VERY INTERESTING!!!!!

[prismpitboss]

mrracetrack, when an e-mail is sent to our support there is an auto reply is always sent.

Who is your e-mail provider? @???.com

Thanks,

John

 

[prismpitboss]

jinnia, do you have a problem if I send casinomeister a snap shot of your account?

Thanks,

John

 

[jinnia]

prismpitboss,

I have no problem with you sending him my accounts History.

 

[mrracetrack]

"mrracetrack, when an e-mail is sent to our support there is an auto reply is always sent.

Who is your e-mail provider? @???.com.."

john, here is another e-mail I sent to Prism that never was responded to... [email protected]
(requesting to be removed from Prism's mailing list)

My e-mail provider is Compuserve. ( @cs.com )

 

[prismpitboss]

Mrrace, could you send me an e-mail?

[email protected]

Thanks

John

 

[jinnia]

casinomeister,

you're going to shoot me .. the emails I've sent .. disregard, I sent wrong files .. I'm now sending you my bank statement.

I just hope you read this before more mail hits you, might overload your box.

So sorry -- thank you!

 

[mrracetrack]

Jinnia posted... "the emails I've sent .. disregard, I sent wrong files...I just hope you read this before more mail hits you, might overload your box..."

OH NO!! You didn't send that "naughty pictures" file AGAIN, did you??

:rofl:

 

[jinnia]

Ha ha, you such a funny funny man. But actually, yes I did, I'm sorry, now meister is going to REALLY know you mrracetrack .. Attach Removed (Old not found)

 

[jinnia]

First to:

John Shepard (Prismpitboss),

I want to apologize for all the hell I've caused you and the name calling to the degree I have done. I just got through going through all my papers from the bank, and the ones that was printed out and charges marked off by bank employee as 'unauthorized' wasn't matching up as I went.

So I loaded in my old hard-drive and recovered the text files from my Prism History account. Then started all over again.

I stated there were 71 'unauthorized' charges. (May and June) Well, I couldn't match the dates of deposits with the dates on my statement, so I matched dollar amount to dollar amount for June. Getting all dollar amounts matching (though dates were off), that shows in my History marked off.

Though there is still 29 'unauthorized' (unexplained) charges for June, I still apologize for lying about how many.

I should have checked all papers myself instead of just trusting what was on bank papers. For this, I am truly sorry!

I'm not going to do anything about May or August, unless you want to me to go through them..? If so, just say, I will.

Thank You and I am sorry!
Debi

 

[jinnia]

Second :

Casinomeister,

I want to apologize to you also for making your forum a battle ground and for lying to you about the amount of 'unexplained' charges, I am truly sorry meister!

You should have all the information now, sent by email just before coming here to apologize to all of you.

As with you, if you're just wanting to know about May and August charges, say so, I'll go through them, or send to you.

Again, I am really sorry!!
Debi

 

[jinnia]

Now, for the rest of you:

I want to apologize to all of you for making this forum that you probably consider home a battle ground. I lied about the amount of 'unauthorized' (unexplained) charges, and made too big an issue here for all to see/read.

I really should have thought a little more and looked over the papers instead of just accepting them for how they were filled out and not reacted so fast. for this, I apologize to all of you.

I am sorry!
debi

 

[mrracetrack]

PrismPitboss John...

I have received the e-mail you sent me.

 

[prismpitboss]

casinomeister, I'm sending the account info today.

Thanks,


John

 

[jpm]

Jinnia, its only a lie if you said it to mislead us, not if you made a mistake in counting them up. I believe you just made a mistake, and thanks for having the integrity to come forward publicly to correct it.

 

[bewitch]

jpm, well saying. Wish I can come out the words as yours.
Jinnia, I believe you are a very straight person. Hope meister will help things out between Prism and you. After all, there are still a lot of unauthorized charges.

I am still waiting for the $500 "refund" from EZTP.NET. sigh....

Good luck and my best wish to you!

 

[jinnia]

jpm,

Thank you. It's kind for you to say that. I appreciate it.


bewitch,
Thank you. You have been very kind to me all along the way, it's appreciated.

