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Is Kamala's media honeymoon blitz coming to an abrupt halt. She needs to announce her VP, and let them have the odd speech or two.

There's no covid excuse this time for ghost rallies and parking lot jobs, she needs to do packed houses with thousands of attendees.

All come to listen to her message and plan, or will she just be a not trump candidate, other than that an empty book.
 
goatwack said:
As much as I'd like to see Kamala Harris' press on with her campaign, the dawdling and delaying her official running as a nominee may be what's in play here, as it would be fascinating to see her newly crafted PR image to counter Trump.

Sadly, as of yet, only real alleged electioneering I've seen her do recently is rally at a nursing home in Philadelphia to 68 of its residents!
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I have been reliably informed that 4 of that number where in a coma when she arrived, then 4 shit themselves,6 projectile vomited,4 an acid reflux attack and two started singing "Hitler has only got one ball" When she left there where 8 in comas.
So all in all a complete success :p
 
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itsme123 said:
Some goodies to look forward to if Don the con gets into the Oval Office again....

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You overlook the fact that Harris leads the way by far when it comes to mass firings, with a 92% staff turnover. She loves to clean house too, let's not forget!

This of course from the woman whose sole job as 'Border Czar' was to maintain immigration levels, but chose instead to allow between ten to twenty million illegal immigrants to enter the U.S....

"I have never been to Europe" indeed, Kamala!

Attempting to locate dangerous & unvetted criminal elements and removing them from one's country is a bad thing I take it? as is placing tariffs on countries that place them on the U.S?

Biden sought to expand the Federal Government staffing levels, raising it by several $billion per year. I'd imagine this will be downsized, notwithstanding the simple fact that when any new administration/ organisation/ employers take over, it's quite rare for them not to bring in their own personnel :cool:
 
Trumpo was in office and wasnt a dictator even though the left screamed into the sky that he would be.

Aside from that, the laws in the USA would not allow it nor would he have the support to do such.

Go put "trump doesnt want to be a dictator" and there are tonnes of videos of him confirming this.

He should actually just shut his mouth and not even say unhinged things like he does anyways...but then would he have the support he does without it?
 
geordiecolin said:
A lot of those names you have mentioned have been accused as being "controlled opposition" - Allowed to say what they feel about things that are already out their other than topics/people that they are told are off limits.
In the UK a well known journalist was invited to join a well funded new online news station with the promise that she could talk about what she wanted. Once there they did everything they could to stop her talking about certain things. The stations owners/backers thought it a good way of shutting her up. After a few months she left.

These "controlled opposition" influencers include Russell Brand. They all promote rip off goods with a cut of the sales. Many promote "Emergency Medical supplies" and supplements that mostly can be obtained much cheaper via other methods. The big provider is The Wellness Company. It is said to be owned by a big pharma company ( I can't recall which) and ran by a guy called Peter Thiels's who is a big funder of of Trump's election campaign.

So it seems that many big companies hedge their bets on elections and both parties are as dodgy as F.
And just because influencers may be interesting to listen to they are not worth trusting.
Edit. But I do find those influencers very useful to find out what the news items of the day are.
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I personally dont understand how people listen to most of these people. Out of all of them, I listen to Joe Rogan podcast and Tucker Carlson.

Alex Jones? That guy is a huge grifter and super annoying to listen to. Ya I get it, he's been right about some things but not my cup of tea. The Sandy Hook thing was disgraceful tbh.

Steven Crowder? Too aggressive and antagonizing and also a huge grifter.

Don lemon? Totally insane and unhinged.

I dont mind if they need to sell supplements to support their show/family. As long as they arent ripping people off with fake stuff. I would prefer that over pushing drugs, alcohol and shitty food.

If you're an adult and deciding your views because of what another persons views are, you arent my type of person. You need to decide for yourselves and do your own research,. Just because CNN said it, doesnt make it true. Just because Fox said it, doesnt make it true. Just because you saw some ridiculous twitter clip, doesn't make it true.
 
mack341 said:
Is Kamala's media honeymoon blitz coming to an abrupt halt. She needs to announce her VP, and let them have the odd speech or two.

There's no covid excuse this time for ghost rallies and parking lot jobs, she needs to do packed houses with thousands of attendees.

All come to listen to her message and plan, or will she just be a not trump candidate, other than that an empty book.
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Here is the thing. The left base is going to vote left. The right base is going to vote right.

You aint changing parties.

It's the average non political person and centrists they need to sway.

