UKGC To Ban Turbo Spins & Prevent Under 25's from joining VIP Schemes?

[Smithyy]

Just saw this:

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Was skeptical as it was published on 1st April on another gambling news site but managed to find it on UKGC's actual website.

Looks like they're removing turbo spins from games and preventing under 25's from joining VIP programs among other measures.

Only skimmed it quickly so interested what anyone's thoughts are!

 

[JGslots]

It looks like @Team.Videoslots will have to remove the ability to utilise split screen slots...


Safer products
These groups were tasked with developing an industry code for responsible product and game design. Industry commitment from this work so far includes:

• A minimum spin speed of 2.5 seconds on all slots.
• Removal of game features which may encourage intensive play such as slam stops and turbo buttons.
• Removal of split-screen slots which have been associated with potential loss of control.
• A more detailed work plan which will include in-game messaging and the creation of a Betting and Gaming Council Testing Lab to look into other game features.
• Publication of the final code in September 2020.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

FFS

Still no sign of anything useful from this bunch then...like abolishing pending periods??

Can they PLEASE leave our game play alone and focus their efforts on the things that actually matter.

 

[JGslots]

FFS

Still no sign of anything useful from this bunch then...like abolishing pending periods??

Can they PLEASE leave our game play alone and focus their efforts on the things that actually matter.

To be fair, I do think that the turbo spins do take the piss. Take the Pragmatic turbo play for example, how the hell is the server even able to communicate so stupidly fast?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

To be fair, I do think that the turbo spins do take the piss. Take the Pragmatic turbo play for example, how the hell is the server even able to communicate so stupidly fast?

On a lot of sites you get lag between spins, even with turbo spins- probably for the very reason you mention. VS is one of these sites.

I've only played one or two sites where you get 'true' turbo spins.

 

[Degen]

On a lot of sites you get lag between spins, even with turbo spins- probably for the very reason you mention. VS is one of these sites.

I've only played one or two sites where you get 'true' turbo spins.

Wazdan takes the piss its possible spin so fast your balance changes without any idea what happened.
You're on point on them focusing on the things which really don't make any difference though, makes me think they're under the control of the big UK bookies with how they act

 

[Davey86]

During the next couple of month their will be a lot ideas and hairbrained schemes cooked up at home by the ukgc the end is near for the U.K. market

 

[Playford7]

During the next couple of month their will be a lot ideas and hairbrained schemes cooked up at home by the ukgc the end is near for the U.K. market

I’m in regular contact with my ‘contact’ at both the asa and the ukgc.
don’t worry about hairbrained schemes, many measures are being discussed at present ;-)

 

[dealer wins]

Why dont they just ban the whole online gambling, rather than make the experience shittier and shittier every month. Then we can all play offshore at casinos where you can play like an adult and are not subject to forensic financial examination at the casinos whim!!

 

[Davey86]

Why dont they just ban the whole online gambling, rather than make the experience shittier and shittier every month. Then we can all play offshore at casinos where you can play like an adult and are not subject to forensic financial examination at the casinos whim!!

That sounds wonderful we just give them money and play in fun mode

 

[Davey86]

I’m in regular contact with my ‘contact’ at both the asa and the ukgc.
don’t worry about hairbrained schemes, many measures are being discussed at present ;-)

Something has to give sooner or later

 

[Kroffe]

Will almost be like we Swedes have it.
2.5sec instead of 3 tho.
On alot of slots there is really not much difference, if any at all. Like megaways slots, and certain "slower" spinning slots already take about 3 seconds to finish a spin, so makes no difference.
But slots that spin fast feel clunky as hell with the delay.

Playngo slots for example start spinning the reels the moment you press, but they dont start landing straight away, just kind of spins in place for 1.5sec.
Some providers have like a full 3 sec stop before anything starts landing, making the total delay waaaay longer than 3 sec.
And some providers have the spin happening like "normal" and a 3 sec delay after the spin is finished, also making it waaay longer than 3 sec on most slots.
Overall, it makes alot of slots alot less enjoyable to play, and i did not use to activate turbo/quickspin or make "stopspins" before the delay.

 

[Kroffe]

I think a much better way would be to have it as an option to "lock away" quickspin/stopspin and get the delay on spins instead of forcing it on everyone.
Ruins the fun for responsible players more than it helps problem gamblers imo.

 

[Playford7]

Something has to give sooner or later

;-)

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Will almost be like we Swedes have it.

It's getting to the point where a tooth extraction will be a more preferable experience than playing slots.

 

[Kroffe]

It's getting to the point where a tooth extraction will be a more preferable experience than playing slots.

Hey, i like going to the dentist.
She always tells me ive done a good job brushing my teeth.

