Unauthorised Withdrawal from My Neteller Account

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Tdoggy said:
I think I will go change my secure idea right now. Been Years since I have done that. Thanks for the important info. Scary how any casino with your info can just take as they please from your neteller account. :eek:

Casinos can pay from your account in case they are short of money :lolup:
 
right

Yeah steal from some poor souls neteller account to pay another customer that they owe! Would it surprise me. Probably not! :D
 
Haviton

A casino blatently stealing money from your net acc needs to be reported to the authorities where ever they hold thier licence in the hope that criminal charges can be brought(unlikely though as these places are as crooked as some casinos)
For my thoughts on requesting ID see Flus bellerock thread

And they need to be named so we can all avoid them

An alternative to neteller may need to be found if they dont guarantee your 800 as it was fraudulently taken from your account (just the sort of thing casinos claim that asking for ID is supposed to prevent)
 
I inquired with Neteller regarding this thread.
This is what was emailed to me with the authority to make this post....


NETeller has set up a rule with it's merchants that an account holders name must match on both sides in order to allow a cash out or deposit to and or from a merchant to NETeller / NETeller to merchant. The transaction was sent from this merchant to what seemed to be another NETeller account (the player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side)with his friends name and a NETeller account with his own name) and when the casino in question saw the error in the user's names not matching, the transaction was reversed. This casino went out of it's way to reverse what looked to be a fraudulent withdrawal to someone else's NETeller account (as the names didn't match on both sides) This is all just a big miscommunication and the casino and NETeller were trying to protect a player against a potential fraudulent withdrawal.

NETeller is currently working with the client and the merchant to correct this issue. The funds are still available to the client. He breached the merchant's and NETellers security rules and this is why there is a problem.
 
Good job

Way to go getting to the bottom of this issue. Sounds like a big mix up and I'm glad the casino and Neteller are working it out with the player. Makes me feel a little bit safer now with my own neteller account :D
 
lanidar said:
The transaction was sent from this merchant to what seemed to be another NETeller account (the player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side)with his friends name and a NETeller account with his own name) and when the casino in question saw the error in the user's names not matching, the transaction was reversed.

Sounds like someone was bonus hunting and told a friend he/she could make them some easy money.

"Hey, let me open up an account at the casino in your name since I already used my own. I can get free money again from the casino and I'll give you a cut."

That may not be the answer, but I'd definitely like to hear why Haviton set up a player account for his friend, but used his own NETeller account.
 
Is He???

Is He what online casinos would call a Bonus Abuser????? :D Yeah using your neteller account for a friends deposit is not good at all. :D
 
If this was attempted fraud, no problem. I believe account names must match at both sides for transactions to be legitimate.
 
Neteller has given this thread their attention following a request from us for an editorial comment on this situation. This is their response:

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NETeller has set up a rule with it's merchants that an account holders name must match on both sides in order to allow a cash out or deposit to and or from a merchant to NETeller / NETeller to merchant.

The transaction was sent from this merchant to what seemed to be another NETeller account.

The player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side)with his friend's name and a NETeller account with his own name. When the casino in question saw the error in the user's names missmatching, the transaction was reversed.

This casino went out of it's way to reverse what looked to be a fraudulent withdrawal to someone else's NETeller account(as the names didn't match on both sides) The casino and NETeller were trying to protect a player against a potential fraudulent withdrawal.

NETeller is currently working with the client and the merchant to correct this issue. The funds are still available to the client. He breached the merchant's and NETellers security rules and this is why there is a problem.
 
Well thanks Haviton for getting us all worried about Neteller's security when it was in fact just you trying to fraud a casino.

Oh yeah, and thanks for wasting everyone's time who bothered to input to the debate :thumbsup:
 
I would like to enquire as to how Neteller knew who was being asked about as the only info I can find here is the name Haviton and the casino was not named

Also lets not start shouting abuser untill he has had a chance to reply because I find it hard to believe that anybody would be stupid enough to do what he is being accused of and then come on here and complain about it
 
This was what Jetset just quoted Neteller as saying:

jetset said:
The player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side) with his friend's name and a NETeller account with his own name. When the casino in question saw the error in the user's names missmatching, the transaction was reversed.

