Very hard to win at the end of the month

[whodatrec]

I`ve been on an insane losing streak this past week. 15-20 deposits no chance at all. I`ve been playing NetEnt and it seams at the end of the month its stone cold.. It`s not the first time it`s happened to me. Maybe it has to meet its RTP so then it goes dead if someone had big wins earlier this month.

Let`s take Wish master as an example. It`s stone cold dead... Im down 1000 euros and havent even hit a 100x bet win playing 0.40 stake, now i would call that kinda variance unreal. I bet its because that 200K hit on this slot, it`s prolly going to be dead for weeks to come.

I have noticed this kind of pattern before, that at the end of the month it gets very hard to get ahead.

 

[dunover]

I`ve been on an insane losing streak this past week. 15-20 deposits no chance at all. I`ve been playing NetEnt and it seams at the end of the month its stone cold.. It`s not the first time it`s happened to me. Maybe it has to meet its RTP so then it goes dead if someone had big wins earlier this month.

Let`s take Wish master as an example. It`s stone cold dead... Im down 1000 euros and havent even hit a 100x bet win playing 0.40 stake, now i would call that kinda variance unreal. I bet its because that 200K hit on this slot, it`s prolly going to be dead for weeks to come.

I have noticed this kind of pattern before, that at the end of the month it gets very hard to get ahead.

That explains it.

Seriously, your RTP isn't affected by other players' RTP unless Netent have the little man changing the pay-outs for each player if the casino has paid out too much.......

 

[Jory]

My experience has been that netent is always stonecold and impossible to get ahead.

It doesn't matter what day of the month it is, its always the same predictable gameplay and outcome.

 

[Nicola]

That explains it.

Seriously, your RTP isn't affected by other players' RTP unless Netent have the little man changing the pay-outs for each player if the casino has paid out too much.......

So that would mean avoiding BetSafe for the next 3 years after the £235,000 win last week?

 

[AmarrEmperor]

That's not how RTP works, unless you confirm the slot is a compensated slot (Look it up if you don't know what that is)

i'd say you were simply unlucky.

 

[whodatrec]

But its true My worst streaks are always at the end of the month for some strange reason.

 

[Tirilej]

But its true My worst streaks are always at the end of the month for some strange reason.

Then stop playing that week of the month then. Problem solved.
You will win always and everyone will be happy

...or could it be in Norway as it is here.
The paycheck arrives at the end of each month and you're playing more agressive because you have more money?
Just something to think about.

 

[bigjohn]

Then stop playing that week of the month then. Problem solved.
You will win always and everyone will be happy

...or could it be in Norway as it is here.
The paycheck arrives at the end of each month and you're playing more agressive because you have more money?
Just something to think about.

Brilliant!

 

[whodatrec]

That's not how RTP works, unless you confirm the slot is a compensated slot (Look it up if you don't know what that is)

i'd say you were simply unlucky.

Yes i know what a compensated slot is and i am pretty sure thats the way online slots work aswell. Ive seen so many strange things and streaks that no f`ing way its "Random"

 

[mcgameboy]

Yes i know what a compensated slot is and i am pretty sure thats the way online slots work aswell. Ive seen so many strange things and streaks that no f`ing way its "Random"

Like post #81 in this thread?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/mega-wins-min-3000x-bet.61366/

Funny thing is....in the immediate aftermath of that win, I do not recall you getting the completely irrational urge to start a thread with the title.....

"Very easy to hit a monster on DOA which pays "ruffley" 4200x bet in the middle of the month".

I'm trying to figure WHY you resisted the urge to do that....was it because you WON perhaps?

I was playing Avalon at Players Palace this morning. Over the course of 501 spins at 40p a spin and 42 minutes playtime, I suffered a £75 ass-kicking and not even a round of free spins to show for it.

Call me insane if you like, but at no stage did I get the urge to start a thread called....

"Very hard to win when playing Avalon at Players Palace on Monday mornings, especially when playing between 6.52am and 7.34am. Time of the month irrelevant - cuz dey is rigged innit?"

I'll have to PM Dunover and ask him if he has any of his wonderful hats in stock. And then maybe I'll phone the Daily Star and tell them to hold the front page for this jaw-dropping headline....

"Casinos in business to make money shocker".

Something tells me I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for them to run that story

 

[whodatrec]

Im not saying its impossible to win. I have won countless times, big amounts to. But it seams to me these games follows patterns. I cannot belive that anyone else is not seeing this? Some of my friends has also commented on this.

In another thread someone wrote something about malkov chains( I cant remember the exact name) but it is some mathematical system that slots supposedly use. And another user pointed out if this was the case slots will not be truly random because in this system the following event is depending on the current state. Hence if certain combinations arise( Lets say alot of losing outcomes) Then by its nature it the following combinations has to follow this pattern. This may explain my OP and other streaks.

