US PLAYERS: It's all over - for now

[eduun]

Johnnyvegass,
YOU PROMISE?

 

[recruit]

Not so clever now, eh Johnny???

Ahhh the jealousy Well i no longer have time for degenerates that are jealous of people that make a living playing holdem. I got my money, so have a good one all. Thank you, and gnite!

You give gamblers a bad name. You are so quick to flame and hurl insults at others, but when somebody calls you at your own game, you tuck your tail between your little legs and get the hell out of Dodge...how did you get ON any of the gambling sites ANYway??? (I thought they limited gambling to adults??)

Make sure your wife clears her calendar...and soon.

 

[Da_Gambla]

Hi again Johnboy -

Ahhh the jealousy Well i no longer have time for degenerates that are jealous of people that make a living playing holdem. I got my money, so have a good one all. Thank you, and gnite!

So now we're degenerates, eh?

You fellas act like im the enemy when in fact im just like you guys

Guess thats make you a degenerate too, according to your wisdom.

But I think not, actually. No, you're really not like the majority of folks I see posting back here. Oh, I know you -tried- to fit in. You thought your posts were witty, cutting edge, intelligent. You thought that if you say things like 'my wife is a psychologist', you'd gain points to validate your vapid existence. However, after reading your posts day after day since you joined, I have what I feel is probably a little bit closer to the real picture.

You live with your parents. You tried to find work, but the local Chuck E. Cheese told you they wouldn't be hiring for awhile (like, anytime after you move out of Ohio). Your redneck pick-em up truck broke down, and is sitting in your front yard up on blocks. Knowing how easily you p0wn those drunk fellow losers (you call them 'friends') in Texas Hold 'Em nickle and dime games, you decided to deposit some money online and play Hold 'Em online. You approached your wife about it. You argued, "how else we gonna get the pickem up fixed baby?"

Your wife looked up at you, and had a flashback to those days when life had possibility. She wanted to go to college and possibly get a degree in psychology, but damn if she didn't get pissed drunk one night at a party, and well, there you were. You called it chivalry, society would most likely label it rape. Nonetheless, 9 months later you had a kid and a shotgun wedding. Living with your parents was the only hope. As she lapsed into depression, she became hopelessly addicted to her MySpace page. She fondly remembered how exciting it was when she was accepted as a 'friend' on Paris Hilton's MySpace page. Eventually your parents put their foot down and told you that she would have to find a job. Luckily, mom got her in at the Walmart she worked at.

She snaps out the nightmare flashback and tells you, "Johnny, you know I only make minimum wage at Walmart. You can use the coffee can money we saved for the next box of baby diapers, but if you lose it, that's it!" You figured, what's the worst that can happen? If you lose the money, you can just get creative with grandma's bloomers and some diaper pins; the baby's handled. You deposit and enter a game. After four hands, you're all in with a pair of deuces. And these people aren't drunk rednecks. You don't have the heart to tell your wife that you lost, so instead you tell her how you didn't understand that withdrawing the money takes awhile. You get out grandma's bloomers and show your wife your creative genius.

You vow revenge. You start playing Hold 'Em online day and night. So far, the wife hasn't noticed the $30 you steal from her wallet every week. She also hasn't noticed that you eBay'd the stamp collection your grandpa left you when he passed on. He told you it would be worth millions some day. The old fool... you feel lucky to have gotten 32 grand for it. Can't let the wife find out, so you transfer all 32 grand into your online account. They immediately grant you VIP status. You start playing Hold 'Em until you pass out, sleep a few hours, then you're back at it. Your wife confronts you. "Johnny, we can't live like this any more! All you do is sit in front of that computer to play poker, watch porn (you didn't think she knew!) and eat Cheetos!" You mumble something and she scoffs out of the room. On top of all the frustrations that have been going on for months now, you go see a doctor for 'your problem'. He asks what that problem is. You sheepishly rise, drop your drawers and show him your bright orange pecker. He asks if you've done anything different lately. You tell him no, you just work at the computer and eat Cheetos as usual... he diagnoses the problem and suggests that you wash your hands after eating the Cheetos, and the orange glow on your pecker should go away. Damn those doctors are smart....

A few weeks later, you login and check your account balance. $4,600. Damn that 32 grand went fast, but hey, you feel you're getting pretty good at Hold 'Em now! You shrug and chock it up to the expense of education! Then, it hits you... god if you're not genius! You called your wife into the room and proudly display the $4,600 balance. "Sweety, remember that $30 I borrowed from the coffee can 6 months ago? Look at what I did with it!!"

