US political crisis

[pinnit2014]

Reminded of this from what seems a lifetime ago the other day. It's all taken a bit of a sour turn in recent years

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[pinnit2014]

London Live

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Day of Freedom - thought this was in Scotland for a moment

 

[goatwack]

I just get this:

The MSM and Musk don't want Scotland to have freedom!!

 

[justdoit]

I just get this:

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The MSM and Musk don't want Scotland to have freedom!!

 

[pinnit2014]

It's the Deep Fried State hard at work

 

[mack341]

The situation where catholic and conservative areas must allow abortion clinics to set up locally, have no rights to object, doesn't seem right and democratic.

Democracy is rule by the common people, the majority, not what each individual wants or feels is their right. Why can't I buy and take hard drugs for example, it's my brain and body, but there are laws against it.

(And the US state system is not the same as English counties.)

I think the fuss abt Roe being overturned has very much dissipated, it was always a hardline liberal dream. Communist russia was extremely pro abortion, look it up.

 

[goatwack]

The person with the St. George, Israel and Ukraine flag skewer is so getting 350 Twitter points for that gesture.

....that is, until Twitter turns on them, asking why the English flag is at the top and somehow ranked higher than the others, the filthy bigot!

 

[goatwack]

Oh God, they've gone too far with the Neil Diamond now

 

[mack341]

I think this is the event or demo that Tommy Robinson or the Fox guy invited Nigel to attend, make a sort of political alliance with reform.

But don't think he's there, however pant wetters will still claim Farage is the rebirth of fascism in a tweed coat and cap.

And is very keen to install a fascist dictatorship alongside Trump.

 

[goatwack]

Some pretty gnarly and divisive antics on display. It'll lead to inevitable clashes with the riot gear-clad police further down the line.

At one point I even saw a woman who looked like Madge from Benidorm antagonistically wave a mini flag whilst swaying to the band!

 

[justdoit]

no one has balıklava on, I guess they have nothing to hide

 

[pinnit2014]

Not touching the abortion argument with a barge pole, bit heavy for a Saturday but there was a short film about R v W, probably heard of but worth a watch (or not!)

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[mack341]

One of my old GPs used to pin up a notice on his door, please do not ask me to arrange an appointment to abortion services, something like that, I used to think wow he must be a strong catholic, never seen a gp do this before or since.

But he was a very good doctor, stupid to say he was anti women's rights or anti democratic, it's a more complicated issue than liberal materialists would have everyone believe.

Some states in the US allowed abortions at any stage, others up to viability which is around 24 wks, similar to uk.

So how does messrs Chopley et al combine that with their democracy and women's rights/autonomy as arguments?

There was already a range of possibilities, all that has now been included is the non, to fit local majority viewpoints.

 

[pinnit2014]

I do think though there's a hint of hypocrisy is people who support the view of safe spaces for women, women's rights (JK) but then support the revocation R v W but that might just be the centrist in me

I wouldn't call it liberal idealism tbh and the fact mainly men rowing into abortion arguments is a little bit meh.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The situation where catholic and conservative areas must allow abortion clinics to set up locally, have no rights to object, doesn't seem right and democratic.

Democracy is rule by the common people, the majority, not what each individual wants or feels is their right. Why can't I buy and take hard drugs for example, it's my brain and body, but there are laws against it.

(And the US state system is not the same as English counties.)

I think the fuss abt Roe being overturned has very much dissipated, it was always a hardline liberal dream. Communist russia was extremely pro abortion, look it up.

A 'hardline liberal dream' to enshrine in law a woman's right to choose for herself if she has to carry a baby to term or not? To have control over her own body? Really?

Such fundamental rights should not be subject to the whims of local activism or religious fervor, or a state by state lottery as to where a woman gets pregnant that determines if she has the right to choose or not. That's why the case went to the Supreme Court in the first place with Roe Vs Wade and it's why the US Government drew a line in the sand and said, 'These are the rights a woman has over her own body'.

All I can say is I truly hope that nonsense like this (a 'hardline liberal dream') is what keeps Trump out of the White House come November, a bunch of old men trying to decide what women can and can't do to look after themselves and their bodies.

