US political crisis

[mack341]

I think its weird trying to blame it on liberalism when conservatives do the exact same thing.
Its not like conservatives are strangers to telling people what they can and cannot do or say.
I would hate to be a woman living in a highly conservative&christian state/country.
Stay in the kitchen, produce babies, worship the lord, pray you dont accidentally get pregnant because you just know the lord needs you to give birth to that baby no matter what you want or if you will be able to care for it.
Amen.

Im not saying all the crazy stuff liberals come up with are good things, but neither is trying to backpedal society to the dark ages.
A mix is always best.

I know what you're saying, but I think these times are different because of the internet, it's changed the debating sphere for politics, and social media given most people a platform somewhere to voice their opinion.

Probably in sweden or elsewhere in europe, none of these things are much of a problem. It's when society breaks down more, like in parts of the US and to a lesser degree the UK, that politics and opinions become a lot more of a contentious area. Maybe I have a rosy view of european countries but they look like they have better levels of social order than the uk, perhaps with the exception of urban parts of france.

What happened in the US last year was mad, and you just need to watch a tv news type program/documentary from a few years back to see the deterioration in TV today, dumbed down and very partisan on issues. There was a better balance before, and everything is pushed in your face these days.

 

[Kroffe]

I know what you're saying, but I think these times are different because of the internet, it's changed the debating sphere for politics, and social media given most people a platform somewhere to voice their opinion.

Probably in sweden or elsewhere in europe, none of these things are much of a problem. It's when society breaks down more, like in parts of the US and to a lesser degree the UK, that politics and opinions become a lot more a contentious area. Maybe I have a rosy view of european countries but they look like they have better levels of social order than the uk, perhaps with the exception of urban parts of france.

What happened in the US last year was mad, and you just need to watch a tv news type program/documentary from a few years back to see the deterioration in TV today, dumbed down and very partisan on issues. There was better balance before, and everything is pushed in your face these days.

Thats what i mean with mix.
The parties in Usa is in my opinion so far apart that there could be a third party in the middle collecting votes from both sides.
When you only have 2 parties, it will get divisive.

Its also much to right leaning overall for my taste, but thats just personal preference.
What i mean is, Bernie wouldnt be the 'radical far left extremist' over here, he would just be 'left'
Even tho Biden is painted as a liberal extremist by the GOP, he is pretty right leaning/conservative as far as his politics go when you compare with politicians over here.

Speaking of tv being dumbed down, i thought this parody of history channel was pretty good. =)
I dont watch much tv these days, but i do remember there being alot of crap on history channel, ice truckers, mountain whatevers etc.
Streaming/downloading what you watch is a blessing. Also no commercials.

 

[ladyhawke]

I think its weird trying to blame it on liberalism when conservatives do the exact same thing.
Its not like conservatives are strangers to telling people what they can and cannot do or say.
I would hate to be a woman living in a highly conservative&christian state/country.
Stay in the kitchen, produce babies, worship the lord, pray you dont accidentally get pregnant because you just know the lord needs you to give birth to that baby no matter what you want or if you will be able to care for it.
Amen.

Im not saying all the crazy stuff liberals come up with are good things, but neither is trying to backpedal society to the dark ages.
A mix is always best.

Afghanistan has been a disaster from the start, when the West became involved - purportedly in response to the Twin Towers terrorist attack in 2001.

From George W. Bush, Barack Obama, to Donald Trump, much was promised on both sides, but when Joe Biden decided to complete the withdrawal of USA troops, what is now happening is truly terrifying.

Trump actually brought the Taliban to the table, and struck a deal. However, was it simply the posturings of a megalomaniac, or would the Taliban actually honour the deal is something that will never be known, as any discussion can only be pure speculation.

During the current offensive, the Taliban vowed to be "a more modern version of the old, oppressive outfit, with leaders speaking of education and employment opportunities for women, within the limits of Islam".

