Thrills - Max Bet on Bonuses very low??

[vinylweatherman]

When the max bet is proportional to the deposit size, then it is fine to think in credits, but since the max bet is static, you need to take into account the currency.

Here are couple examples, the more fair option is bolded



Just because pound players have option to get bigger deposit bonuses, doesn't mean that they should get higher max bet when the max bet is static. Nothing forces that pound player to take the full welcome bonus of 200 pound, he could just take 150 or 160 pound bonus that would be pretty close to 200 euro bonus and have same max bet as the people playing in euros with 200 euro bonus.


Of course you are free to dislike static max bets, but 3 of the Casinomeister top 6 casinos have static max bet in 5-8 euro range, as do many other well respected accredited casinos. So many people don't have any issues with static max bets.

You are failing to see the wood for the trees.

The static max bet should be the same for all currencies because the bet settings for the games are the same for all currencies. Absolute value doesn't come into it.

32Red has a static max bet of 6.25, but this does not change with currency, neither do the bonuses.

The old rules here were more draconian for UK players than for those elsewhere, in this respect they were not fair. Larger absolute bonus makes no difference, the WR is specified in credits not currency, so for a given WR amount, players in pounds can only bet £4, but players in other currencies can bet higher, which gives them a slightly better advantage over the UK player.

Above all, it's an unnecessary extra detail that can catch out players who are thinking in "credits", rather than "currency".

It has already caught out one player who thought the max was 5 credits because although he had read the rules, he had misremembered the detail and took the max bet as 5 credits across the board, rather than it being dependent on currency selected.

It has not caught out others because the rule is not usually applied. The problem with this is that it was really a "spirit of the bonus" rule, and it was applied only to those players deemed to have "not played within the spirit of the welcome bonus". This concept always leaves a grey area where players bet "recreationally", but their view of "recreational" is different from the views of most new players, so they are wrongly classed as "abusers".

A "new player" may actually be a player who has played for many years, and has grown confident enough to have a higher "recreational bet limit". The casino, having no idea whether the player is new to online casinos in general, or just new to them, could misinterpret the intent of a player who hits the ground betting high, because they are expecting "new players" to start out cautious, and then bet higher as they become more confident.

I could easily have been caught out here had the MGS fruit machines still been on Quickfire. The terms would limit me to 10p per line, whereas I would most likely hit the ground betting £5 a spin, or £2 if the bonus was under £100. I normally bet between £10 and £5.

Munchkins, I would probably start out on £4.50 or £5.25. Thunderstruck and other 9 liners probably around the £2 to £4 mark.

ALL my normal recreational play would have been way outside these terms in UK pounds, and other than the "ways" slots and those with large numbers of lines, I would have been caught out by the line limit too.

The result of me having spotted this term would have been to avoid, unless I was merely getting shot of some "small change" left in my Neteller account whilst waiting on some withdrawals. If I had the impression that the term applied to all bonuses, I would have ONLY played with the dregs left over from playing elsewhere. I would have no idea that the term was hardly ever enforced as this information isn't available on the website.

 

[aceking123]

i happen to note there nothing wrong with stating in my currency the max bet , were was told not long ago here its best you play in YOUR currency saves any trouble , thrills set it to be £4 quid , thats fine with me at least i know there not going to jump onto my back about my overall play on slots breaking the silly £0.1 bet )

even i didnt know about the term until hoof brought it up , they lost a couplr of deposit over the weekend from my due to this rule.

its now been cleared up & think thats realy good service quickly done & a nice rep here )

 

[vinylweatherman]

i happen to note there nothing wrong with stating in my currency the max bet , were was told not long ago here its best you play in YOUR currency saves any trouble , thrills set it to be £4 quid , thats fine with me at least i know there not going to jump onto my back about my overall play on slots breaking the silly £0.1 bet )

even i didnt know about the term until hoof brought it up , they lost a couplr of deposit over the weekend from my due to this rule.

its now been cleared up & think thats realy good service quickly done & a nice rep here )

Mathematically, it's actually best to play in the Dollar, because the max credit bet is $6. So long as you ignore currency and deposit the same numerical amount in Dollars as you would in Pounds, you have the advantage of being able to open with 50% higher bets in order to hit big.

To get a similar level of advantage for pounds, you have to think about currency and deposit 50% less than you would in dollars in order to have £4 be the same percentage of bankroll as $6. This is not how regular players think, it's the advantage players the rule is aimed at that will be thinking like this, and they will be circumventing the "spirit" of this rule by adjusting their deposits downward, and depositing more frequently in order to take the bonuses in smaller slices.

