The slow death of the online casino bonus

[polli123]

Hahaha, great offer!

 

[Valhalla]

I fully agree with you Bryan. I detest bonuses.
Deposit, play, win, lose, withdraw where applicable. No rules, no restrictions. It's the way it should be.

 

[SlotsLover]

I understand all the concerns but I like the bonuses. I also think that no bonus should come in automatically and this way the player has the choice. Bonuses are not really that complicated, greedy cheating casinos just take advantage. A group like ClubWorld (except for maybe their odd Aladdins intro bonus program) generally has no problems. Very simple rules for bonuses:

1. No max cashout on deposit bonuses. Not fair at all when playing slots to cap winnings.
2. No max bet rules that cannot be enforced by the software.
3. Adjust rollover to protect casino in the manner they wish to be.
4. Bonuses are never automatic.
5. Make clear when you redeem code the types of games that are allowed (don't mince and say some slots and allow the others to be played).
6. Disallowed games are not allowed by software or they don't count towards rollover or winnings get an additional rollover on these games. No games DQ's.

With these rules, there will rarely, if ever, be a problem.

The current issue with bonuses is mainly that when the casino wins they are happy but when the player wins, they think they are evil and "abusing bonuses." The casino operators have been trained to believe no one should ever win.

 

[kavaman]

This is my second post already in this thread, but i totally agree with slotslover. If the rules are laid out so that people can understand them, and bonuses are even separated to different categories it is a great experience to play with a bonus.

I also can understand why people wouldn't use a bonus. It is so that they can play whatever games they wish and can cash out whenever they wan't to. And thats perfectly fine with me, but id say half of the players would take a GOOD bonus if there was one laying around . I personally play without bonuses and with them. So i prefer both. But bonuses are not what kills the industry...

 

[K2C]

Here are some quick stats of various ugly bonus terms, based on the sample of 941 SUBs in 381 casinos from my database:

Bonus is sticky (not cashable) 50%
Cashout limit imposed 10%
No table games allowed for WR 32%
No videopoker games allowed for WR 40%
No progressive slots allowed for WR 4%
Playing a not allowed game also voids winnings 48%
Using the "Double" feature voids winnings 18%
Making no-risk bets voids winnings 56%
Making an oversized bet voids winnings 57%
Bonus abuse (at casino discretion) voids winnings 50%
At least one of the above reasons voids winnings 94%

I have not pulled the stats for the trend, but I can assure you all that those percentages are increasing over time.
I only included the bonuses requiring a deposit, things are much worse with NDBs. And there are also other terms beyond the above list.


Bryan, asking casinos to take down or somehow hide the SUBs won't work I am afraid; it goes against of all game theory and social science postulates and findings, of which the

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is probably the best example. If all casinos cooperate they all will probably benefit, but if some do and others do not, those others would benefit dramatically on the account of the cooperative ones, therefore their best strategy would be not to cooperate and keep flashing the SUBs.

A better idea might be asking casinos to put all the important bonus terms under the same template and make it easily available on their bonus pages, so that it would take a regular player minutes, not hours to figure out what is allowed and what is not. Then you may want to increase the rating of those casinos which present clear bonus terms, or even make it a pre-requisite of the accreditation sometime in the future.

As someone who had read and processed many casinos' T&C I would be happy to help in this crusade.

 

[MaryJean]

I have not read ALL of the postings in this thread, but I get the idea.

I'd like to add one bonus that I think is Utterly Obnoxious.

The bonus with X number of FREE spins---usually at 1 penny per spin and THEN
to REQUIRE that the winnings of those FREE spins be played---at some casinos
at 60X the winnings of the FREE spins as if that is non-deposit money, when all
along you could not have taken the deposit/bonus without the FREE spins.

And even the casinos that only require the same amount of multiple as the original
bonus requires, add these winnings to your deposit/bonus and you suddenly have
more quota to play through.

It is a Trap through and through----LOVE that generosity of the FREE gift!