Looks like you'll finally be able to fix that pickem up truck, and wow! the sex that night after you showed her that balance! But then suddenly you realize how difficult it is to get money transferred since the new US laws passed. You need that pickem up fixed soon or mom has threatened to have it towed off of the front lawn, so you start searching the internet for wisdom on getting paid. You found this place. Lucky us. You started throwing tantrums, disrespected the website owner, and threatened to go overseas and 'kick some ass'. Oh how we wished that had come to pass. The thought of you getting off of a plane on foreign soil and immediately committing a felony swirled in our heads. After all, we understand that in 3rd world prisons, they also play a version of Hold 'Em. Unfortunate as it would have been for you, it isn't played with cards...

Glad you finally got paid $1,900. Use that well, and don't forget to thank grandpa in your prayers each night. It's probably best that you don't hangout here. Since the quality of your company defines you, we are all obviously giving you a really bad image.

I wish only the best for you and the family.

- Keith

 

[I BEEN THERE]

Da_Gambla


Hi again Johnboy -


Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyvegass
Ahhh the jealousy Well i no longer have time for degenerates that are jealous of people that make a living playing holdem. I got my money, so have a good one all. Thank you, and gnite!

So now we're degenerates, eh?


Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnyvegass
You fellas act like im the enemy when in fact im just like you guys

Guess thats make you a degenerate too, according to your wisdom.

But I think not, actually. No, you're really not like the majority of folks I see posting back here. Oh, I know you -tried- to fit in. You thought your posts were witty, cutting edge, intelligent. You thought that if you say things like 'my wife is a psychologist', you'd gain points to validate your vapid existence. However, after reading your posts day after day since you joined, I have what I feel is probably a little bit closer to the real picture.

You live with your parents. You tried to find work, but the local Chuck E. Cheese told you they wouldn't be hiring for awhile (like, anytime after you move out of Ohio). Your redneck pick-em up truck broke down, and is sitting in your front yard up on blocks. Knowing how easily you p0wn those drunk fellow losers (you call them 'friends') in Texas Hold 'Em nickle and dime games, you decided to deposit some money online and play Hold 'Em online. You approached your wife about it. You argued, "how else we gonna get the pickem up fixed baby?"

Your wife looked up at you, and had a flashback to those days when life had possibility. She wanted to go to college and possibly get a degree in psychology, but damn if she didn't get pissed drunk one night at a party, and well, there you were. You called it chivalry, society would most likely label it rape. Nonetheless, 9 months later you had a kid and a shotgun wedding. Living with your parents was the only hope. As she lapsed into depression, she became hopelessly addicted to her MySpace page. She fondly remembered how exciting it was when she was accepted as a 'friend' on Paris Hilton's MySpace page. Eventually your parents put their foot down and told you that she would have to find a job. Luckily, mom got her in at the Walmart she worked at.

She snaps out the nightmare flashback and tells you, "Johnny, you know I only make minimum wage at Walmart. You can use the coffee can money we saved for the next box of baby diapers, but if you lose it, that's it!" You figured, what's the worst that can happen? If you lose the money, you can just get creative with grandma's bloomers and some diaper pins; the baby's handled. You deposit and enter a game. After four hands, you're all in with a pair of deuces. And these people aren't drunk rednecks. You don't have the heart to tell your wife that you lost, so instead you tell her how you didn't understand that withdrawing the money takes awhile. You get out grandma's bloomers and show your wife your creative genius.

You vow revenge. You start playing Hold 'Em online day and night. So far, the wife hasn't noticed the $30 you steal from her wallet every week. She also hasn't noticed that you eBay'd the stamp collection your grandpa left you when he passed on. He told you it would be worth millions some day. The old fool... you feel lucky to have gotten 32 grand for it. Can't let the wife find out, so you transfer all 32 grand into your online account. They immediately grant you VIP status. You start playing Hold 'Em until you pass out, sleep a few hours, then you're back at it. Your wife confronts you. "Johnny, we can't live like this any more! All you do is sit in front of that computer to play poker, watch porn (you didn't think she knew!) and eat Cheetos!" You mumble something and she scoffs out of the room. On top of all the frustrations that have been going on for months now, you go see a doctor for 'your problem'. He asks what that problem is. You sheepishly rise, drop your drawers and show him your bright orange pecker. He asks if you've done anything different lately. You tell him no, you just work at the computer and eat Cheetos as usual... he diagnoses the problem and suggests that you wash your hands after eating the Cheetos, and the orange glow on your pecker should go away. Damn those doctors are smart....

A few weeks later, you login and check your account balance. $4,600. Damn that 32 grand went fast, but hey, you feel you're getting pretty good at Hold 'Em now! You shrug and chock it up to the expense of education! Then, it hits you... god if you're not genius! You called your wife into the room and proudly display the $4,600 balance. "Sweety, remember that $30 I borrowed from the coffee can 6 months ago? Look at what I did with it!!"