 

[pinnit2014]

It can be quite a nuanced argument, taking terms into consideration as GW said, but the idea it's a liberal dream to ban abortion is nonsensical.

The same people, who are pandering bollocks that Trans people are suddenly running amok and wanting to rape women in toilets, are then in favour of curtailing choice is a hypocrisy than, frankly, i can't get my head around.

 

[amandajm]

Trans or not,

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, is a huge subject.

It has been

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by all the usual subjects on both sides.

Genuine trans won't want to rape. Rapists will though. Will they pretend to be trans to do so?

 

[pinnit2014]

Trans or not,

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, is a huge subject.

It has been

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by all the usual subjects on both sides.

Genuine trans won't want to rape. Rapists will though. Will they pretend to be trans to do so?

Does a rapist need to go Trans to fulfil their fantasies? I'd presume that's what they are and that's what they'll be so hence why i've never subscribed to the view. At the end of the day, and the stats are there for all to view. -the greatest threat to women, if you take that prism, are males born with them. So maybe focus on them and their behaviours and not manufactured bogeyman.

 

[mack341]

I do think though there's a hint of hypocrisy is people who support the view of safe spaces for women, women's rights (JK) but then support the revocation R v W but that might just be the centrist in me

I wouldn't call it liberal idealism tbh and the fact mainly men rowing into abortion arguments is a little bit meh.

Well Chopley brought it up, the last thing on my Saturday to do list was roe vs wade debates

 

[pinnit2014]

Well Chopley brought it up, the last thing on my Saturday to do list was roe vs wade debates

I know man, more concerned with my 10 free spins in VS on 10p

 

[pinnit2014]

Well Chopley brought it up, the last thing on my Saturday to do list was roe vs wade debates

To row in on the roe debate....

ok, i'll leave now

 

[mack341]

A 'hardline liberal dream' to enshrine in law a woman's right to choose for herself if she has to carry a baby to term or not? To have control over her own body? Really?

Such fundamental rights should not be subject to the whims of local activism or religious fervor, or a state by state lottery as to where a woman gets pregnant that determines if she has the right to choose or not. That's why the case went to the Supreme Court in the first place with Roe Vs Wade and it's why the US Government drew a line in the sand and said, 'These are the rights a woman has over her own body'.

All I can say is I truly hope that nonsense like this (a 'hardline liberal dream') is what keeps Trump out of the White House come November, a bunch of old men trying to decide what women can and can't do to look after themselves and their bodies.

She has control over the whole inception process, if not it's rape.

The liberal dream is to impose their extreme positions on everyone else, exactly what's been happening with the tranny stuff.

Then hide behind emotional blather about rights, ignoring the dark side to all these things.

There was a case of a US gay couple, who adopted two young boys (another new right brought in due to equality bla bla bla) and then abused and pimped them out to others, it's not isolated either, but who gives a damn because of equality and 'fundamental' rights are more important than anything else.

You've also ignored my other point about some states allowing any stage abortion vs more restricted practice, which of these fits your woman's body argument, if the former you cannot have been happy with the status quo?

 

[amandajm]

Does a rapist need to go Trans to fulfil their fantasies?

I'd say not. I can't read it

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though.

I've seen some barnstorming debates between women arguing these type of points.

 

[goatwack]

Not sure how this ended up as a trans debate, but as far as I can see it's not about depriving trans rights, but the abuse of women's spaces, to allow any man to access those by donning a wig and claiming to be a 'woman'.

Who poses a threat? Is it immediately noticeable? Are they pre-op or post-op? How is someone able to tell it's not someone with nefarious intent?

All valid questions, but apparently of no great concern to women, they can just lump it!

Of course having their own spaces is just a terrible solution, and the sexual assaults carried out by some of these womanface predators to be completely ignored, right?

 

[pinnit2014]

To be fair, i think there was a tacit alignment to the previous abortion debate of women's rights - this is the issue, there's so many rabbit holes everyone can go down than no one is a winner

I don't think it's necessarily about the concept of women only spaces but more the insinuation that non spaces invoke more assaults - i was in Manchester at the time when there was 'dual' bathrooms in places and AFAIK, there were no issues raised (granted, differences in the concept) With the so-called culture wars, it's suddenly an issue. Anyone would think there's therefore an issue

Like i said, this is a very dangerous subject- even now i'm questioning what i've previously thought/said

 

[lockinlove]

I wish I had the time to sit in here and correct the ones who post silly little clips and make silly little comments without watching the prior part of the speech for context.