But exactly what are "the limits of Islam"? Personally, I believe Islam has remained firmly rooted in the stone age regarding their views on women and society, while most other religions, including Christianity, have evolved into the religions we are familiar with today.

Or have they? Many Evangelical Christians in the USA have started quoting passages from the Bible, which support the Islamic view of women, e.g.

Timothy 2:11-14
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man;
rather, she is to remain quiet.

Corinthians 14:33-35
Women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission,
as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a
woman to speak in church.

Violence and hatred and suspicion and denial appear to be the tenets driving the World today. Are we really regressing back to a past where honour and compassion and empathy and tolerance have no place?

I despair of what the World is turning into, with our apparent co-operation.

 

[Kroffe]

Afghanistan has been a disaster from the start, when the West became involved - purportedly in response to the Twin Towers terrorist attack in 2001.

From George W. Bush, Barack Obama, to Donald Trump, much was promised on both sides, but when Joe Biden decided to complete the withdrawal of USA troops, what is now happening is truly terrifying.

Trump actually brought the Taliban to the table, and struck a deal. However, was it simply the posturings of a megalomaniac, or would the Taliban actually honour the deal is something that will never be known, as any discussion can only be pure speculation.

During the current offensive, the Taliban vowed to be "a more modern version of the old, oppressive outfit, with leaders speaking of education and employment opportunities for women, within the limits of Islam".

But exactly what are "the limits of Islam"? Personally, I believe Islam has remained firmly rooted in the stone age regarding their views on women and society, while most other religions, including Christianity, have evolved into the religions we are familiar with today.

Or have they? Many Evangelical Christians in the USA have started quoting passages from the Bible, which support the Islamic view of women, e.g.

Timothy 2:11-14
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man;
rather, she is to remain quiet.

Corinthians 14:33-35
Women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission,
as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a
woman to speak in church.

Violence and hatred and suspicion and denial appear to be the tenets driving the World today. Are we really regressing back to a past where honour and compassion and empathy and tolerance have no place?

I despair of what the World is turning into, with our apparent co-operation.

I dont mind if people want to believe, or practice their religion of choice (and there is alot of choice)
But religion should not have any infulence on the rest of society whatsoever.
People just cherrypick things from their religion and try to impose them on others.

I think its weird, either you believe what your religion teaches and follow those teachings, or you dont believe it.
You cant just pick a couple things you think are neat and ignore the rest, that makes no sense.

Religion made much more sense a couple hundred years ago when people needed supernatural things to be real to explain things like lightning etc.

 

[geordiecolin]

Afghanistan has been a disaster from the start, when the West became involved - purportedly in response to the Twin Towers terrorist attack in 2001.

From George W. Bush, Barack Obama, to Donald Trump, much was promised on both sides, but when Joe Biden decided to complete the withdrawal of USA troops, what is now happening is truly terrifying.

Trump actually brought the Taliban to the table, and struck a deal. However, was it simply the posturings of a megalomaniac, or would the Taliban actually honour the deal is something that will never be known, as any discussion can only be pure speculation.

During the current offensive, the Taliban vowed to be "a more modern version of the old, oppressive outfit, with leaders speaking of education and employment opportunities for women, within the limits of Islam".

But exactly what are "the limits of Islam"? Personally, I believe Islam has remained firmly rooted in the stone age regarding their views on women and society, while most other religions, including Christianity, have evolved into the religions we are familiar with today.

Or have they? Many Evangelical Christians in the USA have started quoting passages from the Bible, which support the Islamic view of women, e.g.

Timothy 2:11-14
Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man;
rather, she is to remain quiet.

Corinthians 14:33-35
Women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission,
as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a
woman to speak in church.

Violence and hatred and suspicion and denial appear to be the tenets driving the World today. Are we really regressing back to a past where honour and compassion and empathy and tolerance have no place?

I despair of what the World is turning into, with our apparent co-operation.

A fascinating incite into how and why things went so wrong and why they should have never tried to change a basket case Country.

