UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

[Webzcas]

I have James O'Brien currently on the radio. I'd imagine it would be similar to listening to Chopley for a couple of hours lol.

Has to be said we do need a General Election. The Tory Party not only intent on imploding in superb style, have made our country an international laughing stock.

The thought of Sunak and Hunt at the helm seriously fills me with fear and dread. Meanwhile, we have the small matter of Russia continuing their genocidal campaign in Ukraine. Yet, no doubt the Ministry of Defence will have to endure further cuts which it cannot sustain :-(

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I have James O'Brien currently on the radio. I'd imagine it would be similar to listening to Chopley for a couple of hours lol.

Has to be said we do need a General Election. The Tory Party not only intent on imploding in superb style, have made our country an international laughing stock.

The thought of Sunak and Hunt at the helm seriously fills me with fear and dread. Meanwhile, we have the small matter of Russia continuing their genocidal campaign in Ukraine. Yet, no doubt the Ministry of Defence will have to endure further cuts which it cannot sustain :-(

They won't go for a general election because they know they'll get destroyed, I suspect they'll pretty much run out the clock, for a general election in Dec 2024 or Jan 2025. Their best hope is that by then inflation will have come down (which it will, simply because it always melts away in the end) and they can showcase that as their economic 'win' that justifies all the pain.

Interest rates might not peak as badly as they were predicted to, because Sunak and Hunt are pure neoliberals and will slash spending to keep the markets happy. (After twelve years of austerity, this will get very ugly. Well, even uglier than it already is.)

I'm not entirely convinced Sunak will be able to unite the party, there are so many opposing factions in the Tories now and whilst they can present a veneer of unity when they're looking like winners, they are famously fratricidal when the chips are down.

Also we're now a million miles away from the manifesto the Tories were elected on, Sunak really doesn't have any mandate for what he's about to unleash, and those Red Wall MPs are going to be getting skittish.

Basically, the next two years are going to be rough.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Dishy Rishi it is!

Maybe the Tories will eventually let the people of Britain have a say in this sort of stuff at a general election.

Bloody unelected bureaucrats, we should take back control. Or something.

 

[dunover]

Yep - rigged to keep Johnson out, it has now been established live on British Board of Communists that he did have 102 nominees, but no doubt they were fearful of the standards report he awaits coming back to bite their ass, so no doubt things would have been 'leaked' to the 1922 committee to endorse the correctness of that decision. So we have The SuNAKE to put up with, a complete smarmy tit. Still, the markets will like him there and so will his missus Murty.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm sure he will have the interests of Red Wall voters close to his heart.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yep - rigged to keep Johnson out, it has now been established live on British Board of Communists that he did have 102 nominees, but no doubt they were fearful of the standards report he awaits coming back to bite their ass, so no doubt things would have been 'leaked' to the 1922 committee to endorse the correctness of that decision. So we have The SuNAKE to put up with, a complete smarmy tit. Still, the markets will like him there and so will his missus Murty.

I can't find confirmation of this, what's the source?

By all accounts he wouldn't have even been able to fill all ministerial posts and suchlike even if he did make it, such is the extent of scorched earth he's left behind him.

Anyway Rishi and his seven hundred and thirty million quid will be great in the role and he will definitely govern for the many and not the few.

 

[Webzcas]

They won't go for a general election because they know they'll get destroyed, I suspect they'll pretty much run out the clock, for a general election in Dec 2024 or Jan 2025........

Good analysis and synopsis, the entire post. This government has so run its course, but yes, you are right, given an option Turkeys will not vote for Christmas. However, do not rule out a further implosion as it is clear the parliamentary tory party are now at war with the vast majority of their core base and in turn membership.

As I said in my previous post, I am dreading what the dynamic duo of Sunak and Hunt do to the public sector, in particular our defence budget.

You never know we could be living on an irradiated outcrop before this parliament is over....

Wake me up when this is all over. Ta!

 

[dunover]

I can't find confirmation of this, what's the source?

By all accounts he wouldn't have even been able to fill all ministerial posts and suchlike even if he did make it, such is the extent of scorched earth he's left behind him.

Anyway Rishi and his seven hundred and thirty million quid will be great in the role and he will definitely govern for the many and not the few.