After the damage the democrats have done, I see absolutely zero chance Kamala sways many to her side. People see her as the party of high fuel, groceries, illegal immigration issues, child gender crap, raging wars all over, an aggressive and rich Iran.... plus she has a pretty terrible history.

Whether you likeor dislike Trump or his rhetoric, when it comes down to it the USA was in a much much better place under him and I think the average person knows this and will vote that way.
 
We still doing the dictator thing, eh :laugh:

It was clearly metaphorical and easy pickings for those that like to take their enemies' words hilariously out of context, arms flailing wildly and eyes darting all over the shop.

'Admiring' the ruthless efficiency of getting things done in haste is what Trump's referring to, not creating a Fourth Reich, as much as his detractors would love him to.

But of course if Trump was to say he'd be "ruthless.....but just for one day!" we'd only hear the same selective outrage, same as 'severe' or 'unsparing'. The Dictator articles won't be written fast enough however he conveys the message.

Fact is showing 'strength' to the likes of Putin, Kim Jong Un and XI Jinping is the only language they respect and understand, without even needing to use military deployment. It yields greater comprehension than a puppet statesman subjected to elderly abuse for four years and prone to chewing his own ears!

I'd imagine if Trump were to assume the mantle he'd waste next to no time implementing sweeping changes, the likes of which would make him seem like a 'dictator' to the extreme-Left. But just for one day :D
 
lockinlove said:
I personally dont understand how people listen to most of these people. Out of all of them, I listen to Joe Rogan podcast and Tucker Carlson.

Alex Jones? That guy is a huge grifter and super annoying to listen to. Ya I get it, he's been right about some things but not my cup of tea. The Sandy Hook thing was disgraceful tbh.

Steven Crowder? Too aggressive and antagonizing and also a huge grifter.

Don lemon? Totally insane and unhinged.

I dont mind if they need to sell supplements to support their show/family. As long as they arent ripping people off with fake stuff. I would prefer that over pushing drugs, alcohol and shitty food.

If you're an adult and deciding your views because of what another persons views are, you arent my type of person. You need to decide for yourselves and do your own research,. Just because CNN said it, doesnt make it true. Just because Fox said it, doesnt make it true. Just because you saw some ridiculous twitter clip, doesn't make it true.
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Your spot on. Its not healthy to just absorb everything from one side and dismiss the middle ground and other side. But there a very few who are not prepared to compromise for financial gain.
Lemon's attemp at defending his previous utterances is absolute cringe.

* Note to self- Look up who Crowder is.
 
The left are a bit short of personalities on social media they can follow, it's very thin gruel, basically some remainer nutters and these two below.

After that it's msm journos and politicians, where is the left's version of joe rogan with a million subscribers, maybe they exist but I just haven't heard of them 🤔


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goatwack said:
Quite the showing at Trump's Minnesota rally, just off the back of his Bitcoin pit-stop around six hours earlier! His energy levels and sheer drive are somethin' I tell ya, it'd put men 30 years younger to shame!

Probably his best since the North Carolina one, and following on from the 'least best' one just hours earlier in Nashville, give or take!

Noticeable was the arena being packed to the rafters, whilst an estimated 25,000 people toiled in the heat and humidity outside!....many seemingly first-time attendees too. Looks like Minnesota could turn on a dime, it'll be interesting to see if that does indeed happen.

As much as I'd like to see Kamala Harris' press on with her campaign, the dawdling and delaying her official running as a nominee may be what's in play here, as it would be fascinating to see her newly crafted PR image to counter Trump.

Sadly, as of yet, only real alleged electioneering I've seen her do recently is rally at a nursing home in Philadelphia to 68 of its residents!
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We must have seen footage of a different rally, because what I saw was his nasty personal attacks on Harris playing very badly with his audience, who often remained silent, the people behind him often looked visibly bored, and quite a large number of people left before he'd even finished his meandering nonsense.

He's still going on about Biden, he's still going on about Hunter Biden's laptop, the crowd didn't give a single shit. If this is all he's got for the next four months, he's in trouble.

And then he finished it all with slurring that sounds like a pissed old bloke at the pub finishing off his standard issue rant.

Anyway, here's a link with loads of actual footage from the actual rally.

 
ChopleyIOM said:
We must have seen footage of a different rally, because what I saw was his nasty personal attacks on Harris playing very badly with his audience, who often remained silent, the people behind him often looked visibly bored, and quite a large number of people left before he'd even finished his meandering nonsense.

He's still going on about Biden, he's still going on about Hunter Biden's laptop, the crowd didn't give a single shit. If this is all he's got for the next four months, he's in trouble.

