The last fake streamer thread ever needed.

[goatwack]

Nothing wrong with moobs if you can pull off the look

 

[Borgie]

Nothing wrong with moobs if you can pull off the look

You got some then

 

[goatwack]

You got some then

No.....I have breasts

(how did it end up here)

 

[mikeMega]

Nothing wrong with moobs if you can pull off the look

LOL I here the same guy is a big BTG fan, he has his moob nips pierced with little nip rings in the shame of pink donuts!! LMAO!!! sorry, after scarring all readers for life with that mental image,I will stop now!!

 

[goatwack]

 

[mikeMega]

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literally tears of laughter rolling down my face!!! brilliant!!!

 

[dionysus]

Nothing wrong with moobs if you can pull off the look

 

[BillyGoldblum]

I have always stayed out of the streamer conversations because I feel like a lot of people here don't like us and I would rather just do my thing and not argue with anyone.

But for the sake of people not having to guess anymore I will shed some light on what goes on.

I am Canadian so my streams are at different times and usually at a quieter time on twitch as I find it's full of europeans given the USA is banned so not as much interest in the west as opposed to Euro. Plus time difference and all that.

I am a "low" roller and bet 90 cents per spins. The reason why I put low roller in quotes is because it's actually not, its average but all these streamers insane bets make you think it's low.

Once I had an active channel of 40 viewers or more every stream I would start getting messages from casino managers and affiliate managers. As I started getting towards 70ish viewers those messages really increased. I think it was party due to it was quiet time on twitch so I was more noticed by them while the other dozens of channels were sleeping.

Here is what I have been offered by dozens of casinos both well known and not so well known. I have been vocal about it and shown emails and messages to many viewers both on and off stream.

100% reload bonuses with a capped max cashout of $1000 per month. No reduced wagering. Terrible deal obviously.

100% bonuses reduced wagering capped winnings of 2500 per month.

100% bonuses capped winnings of 5000 per month.

And this next part was the most disturbing of all. Where virtually at the very least most casinos offered me. Fake money accounts.

These offers were endless. Many managers actually argued with me where I had to block them because they couldnt understand why I refused fake money when they claimed to work with most other streamers and it's a very common practice. Their argument was always "you could be one of the bigger streamers if you just swallowed your pride and took the fake account and bet bigger to draw in the crowds" "You are nuts to stream a few days a week with your own money" And yes some were somewhat respectful "while we cannot understand why you wouldnt use a casino account we do understand your viewpoint".

I had offers to stream on these team channels where you see 3-4 people streaming throughout the day. It wouldnt be with my money but the owner of the channel and I get a cut of winning sessions

I could sit here and say who cares if someone plays with fake money as long as they are entertaining that's all that matter. No. It's dangerous. I saw some of my friends get reeled in by them where they used to bet 50 cents but now show me screenshot betting $20. This is when I started to reveal to people that alot of these streams are fake and would show them screenshots of the messages etc. So yes, there are people out there, lots of them who believe it is all real.

I personally would love to punch some of these fake money, bot users right in the face. Aside from being scummy all the real money streamers having fun and trying to grow a channel suffer and get punished by the frauds.

If people admit to fake money that is the only time I would be ok with it. Aside from that it's very scummy to say the least. They are trying reel people in and hopefully get them to use links, possible become addicted and lose money on them.

Another thing I was starting to get offered was viewbots, chatbots and sub bots. People on here and twitch can vouch for this because many times these companies would come in my channel, pump out some bots, make my channel look bigger and then message me after and ask me if I want to purchase it. My mods knew what was going on and were trying to ban all the fake chatters. The sub bots, is a program to increase sub count to make it look like your channel is bigger and popular than what it is. Some companies have people, not bot but real life people go into channels and talk here and there.

I had and showed all these offers to many in an attempt to show viewers that be very weary who and what you watch. A lot of it is BS.

All you need to do is use some common sense and not look at the offers I got for proof.. You ALL play slots and many of you doing 30 cent spins. Think about how much you can lose on those stakes if you are not careful, can all these people really sustain 5-20 euro spins all day long every single day. Doubtful, very doubtful.

