Question utility bill not available for Novibet

Regarding no passport or driving license, there are ways round that, casinos can accept a birth certificate with extra address proof for example, the UKGC do say that somewhere on their site.

I'm not sure why you think there is negativity or insults, I haven't seen any on the thread, all anyone has done is give you advice that you didn't like, that doesn't mean it wasn't good advice.
 
To look at the gaming industry, improve it, call them to the table to solve matters. And look, we've found a whole new way of bypassing the proof of address thing, for people like me, whom it is not available to.
I don't believe that you have changed a thing, I should imagine that Novibet decided they'd better just pay you off and be done with it.

If it had been a larger sum than eighteen quid, it would not have been so easy. I doubt that they have changed their procedure because of this.
 
A few hours later, this came

Dear

Thank you for providing us with the requested documents but unfortunately they can not be accepted as the verification documents are specific.
The best we can do is to accept as proof of address your driving license and ask you to provide us your passport as identification document.
We also inform you that your withdrawal has been sent to your account.

For any questions or clarifications, do not hesitate to contact customer support at any time.

Kind regards,
Gorica
Novibet Support

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Am I right in thinking the law has no grey area ? I shall wait and see if the payment comes which I believe it will. The above email clears up things regarding a need for a utility bill although there may well be a cut off point in higher amounts, granted. Surely in the case of keeping your identity necessarily safe in any case, this should be cut and clear. I spoke to a friend earlier tonight who works for a certain bookie who was with her (unbeknown to me) colleague and they were both a bit shocked at such a huge need for an almost dna test. They both agreed the procedure should be crossed when going to deposit. It's not like you can do anything else on the way out, needing ID, at least that I know of.
 
A few hours later, this came

Dear

Thank you for providing us with the requested documents but unfortunately they can not be accepted as the verification documents are specific.
The best we can do is to accept as proof of address your driving license and ask you to provide us your passport as identification document.
We also inform you that your withdrawal has been sent to your account.

For any questions or clarifications, do not hesitate to contact customer support at any time.

Kind regards,
Gorica
Novibet Support

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Am I right in thinking the law has no grey area ? I shall wait and see if the payment comes which I believe it will. The above email clears up things regarding a need for a utility bill although there may well be a cut off point in higher amounts, granted. Surely in the case of keeping your identity necessarily safe in any case, this should be cut and clear. I spoke to a friend earlier tonight who works for a certain bookie who was with her (unbeknown to me) colleague and they were both a bit shocked at such a huge need for an almost dna test. They both agreed the procedure should be crossed when going to deposit. It's not like you can do anything else on the way out, needing ID, at least that I know of.
But this has nothing to do with identity theft. There are a lot of scam artists out there in the world, using fake IDs, and getting up to all kinds of mischief. This requirement of the casino is about providing official proof that you are who you say you are, to protect themselves from fraudsters, and where you claim to live, is actually where you live, due to licensing regulations. That's all it is.
 
They work for an online gambling company and don't understand KYC?
If they work instore then not sure the relevance of mentioning them tbh.
There are numerous reason why it would not work on first deposit, it would cripple new sign ups for a start. Although the UKGC can be stupid at times, they aren't that stupid.
They are supposed to start KYC within 3 days though and lock your account if you don't comply.

I said above they can use a work round if needed for the sig proof, which is what they are doing here. Your passport is now your ID, your DL is now your address proof along with the other information you sent them. They most likely wouldn't have accepted it without the screenshots of your account you sent, as they need to confirm your current address, a DL doesn't do that, but the 2 things together means there is much less of a chance of fraud or a RG issue.

Ive seen people who don't have signature ID wait weeks and months to get it sorted out, having to post stuff to Malta, get stuff notarised at a solicitors etc so you got off pretty easy.
 
They work for an online gambling company and don't understand KYC?
If they work instore then not sure the relevance of mentioning them tbh.
There are numerous reason why it would not work on first deposit, it would cripple new sign ups for a start. Although the UKGC can be stupid at times, they aren't that stupid.
They are supposed to start KYC within 3 days though and lock your account if you don't comply.