A taking head from the party possibly the ERG (I saw it when watching the latest episode of this soap on anti-BBC news about 90 minutes - 2 hours ago) who confirmed it to the interviewer, and those 102 nominations set alarm bells ringing behind the scenes and concerted efforts were obviousy made against BJ to get him to withdraw. This corresponded with a massive hike in SuNAKE's confirmed nominations from 130-odd to nearly 200.

P.S. The Blatantly Biased Corporation do it yet again...

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[goatwack]

Sunak did sit there for what seemed like an eternity when Miss Trust gave her robo- victory speech all those two months ago......and he didn't even cry once!

He deserves some credit for that, at least

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A taking head from the party possibly the ERG (I saw it when watching the latest episode of this soap on anti-BBC news about 90 minutes- 2 hours ago) who confirmed it to the interviewer, and those 102 nominations set alarm bells ringing behind the scenes and concerted efforts were obviousy made agaisnt BJ to get him to withdraw. This corresponded with a massive hike in SuNAKE's confirmed nominations from 130-odd to nearly 200.

OK so there's no actual verified source that Johnson actually had over 100 nominations. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have gone for it if he'd got the 100, especially as he knows he'd have a very good chance (pretty much a dead cert) of winning amongst the members.

I mean, the named Sunak nominators, the 'confirmed' Johnson 100, and the Mordaunt 90 add up to more than the actual number of Tory MPs...... (And yes I know some of them moved around.)

I suspect we might never find out the truth here, either way we've been given Sunak whether we like it or not, literally just crowned as Prime Minister without a single Tory party member getting to cast another vote, let alone the actual British public.

It'd make those Brussels bureaucrats blush.....

 

[goatwack]

Nah, it's more likely Sunak & Johnson's power-talk didn't have the desired effect for Johnson, when he knew Sunak wasn't willing to roll over for him. Hence, he made the noble decision to 'bow out'.

But shhh! Let's watch Sunak arrive to be greeted by a mob of MPs loitering around, sitting on stairs etc, live as I type. Half-expected them to throw confetti at him, and Sunak to drive off in a beamer with 'Just Married - to myself' emblazoned on it

 

[mack341]

OK so there's no actual verified source that Johnson actually had over 100 nominations. I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have gone for it if he'd got the 100, especially as he knows he'd have a very good chance (pretty much a dead cert) of winning amongst the members.

I mean, the named Sunak nominators, the 'confirmed' Johnson 100, and the Mordaunt 90 add up to more than the actual number of Tory MPs...... (And yes I know some of them moved around.)

I suspect we might never find out the truth here, either way we've been given Sunak whether we like it or not, literally just crowned as Prime Minister without a single Tory party member getting to cast another vote, let alone the actual British public.

It'd make those Brussels bureaucrats blush.....

According to my reading of the leadership process, after the 1st rd and elimination of anyone who didn't get 100 mps to back them, there would have been another vote by the MPs. So say it had been Rishi vs boris, rishi got 2/3s boris could then concede or take it to a member's vote on Friday.

The MPs obviously have a different idea to the members who they want as leader, sunak for some reason, who looks to me like a glorified 'yes-man', who'll do exactly as the treasury advise.

He could be the fall guy for unpopular cuts coming, but he won't be any worse off reputation-wise in his circles.

 

[dunover]

At least we know that policies will be a sideline now as the media (BBC) fall over themselves to mention (In case you didn't know!!) that he's the first BAME PM. The bleedin' obvious means nothing to them as they play their tedious identity politics out. I'm more interested as to how he will allocate the shrinking pot (that the country hasn't even got one of to piss in) into the economy. @ChopleyIOM don't fret, he doesn't run the Isle of Moan by the way, calm down....

 

[goatwack]

Here we go!

There's no sound!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

At least we know that policies will be a sideline now as the media (BBC) fall over themselves to mention (In case you didn't know!!) that he's the first BAME PM. The bleedin' obvious means nothing to them as they play their tedious identity politics out. I'm more interested as to how he will allocate the shrinking pot (that the country hasn't even got one of to piss in) into the economy. @ChopleyIOM don't fret, he doesn't run the Isle of Moan by the way, calm down....

The UK's pot can be made 4-5% bigger overnight, growing the economy by tens of billions of pounds per year. Single Market..... Customs Union......

This is the core problem the Tories have when it comes to trying to grow the economy. Labour will have the same problem too.

Until a political party has the courage to stand up and tell the truth, we're holed below the waterline.

 

[goatwack]

I feel that his dead eyes are really connecting with the country, and as for his message: it really spoke at me

Shortest speech ever?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I suspect the glee from a lot of the left today is because they are well aware that their main obstacle to a Labour victory in 2024 is out of the way.