I couldn't find my snap shots the other day, but I have since found all.
I'm not going to yell and clog up this forum with posts on that matter, but I am talking about it .. grin

You've not heard one word from EZTP.NET?

Do what you've got to do.

I wouldn't do it, but as spearmaster said:
((I don't believe in chargebacks either - but in some very extreme cases, where there is no where else to go, that is the only option available.))

I almost agree with him on that myself right now.

But from my understanding, if you use a regular charge card, you can do a 'charge back', if a bankcard is used, you can not.

But remember, if you do charge backs, your name gets put somewhere (maybe jpm, meister can say where), and then you may have problems depositing at other casinos.

Thank you bewitch. I wish you luck!


**So that's another thing that needs to be brought to players attention: Do Not use a bankcard to deposit with online casinos, for if a problem comes around about unauthorized charges, you can not do charge backs, bankcards are handled differently, so if you can't settle with the casino you're out the money, unless your bank will reimburse you by you filing fraud forms.**

 

[bewitch]

"What A Headache" LOL!
I use Citi bank issue Mastercard. EZTP said there nothing they can do (???) since they already issue a refund on 8/8! My bank said the refund never arrive (???). So EZTP tell me to go ahead to charge back!!! What a mess? Along the way, the ladydream didn't help but lock my account and won't pay my winning. Not too surprise after knowing they are the evil one.

However, EZTP double charge me at June ( 2 x $500) instead of reund. My bank dispute $500 for me and now I want them to dispute another $500 since EZTP "suggest" me to do charge back.

Basically I am done with online gambling. It's just too much stress for me. Money is not a problem here. It's the headache to deal with it.

Good luck. Make sure get all your money back. I am the witness here and watching Prism following his promise!

 

[linda7]

Well, I might as well toss my problem into the mix here and maybe someone can give me a suggestion on how to deal with it. I signed up with Grand Hotel Casino (Meister, if you remeber I wrote to you in the beginning of this issue) the next thing I knew my account was locked. I called and asked why, and they said that a "Laurence Lieber" owed them money. Laurence Lieber is my ex=husband, we divorced on February 9, 1999. Now here is the interesting part, I wrote to them, explained that we have been divorced, and that I used to reside at the address that Laurence used, but I do not anymore.
I also offered to pay what was owed in order to "clean up" my name. They wrote to me that Laurence owes $2800, and if I would pay this amount, provide proof of my divorce, and proof of my new address, they would re-open my account. I replied that I would agree to all of their terms, however, I needed a detailed breakdown of the $2800, so I could give it to my lawyer and he could get my reimbursement from my ex. Grand Hotel replied "we cannot provide you with this information, since you were not the one who made the charges"! Now lets make sure we are all on the same page here....they want me to pay for charges I did not make, and will not provide me with any concrete info that these charges were ever even made. If I do not have something in writing to submit to my lawyer saying that I paid money for charges incurred by Laurence, and a detailed breakdown of when these charges were done, I am out $2800. Any ideas out there?
Thanks, Linda

 

[jpm]

Hi Linda, what I can't figure out is how they connect you to him? You said you used to live at the address he used, so I assume you used your current address when you signed up.

Did you ask when these charges were made and how it is that he 'owes' them $2800? The only way I could see that is if he charged back all that money (its not like they extend credit at these places!). In any case, if these charges were made after you were divorced, then they have NO reason to require you to pay and you have no obligation to. And if I were you, I wouldn't.

Grand Hotel is just another MG viper casino, and if you really want to play there games, there are at least 1/2 dozen places I can think of right off the top of my head for you to play the same exact games. I'm sure there's another 1/2 dozen that I didn't think of too.

One thing you may want to do though is check with proccyber (insist upon speaking to a manager!) and see if that is where this problem comes from. If it is then you'll need to clear things up with them before you can play at virtually any MG casino. If you don't, you'll have NOTHING but headaches.

 

[bewitch]

Oh, Dear Linda. You are so nice to offer to pay off. But please don't let yourself get into trouble. It's really a headache to deal with the mess.

Good news to share here. My bank dispute department just called me and said they already pay me the $500 back today! (Yah!)