And as an aside I wonder if the poppy fields funded the whole operation with money to spare?

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[ladyhawke]

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Regarding some of the information referenced in the above link - there have been so many incidents of Afghani green-on-blue attacks, I am surprised the West was ever deluded enough to believe there could ever be a peaceful transition of power/power sharing to whoever convinced the West they were Afghanistan's best hope.

Regrettably, I don't believe the concept of honour exists in Afghanistan, and while describing it as a 'basket case Country' sounds very harsh, that description appears to be very apt.

 

[geordiecolin]

Regarding some of the information referenced in the above link - there have been so many incidents of Afghani green-on-blue attacks, I am surprised the West was ever deluded enough to believe there could ever be a peaceful transition of power/power sharing to whoever convinced the West they were Afghanistan's best hope.

Regrettably, I don't believe the concept of honour exists in Afghanistan, and while describing it as a 'basket case Country' sounds very harsh, that description appears to be very apt.

I read recently that the Taliban where considering removing the poppy fields and converting them into Pomegranate production because they have already made an agreement with financial incentives.
This confuses me no end. When the Taliban took over 20 years ago they halted poppy production. When America invaded there where widely publicized pictures of the army burning the poppy fields that where still growing yet the figures tell us that both before and after the brief Taliban rein poppy production was massive. So who gained most from the production from poppy production because obviously it was not the Taliban and the Taliban seem to have no interest in benefiting from poppy production in the future.

Incidentally American military complained that they had huge trouble with the Afghan soldiers they where training because so many where constantly off their faces with drugs.
I suspect that there is a hell of a lot we do not know about in regards to America and their allies pulling out. And I wonder if the Taliban are happy to see mass migration?

 

[ladyhawke]

And I wonder if the Taliban are happy to see mass migration?

I believe the Taliban are firmly of the belief that Afghani citizens should remain in Afghanistan, a reasoning which is behind the chaotic scenes along the roads leading to the airport, and at Kabul airport itself.

 

[geordiecolin]

I believe the Taliban are firmly of the belief that Afghani citizens should remain in Afghanistan, a reasoning which is behind the chaotic scenes along the roads leading to the airport, and at Kabul airport itself.

My guess is that the Taliban are keen to keep as many as possible of the citizens who where American assets in the Country for unspeakable reasons. Things seem to be changing fast because France and Germany are now pulling out by tomorrow and Russia who insisted that they where keeping their embassy open are now rushing to pull everyone out which is a very quick about turn.

 

[geordiecolin]

How can the world trust anything that Biden says? It is no longer about Biden and the Dem's using everything at their disposal,such as the media, to control his parties narrative but the world is watching his conduct unfolding during this Afghan crisis.
He struggles though reading autocue. He keeps lying. No Americans had problems getting to the airport. They did and still do. He said there where no Al Qaeda in Afghan and there is.He said he was not being criticized by foreign leader when he was. He said everyone will be brought out including their Afghan assets who assisted them in their work. It is now so obvious that so many will be abandoned.

Was it just a serious error of judgement or was this all by design? They left Billions worth of military equipment behind including state of the art databases which tell the Taliban every person who helped the Americans.
Does America ever let evens happen or do they not care about those who where assisting them?
And when will China invade Taiwan knowing how weak America is?

 

[gonzo fonso]

i heard this

How China may benefit from Afghanistan’s estimated $3 trillion mineral reserves following the Taliban takeover​

makes perfect sense,with cars going electric now they gonna need an awful lot of batteries,China really is a leading worldwide force

 

[ladyhawke]

[...] People just cherrypick things from their religion and try to impose them on others.

Common in most religions I'm afraid, from The Crusades to the Spanish invasion by the Moors to ISIS and beyond.

I think its weird, either you believe what your religion teaches and follow those teachings, or you dont believe it.

