Tin Foil Hat warning!

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OK though out all the years of gaming online we as players have seen and heard it all. We as gamblers have our very own superstitions. We also have our TIN FOIL HAT Theory's!

OK here goes mine that I have noticed at a casino I've been playing at:

Last month was one of my worst month ever in playing on line. I don't bitch I don't look for blame. It is gambling. Now that being said when you start losing bad you notice more things. These are my observations of what I noticed while on my losing streak. (you know its bad when live rep says omg you have had some really bad play and I am on your side).

OK when I am winning wheel or graphics on slot seem to spin average to fast speed. --when losing I will see delayed spins or get connecting issues.

Tin Foil hat theory-- when you are winning and get disconnected --then lose it all and go straight to zero balance and I mean you can't hit a bonus round to save your life-- you have been switched to losing server --- I know I said tin foil theory.

Now there can be many explanations for this to happen --slow server on there end, my end blahh blahh blahh but you do notice it big time when winning and then boom its like someone shut the lights off in the room and your hunting for the light switch.

Next thing I noticed-- when your winning and hit a bonus round -- normal spin play -- when your losing and hit bonus round then all of a sudden wheels skip or stop --then spin again at normal speed. -- TIN FOIL HAT theory -- the slot stoped a big payout that was gonna hit --and gave you smaller or losing spins.

Next thing I noticed and this is the one that is really bugging me -- because this would mean there is an individual player payback setting instead of general casino setting.

OK I got my balance up to or over 700$ 3 separate times. Meaning one time I had a balance of 735, 768, and 785... the moment I got to this balance all 3 times it did not matter what I played I went right to zero with balance. I tried all different bet sizes different slots and it did not matter. Now today again I got my balance up and over 300 this is 2nd time that after I got balance to that amount I went right to zero. We are talking dead spins big time!

So explanations theory's is this just in my head.. I don't know what to think of this? Is this possible?

I'm a long term member here and I would hate to start thinking like this but I swear to you it was like OK we gave you this amount and now we are not giving you anymore.

Has anyone else noticed this as well.

OK so put tin foil hat on and let the explanations begin. I figure worst case scenario is I will get a good math lesson and or just not play at this casino anymore.
 

aceking123

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you need dunover for the hat :D

been having some real poor play myself not so much at all casinos only seems to be the big MG casinos & flash its been like far too long cant hit shit & when youve already gone hundreds & hundreds of spins im just clocking the normal 10-30x wins , so that i can agree with , but if your hitting 700 odd your not losing which means its taking its run , if you see your on the downward spin , dont play save it for another day )
 

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1. The connection/slow spin: This is sometimes mentioned by players but there is nothing that supports this theory when it comes to how computers and servers work. BUT players mind work in special ways, they have even designed slots with eye candy to fool us. :) I have my own "ghosts" when playing and mine is as odd as yours, I think that stopping the reels at NetEnt destroy wins. :D This is not the case, but my mind is fooled...

2. The feature that stops or has a strange behaviour: Well, many players think that features are predetermined and I think this is the case at some softwares and not at others. If the feature is predetermined, the spins have to have a special connection to the game server because your personal software (or web reader if flash game) isn't supposed to have the whole result fromthe start. At MG this is visible when your overall balance is raisened before you have seen the feature yourself.

3. The wins disappears totally at every slot game you try after you have increased your balance too much: This is to me pure bollocks at reputable softwares, BUT I've seen it once at a non reputable casino/software in 2009. It was clear, it was awful. This time as well, when you reached 700 you had some luck. That luck is, just luck. Every new spin/slot has the same old House edge of around 5% and you are supposed to lose. When you then have less luck than usual, you begin to think as you did. That damn inbuilt casino guard that take my winnings...:what:

Solution:As always, go back to scratch! Lowrolling and decreased cashout levels! Cashout at 400 even if you feel lucky. Take that luck to next casino instead, where you deposit 25-50 and use same cashout level. Or with bonus, if you reach 700$, decide to lowroll as much as you can to reach WR and cashout.
 

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I get what everyone is saying trust me -- but sometimes its like a brick wall stopping you from winning.