 

[Playford7]

Hey, i like going to the dentist.
She always tells me ive done a good job brushing my teeth.

I’ve been told that for decades mate haha

 

[mack341]

If a slot annoys me with slow spins, or even frequent crashing, it does not help me to gamble sensibly. Frustration is not a good mix with gambling, and this is introducing artificial frustration, what was the point of bringing in SOWS and affordable gambling checks if not to make sure people could afford to gamble, now past that hurdle they have to endure imposed paint drying boredom speed

I can see people playing at higher stakes and just doing less spins, increase the potential for a decent base game hit and leave. I'd rather retain the option of quicker spin speeds even if it meant a stake limit, so once you go north of £1 the spins slow down, what's wrong with trying something that has a bit of flexibility?

 

[Playford7]

If a slot annoys me with slow spins, or even frequent crashing, it does not help me to gamble sensibly. Frustration is not a good mix with gambling, and this is introducing artificial frustration, what was the point of bringing in SOWS and affordable gambling checks if not to make sure people could afford to gamble, now past that hurdle they have to endure imposed paint drying boredom speed

I can see people playing at higher stakes and doing less spins, increase the potential for a decent base game hit and leave. I'd rather retain the option of quicker spin speeds even if it meant a stake limit, so once you go north of £1 the spins slow down, what's wrong with trying something that has a bit of flexibility?

See quick spin is enough for me, especially for games like DOA.
Those turbo spins I can’t stand as if it’s a bad session you just watch your hard earned cash flash by like a racing snake on testosterone.
I like to enjoy my session, a drink etc..
No rush to bust or win either way.

 

[Kroffe]

If a slot annoys me with slow spins, or even frequent crashing, it does not help me to gamble sensibly. Frustration is not a good mix with gambling, and this is introducing artificial frustration, what was the point of bringing in SOWS and affordable gambling checks if not to make sure people could afford to gamble, now past that hurdle they have to endure imposed paint drying boredom speed

I can see people playing at higher stakes and doing less spins, increase the potential for a decent base game hit and leave. I'd rather retain the option of quicker spin speeds even if it meant a stake limit, so once you go north of £1 the spins slow down, what's wrong with trying something that has a bit of flexibility?

Im not sure what kind of people are in the ukgc, but i get the feeling that the people making decisions in Spelinspektionen (our version) has little, or no knowledge at all about slots.
If they did, they would focus more on enforcing high rtp:s and the like to protect players instead of all the crap they do.

 

[Kroffe]

See quick spin is enough for me, especially for games like DOA.
Those turbo spins I can’t stand as if it’s a bad session you just watch your hard earned cash flash by like a racing snake on testosterone.
I like to enjoy my session, a drink etc..
No rush to bust or win either way.

Pretty sure they mean all sort of hasty spins will be removed, since a 2.5sec delay will be implemented.

 

[Playford7]

Im not sure what kind of people are in the ukgc, but i get the feeling that the people making decisions in Spelinspektionen (our version) has little, or no knowledge at all about slots.
If they did, they would focus more on enforcing high rtp:s and the like to protect players instead of all the crap they do.

Totally agree. Idiots in suits making silly decisions, that said certain issues need help from other mediums and can take time.
But the main issues they seem to avoid and implement silly rules that don’t help.
The credit card ban wasn’t a bad move imo.

 

[Playford7]

Pretty sure they mean all sort of hasty spins will be removed, since a 2.5sec delay will be implemented.

Oh. That will be as exciting as toothache

 

[mack341]

See quick spin is enough for me, especially for games like DOA.
Those turbo spins I can’t stand as if it’s a bad session you just watch your hard earned cash flash by like a racing snake on testosterone.
I like to enjoy my session, a drink etc..
No rush to bust or win either way.

yeah the turbo spins are a bit much for me, napoleon/blueprint and those pragmatic turbo spins are too fast you can't sit back and enjoy the suspense... but I can't play doa and netent in general without the quick spin option, I just wonder how long a normal spin takes currently on DOA, doubling that would be horrific

 

[JGslots]

Is it just Sky Vegas that currently have an enforced 3 second spin on the games?

I noticed the Novomatic style games have like a clock thing on the spin button. If you press too fast it says ‘Minimum 3 Seconds per Spin’ or summit.

Rob

 

[mack341]

Im not sure what kind of people are in the ukgc, but i get the feeling that the people making decisions in Spelinspektionen (our version) has little, or no knowledge at all about slots.
If they did, they would focus more on enforcing high rtp:s and the like to protect players instead of all the crap they do.

Totally agree, and this will likely cost the casinos more money than any of those other things [that players actually want] all put together.