MaryJean

 

[Lucky Loser]

I generally deposit a few hundred $ at online casinos everyday and only play at those with reasonable bonus T&Cs. Very rarely do I play without a bonus as I like the extended playtime and the chance to bet higher which leads to much bigger wins

I haven't joined a new casino for at least 12 months as I get offered enough reload bonuses from a small group of casinos that I trust and play at regularly. If I was looking for a new casino a good match bonus for me is an absolute MUST. I wont bother trying them otherwise.

For example, I got an email from Redbet yesterday offering a 30% reload bonus which I normally would take, but with the new 25xD&B I wont touch it. As a result they have lost my business forever.

 

[Stovetopp]

I have not read ALL of the postings in this thread, but I get the idea.

I'd like to add one bonus that I think is Utterly Obnoxious.

The bonus with X number of FREE spins---usually at 1 penny per spin and THEN
to REQUIRE that the winnings of those FREE spins be played---at some casinos
at 60X the winnings of the FREE spins as if that is non-deposit money, when all
along you could not have taken the deposit/bonus without the FREE spins.

And even the casinos that only require the same amount of multiple as the original
bonus requires, add these winnings to your deposit/bonus and you suddenly have
more quota to play through.

It is a Trap through and through----LOVE that generosity of the FREE gift!

MaryJean

I totally agree! This is the biggest scam of all. You get free spin and if you win its 60x the winnings before you can collect...Its a joke and wish there was some way to "penalize: the casinos that do this! DONT EVER TAKE THE FREE SPIN ESPECIALLY IF ITS AWARDED AFTER A BONUS PLAY SKIP THIS type

 

[spintee]

I generally deposit a few hundred $ at online casinos everyday and only play at those with reasonable bonus T&Cs. Very rarely do I play without a bonus as I like the extended playtime and the chance to bet higher which leads to much bigger wins

I haven't joined a new casino for at least 12 months as I get offered enough reload bonuses from a small group of casinos that I trust and play at regularly. If I was looking for a new casino a good match bonus for me is an absolute MUST. I wont bother trying them otherwise.

For example, I got an email from Redbet yesterday offering a 30% reload bonus which I normally would take, but with the new 25xD&B I wont touch it. As a result they have lost my business forever.

I got the same email, D&B is a joke, These sort of bonus should binned altogether, What happened to the 50% reload we as all promised in the other thread? and getting rid of the 30%? Still even 50% I would not touch with wager on D&B

 

[MightyDuck]

I don not see the end of the SUB - not even a trend.

However you see a dramatical decrease of the quality of the bonus. I agree with many here: Taking a good bonus from time to time is nice to extent your playtime and to test new games but if you are the occasional gambler like me and you want to have some fun without any strings attached a straight deposit without bonus is best.

K2C your statistic was very instructive. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[Contraband]

I wouldn't bother signing up to a casino without a sign up bonus. I also don't play if a casino never has reloads or comp points or some other promo. They make it fun and you get more playing time out of your deposits. It's the advantage online casinos have over land based casinos, without them I'd play at my local casino more often even though I don't drink so free drink comps are worthless to me.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I don not see the end of the SUB - not even a trend.

However you see a dramatical decrease of the quality of the bonus. I agree with many here: Taking a good bonus from time to time is nice to extent your playtime and to test new games but if you are the occasional gambler like me and you want to have some fun without any strings attached a straight deposit without bonus is best.

K2C your statistic was very instructive. Thanks for sharing this.

What might get rid of it is regulators cracking down on misleading or dishonest representations of the SUB. Honesty would start to show players how BAD these offers can be when regulations prevent them from being "spun" by clever marketing, and important terms squirreled away under the more obscure headings of the general terms rather than clearly shown alongside the other, more positive, bonus terms and advertising copy. Casinos would face having to ditch the nasty terms, or announce them in a most obvious fashion. If they are to ditch them, they will have to make the offers worse, or find a new way to drive fresh traffic to their sites.

Ideally, an alternative to the SUB needs to be one that cannot get hammered by the smart players, but that also does not need a short novel to be read for the terms and conditions. The naïve player should also be able to simply deposit and play without having to worry about falling foul of the terms, with only the really clever players who might seek to hack the client or play in VERY unusual ways in order to gain an advantage ever having to worry about breaking any terms.