They will go after EZTP's bank and deal with them. They submit all the information I provided to EZTP's bank and give me $500 credit first! I told the lady it's EZTP told me to charge back so I can get my money back and she said similar situation happened before. The merchant has problem to credit back the customer and have to use charge back to "refund" the money!

I am sure happy, but I am also concerned here... Will my bank force me to pay them $500 if EZTP refuse to pay the bank? All the information I have is the email from EZTP and print out from DirectNetPay. It show it should be $500 charge and $500 refund on June.

I never do any charge back (only one time when I lost my wallet 5 years ago and credit card company did on their own for us). So I really don't know what will hapeen next step. Any advise? Thanks!

 

[linda7]

Hi JPM,
Thank Goodness I do not have any problems with Proc-Cyber, as I have cashed out with them via other casinos. When I divorced, I was awarded the house, last year I sold it and bought a 3 family home, since it would bring in extra income with the 2 rental apartments. Because of memory problems, I keep a journal. I was told by Grand Hotel that my EX signed up with Vegas Joker (i hope I have that name right) on May 29, 2003 and used my computer and my home address. I checked my journal, and it was on that day that I had broken my right foot and in desperate need of someone to watch the kids, I let that creep into my home. Apparently, he still gets kicks out of abusing me, and he must have done a chargeback after playing. However, they did tell me that on this day in particular it was a $100 charge and I thought this was how much I would be forced to pay, since it was done from my computer. So when they said $2800 I was still willing to pay, however, I need proof to present to my attorney. They refuse to provide me with this as I stated above. Since, I did not make the charges, I also did not feel responsible to pay for them. I just dont want my name associated with his. He was not a nice man when we were married and I can see he has not changed his ways. BTW, I have since obtained a court order and he is not allowed to set foot on my property.

 

[linda7]

Dear Bewitch:
I am so happy you got your money. I wish I could give you advice on the chargeback, but I have not done any so I do not know if this can cause you a problem. But since they told you to do it, and I hope you have it in writing, then hopefully there will be no problems.

Linda ((((hugs))))

 

[cipher]

Hi Linda;

I've been wondering how you are doing.

Linda, under no circumstances should you pay any amount of money to these clowns. If they have a beef with Laurence that's their problem. I would suggest that you email these clowns and insist that your account be un-locked and immediately remove any money on account.

If they give you even the slightest bit of problem email me and let me know. But again, DO NOT PAY Laurence's debt under any circumstances.

There are very serious consequences involved in paying other peoples debts. Not the least of which is the fact that you could be opening yourself up to being contingently liable for other debts of Laurences. Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[linda7]

Dear Cipher:
Thank you so very much for helping me in this situation. I will definitely take your advice and not pay Laurence's debt. I am so glad I posted my problem, as I have been debating this issue in my mind for a few weeks. Grand Hotel locked me out before I even made a deposit, so I do not have money in their casino. I was just shocked that I was locked out, as this was the first time I was ever locked out of a casino.

Thank you once again Cipher for sharing your knowledge with me and for your offer to help. You are a very nice person.

Linda (((hugs)))

 

[jinnia]

((bewitch)) Will my bank force me to pay them $500 if EZTP refuse to pay the bank?))

bewitch,

If your bank paid you the monies as a 'Provisional' credit, there is a waiting period before it becomes yours, so to give eztp (or whoever) a chance to dispute it. If there is no dispute or any proof shown during that waiting period that the money is not owed you. Then it's yours. You should get a letter from your bank at that time telling you, 'the funds remains yours'.

But if proof is shown to the bank it's not owed you, the bank withdraws it.

 

[jinnia]

bewitch,

(("What A Headache" LOL!))
It is, isn't it. And in my opinion, not worth the risk to get cheated or go through another headache again. "Online gaming just don't exist for me any longer!!"

((My bank said the refund never arrive (???).))
Then in my opinion, eztp.net is the one not telling the truth here.

((So EZTP tell me to go ahead to charge back!!!))
Then do as they ask of you bewitch, don't disappointment a company by ignoring their wishes .. smile

I feel bad for you. Sorry you're going through this.
Is eztp (or whoever) ignorant?
The bank knows if that was paid back into your account or not.