Again, common in most religions which are based on scriptures from millennium ago. However, is it healthy to blindly follow these teachings, or should not people begin to query obviously archaic doctrines, and expect their religion to broaden its horizons to be more compatible with the 21st century? These ancient texts actually preach a very distorted view of society, which may have been relevant back then, but have no place in modern society without some form of evolution.

You cant just pick a couple things you think are neat and ignore the rest, that makes no sense.

It makes sense if people are trying to drag religion into the 21st century. Regrettably though, that is not usually the case.

 

[paul7388]

Common in most religions I'm afraid, from The Crusades to the Spanish invasion by the Moors to ISIS and beyond.

Again, common in most religions which are based on scriptures from millennium ago. However, is it healthy to blindly follow these teachings, or should not people begin to query obviously archaic doctrines, and expect their religion to broaden its horizons to be more compatible with the 21st century? These ancient texts actually preach a very distorted view of society, which may have been relevant back then, but have no place in modern society without some form of evolution.

It makes sense if people are trying to drag religion into the 21st century. Regrettably though, that is not usually the case.

Personally i think as it is the 21st century is there any need for religion at all anymore.

 

[Kroffe]

which may have been relevant back then, but have no place in modern society without some form of evolution.

That will be not be easy, because you first have to get them to believe in evolution.

 

[ladyhawke]

Personally i think as it is the 21st century is there any need for religion at all anymore.

For many people, to deny religion is to deny the existence of a soul. Otherwise we are born and we die and everything in-between is essentially just a filler between those two events: with nothing meaningful in our life; with no reason to strive for anything that makes us worthy to finally meet our God.

And worse, no chance to ever be reunited again with our loved ones, friends, etc. The End really would be the End. Instead, religion appears to make sense of the meaning of life (cue the Monty Python jokes), death, spirituality etc.

But what religion actually does is remove from us the ability to understand why we take the paths we travel, the conscious choices we make, because religion offers complete absolution from any type of behaviour, no matter how abhorrent.

What a great get-out clause - if you are religious, you really can't lose, can you?

Unfortunately, science doesn't have all the answers people are searching for, so there will always be religion. Along with the tragic and occasionally horrific consequences that have befallen us from time immemorial.

Disclaimer: I have no religious leanings - more philosophical ramblings than anything I guess.

 

[geordiecolin]

Personally i think as it is the 21st century is there any need for religion at all anymore.

It seems to me that religions are no longer required in today's society. It is only the vast riches they possess that makes religions matter to the powers that be

 

[geordiecolin]

I'm not religious but I am praying for all of those still stuck in Afghanistan after the explosions outside of the airport and ongoing gunfire Images coming out as I type are horrific

 

[ladyhawke]

It seems to me that religions are no longer required in today's society. It is only the vast riches they possess that makes religions matter to the powers that be

I can only speak for Christianity, but the Church has made a fortune over the centuries from their followers, even in times of desperate poverty. The pervading stain of decadence and corruption persists today, to the point that I'm not sure the concept of Godliness even exists anymore.

As for religion no longer being required in today's society: Fear of the unknown is essentially the main impetus for people's unswerving loyalty to religion, as it provides a sense of comfort knowing there is an existence beyond the veil of death that rewards the faithful.

In itself, a very powerful reason for the continuing existence of all flavours of religion.

 

[mack341]

I wonder why a godless or creatorless universe of millions of planets without signs of life, gave birth to one with every kind, and a dominant animal through his ability to think, to the level of studying matter, creating space ships etc...it happened all by consecutive, random chance does seem very long odds to me.

But no doubt organised religion and its effects are a factor in continuing strife and bloodshed etc... However the communist movements who didn't believe in god also shed a lot of blood, so that problem is probably more to do with man and indiviidual misleaders of man, sociopaths who have no conscience, morality etc..

 

[dionysus]

I wonder why a godless or creatorless universe of millions of planets

a bit under the mark; there's possbly 100-400 billion stars in our own galaxy alone (with their own planets) and possibly another 2 trillion galaxies

 

[Daavid63]

Ahmed Massoud in the Panjshir valley is the rallying point for the continuation of operations in Afghan. The yanks will soon have a fixed base in the Panjshir to conduct SAR for its nationals and CT ops. Basically the "Northern Alliance" has arisen like a phoenix from the ashes.
Going to get interesting.