 

[nikantw]

What might get rid of it is regulators cracking down on misleading or dishonest representations of the SUB. Honesty would start to show players how BAD these offers can be when regulations prevent them from being "spun" by clever marketing, and important terms squirreled away under the more obscure headings of the general terms rather than clearly shown alongside the other, more positive, bonus terms and advertising copy. Casinos would face having to ditch the nasty terms, or announce them in a most obvious fashion. If they are to ditch them, they will have to make the offers worse, or find a new way to drive fresh traffic to their sites.

Ideally, an alternative to the SUB needs to be one that cannot get hammered by the smart players, but that also does not need a short novel to be read for the terms and conditions. The naïve player should also be able to simply deposit and play without having to worry about falling foul of the terms, with only the really clever players who might seek to hack the client or play in VERY unusual ways in order to gain an advantage ever having to worry about breaking any terms.

I Agree. Regulation is needed. Players need protection. That is also why bonuses are useful. Small depositors (with low income), 20-100 a month, need a way to get their fair share of playtime. With 20 a month you may get a year of 20% RTP easily, that’s some pretty crappy playtime. Getting a bonus could double that (40% RTP) or better, with no harm to the casino (small or 0 chance for withdrawal). So no, I don’t see their death. Change yes, death no.

But I can’t think of a way to keep bonus abusers away, other than better authentication process. Maybe one processor that would authenticate all players before they sign up at any casino.

 

[Zabier]

An interesting read. I first started off in the gambling market with online poker and bookmakers. I quickly found out that they weren't as good as they proposed to be. Ever since I've been playing at online casinos I've just been very ignorant to online casino bonuses partly due to my personal experiences in other areas but also because of the shared stories by other players. I think players would rather a free 10p with no strings attached than a 100% no deposit bonus that has huge layers of sub clauses and rules to it.

 

[Melloweitsj]

I also must admit that it is good to see that some of the casinos are starting to find alternative ways to entice their players to signup to their site. Although I do not have anything against the bonuses personally, I still feel it is kinda unethical and preying on those that are easily mislead.

For me the bonuses serves one purpose: let's me play for longer. I play poker and bet on sports semi-professionally, but if I want to relax and not think so much I sometimes head to the slots and I just want to click some buttons without thinking much. With a bonus I can play for longer which is what I want. I am not looking to (or expecting) to win a lot of money. I see it more like doing something fun, while at the same time getting a small thrill of maybe hitting a big jackpot. The days of "free" money from bonuses are long gone and I think they are now at the point they were initially meant to be: a means to let players get to try out the casino for real money without having to break their own bank.

As for a solution I am not sure, but I have seen some good mentions here; bonuses that works like a safety net (i.e. if you win you can just forfeit your bonus, but if you lose you can continue to play with bonus money), cash back or maybe higher RTP on the machines?

I doubt the use of signup bonuses (and other forms of bonuses) are going to go away as it is such a great marketing ploy to utilize. It is much easier to market a casino that offers you 4 times your deposit in bonus money rather than a casino that promises a RTP of 99% or higher for example. The last one is a great deal, but is really "boring" for your average player I would figure.

 

[jakov07]

Hi to all

Simmo's and Casinomeister's articles are I will say hot potato them. Bonuses in last years are almost impossible to wagering. I use it only as a free money in tournaments as for example on bet voyager casino and I totally agree with Casinomeister that bonuses are do more damage then benefits to both players and casinos.

best regards to all

 

[butterflyboogie]

Sign Up Bonuses

I personally agree with the "lack luster" of sign up bonuses. Too many rules and regulations; after all, who really wants to read a book before they play? power at the idea of "surprise cash" just popping up on your screen. Or how about after a bad run you get a pop up that says "try again" just say up to a certain amount with out any rules. For instance, you deposited $50, you didn't hit, and this screen pops up? I am not talking about every time either...just random. Another idea....send the player something...a box of chocolates...cigars...etc. Let the consumer fill out a small survey as to his or her likes. I have had an advertising business for 31 years; it pays to know your clientele. Every person likes a present. I believe it is all about the casino knowing their client; keep things interesting and they come back. For the players, make it more interesting... prize giveaways...the higher the level of the player, the more lucrative the gift. I have a lot of ideas however I will stop at that.