And then he finished it all with slurring that sounds like a pissed old bloke at the pub finishing off his standard issue rant.

Anyway, here's a link with loads of actual footage from the actual rally.

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Errm nope!

Unlike you I'd actually watched it, and the crowd were loving it!

(unlike you who can only form opinions based off what other people say on Twitter) :laugh:

Please try harder :thumbsup:
 
goatwack said:
Errm nope!

Unlike you I'd actually watched it, and the crowd were loving it!

(unlike you who can only form opinions based off what other people say on Twitter) :laugh:

Please try harder :thumbsup:
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Like with the recent UK general election, we'll get our ultimate answer from the ballot box in November. (And we all know how the UK election finished up, i.e. most agreeably.)

The US presidential election is certainly going to be a lot closer, but if I were having a guess at this stage of events, I'd say Trump's going to run out of road on this one.
 
ChopleyIOM said:
Like with the recent UK general election, we'll get our ultimate answer from the ballot box in November. (And we all know how the UK election finished up, i.e. most agreeably.)

The US presidential election is certainly going to be a lot closer, but if I were having a guess at this stage of events, I'd say Trump's going to run out of road on this one.
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He may run out of road, but at least he's on the road!

I've yet to see anything from Kamala, and as I've stated, I'll happily watch her speeches too. The Kamala we all know may present herself completely differently and mark the end of Trump's campaign.

After all, it's useful to learn about people :D
 
goatwack said:
He may run out of road, but at least he's on the road!

I've yet to see anything from Kamala, and as I've stated, I'll happily watch her speeches too. The Kamala we all know may present herself completely differently and mark the end of Trump's campaign.

After all, it's useful to learn about people :D
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It is indeed, alas watching Trump's speeches (and I have sat through entire speeches of his in the past) does not really tend to advance one's knowledge of the man beyond that which is already well known, namely that he's a malignant, dangerous, narcissistic sociopath.

If there's anything in his speech of last night that's particularly worth paying attention to then by all means please do point it out and I'll watch it, but what I've seen thus far is the same old repetition and rehashes of all his usual shtick.

Now in fairness campaign speeches are generally repeats of the same stuff because you're basically delivering the same message to different crowds, which is why there's an element of 'seen one seen 'em all', and that's why I find interview situations far more informative and instructional. (Including with Trump.)
 
ChopleyIOM said:
It is indeed, alas watching Trump's speeches (and I have sat through entire speeches of his in the past) does not really tend to advance one's knowledge of the man beyond that which is already well known, namely that he's a malignant, dangerous, narcissistic sociopath.

If there's anything in his speech of last night that's particularly worth paying attention to then by all means please do point it out and I'll watch it, but what I've seen thus far is the same old repetition and rehashes of all his usual shtick.

Now in fairness campaign speeches are generally repeats of the same stuff because you're basically delivering the same message to different crowds, which is why there's an element of 'seen one seen 'em all', and that's why I find interview situations far more informative and instructional. (Including with Trump.)
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I see he's been downgraded from deeply dangerous 🧐

You've summed him up in 4 words, can you do the same for Kamala? Or are we just stuck in 'she's the anti-trump candidate, woohoo!'
 
mack341 said:
I see he's been downgraded from deeply dangerous 🧐

You've summed him up in 4 words, can you do the same for Kamala? Or are we just stuck in 'she's the anti-trump candidate, woohoo!'
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'Next President Of America'
 
ChopleyIOM said:
It is indeed, alas watching Trump's speeches (and I have sat through entire speeches of his in the past) does not really tend to advance one's knowledge of the man beyond that which is already well known, namely that he's a malignant, dangerous, narcissistic sociopath.

If there's anything in his speech of last night that's particularly worth paying attention to then by all means please do point it out and I'll watch it, but what I've seen thus far is the same old repetition and rehashes of all his usual shtick.

Now in fairness campaign speeches are generally repeats of the same stuff because you're basically delivering the same message to different crowds, which is why there's an element of 'seen one seen 'em all', and that's why I find interview situations far more informative and instructional. (Including with Trump.)
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I suggest watch them, or don't!

I suspect there's nothing from Trump that you'd not find fault with, and that's fine too - many are of the same opinion!

Yet by the same token, the same could be said of Harris...those predisposed to dismiss her out of hand based on her terrible political performances and past mistakes, could just as easily not see what she has to say. Case closed, no more rallies from anyone, no more speeches right?