((Basically I am done with online gambling.))
If you decide to quit online gaming for sure, then do a charge back if you can't get your money any other way.

((It's just too much stress for me.))
Too much stress for sure. Players don't need BS from any online casino (company) to add stress on top of what just ordinary living causes.

((Money is not a problem here. It's the headache to deal with it.))
I've had severe migraines to hit me over BS online gaming makes, and decided a couple days ago, I'll not let them cause another one. I'm doing things in a more calm manner, and it looks as if things are coming together better since I've decided to not be upset.

((Good luck. Make sure get all your money back.))
Oh, I AM getting my money back, already received most of the charges credited back. And will get the rest plus bank charges.

((I am the witness here and watching Prism following his promise!))
I'm not worried about any of it now. Went through 6 hours trying to locate my information kept, couldn't, so just said to hell with it and used information sent to me by someone else, but then I took time off from posting, took a deep breath, got a little sleep, then started searching for my files again. I found them. I'm more relaxed now and things are coming together without yelling about it, just calmly stating.

Relax bewitch, stay calm, things work out faster and better is you do so. I know!

Good Luck Lady!

 

[bewitch]

Jinnia, Glad you are more relax now. Thank you for the advise.

All I have is the print out from DirectNetPay showing refund and EZTP's email (from EZNP, in fact)saying the credit was made at 8/8. Hope it be enough for the bank to go after them.

My bank was very mess up, too. I always got different story everytime I called. Sometimes they told the credit was from EZTP and sometimes they told it's from the bank. I had a nice talk with the lady last night and told her the whole mess and confusion. She said all the credit was from bank and the bank was after EZTP's bank and get the money. So far EZTP didn't respond yet. Hope it will be it! THE END ~ !

This bank account is my gambling money not my "real life" bank account. So I will wait for a while and close it and say good bye! Life is too short to worry!

Take care and good luck.

 

[bewitch]

Dear Linda. I am sorry to hear you ex is a xxxx. Wish I live more close to you, so I will be able to help out when you need someone there.

You are a very nice lady. But please don't let people use your kindness as a tool. I used to help some women trying to get away from abuse husbands. Most of them are too kind and always forgive the ex-husband. You and your kids are the most important persons in the world. Please don't let him have any chance to hurt you in any way (physical, mental or finical).

There are a lot of reputable casino you can play. Good luck and my best wish to you!

P.S. We raise $720 for WHYME this time. Not bad. Just want to let you know!

 

[jinnia]

bewitch,

((All I have is the print out from DirectNetPay showing refund and EZTP's email (from EZNP, in fact)saying the credit was made at 8/8. Hope it be enough for the bank to go after them.))

That should be THE proof your bank needs. After all, it came directly from eztp and direct-net-pay themself.

I'm sure the bank will get it all back for you with that information.

(( So I will wait for a while and close it and say good bye! Life is too short to worry!))
I hear you there bewitch, especially worries over crap others bring upon you. To hell with that, and to them.

I've said good bye also to online gaming.

you get the email? when you do, check and see if I'm right ..

You take care bewitch, and all the best to you.
Take a deep breath and just smile. .. *smile*

 

[linda7]

Dear Bewitch:
Thank you for your very supportive words. He was abusive, however, the first time that he hit me in front of the children was the day that I knew I was going to sue for divorce. The divorce was very messy, but I stood my ground and eventually won. I am now married to a great guy and I am so happy. I have chosen to keep the same last name for the childrens sake...they did not want me to have a different name then them.

I hope all works out great for you Bewitch. I am certain that you will get all your money. I can definitely identify with the stress factor!!

Jinnia, I know that you have chosen to give up online gambling, as did Bewitch. However, I hope you both continue to post here as I love reading what both of you have to say.

Lets all stay in touch,,,,my email addy is [email protected].

Love and Hugs to you both...Linda

 

[jinnia]

linda7,

Sorry to hear about your abusive marriage.

But happy for you, that you have found a good man.

I to was in one and STAYED like the idiot I am for 25 years. Don't ask, why, I have no idea. After it took its toll and ended up with dr. telling me I had 6 months to a year to live if I stayed in it, with no guarantees if I got out of it, I finally left.