I said above they can use a work round if needed for the sig proof, which is what they are doing here. Your passport is now your ID, your DL is now your address proof along with the other information you sent them. They most likely wouldn't have accepted it without the screenshots of your account you sent, as they need to confirm your current address, a DL doesn't do that, but the 2 things together means there is much less of a chance of fraud or a RG issue.

Ive seen people who don't have signature ID wait weeks and months to get it sorted out, having to post stuff to Malta, get stuff notarised at a solicitors etc so you got off pretty easy.
In the shops and the b&ms they still want to see proof of who you are when transacting with a certain amount of cash. Over a grand, I believe.
 
At the end of the day, we're not reinventing the wheel, we're just making do with the wheel because it's perfectly good enough. I fully understand they have to protect themselves but then so do we. They want too much and in this instance I couldn't provide it no matter what I did which as far as I could tell meant small print says it's my fault while they potentially keep money that isn't theirs.

They all should do this proof thing before deposits. I am adamant of that and I don't think I will be swayed if I am honest. It stops all the pain of hitting the brickwall.

I haven't provided a utility bill or similarly acceptable. They got part of an address on a screenshot and declined it. Sure, someone behind closed doors may have okayed it but that puts the question of legal standpoint in doubt. Whether that is because of a minimum/maximum threshold I don't know. Maybe there should be a known threshold. They have released the funds which contradicts the whole point of excessive albeit "required" ID. I support financial safety for buyers and sellers, so to speak but the key point here is that the ID was impossible to get and was bypassed.
 
At the end of the day, we're not reinventing the wheel, we're just making do with the wheel because it's perfectly good enough. I fully understand they have to protect themselves but then so do we. They want too much and in this instance I couldn't provide it no matter what I did which as far as I could tell meant small print says it's my fault while they potentially keep money that isn't theirs.

They all should do this proof thing before deposits. I am adamant of that and I don't think I will be swayed if I am honest. It stops all the pain of hitting the brickwall.

I haven't provided a utility bill or similarly acceptable. They got part of an address on a screenshot and declined it. Sure, someone behind closed doors may have okayed it but that puts the question of legal standpoint in doubt. Whether that is because of a minimum/maximum threshold I don't know. Maybe there should be a known threshold. They have released the funds which contradicts the whole point of excessive albeit "required" ID. I support financial safety for buyers and sellers, so to speak but the key point here is that the ID was impossible to get and was bypassed.

I'm sorry but if you bank refused to let you have a statement then you should report them to the FCA, don't know who you bank with but I would be moving banks if they cannot/will not give you a statement. There are various reasons why you might need one in future, might as well get it sorted now. If you wanted a mortgage you would need one, if you claimed housing benefit you would need one, just 2 common examples.

The point I was making about your friends, simply, why do they not ask for ID of all customers at the door rather than just when they are required to by law? The answer is, because they would lose 90% of their business.

I do agree casinos aren't as up front as they should be, I have said on here many months ago, on the sign up form, all casinos should have a statement next to the 'I agree to terms' tickbox saying 'I agree to supply ID for KYC purposes, click here to see more' and a link to a page explaining what KYC is and what is required, and what might be required at different stages of the customer journey. However the law is clear that they don't have to, but in this case it was quite easy to see in the T&C's, MUCH easier than it is in some casinos, and some don't even mention it.

However, people would still ignore it, no matter how big and bold it was, I see it happen every day on different things.

The legal standpoint is clear, they haven't got round it here. It is that the casino have to be sure you are who you say you are. There is no law stating you need to provide any documentation to do this, just that the customer has to be identified. You supplied enough documentation to prove who you are, and, unlike many casinos, they applied common sense and allowed it. It would be much easier if all casinos were allowed access to CRA identification checks, but they aren't, so they have to do it another way. I'm sure Novibet would have much preferred to do an automatic electronic check in under 30 seconds with no staff intervention, than spend money on staff costs for the time it took to sort out.
 
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