So, if you spin Munchins at more than £1.50, you had fraudulent intentions right from the start, as the average player would instinctively play within the boundaries.
electronictonic got into trouble for doing 5 pound spins when 4 pound was the limit.
Many casinos have stupid stuff in their Terms and conditions that never gets actually enforced. There hasn't been any player report of this 0.1 bet line limit being enforced in the most draconian way. Since Thrills is mainly NetEnt casino, and NetEnt games are 90% 25 lines or under, if it was actually enforced, there would be a lot of whining.
1.2 pound/euro/dollar Starburst spin would be over this limit in theory, but we have yet not heard of a single instance of this rule being enforced in such a stupid way.
Well, this is also pretty minor, so if they make a fuss over a £5 spin, they will probably make a fuss over 12p per line too.
I can understand the problem because the line limit is set in "credits", and is always 0.1, yet the spin limit depends on the currency used to register the account, so you can spin 5 credits and 0.1 per line in one currency, but not in another.
5.0 per spin is STILL a valid limit in two of the three currencies, so is hardly a "major" breach, just like betting 0.12 per line isn't a "major breach".
If there have been so few complaints, and from the posts of others, it looks like they pick and choose on whom to enforce this term, rather than it being enforced across the board as written.
It may be that enforcement is much stricter for new players, but existing players are often given a pass. The problem is that at any time they can choose to enforce it on an existing player who has previously played and been paid in complete ignorance of the fact that they are routinely exceeding this limit, which means they can make unfair use of it in order to avoid paying out too much to regular players who end up getting one of those rare super lucky runs whilst routinely going over the limits that previously got overlooked by the casino when their wins were smaller.
Well, this is also pretty minor, so if they make a fuss over a £5 spin, they will probably make a fuss over 12p per line too.
I can understand the problem because the line limit is set in "credits", and is always 0.1, yet the spin limit depends on the currency used to register the account, so you can spin 5 credits and 0.1 per line in one currency, but not in another.
5.0 per spin is STILL a valid limit in two of the three currencies, so is hardly a "major" breach, just like betting 0.12 per line isn't a "major breach".
For what it's worth, I made very large bets with bonus money on slots and didn't have any problem withdrawing winnings after the bonus was wagered, just like on any other NetEnt casino.
More than these limits?
If so, the reason there are few complaints is that the rule is a "pick & choose who we enforce it on". It would appear that this rule is news to quite a few players who have been playing how they usually play, and breaching this rule on a regular basis, but getting paid in any case.
It looks very much like they are using this as a "spirit of the bonus rule", but disguising it as an absolute rule that all players are supposed to be following else they get into trouble.
No it's not. I didn't want you to scream even louder than you already do so I haven't told that it's different rules depending on whitch country you are from.
He is from Sweden. We don't have the same limits.
Now remember that they as well could have had higher wagering for some countries instead but I don't think they have that.
It's their choice. Still you haven't seen any complaints or?
That's rather odd. Most casinos think players from Sweden are among the worst for "bonus abuse".
Oh...you have to remember that many of these casinos are started by Swedish people. We probably trust eachother
Hi All
I have read through the thread and sorry i didnt jump in sooner to shed some light on the matter.
The Rule of the max bet of 0.1€/$/£ we added when we got hit by a wave of abusers in our early days, and was put there as a protection if we would be hit by similar abuse method again. We tried to limit the impact of the term aswell so it was only added to the first deposit bonus, and not to any other bonuses.
This is however a rule we almost never ever enforce for the simple reason that 99.9% of the players who breaks this terms are not abusers.
However with that said I fully understand why this term might scare some players of and the fact that we "don't enforce it" is not the same as it not being there, and there fore I have booked a meeting with the casino managers tomorrow to discuss what we can do with this term.
At Thrills and our sister casino Superlenny we are trying to be as straight forward and fair as possible. We have no intention of making it unnecessarily complicated for the players just so that they will fail on the T&C, quite the opposite to honest. We try to make it clear so that all players can enjoy our services with as few speed bumps as possible. Thats also why Im glad that you guy raise issues like this here at CM so we can take that feedback and hopefully improve our product for you.