 

[Kroffe]

a bit under the mark; there's possbly 100-400 billion stars in our own galaxy alone (with their own planets) and possibly another 2 trillion galaxies

Can you yourself prove this, or is it based on faith in the false science god and its disciples?

When you are ready to open your eyes and see, i mean really see, Moose Jesus will welcome you with open arms.

 

[ladyhawke]

I wonder why a godless or creatorless universe of millions of planets without signs of life, gave birth to one with every kind, and a dominant animal through his ability to think, to the level of studying matter, creating space ships etc.

I concur. This has been a puzzlement to me most of my life.

.it happened all by consecutive, random chance does seem very long odds to me.

If not random chance, then we veer into Matrix-type territory, where our fate is predestined and our lives preordained.

But no doubt organised religion and its effects are a factor in continuing strife and bloodshed etc... However the communist movements who didn't believe in god also shed a lot of blood,

The communist movement may not have believed in God, but at grass-roots level, religious beliefs were very strong, albeit driven underground. Russia is a case in point: today, Orthodox Christianity is the largest religion, a situation that could not have happened if religion had been completely stamped out during the Communist era..

so that problem is probably more to do with man and indiviidual misleaders of man, sociopaths who have no conscience, morality etc..

The root of all evil in this world of ours always comes back to man. We have no respect for each other, our environment, animals, or anything. We truly deserve extinction.

 

[ladyhawke]

Can you yourself prove this, or is it based on faith in the false science god and its disciples?

When you are ready to open your eyes and see, i mean really see, Moose Jesus will welcome you with open arms.

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I wish I could give this a thousand likes. Absolutely brilliant in how many targets it mocks.

 

[mack341]

I concur. This has been a puzzlement to me most of my life.

If not random chance, then we veer into Matrix-type territory, where our fate is predestined and our lives preordained.

The communist movement may not have believed in God, but at grass-roots level, religious beliefs were very strong, albeit driven underground. Russia is a case in point: today, Orthodox Christianity is the largest religion, a situation that could not have happened if religion had been completely stamped out during the Communist era..

The root of all evil in this world of ours always comes back to man. We have no respect for each other, our environment, animals, or anything. We truly deserve extinction.

In terms of the rest of the planet's animal kingdom and nature, they would have a better futture without greedy man. I've no idea how many religions there are currently or have been in the past, lost religions as it were, maybe the concentration and awareness of about 4 major ones prejudices any discussion of the underlying concept (for want of a better word).

 

[dionysus]

Can you yourself prove this, or is it based on faith in the false science god and its disciples?

When you are ready to open your eyes and see, i mean really see, Moose Jesus will welcome you with open arms.

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I'm Canadian; there is probably a Moose Jesus

 

[Kroffe]

I wish I could give this a thousand likes. Absolutely brilliant in how many targets it mocks.

Was not really meant to mock anyone, just a joke-y way to say that everyone has fait&believes in things, different things.

In fact, COTMG (Church of the moose god) are pretty chill when it comes to rules, but mocking is not allowed.

1. Thou shalt not mock.
2. Thou shalt not consume moose, mousse is allowed.


Also, since its all made up, i never have to go to church.
Its a pretty sweet deal.

 

[geordiecolin]

I can only speak for Christianity, but the Church has made a fortune over the centuries from their followers, even in times of desperate poverty. The pervading stain of decadence and corruption persists today, to the point that I'm not sure the concept of Godliness even exists anymore.

As for religion no longer being required in today's society: Fear of the unknown is essentially the main impetus for people's unswerving loyalty to religion, as it provides a sense of comfort knowing there is an existence beyond the veil of death that rewards the faithful.

