rtp to be found for Age of gods ruler of the sky? These last few slots mentioned are the two latest games in their new releases list. If I struggle finding them then your average jo will not likely simply stumble upon them.
But Videoslots "Are proud of our transparency"
Ok

Edit. I found it eventually. Wait for it....

91%
You try finding it after accessing the slot

 

[Reelsoffun]

. Perhaps we should stop playing Redtigers games

TBH loads of people on here have said they don't play red tigers already, and out of all my gambling buddies only 1 plays them at all and then only rarely. I have found many people over the years boycott one provider or another.

 

[nikantw]

If you play on a game with no volatility you are absolutely correct in you're statement regarding playtime but if you are playing high volatile games the amount of spins you have to play to get close to the TRTP of the game is so high that most players will not notice.

As I said I don't think that lowering RTP doesn't reduce playtime but just saying that 98% to 96% you lose 50% playtime is not correct.

I was very specific and explained everything in detail. Please provide some examples of slots with a lower RTP in VS that you get more playtime (as per your claim). Unless you take that back.

As I explained, there is nothing to "think". It is math. If the RTP reduced wasn't all from super rare less than 1/million wins you will feel it.
There are low and mid variance slots too, but even the HV ones don't have more than 2% on super rare wins (I think that is what Harry said)

Be specific. Lets say that Mystery Reels slot reduced from 98% to 93%. Lets say in super rare wins it has that 2% and lets say provider took most of that off, there is still 3% left taken from small wins. That would be close to half playtime lost.

Again, if you can, give a specific example of a provider that could and chose to reduce all the RTP from super rare wins.
Please, name a few games and give exact numbers.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Where is the rtp to be found for Age of gods ruler of the sky? These last few slots mentioned are the two latest games in their new releases list. If I struggle finding them then your average jo will not likely simply stumble upon them.
But Videoslots "Are proud of our transparency"
Ok

Edit. I found it eventually. Wait for it....

91%
You try finding it after accessing the slot

TBH playtech have never had great RTPs anyway..... plus 0.99% to the progressives if it has one.

 

[geordiecolin]

TBH playtech have never had great RTPs anyway..... plus 0.99% to the progressives if it has one.

I have just edited the post that you quoted

 

[colinsunderland]

Where is the rtp to be found for Age of gods ruler of the sky? These last few slots mentioned are the two latest games in their new releases list. If I struggle finding them then your average jo will not likely simply stumble upon them.
But Videoslots "Are proud of our transparency"
Ok

Edit. I found it eventually. Wait for it....

91%
You try finding it after accessing the slot

95.92 on Betfair

 

[geordiecolin]

It just highlights the reason why I have banged on in this forum about transparency and the need to display the rtp on the point of a game firing up.
91% though?

 

[Reelsoffun]

Just out of interest if in say 6 months time you find all the other main casinos have lowered RTPs then what ? You going to boycott them and start going to land based?

No one likes the idea that could happen but TBH im sure VS wont be the only one doing this in months to come.

I personally live 1 hrs drive / train away from a land based casino and so im out of pocket before i even enter the casino and then faced with 90% slots, so for now I will stick with online, as my first tenner each day is technically a "free" punt to me using online.

 

[thr0b]

Edit. I found it eventually. Wait for it....

91%
You try finding it after accessing the slot

Gotta be honest. That one was easy to find; hamburger menu > help > bottom of file. Pretty standard !

 

[geordiecolin]

95.92 on Betfair

View attachment 116801

Cheers mate.
3 points points.
Why has TeamVideoslots not commented still given their determination to respond to our every post when the going is good?

Why have videoslots failed to inform their depositors clearly or otherwise on their site or via communication of their use of lower rtps on their slots recently?
Will Casinomeister reflect the activities of Videoslots in their reviews and their status?
I could add more but I am off to play before bed

 

[goatwack]

Who knew there were so many groundbreaking slots about in the low 90%s

Really warms the cockles of one's heart