Also when you are on a winning streak it might just be that the certain combinations of events creates this streak. This will explain why software providers like MG and NetEnt dont want to go public about their slots inner workings. It will still be totally random who wins and who dont and fully possible to keep the payout % where it should be.(Im not claiming they dont pay the advertised RTP)
But if you can spot certain patterns in games someone could develop software that can predict these chains/sequences hence giving that person an edge.

Still i enjoy playing slots and im not saying its rigged as in u cant win, all im saying is there seams to be some system at work.
Even if slots are compensated that does not mean u cannot win or that its rigged in that manner, but its not truly random. We used to have machines at the stores here in Norway before they got banned. They where like fruites/compensated but still i won alot on them.

PS my losing streak just ended with a 500+ x bet hit on the Dish Washer

PPS IM NOT SAYING CASINOS CHEAT! Im just saying its possible things are not as everyone belive it to be.

 

[rshkrn]

Im not saying its impossible to win. I have won countless times, big amounts to. But it seams to me these games follows patterns. I cannot belive that anyone else is not seeing this? Some of my friends has also commented on this.

Do you know how profitable most of the casinos are ?
Why would the casinos risk trying to tweak anything at all, leave alone at the end of the month ?

 

[bigjohn]

Im not saying its impossible to win. I have won countless times, big amounts to. But it seams to me these games follows patterns. I cannot belive that anyone else is not seeing this? Some of my friends has also commented on this.

In another thread someone wrote something about malkov chains( I cant remember the exact name) but it is some mathematical system that slots supposedly use. And another user pointed out if this was the case slots will not be truly random because in this system the following event is depending on the current state. Hence if certain combinations arise( Lets say alot of losing outcomes) Then by its nature it the following combinations has to follow this pattern. This may explain my OP and other streaks.

Also when you are on a winning streak it might just be that the certain combinations of events creates this streak. This will explain why software providers like MG and NetEnt dont want to go public about their slots inner workings. It will still be totally random who wins and who dont and fully possible to keep the payout % where it should be.(Im not claiming they dont pay the advertised RTP)
But if you can spot certain patterns in games someone could develop software that can predict these chains/sequences hence giving that person an edge.

Still i enjoy playing slots and im not saying its rigged as in u cant win, all im saying is there seams to be some system at work.
Even if slots are compensated that does not mean u cannot win or that its rigged in that manner, but its not truly random. We used to have machines at the stores here in Norway before they got banned. They where like fruites/compensated but still i won alot on them.

PS my losing streak just ended with a 500+ x bet hit on the Dish Washer

PPS IM NOT SAYING CASINOS CHEAT! Im just saying its possible things are not as everyone belive it to be.

I believe the developers of the major brands of gaming software have their art so well perfected that all these strings, chains, and complex sequences are not needed. They have highly specialized teams of mathematicians and testing on such a high level that layman will never be able to comprehend properly.

It's like any other highly specialized skill.

Did you ever try to build a concrete block masonry wall?

It's not easy but you could probably do it but most likely it will look like crap. If you look at how a professional job looks you see all the lines straight and even and no excess cement oozing out.

Now look at something like The New York Public Library. It's hard to even imagine that simple (but highly skilled) people built that. We might know the names of the companies involved but the individual artisans are anonymous to us and many people just pass on through it and never even give it a thought.

Same with these games, so much work went on behind the scenes that all that is required is to supply an RNG and they will perform flawlessly for billions of spins.

 

[BMWSTACK]

PS my losing streak just ended with a 500+ x bet hit on the Dish Washer

oh no! I'd like to say congrats but I checked the date and it seems today's date could be considered "the end of he month". Based upon this it seems that this win will go poof If you do not cash it out immediately.

 

[Captain Chaos]

The answer is obvious. Most people get paid towards the end of the month. So the doom switch gets flipped and it then starts eating everyone's money. It then gets put back at the start of the month when everybody has lost. Us smart gamblers know this and thus we only play at the start of a month. But don't make this public, will you? We don't want those evil casinos knowing we have cottoned on to their evil little game!

 

[tinybettor]

Well it is getting close to the end of the financial year and those shareholders need to be pleased.

 

[spintee]

End of the month every day in the month must be the end of it for me than as I canot win a bean at the mo, Just spent my last spends for this month and not even a withdraw coming in, Now thats a rare thing as normally got a few 50 - 100 quids going in at this time to keep me going till next month,
Saying that I have seen some changes in recent times & surley Im not the only person? I think somebodys switched the servers of at MG headquaters

 

[whodatrec]

I actually have 4 Withdrawals on the way, got back everything i lost and then some. But it was one heck of a losing streak.

 

[mcgameboy]

I actually have 4 Withdrawals on the way, got back everything i lost and then some. But it was one heck of a losing streak.

I've also not had much "joy" on the slots this year mate. I was £1,615 down at the end of May.