Still health problems, system shut down, I don't produce red blood cells like I should, so take b-12 injection every month for a little energy boost for about a week of that month. Been taking these since May of "95. Medicines I had to take at home everyday, I now don't need them any longer as of 4 years ago. But will need the injections til day I die, so doctor says.

And NO people, the myth about b-12 being ______, grin .. it stimulates your system into producing red blood cells is all.

((Jinnia, I know that you have chosen to give up online gambling, as did Bewitch. However, I hope you both continue to post here as I love reading what both of you have to say.))

Oh yes, as long as the meister don't boot my butt out of here, I'll be here off and on. bewitch and myself both agree, this is more fun than online gaming and a whole heck of a lot cheaper and less headaches .. grin

Best of LUCK in your life linda5.

(sorry people for taking up this thread with Husbands Done Bad .. grin. I'm done now)

 

[bewitch]

((Oh yes, as long as the meister don't boot my butt out of here, I'll be here off and on. bewitch and myself both agree, this is more fun than online gaming and a whole heck of a lot cheaper and less headaches))

Yes, totally agree. Love to visit the forum here as long as Meister don't think I am bring the gaming forum into family style direction and kick me out. LOL!

 

[murder1]

Hey Jinna and Bewitch, PLEASE Let me know how you're doing in giving up online gaming. I myself is trying to discipline myself to only goto real casinos maybe 2 or 3 times a month. I agree there is lot more to life than this rigged online gaming. But I must say it would be awhole lot easier if Congress go ahead and Ban this Monster. I am going to spend the rest of the time Day Trading. <,) I myself thinks its also time to move on from this online Gaming.

 

[jinnia]

murder1,

It's not hard at all!!

I have a little money on one casino (not an RTG), I'll play it, but for depositing new money anywhere online. I have lost all desire to right now.

I took a 'calgon' moment, and it took me away .. from all the BS with online gaming.. smile.
I actually feel more relaxed today, than I have over last 12 months since gaming online.

Congress can pass the bill and put it to force, or not. The online gaming industry is killing itself fast.

There are those very few that are good and will survive, but then there are those many rogue ones that will lose.

Good Luck with whatever you decide.

 

[linda7]

Dear Jinnia,

I was very saddened to hear of your abusive marriage and how sick you are as a result. You will be in my prayers every single day.

I stayed 14 years, I thought my kids would hate me if I divorced their daddy. Took some adjusting, but Thank Our Lord, we are doing ok.

(((hugs, love and kissess my friend)))) Linda

 

[jinnia]

linda7,

Thank you!!

But that horror is in my past now, I survived, so it's long gone.

He paid big time, after I walked, and he lost that control over me, he lost his mind, was locked in a mental institute. Last I heard, he's out, but on very heavy medications. diagnosed Paranoid Schitzophrenic (however it's spelled).

I've always said and I'm a true believer in, "what goes around, comes around", to all!!

You pay in one way or another when you purposely hurt someone in any way, and that male paid, he got hit full force when it went back around to him.

 

[jinnia]

just an Update:

I've received my money, but from the bank, not from no where or no one else. They have also retrieved some of theirs back already.

So far, only one turned out to be a legit charge made, I received email from the casino, not an RTG, and I opened a NETeller account, funded it, made a $20.00 deposit with this casino, sent email letting them know the money was there, they then pulled it out as payment being reimbursed back to them. It's settled with them.

 

[babysister]

Jinnia,

I have been keeping up with your post on the problems that you were having. Also sorry to hear what you've been through. I am so glad that you have finally settle your issues with gambling.

If you don't mind, I have some questions regarding your last post. You said that the bank retrieved it's money. Who did the bank retrieved it's money from? Was it from the casino? Did the bank find that the casino unauthorized charges and was reimbursed by the casino or direct net or who ever? This is interesting because I want to know if the casino paid up and was at fault.

I wish you guys, Linda, bewitch, well, stay safe and keep posting. :yes:


Babysister.