Looks like you'll finally be able to fix that pickem up truck, and wow! the sex that night after you showed her that balance! But then suddenly you realize how difficult it is to get money transferred since the new US laws passed. You need that pickem up fixed soon or mom has threatened to have it towed off of the front lawn, so you start searching the internet for wisdom on getting paid. You found this place. Lucky us. You started throwing tantrums, disrespected the website owner, and threatened to go overseas and 'kick some ass'. Oh how we wished that had come to pass. The thought of you getting off of a plane on foreign soil and immediately committing a felony swirled in our heads. After all, we understand that in 3rd world prisons, they also play a version of Hold 'Em. Unfortunate as it would have been for you, it isn't played with cards...

Glad you finally got paid $1,900. Use that well, and don't forget to thank grandpa in your prayers each night. It's probably best that you don't hangout here. Since the quality of your company defines you, we are all obviously giving you a really bad image.

I wish only the best for you and the family.

- Keith

WOW ~! Such detail. Makes one wonder if this is the story of your own life rather than a dig at ol' Johnny. Way too much detail and assumption.
Sadly, I get where most posters are coming from. The US players want assurance. The affiliates want to continue to see players play = $. And the ones still playing want everyone to stop whining but wait they are all slowly getting their own turns, China, Canada etc...
My own personal opinion is stupidity is a strong word but close enough to the truth when it comes to the far riskier gamble one makes to play online these days. Any forum, anywhere has hundreds of bad stories regarding problems of some sort. DC was correct, it is all over. There is no regulation and no protection against bad site(s). Poker= 75%luck the other 20% is the power of the bet and let us not forget the last 5% is the guarantee of the online site rake.(sarcasm but close in my opinion ) Decent online casino's are now very limited and with the loss from Americans, I am guessing much tighter for all.
I am absolutely certain many miss it and still wing it as do I with only poker now but without some regulation and the casinos, affiliates and the players making a stand in unison, there will continue to be problems. Those delays as mentioned should never be. ( for those still playing )They get your money right away so it should be equally as fast when you cashout. ( NO Excuses! )
So long as we play and let them do as they please and accept it ( knowing it is unfair ) we are simply showing them are sense of stupidity". I am only guessing here but I would assume those casino's, poker rooms and bingo halls have called us stupid more than once for letting them continue to do as they please when and how. I for one, think it is HIGH TIME it stop ~!

 

[recruit]

You should take that act on the road!!!

Hi again Johnboy -



So now we're degenerates, eh?



Guess thats make you a degenerate too, according to your wisdom.

But I think not, actually. No, you're really not like the majority of folks I see posting back here. Oh, I know you -tried- to fit in. You thought your posts were witty, cutting edge, intelligent. You thought that if you say things like 'my wife is a psychologist', you'd gain points to validate your vapid existence. However, after reading your posts day after day since you joined, I have what I feel is probably a little bit closer to the real picture.

You live with your parents. You tried to find work, but the local Chuck E. Cheese told you they wouldn't be hiring for awhile (like, anytime after you move out of Ohio). Your redneck pick-em up truck broke down, and is sitting in your front yard up on blocks. Knowing how easily you p0wn those drunk fellow losers (you call them 'friends') in Texas Hold 'Em nickle and dime games, you decided to deposit some money online and play Hold 'Em online. You approached your wife about it. You argued, "how else we gonna get the pickem up fixed baby?"

Your wife looked up at you, and had a flashback to those days when life had possibility. She wanted to go to college and possibly get a degree in psychology, but damn if she didn't get pissed drunk one night at a party, and well, there you were. You called it chivalry, society would most likely label it rape. Nonetheless, 9 months later you had a kid and a shotgun wedding. Living with your parents was the only hope. As she lapsed into depression, she became hopelessly addicted to her MySpace page. She fondly remembered how exciting it was when she was accepted as a 'friend' on Paris Hilton's MySpace page. Eventually your parents put their foot down and told you that she would have to find a job. Luckily, mom got her in at the Walmart she worked at.

She snaps out the nightmare flashback and tells you, "Johnny, you know I only make minimum wage at Walmart. You can use the coffee can money we saved for the next box of baby diapers, but if you lose it, that's it!" You figured, what's the worst that can happen? If you lose the money, you can just get creative with grandma's bloomers and some diaper pins; the baby's handled. You deposit and enter a game. After four hands, you're all in with a pair of deuces. And these people aren't drunk rednecks. You don't have the heart to tell your wife that you lost, so instead you tell her how you didn't understand that withdrawing the money takes awhile. You get out grandma's bloomers and show your wife your creative genius.