So unless Neteller are lying then Haviton himself informed them of it.

If I have jumped to conclusions that aren't correct then I'll be the first to apologise, but I doubt that I have TBH.
 
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To be fair he did say he was away on business til Friday earlier in the thread.
 
We've just received some interesting anonymous information on this matter, which although now erased has apparently appeared rather boastfully on other message boards and has been noted.

I will not post unsubstantiated material from an anonymous source, but I urge whoever sent this to us (who is clearly reading this board) to post his or her information as a first hand and quite damning account.
 
jetset said:
We've just received some interesting anonymous information on this matter...
Out of curiosity, who's "we" in this case? I'd question the value of posting info aimed at discrediting any message board poster - it's hard to see how it can benefit anyone (except perhaps satisfying someone holding a grudge).

From this thread it doesn't look as though Haviton, Neteller or the casino are being entirely up front with the truth. Assuming he made a deposit via Neteller and then withdrew to the same account it's hard to see this as a case of the two companies trying to save a player from fraud - it's simply a case of spotting a potential breach in terms and conditions (a different name) that might allow the casino to hold onto funds.

I don't think Neteller have addressed the underlying issue here (regardless of an individual case). Casinos clearly store the secure code and can initiate Neteller debits from someone's account without informing the player. I had this happen when I'd been mistakenly paid twice - of course I was perfectly willing to see the money returned to the casino, but the very least I think they should be obliged to do is e-mail the player before initiating a withdrawal.
 
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NETeller has set up a rule with it's merchants that an account holders name must match on both sides in order to allow a cash out or deposit to and or from a merchant to NETeller / NETeller to merchant.

The transaction was sent from this merchant to what seemed to be another NETeller account.

The player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side)with his friend's name and a NETeller account with his own name. When the casino in question saw the error in the user's names missmatching, the transaction was reversed.

This casino went out of it's way to reverse what looked to be a fraudulent withdrawal to someone else's NETeller account(as the names didn't match on both sides) The casino and NETeller were trying to protect a player against a potential fraudulent withdrawal.

NETeller is currently working with the client and the merchant to correct this issue. The funds are still available to the client. He breached the merchant's and NETellers security rules and this is why there is a problem.
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Hi All, as I said, I was awat until Friday but Because Sheffield Wednesday are playing tonight, I have come home early

Some points form what Neteller have said first.


NETeller has set up a rule with it's merchants that an account holders name must match on both sides in order to allow a cash out or deposit to and or from a merchant to NETeller / NETeller to merchant.
Why did the deposit go through no problem

The player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side)with his friend's name and a NETeller account with his own name. When the casino in question saw the error in the user's names missmatching, the transaction was reversed.

That is absolute lie and I would like to know who it is at Neteller who said this. This is implying that I have been fraudulently claiming Bonuses which is a Lie. PLEASE whoever it is who has the contact, ask them for proof of this as all I have ever done is email Neteller about this, only once speaking to them when I noticed the withdrawal

What the Neteller are conveniently ommiting from there reply is that the initioal deposit was made using the same Neteller account.

Now, this is EXACTLY what happened and I have not deviated from any of this

I owe my brother in law just over 700 for a window he fitted. We were talking over the weekend and I told him about the casino bonuses. NO DENIAL OF THIS WHAT SO EVER. He said basically that he did not trust them and they would run off with his money etc etc. I said they are bad ones but gave him a few honest ones and said "Look, if you want, use my Neteller account for the money I owe you. If you win, it will be paid back to me and I will pay you from there."

He opened an account with King Neptunes and deposited using MY NETELLER account. He then played out and some how, LUCKY BST, he got to just over 1000. H etold me to expect this and to be honest, I thought he was pulling my leg.