I will comeback tomorrow with more info after I have talked to the casino Team
Regards
Erik
Hi All I have read through the thread and sorry i didnt jump in sooner to shed some light on the matter. The Rule of the max bet of 0.1€/$/£ we added when we got hit by a wave of abusers in our early days, and was put there as a protection if we would be hit by similar abuse method again. We tried to limit the impact of the term aswell so it was only added to the first deposit bonus, and not to any other bonuses. This is however a rule we almost never ever enforce for the simple reason that 99.9% of the players who breaks this terms are not abusers. However with that said I fully understand why this term might scare some players of and the fact that we "don't enforce it" is not the same as it not being there, and there fore I have booked a meeting with the casino managers tomorrow to discuss what we can do with this term. At Thrills and our sister casino Superlenny we are trying to be as straight forward and fair as possible. We have no intention of making it unnecessarily complicated for the players just so that they will fail on the T&C, quite the opposite to honest. We try to make it clear so that all players can enjoy our services with as few speed bumps as possible. Thats also why Im glad that you guy raise issues like this here at CM so we can take that feedback and hopefully improve our product for you. I will comeback tomorrow with more info after I have talked to the casino Team Regards Erik
but superlenny doesn't habe the 0.1$ rule or am i wrong?
Hi
We took the decision today to remove the Term and we will keep monitoring in case we get hit by abuse again. So for now going forward there is no per line max bet, it is just the standard max bet Terms that apply.
Thanks again for giving us this feedback and dont hesitate to PM me or post in this thread.
Regards
Erik
Is that still the £4/€5/$6 mix as this can also confuse players as one plays in "credits" at a casino, and the games don't care what currency they represent.
Now, if you are not going to stay in the UK market,
C'mon VWM - not sure what the case is with download casinos these days (as they tend to be very old fashioned), but most instant games (like Immortal Romance below) clearly states which currency you are playing in, so this rule should not be a problem at all.
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Betit Operations (Thrills and SuperLenny) has applied for a UK license - you should check them out. Great casinos
...many of my favourite MGS downloads are not sticking around, but migrating players to a very small number of remaining MGS downloads.
Yes, it is quite strange to see how many MGS downloads that are closing for UK players.
It is almost the opposite with NetEnt/Quickfire casinos where it seems like "everyone" has applied for a UK license (at least those big reputable casinos I play at).
Vera&John, Guts, ComeOn, Mr Green, LeoVegas, Thrills, SuperLenny to mention some (+ a bunch of Betsson casinos as well most likely).
They display the currencies, but it makes no difference to the RNG, so it should be a flat amount regardless of currency. It WAS a flat amount when it came to the line bet limit, so the argument is accepted in one case, but not the other.
Uhm, as it has been already pointed out in this thread, the line bet rule wasn't based on some reasoning based RNG, but it was just overkill rule that was only enforced on abusers.
Let's take for an example a bonus of 100% of up to 200 euro/pounds.
Player A deposits 200 euro.
Player B deposits 157 pounds.
Now if the max bet is 4 pounds/5 euro, both player A and B have the same deposit, same bonus and effectively same max bet size limits (157 pound = 200 euro, 4 pound = 5.1 euro).
Now if the max bet would be 5 pounds/5 euro, player B has bigger bet size limit eventhough both deposited the same and got the same bonus, so you could argue that 4 pound/ 5 euro is much more fair that 5 pound/ 5 euro limits.
Player A could just as easily deposit 157 Euro. Player B could just as easily deposit £200
The argument fails because bonuses are not driven by currency, but by absolute amounts in credits.
I don't think a UK player would deposit in odd increments just because they were playing in Pounds, I certainly don't.
I have played in pounds and dollars, and I deposit in "round numbers" no matter what the currency is. I usually round to the nearest £100, but I also round to the nearest $100 if that's the currency of play.
The rule as it stood was not particularly effective either, as smaller deposits could be "abused better" as the smaller the deposit, the larger in proportion was the permitted max bet.
Static max bet
4 pound / 5 euro
5 pound / 5 euro
Max bet proportional to deposit
Max bet 25% of deposit for euro players, 20% for people playing in pounds
Max bet 25% of deposit for all