If this has not been happening, it's because they aren't getting hit by APs, rather than because the rule has been protecting them.

Perversely, the removal of this term may trigger renewed interest among APs, so they will need to make sure the replacement term covers them, but does not put off the players they want.

Casinos who use higher bet limits, be they 25% of bonus or £25, are not going to scare off the recreational players, most of whom have no intention of betting anywhere near that high. High rollers and APs are the ones who will get caught out, and only then if they don't read the terms.

 

[aceking123]

Mathematically, it's actually best to play in the Dollar, because the max credit bet is $6. So long as you ignore currency and deposit the same numerical amount in Dollars as you would in Pounds, you have the advantage of being able to open with 50% higher bets in order to hit big.

To get a similar level of advantage for pounds, you have to think about currency and deposit 50% less than you would in dollars in order to have £4 be the same percentage of bankroll as $6. This is not how regular players think, it's the advantage players the rule is aimed at that will be thinking like this, and they will be circumventing the "spirit" of this rule by adjusting their deposits downward, and depositing more frequently in order to take the bonuses in smaller slices.

If this has not been happening, it's because they aren't getting hit by APs, rather than because the rule has been protecting them.

Perversely, the removal of this term may trigger renewed interest among APs, so they will need to make sure the replacement term covers them, but does not put off the players they want.

Casinos who use higher bet limits, be they 25% of bonus or £25, are not going to scare off the recreational players, most of whom have no intention of betting anywhere near that high. High rollers and APs are the ones who will get caught out, and only then if they don't read the terms.

yer i understand what your saying . main thing is for me is uk pound & easy terms ,thats all im interested in quick payouts & good casino & reps who are around on here . that suits my playing needs ( not eveyones granted ) but there not a bad casino at the end of the day

 

[muziq]

i hope the rep erik come online often

he had promised me to look into something and im still awaiting his reply on it

its been almost a month

 

[Borgie]

i hope the rep erik come online often

he had promised me to look into something and im still awaiting his reply on it

its been almost a month

If a rep has been missing a month you must report it to Bryan or Max

 

[Tirilej]

If a rep has been missing a month you must report it to Bryan or Max

They are not accredited so I don't think Bryan cares

But I do know that Erik have to much to do sometimes so it's best to send him a few reminders.

 

[thenry14]

Of course you are free to dislike static max bets, but 3 of the Casinomeister top 6 casinos have static max bet in 5-8 euro range, as do many other well respected accredited casinos. So many people don't have any issues with static max bets.

Just because a casino is accredited by CM or rated in their "top 6" does not mean they are popular with players

Personally I would never deposit at a casino with such a low max bet, it makes them look like they cannot afford to pay big winners. Recreational players will likely fall foul of this draconian rule, and it penalises high stakes/VIP players. I dont have an issue with relative bet limits in relation to starting balance, and there are loads of casinos out there with 30% or no bet limits at all. I will be voting with my feet, there is too much competition out there.

 

[Erik]

i hope the rep erik come online often

he had promised me to look into something and im still awaiting his reply on it

its been almost a month

Hi Buddy

Super sorry for the late response, I have been out traveling most of October and i overestimated the quality of internet I would be able to use during my trip, and on to i also got my laptop smashed. But all my excuses aside, I am back in full force now and I have already sorted out your issue through PM

Regards
Erik

 

[Erik]

Regarding the 4/5/6 ration

Hi All

So i want to shed some light on the max bet limits we have on our signup bonuses. We have chosen the 4/5/6 ratio since it gives the 3 currencies (3 Cs) about the same absolute value around €5. We do believe this is the fairest way to go in the sense that none of the 3 Cs get absolute value advantage or dis-advantage over the other. For sure if you decide to max out the bonus then it will take "longer" to clear the bonus with GBP compared to USD, but you also receive a a larger absolute value bonus with the GBP. As mentioned above you can also choose not to max the bonus and you will have pretty much the exact same conditions regardless of the currency you choose. This way we feel that everyone gets a fair offer.

Since we state this pretty clearly in our T&C we have barely had any issues what so ever with people having a problem with this term. If we see that happening then ofciurse we will take it under review as we did the the line max bet above

If you have any questions or suggestion please write them here, or PM me.

Best Regards
Erik