In itself, a very powerful reason for the continuing existence of all flavours of religion.

Lets hope that those of religion are praying for those effected by Hurricane Ida. New Orlean's have lost their sewerage works and the latest I hear is that the Shell Mars Deep Water oil platform has broken loose and the platform is now free in the Gulf of Mexico. That could be catastrophic

 

[ladyhawke]

Was not really meant to mock anyone, just a joke-y way to say that everyone has fait&believes in things, different things.

Can you yourself prove this, or is it based on faith in the false science god and its disciples?

When you are ready to open your eyes and see, i mean really see..

Trying not to antagonise or alienate GeordieColin or Mack341 here but...these are straight outta the MAGA God-Emperor's QAnon playbook.

Moose Jesus will welcome you with open arms.

Every conspiracy theorist who ever lived worships at this altar.

 

[mack341]

I believe the term 'conspiracy theorist' entered the lexicon in the aftermath of jfk's murder, at the behest of the cia/fbi media outlets were encouraged to use it when discussing sceptical reaction to the warren report. 'truth seeker' has a much better ring to it.

Qanon feels like someone pretending to have inside knowledge, I didn't follow it so have no idea whether they actually predicted anything accurately, or if he/she is still going?

 

[sufferinsilence]

I believe the term 'conspiracy theorist' entered the lexicon in the aftermath of jfk's murder, at the behest of the cia/fbi media outlets were encouraged to use it when discussing sceptical reaction to the warren report. 'truth seeker' has a much better ring to it.

Qanon feels like someone pretending to have inside knowledge, I didn't follow it so have no idea whether they actually predicted anything accurately, or if he/she is still going?

"They" are still going yes. And Q aren't truth seekers, they're full blown crazies. IMHO ofcourse.

 

[ladyhawke]

Qanon feels like someone pretending to have inside knowledge, I didn't follow it so have no idea whether they actually predicted anything accurately, or if he/she is still going?

"They" are still going yes. And Q aren't truth seekers, they're full blown crazies. IMHO ofcourse.

"Q" - who may or may not be Ron Watkins - has abandoned ship. However the QAnon movement - they prefer to refer to themselves as "Patriots" - is growing at an alarming rate in the USA.

There are many forums and sub-forums discussing the impact the QAnon movement is having on family, friends, co-workers, etc. These devotees can literally be anyone, e.g.

"Q" is an equal opportunity employer without regard to sex, race, religion, intelligence, or political affiliation.

The QAnon movement still believes at its core that the election was stolen from Trump, but has expanded into believing the unbelievable, however contradictory, e.g.

Donald Trump is a billion-year old being composed completely of light, who has come to save Earth.
The world is run by Lizard people, that Donald Trump and his allies are fighting.
Biden is really Trump wearing a Biden mask.
Democrats and the Hollywood elite are all paedophiles, who run either the Deep State, or the Cabal, or both
Many of the above have already been tried and executed at Gitmo, including Biden, Hilary Clinton, Tom Hanks, Ophra, etc.
Clones have replaced most democrats and the Hollywood Elite
Millions of children are stolen from their parents each year, and are being stored in underground tunnels. These children are being tortured and killed for adrenochrome,
Pizzagate
A colony on Mars is populated by stolen slave children
Jewish Space Lasers started the California bush fires
Nazis have a colony on the moon
Bill Gates invented CoVid to depopulate the world
CoVid vaccines cause people to become magnetic, able to be tracked by the government.
Ivermectin (a horse de-wormer) is the only cure for CoVid

Ad nauseum.

In fact, add in nausea to the mix, as these crazy beliefs make me feel sick to my stomach. How can any sane person actually believe in this?

It is almost as if mass hypnosis or paranoid delusion has overcome a large swathe of the population, much like the Salem Witch trials back in the late 17th Century.

PS: Almost all of QAnon's beliefs can be traced back to a movie, e.g.
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
Face Off
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Iron Sky
Guardians of the Galaxy 2

 

[slotplayer]

Joe's on to foreign policy, Good luck everybody.