You vow revenge. You start playing Hold 'Em online day and night. So far, the wife hasn't noticed the $30 you steal from her wallet every week. She also hasn't noticed that you eBay'd the stamp collection your grandpa left you when he passed on. He told you it would be worth millions some day. The old fool... you feel lucky to have gotten 32 grand for it. Can't let the wife find out, so you transfer all 32 grand into your online account. They immediately grant you VIP status. You start playing Hold 'Em until you pass out, sleep a few hours, then you're back at it. Your wife confronts you. "Johnny, we can't live like this any more! All you do is sit in front of that computer to play poker, watch porn (you didn't think she knew!) and eat Cheetos!" You mumble something and she scoffs out of the room. On top of all the frustrations that have been going on for months now, you go see a doctor for 'your problem'. He asks what that problem is. You sheepishly rise, drop your drawers and show him your bright orange pecker. He asks if you've done anything different lately. You tell him no, you just work at the computer and eat Cheetos as usual... he diagnoses the problem and suggests that you wash your hands after eating the Cheetos, and the orange glow on your pecker should go away. Damn those doctors are smart....

A few weeks later, you login and check your account balance. $4,600. Damn that 32 grand went fast, but hey, you feel you're getting pretty good at Hold 'Em now! You shrug and chock it up to the expense of education! Then, it hits you... god if you're not genius! You called your wife into the room and proudly display the $4,600 balance. "Sweety, remember that $30 I borrowed from the coffee can 6 months ago? Look at what I did with it!!"

Looks like you'll finally be able to fix that pickem up truck, and wow! the sex that night after you showed her that balance! But then suddenly you realize how difficult it is to get money transferred since the new US laws passed. You need that pickem up fixed soon or mom has threatened to have it towed off of the front lawn, so you start searching the internet for wisdom on getting paid. You found this place. Lucky us. You started throwing tantrums, disrespected the website owner, and threatened to go overseas and 'kick some ass'. Oh how we wished that had come to pass. The thought of you getting off of a plane on foreign soil and immediately committing a felony swirled in our heads. After all, we understand that in 3rd world prisons, they also play a version of Hold 'Em. Unfortunate as it would have been for you, it isn't played with cards...

Glad you finally got paid $1,900. Use that well, and don't forget to thank grandpa in your prayers each night. It's probably best that you don't hangout here. Since the quality of your company defines you, we are all obviously giving you a really bad image.

I wish only the best for you and the family.

- Keith

Oh my God man, you killed me...I have never laughed so hard in my friggin' life. The bit with the cheetos was absolutely priceless!! The sad thing is that probably 99% of your vision of JohnBoy's life is TRUE!! Don't you know his parents are damn proud of that boy. They taught him everything they know, after all. (remember, "my parents play online too...") And not that he would ever have the b**** to come back here, but shouldn't the Meister ban him....or something?? Anyway, thanks for making my day.

 

[recruit]

Sorry, you missed the boat on this one....

WOW ~! Such detail. Makes one wonder if this is the story of your own life rather than a dig at ol' Johnny. Way too much detail and assumption.
Sadly, I get where most posters are coming from. The US players want assurance. The affiliates want to continue to see players play = $. And the ones still playing want everyone to stop whining but wait they are all slowly getting their own turns, China, Canada etc...
My own personal opinion is stupidity is a strong word but close enough to the truth when it comes to the far riskier gamble one makes to play online these days. Any forum, anywhere has hundreds of bad stories regarding problems of some sort. DC was correct, it is all over. There is no regulation and no protection against bad site(s). Poker= 75%luck the other 20% is the power of the bet and let us not forget the last 5% is the guarantee of the online site rake.(sarcasm but close in my opinion ) Decent online casino's are now very limited and with the loss from Americans, I am guessing much tighter for all.
I am absolutely certain many miss it and still wing it as do I with only poker now but without some regulation and the casinos, affiliates and the players making a stand in unison, there will continue to be problems. Those delays as mentioned should never be. ( for those still playing )They get your money right away so it should be equally as fast when you cashout. ( NO Excuses! )
So long as we play and let them do as they please and accept it ( knowing it is unfair ) we are simply showing them are sense of stupidity". I am only guessing here but I would assume those casino's, poker rooms and bingo halls have called us stupid more than once for letting them continue to do as they please when and how. I for one, think it is HIGH TIME it stop ~!

You missed the boat on this one....JohnBoy had that coming ...the flames were coming right through the computer screen from his last several posts; taking shots at fellow members and inflamatory rants belong somewhere other than this forum.

 

[I BEEN THERE]

You missed the boat on this one....JohnBoy had that coming ...

I didn't miss a thing. It was personal both ways. However, my point was regarding the stupidity and when it comes to that many of us have "missed the boat". Their ships are sailing just fine and yet just look at the post and all the players begging for lifejackets. There are warning signs all over and yet daily there are new posts about someone else walking the plank.