 

[goatwack]

It's become ridiculous at so many sites now, I am noticing casinos constantly updating their terms to include FU clauses almost everywhere!

Take one site I play at regularly, I thought I'd have a cursory glance at the terms I'd agreed to a million times before and......the bastards have only increased the WR x 10!!

I was rather annoyed about that to be fair, it's almost like it's become all the rage overnight to find new and inventive ways to screw players over. What the hell are they so afraid of all of a sudden to demonize players? It seems I'm better off going to loan sharks, their T&Cs seem a lot clearer:Read:

I can't even believe some of the stories I have heard on these boards about how 10+ years ago casinos gave you a bonus with say two or three times playthrough!

The way the industry is headed I can see 40x becoming the mainstay, and it wouldn't shock me to see 50- 60 in ten years' time

RIP bonuses, I loved thee (once)

 

[Realitybitez]

I dont get into deposit bonuses, mmmm well that depends. I dont mind taking the 32 Red deposit bonuses because I have cracked the wagering a few times on there so I know it is possible hehe.

I mainly prefer free chips. Therefore no strings, you either crack it or you dont I have been bugging the 2 casinos I play at most lately for free chips but thats just because I put a heck of a lot of money in them and its really just to play with when Im on my broke buzz which seems to be alot lately

In fact, I think I'll go bug them now lol

 

[rena35]

good luck

 

[Stovetopp]

I dont get into deposit bonuses, mmmm well that depends. I dont mind taking the 32 Red deposit bonuses because I have cracked the wagering a few times on there so I know it is possible hehe.

I mainly prefer free chips. Therefore no strings, you either crack it or you dont I have been bugging the 2 casinos I play at most lately for free chips but thats just because I put a heck of a lot of money in them and its really just to play with when Im on my broke buzz which seems to be alot lately

In fact, I think I'll go bug them now lol

WELL, at least tonight you can watch Canada play New Zealand in womens soccer. I think canada waz ROBBED in the last OLYMPICS giving the GOLD to USA. I AM ASSUMING YOU WILL HAVE BUSTED ON YOUR FREE CHIP BY THEN

 

[Geddes333]

Thank you!!

Did a little write-up on bonuses, and why their days are numbered:
https://www.casinomeister.com/bonus-offers/

This was inspired by Simmo!'s opinion piece on his site "The Funeral Of The Casino Signup Bonus". You can read this here:

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Please read these, think about it, and then continue with this thread.

I've never liked SUBs, and I am absolutely convinced that they need to be laid to rest. I'll be doing my part in asking Accred Casino reps to put on their thinking caps and try to steer away from this method of marketing. We're going to be looking at other positive aspects of gaming - focusing more on the games and other attributes that casinos can offer than offering a SUB. At this point in time, bonuses and their convoluted rules have just gotten a bit too much.

I'd like to hear from the community about any creative solutions that would replace the SUB.

Thank you this has helped me decide on opting out of bonuses.

 

[catapultaudio]

I've come to the opinion that SUB are a complete waste of time UNLESS they are the 2nd chance ones like Mr Green ,Betat do.They are a no brainer, .

Could any members advise on which other casinos have this type of bonus ? Or any other kind of especially player friendly promotions or bonus deals? I think that would provide an interesting angle to this debate

 

[dinahbrand]

This is interesting because I stopped using many bonuses, especially the so called "free" bonuses. There are only a few casinos that give loyalty or appreciation bonuses that are decent and have fewer restrictions. I have ignored many so called free bonuses because they just weren't worth using with all the restrictions. It would really annoy me to win and then be told I could only withdraw $50.

 

[Przecinek]

In this competitive market casinos need to have some form of edge. Imagine I want to start a new casino business. How else will I be able to attract customers if not with SUBs? Most players have already established their favorite outfits and have no real interest in trying out some new, potentially dogdy casino. Cashbacks, freespins are in the essence also a form of a bonus.

I agree rules these days seems more and more convulted. Players often accuse casinos of using bonuses on purpose as a bait, but what is the alternative?