HA!

Carry On.

 

[mack341]

This gave me a chuckle, joe just not bothered or uptight doing his thing amuses me. I mark him down massively on his vax tirades though, but he's probably listening to kamala.

​

 

[mack341]

Haha classic

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[geordiecolin]

I wonder if this is the reason why Gove stepped away from running for being PM in the UK? Just like Biden it is amazing how media suppression can either fuel or kill a career when truth is presented to the public. As well as how it is presented these days. Smart,clever and educated does not anything really

 

[geordiecolin]

I've no wish to be alarmist however it is worth highlighting because this needs monitoring by both Europeans,Africa and both North and South America.
The cumbre Viege Volcano in Gran Canaria has been extremely active for over a week now which I have been following closely. The island has a fault where miles of cliff is in danger of slipping into the sea. If it all goes at once-which is worst case scenario- it could cause an utter doom tsunami with massive waves hitting all of the about. America would have 8 hours max notice and obviously Europe and Africa very much quicker.

Now the local government are holding a meeting as I type where they have just stated that an eruption is imminent. I am not spanish speaking but this information has been translated and they are talking about evacuation. They have stated that they do not think an eruption will trigger a landslide but many in the know are arguing that the earthquakes-thousands in the last week- are right on the fault line

As an aside 4 of the 5 Bouys that America rely on for early Tsunami warnings are not working. 3 totally and 1 has been sending faulse signals for more than a week.



I am not suggesting to expect doom and gloom but at the same time I think it is only fair to give warning

 

[geordiecolin]

This guy has a place on the island and is close to the possible eruption. If/when it kicks off he has promised to broadcast live footage if it is possible for him to do so

 

[geordiecolin]

After intense activity close to the surface 2 vents have just occurred. Vulcanologist says that an explosive episode is possible. These next few hours are crucial. Live stream below. Fingers crossed.

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[sufferinsilence]

 

[mack341]

Sounds significant until reading:

According to emails contained in the documents, Zach Parkinson, then the campaign’s deputy director of communications, reached out to subordinates on Nov. 13 asking them to “substantiate or debunk” several matters concerning Dominion. The next day, the emails show, Mr. Parkinson received a copy of a memo cobbled together by his staff from what largely appear to be news articles and public fact-checking services.

 

[mack341]

That article just sparked up the old Trump/US memory banks...arizona audit, wondering what happened to it and seen this:

Arizona Election Audit Report To Be Released Sept. 24 [kawc.org]​

PHOENIX -- Arizonans will finally get to see on Sept. 24 what auditors have concluded about whether there was fraud, misconduct, mistakes or anything else in the conduct of the 2020 election in Maricopa County that denied a Donald Trump victory in the state.

Senate President Karen Fann said there will be an open session at 1 p.m. that day on the Senate floor so that Doug Logan, CEO of Cyber Ninjas, ?can present the findings to her and Sen. Warren Petersen, R-Gilbert, who chairs the Judiciary Committee.....


.....The planned release of the report comes even though the Senate has not yet received some of what it has subpoenaed from Maricopa County. That specifically includes computer routers which Cyber Ninjas claims are necessary to determine if the tallying equipment was connected to the internet which would allow for results to be remotely altered.

Attorney General Mark Brnovich has ordered the county to surrender the routers or forfeit its state-shared revenues.

 

[sufferinsilence]

You probably find this more significant. ?

 

[mack341]

How many legal cases has he been involved with over the years, 1 is enough for most people. However I bet investigators have spent ages poring over his papers and tax returns since 2015 [mueller etc..], if there is something dodgy it's been well hidden. Surely the tax authorities in the US have all the records, unless they've covered for him.

 

[Kroffe]

How many legal cases has he been involved with over the years, 1 is enough for most people. However I bet investigators have spent ages poring over his papers and tax returns since 2015 [mueller etc..], if there is something dodgy it's been well hidden. Surely the tax authorities in the US have all the records, unless they've covered for him.