I BEEN THERE

 

[catrina m]

YOWZA

WOW ~! Such detail. Makes one wonder if this is the story of your own life rather than a dig at ol' Johnny. Way too much detail and assumption.
Sadly, I get where most posters are coming from. The US players want assurance. The affiliates want to continue to see players play = $. And the ones still playing want everyone to stop whining but wait they are all slowly getting their own turns, China, Canada etc...
My own personal opinion is stupidity is a strong word but close enough to the truth when it comes to the far riskier gamble one makes to play online these days. Any forum, anywhere has hundreds of bad stories regarding problems of some sort. DC was correct, it is all over. There is no regulation and no protection against bad site(s). Poker= 75%luck the other 20% is the power of the bet and let us not forget the last 5% is the guarantee of the online site rake.(sarcasm but close in my opinion ) Decent online casino's are now very limited and with the loss from Americans, I am guessing much tighter for all.
I am absolutely certain many miss it and still wing it as do I with only poker now but without some regulation and the casinos, affiliates and the players making a stand in unison, there will continue to be problems. Those delays as mentioned should never be. ( for those still playing )They get your money right away so it should be equally as fast when you cashout. ( NO Excuses! )
So long as we play and let them do as they please and accept it ( knowing it is unfair ) we are simply showing them are sense of stupidity". I am only guessing here but I would assume those casino's, poker rooms and bingo halls have called us stupid more than once for letting them continue to do as they please when and how. I for one, think it is HIGH TIME it stop ~!

 

[Da_Gambla]

Way too much detail and assumption.

There was 0 assumption. It's satire. Fabrication. Ever been to a movie? They're not real either.

If you absolutely MUST press an author for their motivation, well here you go... I've had to plow through JV's bullshite posts day after day.. he intrudes on many threads, offering nothing but JV's view of the world. He builds himself up to be someone important, knowledgeable, credible. But when he lets his guard down, he shows his true colors (as is usually the case with anyone who is not who they portray themselves as - another facet of the internet one must assume). He is obviously a hypocrite, you know the type... do as I say, not as I do... a preacher in a false cloak. Now all of that is FACT layed out by Johnny himself in his postings. What I did was think... what if Johnny is actually 180 degrees from his persona he wants us to believe? I then thought, why not take 180 degrees and EXAGGERATE it just for fun. After all, all authors write for whatever amusement comes from it, as well as the therapeutic value built in. So there you are. If you don't like the post, I accept that. I've seen many movies that critics rave about, but did nothing for me. Just note the post is titled "Hi again Johnboy", so basically you are a guest reading a publicly posted personal note. Or however you want to look at. But thanks for reading...

- Keith

 

[Da_Gambla]

I didn't miss a thing. It was personal both ways.

You are assuming you know the mindset of the author, which could be easily realized if the author is posting facts or opinions. On the other hand, if they are posting SATIRE, you would be foolish for trying to read that far into it. Are all horror writers closet serial killers? I think not. It's an outlet to write.

Actually mon friend, you missed THE WHOLE THING.

There was nothing personal about it. If you want me to get personal, I can go there. I just chose to make fun with someone's quite apparent personality quirks. I call it 'bi-polar', but whatever. Comedians make money all day long for making fun of personalities. Some people actually find human nature quirks or flaws humorous. If you don't, then I understand your inability to view the post as designed by me, and instead are trying to find something 'real' or tangible to argue about. : yawn :

So what makes you laugh? Well, judging by your avatar, possibly dogs sniffing each other's asses makes you laugh. Possibly dogs sniffing asses offends some people, or maybe they just don't get it. Maybe they would confront you. What would you say to them? Exactly. The same thing I say to you.

Whatever.

- Keith

 

[I BEEN THERE]

Actually mon friend, you missed THE WHOLE THING.

Nope ! I got it. Perhaps it is just in the wrong place. ( rants & raves maybe is where it should be )or the joke column. Either way, it was your story ( fact or fiction ). You are correct, I was just one of many that read this forum. I selected the "USA It's all over " and stumbled upon the whole thing.
Sorry to have said a thing pertaining to the Johnny story when I came to read about the US "It's all over thread " , I most definitely knew better !

As for the ass sniffing dogs. They represent the American Gov't which have their noses in all our asses at the moment ~! FACT !!!
I BEEN THERE

 

[lojo]

I just have one thing to say...

They don't call him JohnnyVegas for nothin

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Okay, it's not relevant, but it's a laff

 

[Da_Gambla]

Nope ! I got it. Perhaps it is just in the wrong place.