He is speaking to Christians who threatened not to go out and vote because he isnt strong enough on abortions and they dont usually vote to the right. He's asking them to vote just this one time and after that time, the country and laws will be fixed (in place) so then they dont have to go out and vote.

He then addresses voter fraud that he would fix the system.

Sadly for Trump he hasnt learned his lesson he needs to be very careful what he says and how he says it because the democrats just do this crap and then spread it around twitter and believe it or not, some people actually fall for it.

 

[pinnit2014]

Why are you always so angry?

It was simply a post to remember that, not all the times, politics need not be so venomous and, you know, sometimes politicians can act with decorum.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Context btw, isn't needed for some things

 

[goatwack]

To be fair, i think there was a tacit alignment to the previous abortion debate of women's rights - this is the issue, there's so many rabbit holes everyone can go down than no one is a winner

I don't think it's necessarily about the concept of women only spaces but more the insinuation that non spaces invoke more assaults - i was in Manchester at the time when there was 'dual' bathrooms in places and AFAIK, there were no issues raised (granted, differences in the concept) With the so-called culture wars, it's suddenly an issue. Anyone would think there's therefore an issue

Like i said, this is a very dangerous subject- even now i'm questioning what i've previously thought/said

I know what you mean

 

[lockinlove]

No idea what you are on about but anyways. Im responding to the person going off in here calling Trump a dictator and his goal is to destroy democracy ..with the video clip he posted where Trump said in 4 years you dont have to worry about voting.

Context is needed since his comments are being taken the wrong way

 

[pinnit2014]

I know what you mean

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i find it best to hit both buttons and go: that's who I/them/he/she it/thing is today

 

[lockinlove]

I think that it is all political theatre. Both sides are just 2 cheeks of the same arse.

He was in office for 4 years and wasnt a dictator so I think we are good on that front.

 

[pinnit2014]

No idea what you are on about but anyways. Im responding to the person going off in here calling Trump a dictator and his goal is to destroy democracy ..with the video clip he posted where Trump said in 4 years you dont have to worry about voting.

Context is needed since his comments are being taken the wrong way

my bad, i was a bit sensitive and thought it was my McCain post but i take it back and allow u to flog me for a 1000 Trumps as punishment

 

[lockinlove]

Yeah. One of my sisters is lesbian and she tells me that a large % of her friends and the LGBTQ community are against the trend promoting child sexualisation, mutilation and displays in public. The olympics last night shows us how much of it is being pushed by our governments and the media. And judging by most peoples reactions on social media it seems that most people are getting really fed up of it

Yeah this is actually very true. Any gay people I know are completely against it. Of course, all people are different but Id say the majority of gays are not ok with this. It gives them a super bad image.

If I could pay to find out whose agenda this is, I would pay for it. Some say it's China or Russia trying to destroy from within, some say some high level politicians who are pedophiles. Who knows but Id love to know why the media and some democratic politicians push so heavily with it.

 

[lockinlove]

my bad, i was a bit sensitive and thought it was my McCain post but i take it back and allow u to flog me for a 1000 Trumps as punishment

Its ok but I actually wasnt angry for once so I was a bit offended because im having a tea and sitting on a balcony hearing birds chirping.

Dont do it again or else.

 

[lockinlove]

I hope old harrybkk is reading and enjoying this thread, seeing me reappear as a Trump defender

Just hope there's no smashed keyboards or screens going on out there, better still perhaps a 'new' member with a strong interest in US politics might yet turn up...

I thought for a bit Harry was in here under another name but the person isnt quite as aggressive so I dont think so.

I stayed out of these threads since the NK thread because you get drawn in and feel the need to clarify some things where people are posting completely bias and false clips. Sadly I had about 30 minutes at work of nothing to do as my sytems were down. So started reading this. And well here I am

So no way could Harry just read this without commenting. It draws you in like a hooker on for half price around Christmas time. (not that Im into hookers but this is mostly a male thread so they get my point. Right guys!)