Saying all this when I think about the game I play most, raging rhino, I've timed that and the most spins I can do in a minute is about 12, so that's 5 secs a spin ....and I'm quite happy with 10-12 spins on rhino a minute

 

[Playford7]

Is it just Sky Vegas that currently have an enforced 3 second spin on the games?

I noticed the Novomatic style games have like a clock thing on the spin button. If you press too fast it says ‘Minimum 3 Seconds per Spin’ or summit.

Rob

Play on sky a bit. Only ever had one cashout like, but that said no reverse or hassles ever with them.
That doa no fast spin is a nightmare though.

 

[Kroffe]

Totally agree, and this will likely cost the casinos more money than any of those other things [that players actually want] all put together.

Saying all this when I think about the game I play most, raging rhino, I've timed that and the most spins I can do in a minute is about 12, so that's 5 secs a spin

Yeah, like i said, on alot of slots there wont be any difference.
Im talking about compared to "normal" spin-speed, not quickspins.

Netenet slots like doa, jack and the beanstalk etc take around 3sec to make a spin without the quickspins option, so theres really not much difference.
Novomatics, merkurs etc is another story. They feel superclunky with the delay.

 

[Slottery]

These VIP schemes could be banned from all, quite high amount of VIP:s end up to be problem gamblers, that status seem to be so important for many that you don't want to lose that status. You have your personal VIP manager who gives you offers and speaks nicely and make you feel important, then it seems to be hard to say that i don't have more money to play but you just play even you can't afford it. If you go through UKGC fines for casinos, see how many VIP:s are included in these cases where these players have played with even stolen funds from employer or somewhere else just to keep playing like they are expected to keep their status.

These only exist to get these players deposit more who already deposit very high. Rewards can be offered to players without these different VIP levels or personal VIP manager who is acting to be your friend and make you play more with some personalized offers.

 

[shadow123]

Wish they would self isolate ... forever.Seem to be doing everything to spoil the experience of playing slots
by introducing rules that achieve absolutely nothing.All they will do is drive players into the wild west of
overseas operators.

 

[colinsunderland]

Do people not think this is partly due to providers and casinos taking the piss and pushing things too far? Most people think the turbo spins are too fast, you can barely see whats dropped in some spins are so fast. The only reason to have the reels spinning that fast is to generate more revenue. Same with having split screens, like Videoslots, is it 4 games you can play at once? Why? To make more money, that is the only reason. Do any other casinos offer that?

Just like the bonus buy being banned then them coming out with the 'all action' versions. The UKGC made it clear they don't want them, so the providers find a loophole. Watch them all cry real tears when the UKGC sets the max stake at £2, I didn't actually think they would bring that in, but seeing whats happened with the bonus buys, I'll bet they do now. If the casinos and providers can't self police themselves then the UKGC will do it, and that will be much worse.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Hey, i like going to the dentist.
She always tells me ive done a good job brushing my teeth.

Yeah, bit like my last trip to the doctors. Thoroughly enjoyed that too...

...it helped the doctor was in her 20s and fit as fuck. Standing up and walking out of that room in a normal fashion was much harder than usual (if you'll excuse the pun)

 

[Harry_BKK]

Do people not think this is partly due to providers and casinos taking the piss and pushing things too far? Most people think the turbo spins are too fast, you can barely see whats dropped in some spins are so fast. The only reason to have the reels spinning that fast is to generate more revenue. Same with having split screens, like Videoslots, is it 4 games you can play at once? Why? To make more money, that is the only reason. Do any other casinos offer that?

Just like the bonus buy being banned then them coming out with the 'all action' versions. The UKGC made it clear they don't want them, so the providers find a loophole. Watch them all cry real tears when the UKGC sets the max stake at £2, I didn't actually think they would bring that in, but seeing whats happened with the bonus buys, I'll bet they do now. If the casinos and providers can't self police themselves then the UKGC will do it, and that will be much worse.

Colin, this is the DNA of the gambling industry, sadly. It never has been proactive and never will be, instead it only reacts to what is imposed.

I downed about GBP250K in the years 1999-2000 while living in the UK, most of it at one group. I verified the first time an account in 2005 or thereabouts, that was some 7 years after starting to play, changing country of residence 3 times and an estimated million had gone down the drain. Nobody gave a rat's ass about AML, EDD, SOF, SOW ....... SOS, SOT, SOX, SOY or SOZ, whatever all the acronyms are.

All that is done now is a piecemeal approach, which still lacks in some core fundamentals that you would not get away with in any other industry.

If you take a trip down memory lane via Wayback you will see that at the beginning there was barely an 18+ sign on the pages. That basic DNA and attitude is still there and will probably take an entire generation of operators to change substantially.

However, what the UKGC and others do now looks completely chaotic. Something here, something there and nothing proper...like a herd of chicken that starts running in all directions when chased by a fox.