The Tories got this all wrong IMO. Not because Boris is a great leader but because he resonates with the average Joe. Rishi can’t do that and so the Tories have effectively written off all red wall seats.

The strategy should have been to let Boris ride out the next 18 months, let him own what he started and try to prevent a total electoral wipe out in 2024. Then the Tories could have focused on rebranding themselves whilst Labour were in power.

Rishi is young enough that he could have come back as leader as the opposition with a clean slate, ready for the election after next. If I was his advisor I’d have told him to stay well clear of this current mess.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I feel that his dead eyes are really connecting with the country, and as for his message: it really spoke at me

Shortest speech ever?

Crikey that was a bit shit.

I think a Prime Minister worth £730m and a Chancellor worth £14m are exactly the right people to explain to the British public why another dose of grinding austerity is good for them.

 

[goatwack]

I suspect the glee from a lot of the left today is because they are well aware that their main obstacle to a Labour victory in 2024 is out of the way.

The Tories got this all wrong IMO. Not because Boris is a great leader but because he resonates with the average Joe. Rishi can’t do that and so the Tories have effectively written off all red wall seats.

The strategy should have been to let Boris ride out the next 18 months, let him own what he started and try to prevent a total electoral wipe out in 2024. Then the Tories could have focused on rebranding themselves whilst Labour were in power.

Rishi is young enough that he could have come back as leader as the opposition with a clean slate, ready for the election after next. If I was his advisor I’d have told him to stay well clear of this current mess.

I think Labour'd have preferred Johnson to stand up there and bulldoze through the party as before, as opposed to Sunak, who appears to be a long-term appointment, the 'suit' they feel is right for them going forward........even if the next GE has been ground to dust already

 

[goatwack]

Here's the speech in full!

Ok, that may be an exaggeration - when I meant 'full', the part where Sunak graces us with his presence is between 14:45 - 16:23.....a whole minute-and-a-half!

 

[dunover]

Crikey that was a bit shit.

I think a Prime Minister worth £730m and a Chancellor worth £14m are exactly the right people to explain to the British public why another dose of grinding austerity is good for them.

Reminds me of Nu Liebore back in the day, whose cabinet had a net worth even exceeding that of the Tory shadow cabinet. And Bliar's dodgy overseas shell company property ownership, avoiding UK sales taxes on property if the company is bought rather the property itself. Corbyn came from a middle-class shires background never wanted for anything (aside from sane policies and honesty.) So in chopley-world your ability to govern is inverse to your wealth apparently.

And this coming from the Isle of Moan, where people seek to take advantage of low taxes and contributions to the public coffers. You couldn't make this shit up (unless you're chopley.)

 

[mack341]

This scene feels odd, HQ party folk are so out of touch with reality, beaming with joy. And of course Hankcock is front and central. [edit: on 2nd viewing I noticed Rishi skipped matt yet embraced and shook hands with those either side of him ]

If Rishi were asked why he was now the leader of a party and country when he's only been an MP and in public life since 2015, I bet he wouldn't have a coherent logical answer.

He might be a nice guy as far as MPs go, modest and polite, hardworking etc...but just feels like a bad repair job that will not last, doubt a feelgood factor will be resonating in many homes watching the news tonight.

 

[goatwack]

I think his answer would be something like "Just hang around long enough, and they'll anoint you leader by default"

 

[dunover]

Here's the speech in full!

Ok, that may be an exaggeration - when I meant 'full', the part where Sunak graces us with his presence is between 14:45 - 16:23.....a whole minute-and-a-half!

He has genealogical signs of inbreeding. Large pronounced eyes, ears and noses are classic indicators of hereditary close intermarriage, usually in villages with little outside contact. It's said that this was common too in Europe once until the industrial revolution when rural communities migrated en-masse to urban areas and believe it or not, the invention of the bicycle greatly reduced it as villagers could commute quickly to other settlements. If you see old caricatures of 'village idiots' (those unfortunates who had the above physical symptoms plus the common mental deficiencies that accompanied them) then you will notice how these are exaggerated in the sketches or cartoons.

Now it's generally the occasional 'throwback' that occurs in Europe, but it's still rife in Asia where marrying cousins is the norm - although it's legal to marry cousins here, it's rare. Sadly, the 'attractions' of Truss and Mordaunt will be far less visible now we have him.