I have been on twitch a few years now and I know quite a few streamers who were legit betting 80 cents but only getting 15 viewers to the next day having 400 viewers and doing 5-10 euro bets every day all day. That's the problem too, a lot of you do not see these streamers and how they started out. You find them when they have built their channel up using viewbots and fake money. I watched a streamer with a few of my friends in real time go from real to completely fake and has grown his channel up this way.

I am not saying all channels are fake but be damned weary of who you are watching because there is a lot of BS going on behind the scenes. A lot. If twitch is your thing, trust your gut, get a feeling for them, watch their personality traits and decide if that person is for you or not.

In closing, I wish I was a female streamer with big bobs. Then there is no need for viewbots or anything, the viewers will no doubt arrive

fer fokk sakes m8

 

[Valhalla]

Not entirely related to the thread subject but -

I watched some 'Bandit' videos last night that man is insane
Watched him hit countless gambles (double or nothing) in excess of £10,000 on that game Reel Kings, absolute lunatic
He deposited £41k and finally stopped at [when his balance was] £70,000... I've honestly never seen anything like it.

 

[mikeMega]

Not entirely related to the thread subject but -

I watched some 'Bandit' videos last night that man is insane
Watched him hit countless gambles (double or nothing) in excess of £10,000 on that game Reel Kings, absolute lunatic
He deposited £41k and finally stopped at £70,000... I've honestly never seen anything like it.

That craic was absolutely ridiculous. I used to like his videos but that is far too much. You cant be gambling responsibly if you a running 100k through slots and I think that was a disgrace. It might make good viewing but the reality is, there could be a lot of people influenced by that, possibly damaged by that, by attempting to imitate him and losing a lot of money in the process. Those stakes are borderline insane and that shows me that the bandit has a major problem now. I dont care what anyone says, if you are running the price of a small house through slots in one session, you have got a problem, regardless if you are a millionaire or not. Its a miracle if he can sustain his bankroll behaving like that, I was shocked that he got away with it and there is no way anyone could justify that amount of money on slots. Risking 100k? 100k? on slots!!!??? lmao! That man will get his fingers burnt very badly if he keeps that up and seeing it once is enough for me. It doesnt even sound like he is even having fun doing it anymore, he sounds like he is losing the plot and he is acting that way to.

 

[dionysus]

so the moral is, as long as youre spending it promoting a casino, it isnt a responsible gambling issue and the casinos dont get fined

 

[Mr_Slot5]

so the moral is, as long as youre spending it promoting a casino, it isnt a responsible gambling issue and the casinos dont get fined

That seems to be the gist of it. I don't believe for one moment though that some if them are risking anything. As has been discussed, some of it is just a production show to get sign ups to a casino.

 

[mikeMega]

I have always stayed out of the streamer conversations because I feel like a lot of people here don't like us and I would rather just do my thing and not argue with anyone.

But for the sake of people not having to guess anymore I will shed some light on what goes on.

I am Canadian so my streams are at different times and usually at a quieter time on twitch as I find it's full of europeans given the USA is banned so not as much interest in the west as opposed to Euro. Plus time difference and all that.

I am a "low" roller and bet 90 cents per spins. The reason why I put low roller in quotes is because it's actually not, its average but all these streamers insane bets make you think it's low.

Once I had an active channel of 40 viewers or more every stream I would start getting messages from casino managers and affiliate managers. As I started getting towards 70ish viewers those messages really increased. I think it was party due to it was quiet time on twitch so I was more noticed by them while the other dozens of channels were sleeping.

Here is what I have been offered by dozens of casinos both well known and not so well known. I have been vocal about it and shown emails and messages to many viewers both on and off stream.

100% reload bonuses with a capped max cashout of $1000 per month. No reduced wagering. Terrible deal obviously.

100% bonuses reduced wagering capped winnings of 2500 per month.

100% bonuses capped winnings of 5000 per month.

And this next part was the most disturbing of all. Where virtually at the very least most casinos offered me. Fake money accounts.