 

[Adriana B]

To me there are two schools of thought on bonuses. For example, I deposited $10 last Friday and was given a 150% bonus + 100 free spins. Almost impossible to make WR but I have been playing daily since last Friday. My initial deposit of $10 would have disappeared within the hour anyway. I started winning on the bonus and playing games I wouldn't normally win. Have $40 left but it's still all bonus. I probably will not make WR but I did get a lot of entertainment for $10 with the hope that I just might be able to make a withdrawal.

 

[Casino2014man]

I have no idea how I missed this thread. Here is my view:

Personally, I never take bonuses unless they are wager free, or something very low. I play to win, and I like to up my bets when I want, play some roulette/BJ if I fancy it and cashout when I get the right feeling. Sometimes I turn £50 into £1000 and want to do some random £20+ bets here and there. Try that with a bonus!

I do not want to end up worrying that a bonus has voided my withdrawal due to any of the above. Also, when withdrawing after using a bonus, the WD always takes longer.

Personally, the ONLY bonuses I want to see are those of the likes offered by Thrills, Guts, Betspin and more that offer FREE SPINS with NO Wagering. Either that, or the ZERO wagering cashback from betvictor/stanjames that are currently on offer. This is the only kind of bonus that will make me deposit these days.

You do not win very often in all honesty, and when you do, it should be a happy experience, not a worrying stressful one, especially where 35x wagering is involved

Oh, and regarding casino bonuses - this is only my opinion - but I think many casinos use them to target players who are new to online gaming, not clued up, and quite honestly, screw over-able.

Take my father. He only recently started playing an odd bit here or there online. I found out he was taking deposit bonuses at SuperCasino, Hippodrome and the like. I asked if he had any idea the rules/terms/wagering involved and he had not a clue. When I told him about the 40x wagering on the bonus he had just taken he nearly fell off his chair!

I agree that bonuses like this need consigning to a very unfortunate history, and I have definitely noticed a trend in casinos offering more varied bonuses.

In an idea world, my ideal bonus would be a set number of free spins in proportion to your deposit. These would not be minimum bet if you deposit say £200 - think thrills super spins.

 

[Nightwolf]

I have no idea how I missed this thread. Here is my view:

Personally, I never take bonuses unless they are wager free, or something very low. I play to win, and I like to up my bets when I want, play some roulette/BJ if I fancy it and cashout when I get the right feeling. Sometimes I turn £50 into £1000 and want to do some random £20+ bets here and there. Try that with a bonus!

I do not want to end up worrying that a bonus has voided my withdrawal due to any of the above. Also, when withdrawing after using a bonus, the WD always takes longer.

Personally, the ONLY bonuses I want to see are those of the likes offered by Thrills, Guts, Betspin and more that offer FREE SPINS with NO Wagering. Either that, or the ZERO wagering cashback from betvictor/stanjames that are currently on offer. This is the only kind of bonus that will make me deposit these days.

You do not win very often in all honesty, and when you do, it should be a happy experience, not a worrying stressful one, especially where 35x wagering is involved

Oh, and regarding casino bonuses - this is only my opinion - but I think many casinos use them to target players who are new to online gaming, not clued up, and quite honestly, screw over-able.

Take my father. He only recently started playing an odd bit here or there online. I found out he was taking deposit bonuses at SuperCasino, Hippodrome and the like. I asked if he had any idea the rules/terms/wagering involved and he had not a clue. When I told him about the 40x wagering on the bonus he had just taken he nearly fell off his chair!

I agree that bonuses like this need consigning to a very unfortunate history, and I have definitely noticed a trend in casinos offering more varied bonuses.

In an idea world, my ideal bonus would be a set number of free spins in proportion to your deposit. These would not be minimum bet if you deposit say £200 - think thrills super spins.

You are right.

The story of your father reminds me of my friend, who also didn't read the terms. I think it is really common nowadays, that people don't read them and casinos use it to gain more money. Of course there are some "fair" casinos like you said, but in fact each of them has a lot of tricks to gain more and more money. The only think we can do is be aware of that and protect other people.

 

[smokeeye]

Could any members advise on which other casinos have this type of bonus ? Or any other kind of especially player friendly promotions or bonus deals? I think that would provide an interesting angle to this debate

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Better late then never, I guess.