 

[Kroffe]

Why do people want to be included in already existing spaces, id rather create my own space and exclude as many as possible.
Id love some Kroffe-only toilets, and before you start getting any ideas its not enough to identify as a Kroffe, you have to be born a Kroffe or the bouncer wont let you in.

 

[pinnit2014]

Its ok but I actually wasnt angry for once so I was a bit offended because im having a tea and sitting on a balcony hearing birds chirping.

Dont do it again or else.

Why did that threat make go mmm

It's ok, i wont, i reckon you'd knock me out anyway

 

[pinnit2014]

Why do people want to be included in already existing spaces, id rather create my own space and exclude as many as possible.
Id love some Kroffe-only toilets, and before you start getting any ideas its not enough to identify as a Kroffe, you have to be born a Kroffe or the bouncer wont let you in.

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Where's the twinks?

 

[Kroffe]

Where's the twinks?

Not in the Kroffe only toilet, only bears allowed.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yeah this is actually very true. Any gay people I know are completely against it. Of course, all people are different but Id say the majority of gays are not ok with this. It gives them a super bad image.

If I could pay to find out whose agenda this is, I would pay for it. Some say it's China or Russia trying to destroy from within, some say some high level politicians who are pedophiles. Who knows but Id love to know why the media and some democratic politicians push so heavily with it.

There is one belief that a directive and financial incentives where issued by WEF,UN,and WHO that goes all the way down through the likes of Blackrock and the Bill & Mallinda Gates Org who are main members and funders of those orgs,to their satelite companies such as Walmart,Disney,Hollywood, Coka Cola,Beer companies and the likes of Unilever ( Who offered me a very lucrative position many years ago) as well as the media.
They use financial incentives to push certain agendas such as the LGBQ thing via adverts and programming, articles and employing folk from those groups.
Their idea is a progression on from promoting women going back to work after having a young family and the idea was to increase government income via taxes as well as selling more products. Then it moved to promoting promescuity in women.
The promotion of LBGT agendas is to erode the nuclear family values. Alongside immigration it erodes the fabric of societies globally which creates the space for them to introduce fundimental changes to the world such as cashless societies,15 minute cities and a one world government.
The erosion of the family unite aids their aim to reduce world population because with the introduction of AI and robots most people will not be needed and be too costly to keep.
If we look at it most first world governments around the world are in lockstep with many world views and the only ones that are not seem to be targeted as enemies of the world.
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Edit. This requires governments being infiltrated by members of the likes of the WEF to push these agendas.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

There is one belief that a directive and financial incentives where issued by WEF,UN,and WHO that goes all the way down through the likes of Blackrock and the Bill & Mallinda Gates Org who are main members and funders of those orgs,to their satelite companies such as Walmart,Disney,Hollywood, Coka Cola,Beer companies and the likes of Unilever ( Who offered me a very lucrative position many years ago) as well as the media.
They use financial incentives to push certain agendas such as the LGBQ thing via adverts and programming, articles and employing folk from those groups.
Their idea is a progression on from promoting women going back to work after having a young family and the idea was to increase government income via taxes as well as selling more products. Then it moved to promoting promescuity in women.
The promotion of LBGT agendas is to erode the nuclear family values. Alongside immigration it erodes the fabric of societies globally which creates the space for them to introduce fundimental changes to the world such as cashless societies,15 minute cities and a one world government.
The erosion of the family unite aids their aim to reduce world population because with the introduction of AI and robots most people will not be needed and be too costly to keep.
If we look at it most first world governments around the world are in lockstep with many world views and the only ones that are not seem to be targeted as enemies of the world.
I don't do paypal
Edit. This requires governments being infiltrated by members of the likes of the WEF to push these agendas.

That's a full house on my conspiracy theory buzzword bingo card!

 

[geordiecolin]

That's a full house on my conspiracy theory buzzword bingo card!

I added them including a convicted child rapist at these rainbow games to push them closer to adding peados to the rainbow flag to my bingo card

 

[sufferinsilence]

Been a day on here apparently.

Didn't you know the Olympics are on?!

 

[goatwack]

Just a fleeting interest really, given the inevitable U.S/ China medal hoarding.