Come June 11th, I was down £65. Cashouts of £850 at Luxury and £900 at 32Red, made on the same day. And the two biggest cashouts I've ever had....my previous best was £400.

Oh and erm....they didn't happen at the end of the month

We all just gotta keep plugging away and hope the lucks turns our way, don't we?

 

[Tirilej]

I actually have 4 Withdrawals on the way, got back everything i lost and then some. But it was one heck of a losing streak.

That was good for you

You do play a lot. You lose a lot and you win a lot.
I'm really curious now what reason you will find the next time you're losing

 

[whodatrec]

Well, im still convinced there that slots are not random in the sence that the outcome on the reel strips are totally random. There are other mechanics going on im sure of it.

 

[funnymunny]

Well, im still convinced there that slots are not random in the sence that the outcome on the reel strips are totally random. There are other mechanics going on im sure of it.

If that is your true belief, then why continue to play?

 

[whodatrec]

Even if slots are not random someone has to win.. The slots at the stores are compensated/AWP but still it pays out its RTP.
If casino slots are not random that does not mean you cannot win.

I read somewhere online about the regulations of random slots in vegas. The only rule sett by regulators is it has to pay its RTP % and every possible reel combination has to be programed in and possible to hit. But still that does not mean that hitting spin is like rolling a dice. It may still have a compensated mechanic built in.

 

[Tirilej]

Even if slots are not random someone has to win.. The slots at the stores are compensated/AWP but still it pays out its RTP.
If casino slots are not random that does not mean you cannot win.

I read somewhere online about the regulations of random slots in vegas. The only rule sett by regulators is it has to pay its RTP % and every possible reel combination has to be programed in and possible to hit. But still that does not mean that hitting spin is like rolling a dice. It may still have a compensated mechanic built in.

Well something somewhere along the lines of playing do make them pay out after the RTP that is set.
What is random is how it will get there. Who will win, or lose and how much.
You can't find a pattern because it isn't there to find.
If you will win or lose and where, you don't know and will never know and I suppose that's why we all keep on playing.
We don't know, you don't know...so why search for an answer?

I hope I didn't write something silly now. I don't dare go back and read it again

 

[tinybettor]

Glad to see your losing streak is disappearing. If it's any consolation, mine is still going and getting worse every week. I hope mine will end very soon.

 

[whodatrec]

In the end it usually evens out. Im not questioning the RTP of the games. Im 100% sure that the major casinos pay out what they state.

Im not saying casinos cheat. Most casinos probably dont have any control or knowledge of how the games work as this is controlled by NetEnt, MG,WMS and so on. But im saying that most people believe that the RTP works as in what symbols appear are random, but clear patterns and streaks would suggest otherwise.

WMS games is a very good example of this. Lets take my favorite game: Ruby Slippers

It has certain patterns that happens all the time. When the game starts dishing out 1 reel Ruby slipper features all the time. Or very often, a big hit is incoming. Same as when u hit a Mega win on this slot, 500x and up, it will go stone cold EVERY time.
Also it can go on long cold streaks lasting days with no features and very low base game pays. I can pretty much tell within 50-100 spins on this slot if its worth continuing or if i should play some other game.

Also Bruce Lee behaves in a certain pattern. The other day it went on for 2 days maybe over 1000 spins and no free spin and almost no good hits. Then all of the sudden it gives me one free spin that pays a big fat 0, it then manages to dish out 10-12 freespins within maybe 50 spins that all pay good. Like its been saving up to that.

Dont get me wrong im not saying its rigged as in that u cannot win, im just saying its certain patterns that state its not random. As in my OP at the end of the month or so usually for me its stone cold. Same as weekends, my biggest wins have been during the week.

One explanation might be as Tirilej stated that most people get their paycheck at the end of the month hence more people playing and more "competition" for the big wins. Same as weekends when the majority have free time from work and can enjoy some slots.

 

[Tirilej]

One explanation might be as Tirilej stated that most people get their paycheck at the end of the month hence more people playing and more "competition" for the big wins. Same as weekends when the majority have free time from work and can enjoy some slots.

That was not what I was saying!

I suggested that you maybe changed your way of playing at the end of the month because you had more money.
I have noticed my own behaviour if I win a lot. I'm not as careful as I am normally and are playing more aggressivly, taking bigger risks.

I would say your talk of patterns is a little the same way. You, and I, all of us, are looking for patterns when we play.
If anyone says otherwise they are lying.
That doesn't mean there is any. We often try to replicate a winning session. We always want to be in control.

Who else then me are constantly placing the reels in their right position for a win? In my mind I mean
We have that specific thing in our heads that's called a brain and it's playing with us sometimes.
That's nothing we can control either. We are just humans.

Your patterns do exist sometimes, but when they are not, you will simply forget that and still keep on believing what you need to believe.

 

[michielm1]

in my experience its every week like this. monday to thirsday i can win some. or at least get a decent play time. friday and weekend mostly very very bad