 

[daisy123]

club world has the answer

club world group offers a 50% return if you loss a deposit,,, granted there are limits on this but at least you get to play with your own money initially with no "rules" but if you loss there is still a shot! the money back is 10x playthru - very reasonable- with 10x cap on cash out ( pretty normal). I like their style!

 

[AndiMaldita]

In some ways it is effective, but most of the online casinos have the same sign-up bonus.

 

[ProbabilityZero]

I had always loved bonuses for added playtime and the challenge of meeting WR.

But I've realised now that less playtime and knowing exactly what your real balance is outweighs this. I will only take bonus now if a casino offers an EV+ incentive bonus. Otherwise I prefer to know exaxmctly where I stand and it stops me rushing through play

 

[Jono777]

Ironic and not a tin foil moment but I always find I get a great start and some good hits if I've taken a SUB/reload but crash out towards middle / end of WR.

Cash only deposits, most times I may as well type in my PIN and leave the notes hanging out the cash point!

 

[ProbabilityZero]

Ironic and not a tin foil moment but I always find I get a great start and some good hits if I've taken a SUB/reload but crash out towards middle / end of WR.

Cash only deposits, most times I may as well type in my PIN and leave the notes hanging out the cash point!

Yup sometimes I wonder why I don't just quit but truth is I miss the buzz when I take a break. Thankfully I seem to be controlling spending quite well though.

 

[Adriana B]

Hey Jon. You hit the nail on the hammer. Couldn't agree more. Every time I take a bonus I have a great win only to lose it all due to WR. Decided to do otherwise this weekend and deposited without bonus. Guess what -- busted out again (on DOA this time). No funds left so I will be looking for freebies.

 

[dave1888]

No bonus Casino

Going to mention this as it's very relevant here. There is a casino called No bonus Casino right now they only offer Netent and a couple other lesser known vendors but they are a good casino. You get 10% cashback(in real cash on deposits) if you lose your money as long as you don't do anything untoward that deems you an abuser of the good nature of the casino. You also earn loyalty points when you have 50 points, yes only 50 points and you can claim €5 this is great if you ask me. I'd be interested to know how quick they are with the cashouts does anybody know? It's the same crowd as All Irish, all british etc casinos. So anyone who wants never to be tied down to bonus terms and always wagering free. Join up

 

[Jono777]

Going to mention this as it's very relevant here. There is a casino called No bonus Casino right now they only offer Netent and a couple other lesser known vendors but they are a good casino. You get 10% cashback(in real cash on deposits) if you lose your money as long as you don't do anything untoward that deems you an abuser of the good nature of the casino. You also earn loyalty points when you have 50 points, yes only 50 points and you can claim €5 this is great if you ask me. I'd be interested to know how quick they are with the cashouts does anybody know? It's the same crowd as All Irish, all british etc casinos. So anyone who wants never to be tied down to bonus terms and always wagering free. Join up

Easier said than done, I've made a good handful of deposits at one of their sister casinos (All British), never withdrawn anything and had mostly poor sessions and I still do not have enough to redeem for the £5'er.

I'm guessing it works the same but it seemed to me that you only earn points on deposits not on wagers made so One point per tenner deposited = £500 for a £5er.

They do have some decent promos and a good rep on here but IMO it is one of my unluckier casinos where I busted pretty fast so gave up in the end. Another experienced member on here tells us that their cash outs times are really quick (always like to end on a +)

 

[paul7388]

For people that like bonuses without huge wagering William Hill does a good bonus very weekend now.

Its only on their vegas games but theirs loads of good slots in there and many are exclusive.

Its for small depositers and you get a 100% match up to £20. You need to opt in tho but playthroughs only 10x the bonus. So deposit £20 have £40 to play with and playthroughs only £200. To me its one of the few bonuses I will actually take.

 

[dave1888]

Easier said than done, I've made a good handful of deposits at one of their sister casinos (All British), never withdrawn anything and had mostly poor sessions and I still do not have enough to redeem for the £5'er.

I'm guessing it works the same but it seemed to me that you only earn points on deposits not on wagers made so One point per tenner deposited = £500 for a £5er.