Wouldnt be all too surprised if there was something dodgy there, not just because its Trump, more so because its a rich person.
Rich people dont like paying taxes.

Or maybe its to save face, maybe the tax returns will show he is not as rich as he claims or something.
I dont know, imo it just seems weird to fight so hard not to show them if there is nothing there he does not want people to see.
He strikes me more like the kind of guy that would make a billion copies and throw his tax returns from Trump tower if there was nothing to hide, you know, to 'own the libs'

 

[mack341]

Wouldnt be all too surprised if there was something dodgy there, not just because its Trump, more so because its a rich person.
Rich people dont like paying taxes.

Or maybe its to save face, maybe the tax returns will show he is not as rich as he claims or something.
I dont know, imo it just seems weird to fight so hard not to show them if there is nothing there he does not want people to see.
He strikes me more like the kind of guy that would make a billion copies and throw his tax returns from Trump tower if there was nothing to hide, you know, to 'own the libs'

But wouldn't the tax people already have copies of all his submitted returns, maybe the local state ones are not shareable with other states unless a court orders it. So they can't join up the dots. He is a canny operator, I tend to think he will have used tax avoidance strategies rather than tax evasion, which i believe can result in jail time in the US afaik.

Yes not being as rich or receiving generous donations may be a concern, but he doesn't come across like a worried man tbh.

 

[Kroffe]

But wouldn't the tax people already have copies of all his submitted returns, maybe the local state ones are not shareable with other states unless a court orders it. So they can't join up the dots. He is a canny operator, I tend to think he will have used tax avoidance strategies rather than tax evasion, which i believe can result in jail time in the US afaik.

Yes not being as rich or receiving generous donations may be a concern, but he doesn't come across like a worried man tbh.

I have no idea how it works, im just guessing.
It does sound possible that different states have different rules about sharing that kind of stuff.
He does not seem worried, but he does seem to care an awful lot about his image.
Thats why i thought maybe its because hes not as rich as he claims or something like that.

I dont know, when it comes to rich people i sort of always assume they tread very close to line of whats legal/illegal when it comes to taxes.
Stupid rich people.

 

[mack341]

Jeff bezos has recently remarked he won't pay more tax as an act of charity, as boris is apparently asking him to chip in a bit more, he only pays the uk peanut amounts atm for billions of revenue

 

[Kroffe]

Jeff bezos has recently remarked he won't pay more tax as an act of charity, as boris is apparently asking him to chip in a bit more, he only pays the uk peanut amounts atm for billions of revenue

Wasnt it Amazon that paid 0 tax for 2018 or maybe it was 2019?
Remember seeing some headlines about it but didnt really bother reading up on why or how.
Im guessing there were loopholes and tax havens involved.

I dont know, i think the wealth distribution is a bit messed up, and its not like the rich are slowing down the trend anytime soon.
And the employees are not benefiting from working for the richest people in the world, quite the opposite.
Minimum wage and poor working conditions, all so these billionaires can hoard their money like some fairy tale dragons.

People work full time at places like Amazon and Walmart, but still need to rely on food stamps to not starve.
Its not great.

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[pinnit2014]

Wasnt it Amazon that paid 0 tax for 2018 or maybe it was 2019?
Remember seeing some headlines about it but didnt really bother reading up on why or how.
Im guessing there were loopholes and tax havens involved.

I dont know, i think the wealth distribution is a bit messed up, and its not like the rich are slowing down the trend anytime soon.
And the employees are not benefiting from working for the richest people in the world, quite the opposite.
Minimum wage and poor working conditions, all so these billionaires can hoard their money like some fairy tale dragons.

People work full time at places like Amazon and Walmart, but still need to rely on food stamps to not starve.
Its not great.

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You'd think he'd opt to donate a few more quid and offset it by stopping sending me a keyring in a box the size of a coffin. Or throwing perfectly fine goods into a skip.