(Message edited by babysister on September 07, 2003)

(Message edited by babysister on September 07, 2003)

 

[bewitch]

Hi, Babysister,
It's me having issue with directnetpay (EZTP) whoever behind this. Jinnina has issue with AVP Sloution and EZTP and others as well.

About your question, I ask the bank dispute department when they called me and credit me last week.

First, they ask me provide the information and sign the dispute paper. Then they go to EZTP's bank and show them the paper and information. EZTP has to prove me wrong, otherwise the EZTP's bank will pay my bank. During the investigation, my bank will put the credit back to my account from themselves until the whole case settle. So my bank get paid either from EZTP's bank if EZTP can't prove it OR get the credit back from me if I am wrong.


About who charge (and have to pay back) in the other side? Casino or cash processor? Let's put this way. They all said it'e each other's fault at first, then EZTP said they had a lot of technical problems recently and I am not the only one. So who? I still don't know. But casino shouldn't use this as excuase to avoid the problem and help the players.

Hope it answer your question! Have a good one!

 

[jinnia]

Hi Babysitter,

Yes, the bank gave back at first $167.00 as a Provisional credit, then when the charges wasn't proven to be legit, It changed to a permanent credit back to me. Same with $190.00, which was the next amount credited back. Third amount was for $758.00. As these go from Provisional credits to permanent, that means the bank got that amount back to replace theirs.

At this point, I still don't know where the money is from. Once it is all concluded, closed, I'll see the bank fees credited also. Once that happens, maybe I can find out from the bank where/who they retrieved the money back from.

All I do know is that the reps' of RTG or Prism (still not sure of which) has told the GPWA members all was settled bewtween me and Prism.

I guess I missed that settling?!! For nothing was settled between Prism and myself, that I'm aware of.

In my opinion, this issue is over, for me anyway. I stopped and let the bank just do their work.

If asked if I'd recommend Prism, I would NOT. If asked if I've had any bad experiences with Prism, I'd answer Yes. Then will only go into details if asked what.

 

[babysister]

Jinnia & bewitch;

Thank you for replying to my questions.

 

[jinnia]

babysitter ... you are welcome.

 

[jinnia]

Hi y'all,

I'm just updating.

Talked with the Vice President of my bank today, he's no longer asking me to close all my accounts with them, if I quit online gaming using my accounts. I told him I have since done so,
they remain open. (one positive thing so far from all this).

Was also told by the lady at my branch, I'm out the bank fees. Over $1400.00 worth actually, but to go by what I finally done, just match dollar amount to dollar amount instead of dates for actual deposits, it would amount to approx. $740.00 in bank fees, plus the bank fees by my monthly payments going through and the money not there to cover them caused by this, which is approx. $320.00 which = $1060.00 total I'm out.

So this is another turn in the path. I'll get the bank fees by '''who''' caused them, One Way or Another(period) Be it cash paid back, or by 'them' to lose more than I have lost, by keeping this alive all over the forums, posters put up in every town I travel through. Whatever it takes!

The bank is no longer involved as far as my bank fees are concerned.

The issue between myself and '''whoever''', REMAINS OPEN.

No no, relax, I'll not be posting here to the degree as I done before.

It has NOT come to a complete rest, yet.

 

[linda7]

Jinnia,
I am so steamed that your bank expects YOU to recover the fees which your bank charged your accounts. This is total BS. We are talking over $1,000 and that is a lot of money to lose to a bank for charges you did not authorize!!!!

In the meantime, I am trying to think of some way to help you get to the bottom of this issue. Jetset, Spearmaster, (I know Meister is away), Cipher, JPM, anyone with any ideas to help Jinnia?

This has gone beyond the point of ridiculous.

Love, Linda

 

[jinnia]

Linda7,

It is fine. Thank you! I've pulled a lot of you nice people into this issue, and I appreciate how you stood by me.

If the money is gone, it's gone, but it will be continued to be kept alive, just in more of a calm manner.

That's what the woman in my branch told me today, bank fees are my loss. I'm waiting for email back from the Vice President. When received, I'll be asking him in a return email about it.

I made the mistake of playing online. I appreciate your concern linda7, but my mistake, my solution.