They do have some decent promos and a good rep on here but IMO it is one of my unluckier casinos where I busted pretty fast so gave up in the end. Another experienced member on here tells us that their cash outs times are really quick (always like to end on a +)

Damn you are right. But still with minimum deposit of only 10€ no charges. It's still sweet and they sometimes offer double cash back to celebrate new slot releases. The reason I was sure it was based on wagering is because I didn't think I'd put 250€ in there! This is over a 2 year or so period though! Still quite stunned...

 

[amatrine]

I like things in the mail. Maybe for loyal players, send gifts instead. I love what Club world did this Christmas . I find the free bonuses have small 5 times cash out or something, and not worth much in relative to what I deposit. I like the bonus on my birthday though.

As far as Sign up bonus, I also have where I play pretty much grained in stone, lol.

Maybe they need them to attract new players. They could just as easily scare away a new player. I have senior neighbors that want to play. I told them what was safe to play, and had to explain to 70 some year olds about bonus rules. They still do not get it.

Ama

 

[Ntarvi]

That was a good read and I agree with most of it as I rarely bother with bonuses. Deposit and lose what I can without all the conditions of a bonus.

But taking the membership here in general I feel most will disagree. The ideas and reasons in your post are great but so many members here post repeatedly that they wont deposit without bonuses. There are so many posts where players leave a casino as soon as they stop getting bonuses or only deposit at the casinos offering best bonus on the day.

And from reading the regular input a lot of players will not even sign up to a casino unless it has a great welcome bonus available.

Personally i wouldn't care if places I play never give a bonus. In fact as I regularly use bookmaking sites casinos as I like the sports betting and they have majority of slots I like I spend most money there and most times there are no bonuses available anyway.

But it would be great if their was a way to reward players for loyalty rather than giving match bonuses all the time.

I agree with you, and probably I`m the person wo will not prefe casino without bonuses..I think it is the great promotion that move each casino forward and without bonuses and prises it will die as soon as the other casinos will give this ability to win something without paying money..The psychology is simple enough. People shoul think about casino "If they give me such generous prizes without paying money, so I can`t even imagine what a treasures are waiting or my if I`ll make the deposit"))

 

[Paulstev]

I've noticed it too.

Thanks for the info!

 

[Ntarvi]

I've noticed it too.

Thanks for the info!

I have many times caught casinos cheating, so you can ask me..You are welcome)

 

[L&L-Jan]

Going to mention this as it's very relevant here. There is a casino called No bonus Casino right now they only offer Netent and a couple other lesser known vendors but they are a good casino. You get 10% cashback(in real cash on deposits) if you lose your money as long as you don't do anything untoward that deems you an abuser of the good nature of the casino. You also earn loyalty points when you have 50 points, yes only 50 points and you can claim €5 this is great if you ask me. I'd be interested to know how quick they are with the cashouts does anybody know? It's the same crowd as All Irish, all british etc casinos. So anyone who wants never to be tied down to bonus terms and always wagering free. Join up

Thanks for the mention of No Bonus Casino which does exactly what it says on the tin:
You always play with your own money and if you are not lucky enough to win a cashback of 10% is coming up. Currently we are building the "My Cashback" system that enables you to redeem your cashback when you prefer while at this moment the cashback are credited every morning between 10AM and 12PM (CET). We believe that by giving the customer more control over their cashback this will increase the quality of our primary service.

Next to Net Ent you can play Amatic games - might be lesser known for you but Amatic used to be focussed on landbased casinos and recently made the transision to online. The games are very popular in Germany, Austria, Eastern Europe, Russia and South America. But our portfolio will expand very soon. All Amatic games have a fixed RTP of 96% and the majority of the games are high variance.

The loyalty program basically adds another 1% in cashback. This doesnt sound like a lot but every now and than we increase the amounts of points you receive upon a deposit by x10.

Withdrawals are processed every morning from Monday to Friday.

The reason why we have launched No Bonus Casino is because we believe there is an increasing demand for casinos that focus on cashbacks and who offer a user friendly interface and great service. Players all over the world have been and are punished by complicated bonus terms and conditions or they just dont view a bonus as something positive due to wagering requirements. The majority of the online casinos (visible for a player from the outside) offer these kind of players no bonuses or compensations. We do, with always 10% cashback.