Erm...... I'm just supposing here that it would be a huge waste of time to point out that what you are saying here was not said in any of the other posts you offered on this thread... yeah, I thought so...

( rants & raves maybe is where it should be )or the joke column. Either way, it was your story ( fact or fiction ). You are correct, I was just one of many that read this forum. I selected the "USA It's all over " and stumbled upon the whole thing.
Sorry to have said a thing pertaining to the Johnny story when I came to read about the US "It's all over thread " , I most definitely knew better !

I disagree. My first offering to this thread was a response to a post IN this thread, and my second one was another response, so they do in fact belong in this thread. They would make no sense elsewhere... If you came to this thread to read about "It's all over", well you weren't disappointed. It was the top few posts. Since then, a variety of things took it south. Heck, even the original poster went on a side journey about college basketball. But I digress...

As for the ass sniffing dogs. They represent the American Gov't which have their noses in all our asses at the moment ~! FACT !!!
I BEEN THERE

But... that -IS- supposed to be somewhat humorous, no? I mean, you could've just put a tag line in your sig and said it in plain English, but you found or created that avatar so people would put the irony together and maybe a least crack a grin? No? Nothing there? Just random?

Oh c'mon dammit, don't just sit there and pout! Lighten up! Wait! I know what will gain your approval... being on-topic! Well, let's see... my position has been well covered by other people, but here it is for the record. I believe the US govt has been successful at making it so difficult to transfer money into the US that a majority of players have left the market. However, it is FACT (as posted many times here and other places on the 'net) that people who refuse to take 'no' for an answer are getting results. It all depends on will and creativity. I highly applaud Mousy for pointing out that a strong will does not equate to necessarily labeling someone as an 'addict'. We are simply grown up adults who wish to do grown up things that aren't hurting anyone else. Surely anyone with ass sniffing dogs representing the US govt's involvement in places they don't need to be can agree on this. Or maybe you will want to zig-zag somewhere else with this... who knows.

- Keith

 

[Mousey]

I would love to see some stats from the casinos and from affiliates on how many players they've lost.

I worry about EZBoard (etc.) forums and their players, because it seems the current cash out problems are being downplayed -- and this is an awful situation for new players right now. And players who are not following this DoJ vs. Online Gambling saga can also be rudely awakened when they try to cash out. (Like tanergirl -- in another thread -- who was depositing as usual with her card, and didn't understand the cash out problems.) There are too many players out there who simply are not fully aware of what's happening, continue to play, then are astounded and irate when it takes 3 months (or more) of jumping through hoops to receive a withdrawal. Thus, I often quote the CM's advice for players to just stop playing for now.

The casinos welcome our deposits, but don't warn players that it might take weeks or months to receive a withdrawal. Granted, few ever withdraw, but players should all be made aware of the situation. (Ewallet withdrawals are faster, but I worry that they will pull an armadillo and simple curl up and shut players out, leaving more US players with funds in limbo.)

Veteran players, forearmed with guts, balls, tenacity, and time to chase their money, seem to be fairing the best.

Me, I've been playing online over 4 years. I haven't deposited since NETeller shut me out. I, personally, don't think it's worth the hassle -- I'm too old to regard hoop-jumping as fun or even interesting.

 

[Dekon]

JV did what?

Oops, I'm sorry, I must have clicked on the wrong thread.......no, I guess this is right. Thanks Mousey, for getting us back to the topic. LOL
But, It's all Good!

 

[dominique]

I would love to see some stats from the casinos and from affiliates on how many players they've lost.

The casinos welcome our deposits, but don't warn players that it might take weeks or months to receive a withdrawal. Granted, few ever withdraw, but players should all be made aware of the situation. (Ewallet withdrawals are faster, but I worry that they will pull an armadillo and simple curl up and shut players out, leaving more US players with funds in limbo.)

US players? Probably 50%.

Actually the casinos don't know from one day to the next whether they will be able to pay out that day. It's a cat and mouse game ( no pun intended ).

A payment route that works one day may be blocked by the US the next day. You just never know. If you are owed by a reputable place, just sit still and the money will come eventually. If you can't wait for winnings, don't play.

Many of the casinos that worry about their ongoing reputation do not encourage US deposits. They are always looking for deposit methods that allow them to pay winnings back the same way. That is why you don't see gift cards and such as deposit methods they recommend. They are one way deals.

Wallets try to keep things flowing but face the same problems and frequently lose ach capacities overnight. It's not their fault, they would much rather go back to normal.

What is happening is that UIGEA is showing a world wide effect. Almost all banks except the very smallest local ones in other countries are beholden to the US banking system. They are all scared of losing the capacity to deal in $. And that is what will happen to them if they try to find ways around UIGEA.