Just tin foil banter helping me blow off some steam. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks like this sometimes.
 

aceking123

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I get what everyone is saying trust me -- but sometimes its like a brick wall stopping you from winning.

Just tin foil banter helping me blow off some steam. I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks like this sometimes.

heres a 3 weeks stat for my play mg & netent mainly mg 60.3% & 66.9% there abouts , netent is mainly two machines we all know those machines )
 

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I can see where you're coming from.
I was playing a deposit bonus the other day on IR, everything was 'as normal' a few half decent hits here and there and a few bonus rounds. then I hit this

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on the next spin, the reels didn't stop spinning for about 20 seconds, and after that i got 20 straight dead spins, and then dead spins with the odd little win (less than stake), and it ate my entire balance
 

aceking123

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I can see where you're coming from.
I was playing a deposit bonus the other day on IR, everything was 'as normal' a few half decent hits here and there and a few bonus rounds. then I hit this

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on the next spin, the reels didn't stop spinning for about 20 seconds, and after that i got 20 straight dead spins, and then dead spins with the odd little win (less than stake), and it ate my entire balance

maybe the case but look youve just hit a 100x bet ) ( well done ) you think your going to get another few of those within 20 dead spins not going to happen but you may well see another within a 100 spins , thats part of the gambling ups & downs , i would like to see those wins over the last 3 weeks believe me )
 

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you think your going to get another few of those within 20 dead spins not going to happen but you may well see another within a 100 spins , thats part of the gambling ups & downs

I didn't see anything better than 2 scatters in the next 300+ spins, like i say, it ate my balance right after that hit. that's a balance of £91.93 at 30p spins
 

aceking123

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I didn't see anything better than 2 scatters in the next 300+ spins, like i say, it ate my balance right after that hit. that's a balance of £91.93 at 30p spins

frustrating isnt it , ive seen 1000 plus spins at 90p & not had three scatters or a win above 20 times bet , so im aware of how brutal they can be )
 

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it is not just you!

I know what you are saying all to well. I have felt that way to. I am pretty sure I know which casino you are talking about. What you have stated I have seen also. I just put it off to my imagination, but now that you have stated it, I now know I wasn't dreaming.

My advice to you, take a break from the place, because the more you play and lose, the more frustrated you are going to be. It is not worth it. I have done just that. I was getting so frustrated when the wheels would stick and I would miss a full pay line when the reel that stuck would fall just 1 space above or below the payline. It was driving me crazy. Or I would get 4 wilds on the screen and get paid less than my bet because they didn't line up with anything. Can't tell you how many times that has happened in a session.

So I just stopped playing there. Actually everywhere at the moment, just not worth it. No matter the bet size, I could not get a thing. The hubby actually thinks that they have a win/loss type of thing. If your winning X amount of times over your deposits, then you will lose until you are about even. I can see why he thinks that, but I can't say I believe it 100%.

We all have our own theories, nothing wrong with that, but when my tin foil arrives, I would like a blue one please, because I look the best in blue. ;)

Good luck to you!! Hang in there.
LH
 

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Pretty certain I can figure out the casino with the chat consoling you. I am pretty certain I know one live chat that will do that. So now moving on based upon my assumption, this casino certainly is a love hate for players. I see more complaints about not winning at this casino than any other. I have said it before, the live chat and chat room have a role in people having to come here and vent their frustration. People are not allowed to complain, but they chat with each other until the blood is boiling and have to go somewhere to vent.

Some of the glitches with spins really could be caused by bad connection. It took me a few years to figure out how shitty of a connection I have. Its working fine but seems to have a hiccup every 30 minutes or sooner. It has caused all platforms to spin weird at times.

This losing streak is no different than any casino whether online or B&M. I think ive had it really bad online then go to a b&M and its worse and it makes me realize ANYTHING can happen.

Getting upset and frustrated is a normal thing, its just how you handle it that matters. Sit back, relax, don't play for a while and observe. Just look at how many people make a fool of themselves with all their whining and complaining. Its suppose to be entertainment, but when people get so upset it isn't fun anymore.
 