Personally I'm a player who does not play with bonuses. That is also the reason why I believe No Bonus Casino is such a great product. It's very unfortunate that due to a massive player base of abusers in the online casino landscape, the casinos had to implement terms and conditions to protect themselves from these kind of players. The regular player is getting punished for this and that is very sad.

It's not only due to the players but also due to the market that has become extremely competitive. New casinos are launched almost every day and as a result the player value for an individual online casino will decrease heavily. Therefore the gross margin becomes less and as a casino you prefer to receive as much money as possible and as less money going out. Terms and conditions that a casino can apply towards an individual account enables them to let the gross margin grow.

It's a competitive market and at the moment this doesn't improve the quality of the services provided by online casinos. I'm confident that regulations and sites like CM, POGG, Askgamblers will improve the quality of the online casinos in the longrun.

Towards the future I'm sure that the welcome bonuses will remain as an incentive for new players. But regular promotions will decrease and the comps will be used towards the most loyal players.

Kr.

 

[Ntarvi]

Without bonuses casinos will not exist at all..

 

[petro]

I've never liked SUBs...

I read your article on bonuses and the main point you made was that they cause problems.
I think simplifying the incentives would be a good alternative as a lot of problems are caused because of the complexity of bonuses.

 

[hhhelllo]

Thanks for the mention of No Bonus Casino which does exactly what it says on the tin:
You always play with your own money and if you are not lucky enough to win a cashback of 10% is coming up. Currently we are building the "My Cashback" system that enables you to redeem your cashback when you prefer while at this moment the cashback are credited every morning between 10AM and 12PM (CET). We believe that by giving the customer more control over their cashback this will increase the quality of our primary service.

Next to Net Ent you can play Amatic games - might be lesser known for you but Amatic used to be focussed on landbased casinos and recently made the transision to online. The games are very popular in Germany, Austria, Eastern Europe, Russia and South America. But our portfolio will expand very soon. All Amatic games have a fixed RTP of 96% and the majority of the games are high variance.

The loyalty program basically adds another 1% in cashback. This doesnt sound like a lot but every now and than we increase the amounts of points you receive upon a deposit by x10.

Withdrawals are processed every morning from Monday to Friday.

The reason why we have launched No Bonus Casino is because we believe there is an increasing demand for casinos that focus on cashbacks and who offer a user friendly interface and great service. Players all over the world have been and are punished by complicated bonus terms and conditions or they just dont view a bonus as something positive due to wagering requirements. The majority of the online casinos (visible for a player from the outside) offer these kind of players no bonuses or compensations. We do, with always 10% cashback.

Personally I'm a player who does not play with bonuses. That is also the reason why I believe No Bonus Casino is such a great product. It's very unfortunate that due to a massive player base of abusers in the online casino landscape, the casinos had to implement terms and conditions to protect themselves from these kind of players. The regular player is getting punished for this and that is very sad.

It's not only due to the players but also due to the market that has become extremely competitive. New casinos are launched almost every day and as a result the player value for an individual online casino will decrease heavily. Therefore the gross margin becomes less and as a casino you prefer to receive as much money as possible and as less money going out. Terms and conditions that a casino can apply towards an individual account enables them to let the gross margin grow.

It's a competitive market and at the moment this doesn't improve the quality of the services provided by online casinos. I'm confident that regulations and sites like CM, POGG, Askgamblers will improve the quality of the online casinos in the longrun.

Towards the future I'm sure that the welcome bonuses will remain as an incentive for new players. But regular promotions will decrease and the comps will be used towards the most loyal players.

Kr.

Is the cashback on no bonus casino wager free?

 

[L&L-Jan]

Is the cashback on no bonus casino wager free?

Correct! To be honest: We dont even know what wagering or a bonus is

 

[world in game]

One has to read attentively the rules, how to get the bonus. There are some pretty attractive, but mostly it is ard to get the profit

 

[Geddes333]

Thank you,

I've only won once twenty yrs. ago from a bonus and use them only to offset our low Canadian $ occasionally.