She'll reinvent herself and not be anything resembling Kamala of times prior, as her record doesn't hold up to scrutiny. And if we're going based on her public image, she rankles with many Americans too no doubt. Trump's not going to overhaul his PR, as there's nothing that can be changed, whereas Harris will most definitely rebrand.

There's always something new to observe at these rallies, and really not repeats of the same old stuff. I think that's the whole point of a 'campaign', especially when curveballs come flyin' :cool:
 
Thats why arguing with folks like that is a waste of time. Trump could create world peace and these lunatics would complain it's too quiet and Trump ruined their life.

Ive been sitting outside enjoying the birds on this Sunday. Very peachful and relaxing as no birds are telling me to change my sex..although I did hear "caww caww" and I was like did that bird just tell me I need to have a cawk :o :o
 
mack341 said:
Is Kamala's media honeymoon blitz coming to an abrupt halt. She needs to announce her VP, and let them have the odd speech or two.

There's no covid excuse this time for ghost rallies and parking lot jobs, she needs to do packed houses with thousands of attendees.

All come to listen to her message and plan, or will she just be a not trump candidate, other than that an empty book.
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I suspect that'll happen closer to the DNC. Isn't that usually the case for a "new" candidate?
 
goatwack said:
Errm nope!

Unlike you I'd actually watched it, and the crowd were loving it!

(unlike you who can only form opinions based off what other people say on Twitter) :laugh:

Please try harder :thumbsup:
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I've watched a lot of his rally's in 2016 and 2020. I've watched a couple this year and they're still exactly the same as back then, just with less energy from both him and the crowds 🤷‍♂️
 
sufferinsilence said:
I've watched a lot of his rally's in 2016 and 2020. I've watched a couple this year and they're still exactly the same as back then, just with less energy from both him and the crowds 🤷‍♂️
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It's a different zeitgeist and climate, and he's eight years older - 2016 actually had a tangible sense of the unknown and so that created a buzz all of itself.

This 'era' is more steeped in fear and reversing the damage of the Biden administration. It was high-energy and people were hyped, sorry to say!

Though in fairness, his Bitcoin conference was somewhat below his usual magnificent standards, more like an 8.5 out of 10 :p

Still, don't rule out Trump running in 2028, the crowd's like putty in his hand!
 
goatwack said:
It's a different zeitgeist and climate, and he's eight years older - 2016 actually had a tangible sense of the unknown and so that created a buzz all of itself.

This 'era' is more steeped in fear and reversing the damage of the Biden administration. It was high-energy and people were hyped, sorry to say!

Though in fairness, his Bitcoin conference was somewhat below his usual magnificent standards, more like an 8.5 out of 10 :p

Still, don't rule out Trump running in 2028, the crowd's like putty in his hand!
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Look at him with buzzwords like zeitgeist and climate.
 
mack341 said:
I dunno, when's that?

Back in the day, Bill Clinton seemed to be joined at the hip to Al Gore, earlier you make these decisions the better I would've thought, build the sense of a ticket combo.
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In 3 weeks.

But I might be chatting shit, I can't really remember when Biden announced Harris or Trump Pence etc. Trump announced Vance only a couple of days before the RNC this year.
 
goatwack said:
It's a different zeitgeist and climate, and he's eight years older - 2016 actually had a tangible sense of the unknown and so that created a buzz all of itself.

This 'era' is more steeped in fear and reversing the damage of the Biden administration. It was high-energy and people were hyped, sorry to say!

Though in fairness, his Bitcoin conference was somewhat below his usual magnificent standards, more like an 8.5 out of 10 :p

Still, don't rule out Trump running in 2028, the crowd's like putty in his hand!
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To be fair they where probably too busy looking around trying to avoid getting a bullet hole through the middle of their bitcoin to get too hyped up.
And probably a more discerning crowd than your average Trump or Harris attendance.
 
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sufferinsilence said:
Look at him with buzzwords like zeitgeist and climate.
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A simple forum search of the word zeitgeist brings up 8 pages of posts attributed to Goats forum posts which brings it as a close rival to the word "The" as the most common word used.
 
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goatwack said:
Generally, VPs' terms are fairly unmemorable and unremarkable, this lot will be no different.

Only one that was a lil' bit infamous would be Sarah Palin, who courted more attention than McCain himself!
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I recall that I had no clue who was a VP until I had kids and started complaining about how much tax I was paying.
I do remember todays deputy in the UK because she vaguely looks as if she would have been quite shaggable in her younger years.
 
lockinlove said:
I personally dont understand how people listen to most of these people. Out of all of them, I listen to Joe Rogan podcast and Tucker Carlson.