No one likes this situation, and like all prohibition it will give a boost to criminal elements. Beware of casino mail from places you never heard of offering big bonuses and easy deposits. Now of all times you need to stick with the tried and true, and even then you need patience.

The US wants you to go to offline casinos and buy lottery tickets online and bet on US horse racing and fantasy sports online. That is who lined the politician's pockets, and that is who is supposed to get your business now.

 

[recruit]

Right on!!!

.[/QUOTE]

If you are owed by a reputable place, just sit still and the money will come eventually. If you can't wait for winnings, don't play.

I agree 100%....I read all the posts about how banks are saying "This check is no good....." but I have yet to read a post from anyone who got a check from a REPUTABLE casino, deposited it, and then had it returned for NSF, or any other reason. The casinos clearly tell you, "Do not attempt to "cash" these checks, but rather deposit them as you would normally...." and they will clear. (Just as in the case of Frenchie in a similar post...she presented the check at her bank and was told it was "rubber" but upon further investigation she posted a few days later, that the check WAS in fact "good")

This goes back to "Gambling 101"...don't wager more than you can afford to lose. In other words, if it's going to completely devestate your financial picture if you have to wait 45 days or more for a withdrawal to process, DON'T PLAY and you won't be disappointed. I think the majority of players (myself included in the beginning) just expected "business as usual" and then freaked out when they discovered that this new law WAS going to affect them after all. If players just went into "withdrawal mode" with clear expectations that you are going to have to wait a couple of months to see their money, I think we would see allot less "panic" on the forums. That way, if you get it sooner, it's a nice surprise...if not, at least you were prepared for it.

On a "good news" note...I recieved a check from Big Dollar 9 days after my withdrawal, my bank made a call (and I have no idea who they called or what number) to verify the check, was told it was fine and recieved instant credit for the deposit. Of course, I'm not "spending" it until it clears, but I consider this a good sign.

 

[dc9999]

I would opine that the US market loss to online casinos greatly exceeds 50%.

And don't underestimate the ramifications the US legislation had on the "old school" approach online casinos took toward their customer base. Namely - we'll confuse the hell out of you with ridiculuous T&C's and bonus clauses - and screw you whenever we damned well please! (and we'll have bogus "watchdogs" like eCogra and Kahniwake to lend an air of legitimacy to those gambling addicts who want to believe they're being protected..)

Also...for you die hards out there still living in fantasy land with the retorts that "there are still many above board options out there" for US based players - I say "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?"

Playtech, Boss Media, Cryptologic et al. have said BYE BYE to the US market, and the former juggernaut in the industry - Microgaming - is seeing even their top casino groups struggle to pay players in a timely fashion. That does not bode well for an industry that in the best of times, was one notch about bootleggers, drug lords, and life insurance scammers on the trust meter. Hell, look no further than those upstanding lads from Realtime Gaming (RTG) who are literally "on the run" as they try to find a third world country willing to accept their band of thieves.

When and if online gambling returns to its former level of dominance, it won't be with ANY of the jokers still active today.....and THANK HEAVENS FOR THAT!!!

I'm looking forward to a new world order where MGM-Mirage, Wynn Gaming, and Harrah's replace the likes of all of these charlatans who WILLINGLY admit undesirables to their ranks without ANY recourse..and that means MICROGAMING, PLAYTECH, RTG, BOSS MEDIA etc. etc....You would NEVER see the Mirage for instance, look the other way, if one of their brick and mortar casinos started screwing players...BUT NOT IN THIS WARPED UNIVERSE!! Here we get morally bankrupt apologists making statements like "support InetBet or BoDog because they are REPUTABLE RTG sites..." Hey how about holding the ENABLERS like Realtime Gaming accountable - and boycotting ALL of their sites until they clean up their act?

Oh I forgot, that would mean the affiliates wouldn't get their share of commissions from hardcore players - er - "victims"......

 

[Da_Gambla]

All of that doom & gloom would certainly feel more real to me if it weren't for one small factor: all of the major players in online gaming still have huge vested stakes in customers from many other countries. So, whatever the percentage of loss is from the US, the percentage that fills out the 100% mark are all still allowed to gamble at those sites. I don't feel like the casinos who want to remain (once the smoke has cleared) will ever openly screw over players, even ones from the US.

I mean, I do understand where you're coming from... I've thought many times that if times got rough enough, some of these operations will not only turn rogue, but will close down and run with everything currently in their bank. But that isn't happening right now... all the payment troubles, and the bulk of the PAB's going out, involve US players. That tells me that for now, the top casinos are trying to salvage their business models and survive into the future. Then factor in that a few of the players are trying hard to be creative with processors for US payments. That's why a few of still see 'hope', and why a few people are actually successfully getting paid in this environment. Whether it changes for the REAL worse or not is for the future to tell.