You are a great lady and so very kind, and I thank you!

Take Care
debi

 

[jpm]

Don't give up on them Debi, bank fees are never lost. If you persist and they are in the wrong, you can recover them. Its just an internal credit they have to do. I suspect they are resistant due to the amount of the fees, but keep badgering them. I've been known to pester them over a $2 fee that should not have been deducted from my account, and finally had it reversed after threatening to pull all my accounts out. If you have any loans thru them, threaten to transfer them as well as closing your regular accounts.

Threaten to (or do) complain to the state banking commission or the attourney general's office in your state. Also complain to the FDIC & the federal banking commission. But be sure your ducks are in a row before you make a big stink about it with outside agencies. You may find yourself being audited by the IRS if someone thinks you are a high roller on the internet. Just be careful!

 

[jinnia]

Oh yeah jpm, I'm a VERY high roller, nickel and quarter slots .. haha.

Besides, I don't pay taxes. But if IRS wants to look over my tax files, it'll be a breeze, I have none! smile

I think the bank is lying to me to a degree. For I did receive an email from Vegas Towers, telling me a $20.00 deposit I had made was 'CHARGED BACK'(?) to them. I checked over my files, and it came through Selborne Ltd., that one was legit, so I opened a NETeller account, funded it, made a $20.00 deposit with the casino, sent email, told them money was in account, they pulled it out, so I got that paid back to them that way.

But what gets me is the bank telling me THEY paid the unauthorized charges back to me, and they are taking the loss. Not true according to the email I got, they 'CHARGED BACK"?
Bank told me you can't do charge backs on bankcards, but evidently that is what they have done, at least with Vegas Towers.

So I know they are getting some money back, and told me they wasn't?? I don't like that, not at all!

I did not sign papers for charge backs, I signed fraud papers for investigation of stolen monies to be recovered in a correct manner.

This has been too damn stressful, depressing, still behind from the monies taken.

And, I will be discussing with the bank sometime in next couple of days about this.

They asked me to close down all accounts I have with them, then said if quit using accounts for online gaming, I could leave them open, BUT, if they have lied and I can find out, I'll close on my own. Don't want to do business with a bank who lies about issues like this.

They are getting the money (at least some I know) and lying? To keep from paying the bank fees maybe??

Oh, guess what? I've been invited to the GPWA (via, online) to discuss the Prism issue, wonder why? Is Prism pushing something new, hmmmm?

I WILL continue telling about the experiences I've had with Prism, from the first MANAGER APPROVED withdrawal not ever sent from February, (due to them changing their mind and coming up with many excuses to finally telling me to just hang it up, I'm not getting it), to the 'unauthorized' charges. I WILL keep this fresh on players minds.
Just more calm about it.

If it be Prism, or their e-pocessors, it is Prism who hired them for this service, so in my opinion, it is Prism who should stand as being responsible.

I've lost some money it seems, but if keeping this going is taking/stopping players from depositing at a 'certain' casino, that casino loses more!!

I may be wrong, but these are my feelings.

Ok jpm, I'll stop here .. grin

 

[jpm]

They can charge back any unauthorized withdrawls, they just don't call it a chargeback with a debit card because its taken right out of your account. The fraud papers accomplish the same thing as a chargeback. Its just more difficult to do when a debit card is involved. They may not be telling you the whole story of what is going on in the background.

 

[jinnia]

Hi jpm, that's the way I'm seeing it. They are getting their money back, and telling me they are not.

I'll be bringing this to the attention of the Vice President I've spoken with and sent email to.

I'll not let it go.

Thank you jpm, you have really been supportive and helpful to me through this, I really appreciate it.

 

[jinnia]

Oh yeah, did I ever say what prompted one of the phone calls I received, from ... on this issue??...grin

It seems someone elses post was construed as mine, the one speaking of the 'goon' experience.

Oh Lord! Someone thought it was MY post, called and made comment about it saying, 'this is just a third world country'. ha ha ha.

I didn't say it, but the thought crossed my mind to say, 'well, where does most of the terrorism, drug dealers, money laundrying and 'goon's originate from?"

Sorry, just recalled that, thought it was funny, so posted it.