Alex Jones? That guy is a huge grifter and super annoying to listen to. Ya I get it, he's been right about some things but not my cup of tea. The Sandy Hook thing was disgraceful tbh.

Steven Crowder? Too aggressive and antagonizing and also a huge grifter.

Don lemon? Totally insane and unhinged.

I dont mind if they need to sell supplements to support their show/family. As long as they arent ripping people off with fake stuff. I would prefer that over pushing drugs, alcohol and shitty food.

If you're an adult and deciding your views because of what another persons views are, you arent my type of person. You need to decide for yourselves and do your own research,. Just because CNN said it, doesnt make it true. Just because Fox said it, doesnt make it true. Just because you saw some ridiculous twitter clip, doesn't make it true.
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I do have an issue with those that are happy to push stuff for financial gain when they know that their viewers are getting ripped off. In fact it boils my blood. Look at those who typically own and run those rip off companies.
It is quite noticeable those who refuse to allow rip off adverts from those who allow to. Those advertising garden seeds are different to those pushing med kits that cost a fortune owned by big pharma.
 
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Kroffe said:
Is this sort of thing somewhat unique to USA?
I mean people getting that involved with politics, making who they vote for such a big part of their identity, posting signs on their lawns, bumper stickers etc.

You see any Ready-4-Rishi bumper stickers over in the UK?
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Only signage saying "knock on my door and I will send you to meet your ancestors next" around my way
 
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It most definitely isn't something Brits go on about at length, certainly not with outward displays of tribal allegiances.

It's very much not a thing you see here, like someone putting up a party logo in their backyard with the Union Flag next to it :eek:

Perhaps in more rural swathes of the country, but not inner-city 🫶
 


The disgusting criminal dictator is showing is true colours now. "COMPLETE IMMUNITY" Seriously, so that means cops will be able to kill when ever they want without any reprocussions........

USA Wake up and DO NOT vote for that fucking dictator in the making crimnal scumbag!
 
Make Britain Great Again.

Repeated loudly enough: Gonna bring back jobs and factories in towns and villages decimated by the Thatcher years of union busting like they did with the miners.
Is a 1 sentence vote winner..
Whether the person saying it has a criminal record or not..
Would they get in? Would they do it? Who knows?
I presume that's why Trump get's votes.
 
DreamRJ said:


The disgusting criminal dictator is showing is true colours now. "COMPLETE IMMUNITY" Seriously, so that means cops will be able to kill when ever they want without any reprocussions........

USA Wake up and DO NOT vote for that fucking dictator in the making crimnal scumbag!
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He won't have the power to do this, it's a state matter in the main.

But the police have to have a certain amount of protection or backing just in order to do a difficult job.

I think there's an ongoing case in the uk, which at one point caused all the armed met police to hand in their guns (like a strike).

It's very difficult to make a judgement call, when someone is sat in a blacked out car who's had a firearms offence record, and you have to make a split second decision.

And then the govt prosecutes you for manslaughter, who's going to want to do that tough policing job now?

I suspect it's the same in america, pencil pushers going after cops when they didn't before, like they are the enemy.

It becomes a new part of the 'personal injury' landscape as well, that officer used too much force to restrain you, my client wants compo.
I doubt it's all about lethal force cases.
 
amandajm said:
Make Britain Great Again.

Repeated loudly enough: Gonna bring back jobs and factories in towns and villages decimated by the Thatcher years of union busting like they did with the miners.
Is a 1 sentence vote winner..
Whether the person saying it has a criminal record or not..
Would they get in? Would they do it? Who knows?
I presume that's why Trump get's votes.
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I think Tommy Robinson has adopted MEGA - Make England Great Again, so there's always that :laugh:

Don't think he'll end up in politics, but probably fancies himself as a political figure!
 
DreamRJ said:


The disgusting criminal dictator is showing is true colours now. "COMPLETE IMMUNITY" Seriously, so that means cops will be able to kill when ever they want without any reprocussions........

USA Wake up and DO NOT vote for that fucking dictator in the making crimnal scumbag!
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OK, you don't like the bloke, but please keep the ranting within the boundaries of respectability.

Thanks.
 
dunover said:
OK, you don't like the bloke, but please keep the ranting within the boundaries of respectability.

Thanks.
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In fairness to DreamRJ, Trump:

1) Is a convicted felon
2) Has said multiple times he wants to be a dictator (for a day)
3) Was found liable by a jury of having committed sexual abuse

So calling him a 'dictator in the making criminal scumbag' is, more than anything, just facts.
 

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