Another thing keeping them 'honest' right now... The deposits by all non-US players are still in the casino's banking, and they are earning interest with it, as well as paying for ongoing operations. They would be extremely foolish to make themselves look unstable, otherwise a majority of their non-US players will start making massive withdrawls. That isn't happening right now either.

All business models are designed for longevity, and creativity will allow some to survive the apocalypse. It is risky to do business with someone struggling to be creative every week, but as has been stated, if you're willing to live within that risk zone, it's your prerogative, and you shouldn't be bashed, flamed, or labeled an 'addict', etc. I also believe you shouldn't come here and whine if you get burned in the future...

- Keith

 

[kauphy]

My fellow Americans...

PLEASE do yourselves a favor and STOP thinking that you will get paid for winnings you've accrued over the past few months at ANY online casino!

It's quite obvious the whole bloody lot of them (to quote my British friends) are taking advantage of the US online gaming laws, and WILL BE SCREWING ALL OF US ROYALLY!!! In other words: your winnings have been permanently absconded and you're out of luck...

Yes its a bitter pill to swallow, but hopefully a new era will be upon us in the near future, where REPUTABLE and LICENSED (and I don't mean through jokes like ECogra and Con-a-wacky) internet casinos can be enjoyed by all.

Look, I too am out big bucks courtesy of the crooks collectively known as RTG and the Crystal Palace Gaming Group,,,but it's time to face the facts and move on.

No amount of carping or PAB's is going to change the current environment we find ourselves in...

Bryan has done all that he can (in my estimation) and now we're in that "in between time" where no good deed will go unpunished.

One only has to look at the HUGE drop off of participants in forums like these to see that this ship has sunk - and folks are jumping off the deck in record numbers.

The "wild west"/no holds barred generation of online gambling is thankfully coming to an end.

And until the new world order comes to fruition, stop wasting your time thinking any of the scammers who still exist in this shrinking universe are going to "do the right thing".....If you need to donate your money to someone, then I'll be happy to give you my address where at least you know it will go to good use - and you won't experience any serious letdowns!

Goodbye RTG...Goodbye Microgaming....Goodbye Online Casino "apologists"

ITS ALL OVER!!!!!!

sorrie to sink you boat but fl is paying and a very good casino to play at.

 

[kauphy]

I can send u her website info if u like, shes very good at helping people who have gambling problems

it seems to me that your the one with the promble. maybe your wife needs to look at whats wrong with you before she trys to help anyone eals. you seem to want to try to tell people how to spend thier money and when we don,t listen you fall back on name calling. why don,t you grow up and get a life. i,am a grown up and make my own money and will spend it anyway i want weather its on-line or land based it sounds like maybe your working for the goverment the way your sounding off. again i say go get a life or maybe you should make a appointment with your wife.

 

[FRENCHIE]

i got mine

i recieved a check last thursday so they are paying just taking longer

 

[dc9999]

Hey kauphy....My "boat" hasn't been sunk...far from it...

Not when over 90% of the online casinos can no longer do business in the US!

To the folks out there that seem to have lost their grip on the current reality: HERE IS A FACT FOR YOU TO DIGEST......the number of online casinos that are now SHUT DOWN to US players FAR EXCEEDS those that remain open.....

And lets not forget that some of the most prominent casino software platform operators like Playtech, Cryptologic, and Boss Media are COMPLETELY out of the US market. The rogues known as RTG have very few affiliates left (even fewer when you consider only a handful are even borderline reputable..) and even Microgaming is reeling big time.

Moreover look at the British owned entities and see how their stocks have plummeted!

Yeah, my boat is sinking online gambling is as "robust" as ever...

Have another pint - or five - and call me in the morning when - and if - you sober up...

BTW..how much does FL pay you monthly as an affiliate?

 

[dominique]

Got any stats to back these things up or are the made up?

 

[dc9999]

Simple math is all you really need in order to deduce that the vast majority of online casinos have called it quits (relative to accepting US gamblers) since the US legislation went into effect.

Tally up the vast number of sites that flew under the Playtech, Boss Media, Cryptologic, and RTG flags that have since gone kaput in the US market- not to mention the numerous Microgaming and proprietary sites that have exited the US market - and you'll see the numbers are staggering.

And beyond the quantitative analysis,,,take a look at the constant refrain of MAJOR payment problems, Neteller going south, the marked decline of player postings at sites like these, RTG running and hiding etc etc. and any sane and logical individual can clearly ascertain that it's far from "business as usual" in the online gaming universe.

Sorry Dominique but the online gambling landscape is changing BIG TIME,,,,and thankfully I say! The US players - and soon most EU players - will find out that the crooks and thieves that dominate this environment, will be banished once and for all.