One example, VIP schemes - should they then not be removed in all aspects of our lives, e.g. Platinum Credit Cards come with significant higher credit limits, virtually encouraging vulnerable people to spend more on credit.

 

[colinsunderland]

Colin, this is the DNA of the gambling industry, sadly. It never has been proactive and never will be, instead it only reacts to what is imposed.

I downed about GBP250K in the years 1999-2000 while living in the UK, most of it at one group. I verified the first time an account in 2005 or thereabouts, that was some 7 years after starting to play, changing country of residence 3 times and an estimated million had gone down the drain. Nobody gave a rat's ass about AML, EDD, SOF, SOW ....... SOS, SOT, SOX, SOY or SOZ, whatever all the acronyms are.

All that is done now is a piecemeal approach, which still lacks in some core fundamentals that you would not get away with in any other industry.

If you take a trip down memory lane via Wayback you will see that at the beginning there was barely an 18+ sign on the pages. That basic DNA and attitude is still there and will probably take an entire generation of operators to change substantially.

However, what the UKGC and others do now looks completely chaotic. Something here, something there and nothing proper...like a herd of chicken that starts running in all directions when chased by a fox.

One example, VIP schemes - should they then not be removed in all aspects of our lives, e.g. Platinum Credit Cards come with significant higher credit limits, virtually encouraging vulnerable people to spend more on credit.

I completely agree, a lot of what they do is needless, while ignoring issues that should be looked at. Reversing withdrawals for example, why do they not put a stop to that being possible, yet they obviously feel spin speed is a more important issue. I have yet to see a single player state they think reversing withdrawals is good.

However, if the industry constantly pushes things then the UKGC will push back, which tends not to be great for players. There is no way they will sit back and watch the 'all action' slots continue, they have been developed solely to get round the bonus buy ban. The UKGC is already under pressure from the media to reduce stakes, doing stuff like this will only serve to speed that up, and act as a justification for doing so. I just think it's short sighted and counter productive.

 

[lewisnadasurf]

Does it really matter if i lose my £30 a week in 2 minutes or 20 minutes?

Or put it all on one roulette spin?

Honestly, there are better things UKGC could be doing.

 

[GunarsB]

That sounds wonderful we just give them money and play in fun mode

Just note that Fun Play is also banned by UKGC.

 

[GunarsB]

Wish they would self isolate ... forever.Seem to be doing everything to spoil the experience of playing slots
by introducing rules that achieve absolutely nothing.All they will do is drive players into the wild west of
overseas operators.

I believe the best aproach of changing things would be, if something is not allowed/banned then there should be something else what fills that gap. Otherwise soon enough we will be able to only deposit... and that would be the whole fun. Obviously we all love to deposit as it's the most exciting moment of the whole playtime, especially before Bonanza or Dead or Alive 2 and probably with some other games which I haven't played yet (which also may have a big "su ck it" potential).

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Just note that Fun Play is also banned by UKGC.

You can still play for free on some casinos if you have an account with them.

 

[Slottery]

One example, VIP schemes - should they then not be removed in all aspects of our lives, e.g. Platinum Credit Cards come with significant higher credit limits, virtually encouraging vulnerable people to spend more on credit.

Difference there is that at casino you can get your VIP status when you spend certain amount which you might have won from other casino and just have temporarily more funds what you use for gambling, as we see from UKGC penalties, casinos don't really bother to do affordability checks to VIP players but let them play huge amounts some money they might not have.

In these VIP programs should be taken same approach like in Platinum Credit Cards, they really want to know person wealth when giving that status, then it would be similar and more safe for players and also casinos. Making players VIP:s only based on SOW would be healthier approach than current one where some player who don't really have money to play on VIP level, want to keep that status (as it really seem to be important for many) and start to use funds which were meant to somewhere else than gambling and in many stories ending up stealing money to fund their gambling.

 

[GunarsB]

You can still play for free on some casinos if you have an account with them.

I know that Casumo has a free play mode, but since I've read some stories here about how Casumo deals with withrawals, I kinda refuse to log in there again. I know that free play games work good on PC, but if I log in with my phone, the games keep crashing, which wasn't the case a while ago.
I registered myself in Rizk, but I don't see a free play option there, probably because I'm from UK as I know that players outside this country have that option.

 

[Slottery]

I know that Casumo has a free play mode, but since I've read some stories here about how Casumo deals with withrawals, I kinda refuse to log in there again. I know that free play games work good on PC, but if I log in with my phone, the games keep crashing, which wasn't the case a while ago.
I registered myself in Rizk, but I don't see a free play option there, probably because I'm from UK as I know that players outside this country have that option.

There is no restriction that UK players couldn't play free play mode if you are just logged in, pre-login it's restricted.