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OK though out all the years of gaming online we as players have seen and heard it all. We as gamblers have our very own superstitions. We also have our TIN FOIL HAT Theory's!

OK here goes mine that I have noticed at a casino I've been playing at:

Last month was one of my worst month ever in playing on line. I don't bitch I don't look for blame. It is gambling. Now that being said when you start losing bad you notice more things. These are my observations of what I noticed while on my losing streak. (you know its bad when live rep says omg you have had some really bad play and I am on your side).

OK when I am winning wheel or graphics on slot seem to spin average to fast speed. --when losing I will see delayed spins or get connecting issues.

Tin Foil hat theory-- when you are winning and get disconnected --then lose it all and go straight to zero balance and I mean you can't hit a bonus round to save your life-- you have been switched to losing server --- I know I said tin foil theory.

Now there can be many explanations for this to happen --slow server on there end, my end blahh blahh blahh but you do notice it big time when winning and then boom its like someone shut the lights off in the room and your hunting for the light switch.

Next thing I noticed-- when your winning and hit a bonus round -- normal spin play -- when your losing and hit bonus round then all of a sudden wheels skip or stop --then spin again at normal speed. -- TIN FOIL HAT theory -- the slot stoped a big payout that was gonna hit --and gave you smaller or losing spins.

Next thing I noticed and this is the one that is really bugging me -- because this would mean there is an individual player payback setting instead of general casino setting.

OK I got my balance up to or over 700$ 3 separate times. Meaning one time I had a balance of 735, 768, and 785... the moment I got to this balance all 3 times it did not matter what I played I went right to zero with balance. I tried all different bet sizes different slots and it did not matter. Now today again I got my balance up and over 300 this is 2nd time that after I got balance to that amount I went right to zero. We are talking dead spins big time!

So explanations theory's is this just in my head.. I don't know what to think of this? Is this possible?

I'm a long term member here and I would hate to start thinking like this but I swear to you it was like OK we gave you this amount and now we are not giving you anymore.

Has anyone else noticed this as well.

OK so put tin foil hat on and let the explanations begin. I figure worst case scenario is I will get a good math lesson and or just not play at this casino anymore.

OK hunny - other posters have answered your points and I cannot disagree with them, so e-mail me size and colour preference gold/silver and if you want the antenna too. :D
There is one you made which may have some credence. This is the 700$ one. Assuming you're pretty consistent with your play pattern and stakes one thing may explain it. IF your slots of choice have a lower spin requirement to hit TRTP then it's possible you have hit similar peaks/troughs on the RTP curve on separate occasions. It does happen and can happen on random games. This is why so often that big wins precede a run of bad gameplay and RTP correction.

We can often see this effect on HV slots especially - Twit Spin and Wanky Wobbits on Netbent often produce patterns like that.
 

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When in doubts, you have to wonder if it makes sense from a technical point of view.

With today's technology, would it make sense to have a "winning" and a "losing" server? Absolutely not, that's a total nonsense and IT people would be fired for only thinking about rigging the game by running two different servers. That's amateur stuff.

As for predetermined outcomes, would it make ANY sense to have predetermined outcomes when you can get the exact TRTP of a slot by stripping the reels? The answer is, of course, NO!
 

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When in doubts, you have to wonder if it makes sense from a technical point of view.

With today's technology, would it make sense to have a "winning" and a "losing" server? Absolutely not, that's a total nonsense and IT people would be fired for only thinking about rigging the game by running two different servers. That's amateur stuff.

As for predetermined outcomes, would it make ANY sense to have predetermined outcomes when you can get the exact TRTP of a slot by stripping the reels? The answer is, of course, NO!

Hey Balt! Don't be so stern with her, we've all had our 'tin foil' moments after an exceptionally lucky or unlucky run. At least she didn't blame 'the man sitting at the casino checking winnings and turning the RTP down' like some have on here...
 

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Hey Balt! Don't be so stern with her, we've all had our 'tin foil' moments after an exceptionally lucky or unlucky run. At least she didn't blame 'the man sitting at the casino checking winnings and turning the RTP down' like some have on here...