U.S = meh

UK = meh

France = meh


Iran finishing ahead of Iraq with two Bronze =

 

[sufferinsilence]

Just a fleeting interest really, given the inevitable U.S/ China medal hoarding.

U.S = meh

UK = meh

France = meh


Iran finishing ahead of Iraq with two Bronze =

Actually Gracenote expects Iran to get 4 gold medals and 11 in total. Iraq who?

 

[pinnit2014]

There is one belief that a directive and financial incentives where issued by WEF,UN,and WHO that goes all the way down through the likes of Blackrock and the Bill & Mallinda Gates Org who are main members and funders of those orgs,to their satelite companies such as Walmart,Disney,Hollywood, Coka Cola,Beer companies and the likes of Unilever ( Who offered me a very lucrative position many years ago) as well as the media.
They use financial incentives to push certain agendas such as the LGBQ thing via adverts and programming, articles and employing folk from those groups.
Their idea is a progression on from promoting women going back to work after having a young family and the idea was to increase government income via taxes as well as selling more products. Then it moved to promoting promescuity in women.
The promotion of LBGT agendas is to erode the nuclear family values. Alongside immigration it erodes the fabric of societies globally which creates the space for them to introduce fundimental changes to the world such as cashless societies,15 minute cities and a one world government.
The erosion of the family unite aids their aim to reduce world population because with the introduction of AI and robots most people will not be needed and be too costly to keep.
If we look at it most first world governments around the world are in lockstep with many world views and the only ones that are not seem to be targeted as enemies of the world.
I don't do paypal
Edit. This requires governments being infiltrated by members of the likes of the WEF to push these agendas.

For the right wing to be so called independent of thought, all chime the same tune;
- WEF
- CV-19
- Infation/BoE
- Corrupting our kids!
- Gates and Nano!

All sing the same tune, yet all claim to be the arbiters of independent of thought when, in fact, it's all a bit sheepish

The Nuclear Family was eroded a long time ago.

 

[goatwack]

It's like Emos; they're all counter-culture and misunderstood, yet all wear white face powder and fishnet stockings

 

[dealer wins]

There is one belief that a directive and financial incentives where issued by WEF,UN,and WHO that goes all the way down through the likes of Blackrock and the Bill & Mallinda Gates Org who are main members and funders of those orgs,to their satelite companies such as Walmart,Disney,Hollywood, Coka Cola,Beer companies and the likes of Unilever ( Who offered me a very lucrative position many years ago) as well as the media.
They use financial incentives to push certain agendas such as the LGBQ thing via adverts and programming, articles and employing folk from those groups.
Their idea is a progression on from promoting women going back to work after having a young family and the idea was to increase government income via taxes as well as selling more products. Then it moved to promoting promescuity in women.
The promotion of LBGT agendas is to erode the nuclear family values. Alongside immigration it erodes the fabric of societies globally which creates the space for them to introduce fundimental changes to the world such as cashless societies,15 minute cities and a one world government.
The erosion of the family unite aids their aim to reduce world population because with the introduction of AI and robots most people will not be needed and be too costly to keep.
If we look at it most first world governments around the world are in lockstep with many world views and the only ones that are not seem to be targeted as enemies of the world.
I don't do paypal
Edit. This requires governments being infiltrated by members of the likes of the WEF to push these agendas.

Exactly this!

Thankfully their 1st real push to a tyrannical world of vaccinated only digital QR code controlled society failed.

They will be back for round 2, as biometric ID and full control is their no1 goal for all of humanity.

And it doesnt help that those covid jabbed are emitting bluetooth codes so already have some sort of advanced tech in their bodies!

 

[pinnit2014]

I prefer:

XOXO Gossip Girl

 

[pinnit2014]

Exactly this!

Thankfully their 1st real push to a tyrannical world of vaccinated only digital QR code controlled society failed.

They will be back for round 2, as biometric ID and full control is their no1 goal for all of humanity.

And it doesnt help that those covid jabbed are emitting bluetooth codes so already have some sort of advanced tech in their bodies!

Do you honestly think people have bluetooth codes? I can't link my airpods to my phone so i find the idea my bio is is a bit off.

Biometric ID sounds ok to me - u pass, on u go, so roll on the good times If Bill achieves that he should probably be knighted