Any way, I checked I think on Friday and saw that a pay back to my account for 200 and 803 had been made by Trident E Commerce and then the Next day, 803 had been taken back out.

I immediately phone Neteller who told me, and I recorded the conversation as I used the phone I use to place bets, and I was told that teh casino had requested the money back, as a normal transaction and they had quoted MY Secure ID to do this. There was no mention of different names, automatically reversed or anything. I was told by Neteller security they had requested it back using my Secure ID to do it.


When my Brother In Law made the withdrawal, it asked him the name of the Neteller account, he put my name. He was asked for the email address of the Neteller account, he put in the correct one. At no point did he attemt to gain any advantage. IN FACT, i have talked about this since and he was playing blackjack hands a 60 a time, not exactly a BONUS ABUSERS MO.

My brother in law has been in touch with what he called "A Brilliant Bloke" at Trident called Kobis I think, and he asked him for me to provide a scan of my passport, Credit Card and a bill which I did and for him to do the same which he did.

They have actually paid the money back to Neteller again today BUT 1 HOUR TOOK IT BACK AGAIN so dont know what happened their.

Some points concern me here though. The lie from the Neteller rep, the flipant accusations by other forum posters that I have had run ins with (VERY CHEAP) and is their no Data Protection with Neteller discussing an ongoing security issue.

But then again, if you make up a story to suit your needs, whos to argue
 
The "brilliant bloke" is Kobus, the CFO. If he determines you are entitled to be paid, you will be paid, plain and simple.

However, the way you went about this is wrong - your Neteller account is for your own personal use only - this is in the Neteller terms and conditions as well.

Kobus obviously took the logical view - that you were a bonus hunter trying to run more than one account - can you blame him for that?

As for the money going in and out of the account, I would assume there is some problem with the Neteller procedure for handling this sort of situation - I doubt that it has anything to do with the casino at all, and I doubt that Neteller are trying to screw you.

Just politely ask what's happening, and if all is as it appears at present, the money will be in your account to stay.
 
player said:
NETeller has set up a rule with it's merchants that an account holders name must match on both sides in order to allow a cash out or deposit to and or from a merchant to NETeller / NETeller to merchant...
Why did the deposit go through no problem...?

Because the security check happens afterwards, not before. That's not unreasonable: if you're legit, you have nothing to fear; if you're trying it on, you'll have noone but yourself to blame.

player said:
The player described the situation later like this: he had set up a player account(casino side)with his friend's name and a NETeller account with his own name. When the casino in question saw the error in the user's names missmatching, the transaction was reversed.
That is absolute lie and I would like to know who it is at Neteller who said this.

How? The player account was in the bro in law's name, the NT account was in your name. I agree that it's made to look as if the two accounts were set up moreorless together, implying dodgy-doings, but the facts remain as stated by NT.

Ted said:
Kobus obviously took the logical view - that you were a bonus hunter trying to run more than one account - can you blame him for that?

It's not up to Kobus to take an opinion on his "bonus hunter" tendencies. Are the transactions legit, bonus behaviour aside? If yes, he's paid. If no...etc etc. That is the only question.

Neteller said:
He breached the merchant's and NETellers security rules and this is why there is a problem.

Then he shouldn't be paid, which is also my opinion on the matter. I'll take a guess he probably WILL be paid, however, since the bro in law story is halfway convincing and Trident will probably consider paying to be the lesser of two evils. The pure facts of the matter say "no pay", however.
 
It's not up to Kobus to take an opinion on his "bonus hunter" tendencies. Are the transactions legit, bonus behaviour aside? If yes, he's paid. If no...etc etc. That is the only question.

No one said anything about tendencies. Register more than one account that is funded by the same Neteller account and you automatically get labeled "hunter" even if the correct word is "abuser".
 
Spearmaster

My Neteller account has never been used with casinos, apart from ones that have sportsbooks. :thumbsup:
 
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