I'm not being stern, I'm trying to help :p

I too, tend to be paranoid about slots behaviour sometimes.
 

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I'm not being stern, I'm trying to help :p

I too, tend to be paranoid about slots behaviour sometimes.

Yeah, but at least you don't blame the mythical 'little man' controlling players' sessions. On Netbent I wholeheartedly agree with you.:thumbsup:
 

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I do find it interesting that when you are on a losing streak it seems like every casino you play at no matter what the software is will pay you crap. Then at other times you are on a winning streak and it just seems like you can't lose no matter where you play at. I had a decent session the other day at Casino LaVida and cashed out on Thursday evening so with that pesky pending period it sat around until I reversed it on Saturday. Now I don't normally reverse and it always ends badly for me but sometimes you get weak. Anyway had a great run and got my balance up to 800 however that is when the dreaded dead patch hit. I ended up losing it all (my own fault I know). I lost the vast majority on Avalon II cause i figured it just had to even out the rtp of the game and lets face it that game makes you want to keep playing in order to get to the next bonus round. Anyway I inquired with the casino afterwards and I played a total of 3.5k spins and my RTP was 20.92%:what: and ended with my balance being wiped out. So the moral of the story here is that once you start hitting a dead patch switch to a new slot or cashout. And of course don't hit the damn reverse button. Better yet stick with casinos that allow you to manual flush so you can't be tempted.
Also I wonder if you does your rtp follow you from slot to slot? Like if you have a big win on one slot and then switch to another will the rtp compensate by going dead? I didn't think so but that session had me wondering.

Darn it now I want a tinfoil hat:D
 

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LOL You all have made great points and as I stated these are just weird observations I noticed when losing. However I do sometimes wonder about a personal win/loss amount setting. Meaning if you lets say deposit 5000.00 for the month, lets say you get on a killer winning streak and now in one day your balance is 3000 - I wonder if there is a way for the casino to recognize how much you have spent against how much you are allowed to win?

I know it's nuts but when I get frustrated I put my tin foil hat on and sit in the corner.

I do appreciate peoples honesty here and no one offended me or was to harsh.

I kinda like the idea that some people do look and see the same things as me and have the same frustrated thoughts.

I do understand also that amount of spins played / the peaks and curves in winning/// Lets just say I'm in a valley hell no I fell off the earth right now. :D

I am taking a good break from the one casino waiting to talk to a manager tonight then I will most likely delete casino for a season.

Its just been strange and I don't like the feeling I have right now. I guess that is the best way to sum it up.

Thanks for making me feel better I do appreciate it.

Iv'e gone to the dark side now--- Luke Luke its Laya help me find our father !!!!!:D
 

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I must admit it goes like that. If you remember my 'dramatic turnaround at Guts' thread last April, I was getting hammered and 800 down (I lost my head that is an exceptional amount for me) and suddenly Wild Rockets clawed 700 back for me, followed by several hundred on TSII and then the Gems for 750 on BDBA - I cashed out a £1300 profit.
A short time later started a 6-month losing streak, small deposits wherever I played but I couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo. Then it turned around in December at Videoslots with a £1k profit in a weekend, won smaller at CasinoLuck, All British and then my 4-reels shitstorm on TSII at LaVida along with profits at Red Flush and a FL casino. Since December to now I'm nearly 3k up on small deposits - but now I'm still making small deposits and it's clear my run is over.

So yes, it does go like that - you win wherever you play then it turns to ratsh!t wherever you play. You could be forgiven for thinking your computer is on the same RTP curves whichever site you pick!
 

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It doesn't really help when CASINOS also believe this bullshine, and act against the "unusually lucky" player, such as bonus banning them for winning a progressive (RTG Random Jackpot), rather than because they are seen to engage in advantage play.

I even think Betway are deserving of a tin foil hat, as after my recent Hippo empty, they shifted my VIP status and bonuses from GNUF to Betway casino. Same games, same bonuses, and to prove the point, I got a £4000 Royal Flush there off my last £20 on Wednesday:p
 
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