 

[goatwack]

He has genealogical signs of inbreeding. Large pronounced eyes, ears and noses are classic indicators of hereditary close intermarriage, usually in villages with little outside contact. It's said that this was common too in Europe once until the industrial revolution when rural communities migrated en-masse to urban areas and believe it or not, the invention of the bicycle greatly reduced it as villagers could commute quickly to other settlements. If you see old caricatures of 'village idiots' (those unfortunates who had the above physical symptoms plus the common mental deficiencies that accompanied them) then you will notice how these are exaggerated in the sketches or cartoons.

Now it's generally the occasional 'throwback' that occurs in Europe, but it's still rife in Asia where marrying cousins is the norm - although it's legal to marry cousins here, it's rare. Sadly, the 'attractions' of Truss and Mordaunt will be far less visible now we have him.

Incest is Wincest

Looking at that 'speech', in hindsight, the reason for his stiff delivery (.....) is likely because of the 'angle' at which he's facing the teleprompter. If head-on, it could appear almost human, but because of the off-centre angle they've broadcast it at, it looks like Mr.Spud who should've gone to Specsavers.

For someone so PR-conscious it's a bit of a misstep. Dare I suggest it was done on purpose......

 

[dunover]

Incest is Wincest

Looking at that 'speech', in hindsight, the reason for his stiff delivery (.....) is likely because of the 'angle' at which he's facing the teleprompter. If head-on, it could appear almost human, but because of the off-centre angle they've broadcast it at, it looks like Mr.Spud who should've gone to Specsavers.

For someone so PR-conscious it's a bit of a misstep. Dare I suggest it was done on purpose......

It was actually common in Ancient Egypt too where Pharaonic bloodlines were intermarried and archeological evidence has show these defects, plus in the Middle East where communities hid away in isolated poor agricultural areas (now part of Israel, Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan etc.) from the successive empires of Sumerian, Alexander the Great, Persians and then Roman through Ottoman. He does rather have the Wallace (or is it Gromit?) look about him.

That's why the Saxon, Norseman and Viking conquests were good for our islands, as they killed many of the adult males while keeping the women for their 'entertainment' hence mixing up the stock a bit. Although we did get BJ out of it and even worse, Bros.

 

[dunover]

P.S. Why does Fabricant insist on wearing that dreadful syrup?

 

[mack341]

Whatever issues the tory MPs had with Boris [and I've criticised him a fair bit here in threads] but internationally as a leader he fitted in, and dare I say turned heads as a larger than life character. When he visited a country it made the news, people generally warmed to him even if they have different politics.

Impossible to put a figure on it but I believe this would help trade and exports, the leader becomes part of the brand UK, same as maggie T and even Blair.

 

[goatwack]

First time I'd seen Fabricant was him being interviewed on GB News or Sky the other day, and his barnet being a thing to behold, that's to say, the thatched roof perched atop his head.

Then I read some tidbits here and there, but apart from being 72 and clearly somewhat of an eccentric, the reason for The Hair is likely one of his many health woes.

But still though

 

[goatwack]

Whatever issues the tory MPs had with Boris [and I've criticised him a fair bit here in threads] but internationally as a leader he fitted in, and dare I say turned heads as a larger than life character. When he visited a country it made the news, people generally warmed to him even if they have different politics.

Impossible to put a figure on it but I believe this would help trade and exports, the leader becomes part of the brand UK, same as maggie T and even Blair.

Hard to believe, but I sense that he wasn't viewed as the buffoon we viewed him as, on the international stage. Most wouldn't have understood half the stuff he was even saying, and may have even believed he spoke well!

 

[mack341]

With the cost of heating shooting up, this kind of nylon thatch might not work out so bad as a head warmer!

I wonder if there are any pics of him when younger, pre MP, as he's adamant it's his real hair!

 

[dunover]

First time I'd seen Fabricant was him being interviewed on GB News or Sky the other day, and his barnet being a thing to behold, that's to say, the thatched roof perched atop his head.

Then I read some tidbits here and there, but apart from being 72 and clearly somewhat of an eccentric, the reason for The Hair is likely one of his many health woes.

But still though

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He didn't have to borrow Anthea Turner's though FFS??

 

[09237653]

Hard to believe, but I sense that he wasn't viewed as the buffoon we viewed him as, on the international stage. Most wouldn't have understood half the stuff he was even saying, and may have even believed he spoke well!

You serious? We're an international laughing stock thanks to Johnson, they see him for what he is.

 

[goatwack]

You serious? We're an international laughing stock thanks to Johnson, they see him for what he is.

That's not the impression I got from reading some German media, there's no mention of his idiosyncrasies, nor in the U.S press, but each to their own

 

[Mr_Slot5]

That's not the impression I got from reading some German media, there's no mention of his idiosyncrasies, nor in the U.S press, but each to their own

We were spun a yarn about him being a laughing stock and of course the left lapped it up. Which is kind of ironic as they’re always saying that Brexiters are the ones taken in by media propaganda.

 

[goatwack]

We were spun a yarn about him being a laughing stock and of course the left lapped it up. Which is kind of ironic as they’re always saying that Brexiters are the ones taken in by media propaganda.

He played the stoic statesman like the best of 'em when the need arose. People forget that he was calculating when he needed to be and had many faces.

The bumbling D.U.D.E shtick and affable persona he reserved mainly for us to get whatever done at that time. Brexit bravado, GE tub-thumping etc

 

[Guntis]

It was all looking so good too for the prodigal son. What a difference a party shunning makes!

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One more needs to go to this collection... lol

 

[dunover]

One more needs to go to this collection... lol

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I'm waiting for the Daily Mirror to tell us the security guy on the right is Kwasi Kwarteng moonlighting.

 

[Guntis]

I'm waiting for the Daily Mirror to tell us the security guy on the right is Kwasi Kwarteng moonlighting.

Despite my knowledge of how to stay safe online, I can't bring myself to check out the Daily Mirror. Every time I open that site they ask me to sign in and offer to signup for literally everything they have to offer.

 

[goatwack]

Prime Minister.....

......or divine being?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So today we will have our fifth Prime Minister in six years. History will show that something happened in 2016 to precipitate some of the quickest turnovers in UK PMs ever known in the country's entire history.

At the moment we're still trying to push a car with square wheels down the road and wondering why it's not moving, but pointing out the square wheels as the cause of the problem isn't on the mainstream political agenda yet.....

 

[goatwack]

2016? Why, what hap-

,,,,,ah..... yes. Harambe dying affected us all. R.I.P furry guy

(1999 - 2016)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A taking head from the party possibly the ERG (I saw it when watching the latest episode of this soap on anti-BBC news about 90 minutes - 2 hours ago) who confirmed it to the interviewer, and those 102 nominations set alarm bells ringing behind the scenes and concerted efforts were obviousy made against BJ to get him to withdraw. This corresponded with a massive hike in SuNAKE's confirmed nominations from 130-odd to nearly 200.

The 1922 Committee have now confirmed that Johnson did indeed just about scrape over the 100 nomination threshold, but according to IDS being interviewed on LBC (and other reports), he was properly having to beg for votes and scrabbling around. By all accounts he genuinely thought he'd be welcomed back as a knight in shining armour, but his previous lies, mendacity and disloyalty finally caught up with him.

He was also told he'd find it impossible to put together a functional cabinet, let alone a working government, and as a famous narcissistic coward who only takes on battles he knows he can comfortably win - even Johnson realised the game was up.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This is a dreary, depressing list of the challenges facing Sunak, and why he is very badly placed to tackle them.

I genuinely hope he can succeed, because if he succeeds the UK succeeds, and I want that for the UK, whatever political party is at the helm. Unfortunately Mr Murphy explains in some detail why the actions he could take that would help here, will be beyond his grasp.

It'll only take a few minutes to read down, I find it hard to argue with his conclusions.

 

[goatwack]

I mean, he's not exactly on the fence about this one. He thinks Sunak's a stooge and that we're all doomed, whilst the Tories ignore Brexit, Covid and Climate Change

 

[goatwack]

It's the Truss send-off, live. In years to come it'll be one of them "Where were you when it happened?" moments

edit: there she goes

 

[goatwack]

And for the finishing flourish, we have the aerial shots of her getting away, reminiscent of O.J

What a reign

 

[ChopleyIOM]

'I was right all along, we should carry on trying to do the things I had a go at and crashed the economy, I'm not saying sorry, here's a quote from a Roman philosopher oops I screwed it up, fuck you all, goodbye'.

 

[mack341]

"Economic justice campaigner" isn't that a descriptive way of saying 'socialist'?

 

[goatwack]

Quite heroic of Charles, lifting Sunak up off the carpet like that with one hand