These offers were endless. Many managers actually argued with me where I had to block them because they couldnt understand why I refused fake money when they claimed to work with most other streamers and it's a very common practice. Their argument was always "you could be one of the bigger streamers if you just swallowed your pride and took the fake account and bet bigger to draw in the crowds" "You are nuts to stream a few days a week with your own money" And yes some were somewhat respectful "while we cannot understand why you wouldnt use a casino account we do understand your viewpoint".

I had offers to stream on these team channels where you see 3-4 people streaming throughout the day. It wouldnt be with my money but the owner of the channel and I get a cut of winning sessions

I could sit here and say who cares if someone plays with fake money as long as they are entertaining that's all that matter. No. It's dangerous. I saw some of my friends get reeled in by them where they used to bet 50 cents but now show me screenshot betting $20. This is when I started to reveal to people that alot of these streams are fake and would show them screenshots of the messages etc. So yes, there are people out there, lots of them who believe it is all real.

I personally would love to punch some of these fake money, bot users right in the face. Aside from being scummy all the real money streamers having fun and trying to grow a channel suffer and get punished by the frauds.

If people admit to fake money that is the only time I would be ok with it. Aside from that it's very scummy to say the least. They are trying reel people in and hopefully get them to use links, possible become addicted and lose money on them.

Another thing I was starting to get offered was viewbots, chatbots and sub bots. People on here and twitch can vouch for this because many times these companies would come in my channel, pump out some bots, make my channel look bigger and then message me after and ask me if I want to purchase it. My mods knew what was going on and were trying to ban all the fake chatters. The sub bots, is a program to increase sub count to make it look like your channel is bigger and popular than what it is. Some companies have people, not bot but real life people go into channels and talk here and there.

I had and showed all these offers to many in an attempt to show viewers that be very weary who and what you watch. A lot of it is BS.

All you need to do is use some common sense and not look at the offers I got for proof.. You ALL play slots and many of you doing 30 cent spins. Think about how much you can lose on those stakes if you are not careful, can all these people really sustain 5-20 euro spins all day long every single day. Doubtful, very doubtful.

I have been on twitch a few years now and I know quite a few streamers who were legit betting 80 cents but only getting 15 viewers to the next day having 400 viewers and doing 5-10 euro bets every day all day. That's the problem too, a lot of you do not see these streamers and how they started out. You find them when they have built their channel up using viewbots and fake money. I watched a streamer with a few of my friends in real time go from real to completely fake and has grown his channel up this way.

I am not saying all channels are fake but be damned weary of who you are watching because there is a lot of BS going on behind the scenes. A lot. If twitch is your thing, trust your gut, get a feeling for them, watch their personality traits and decide if that person is for you or not.

In closing, I wish I was a female streamer with big bobs. Then there is no need for viewbots or anything, the viewers will no doubt arrive

fer fokk sakes m8

Sounds legit to me, thank you for your insights!

 

[dunover]

Not entirely related to the thread subject but -

I watched some 'Bandit' videos last night that man is insane
Watched him hit countless gambles (double or nothing) in excess of £10,000 on that game Reel Kings, absolute lunatic
He deposited £41k and finally stopped at [when his balance was] £70,000... I've honestly never seen anything like it.

So what will replace that buzz when one day the plug is pulled on YT gambling streamers, or Twitch?

 

[dionysus]

So what will replace that buzz when one day the plug is pulled on YT gambling streamers, or Twitch?

theyll flog FB, just moreso than now

 

[snorky510238]

I have always stayed out of the streamer conversations because I feel like a lot of people here don't like us and I would rather just do my thing and not argue with anyone.

But for the sake of people not having to guess anymore I will shed some light on what goes on.

I am Canadian so my streams are at different times and usually at a quieter time on twitch as I find it's full of europeans given the USA is banned so not as much interest in the west as opposed to Euro. Plus time difference and all that.

I am a "low" roller and bet 90 cents per spins. The reason why I put low roller in quotes is because it's actually not, its average but all these streamers insane bets make you think it's low.

Once I had an active channel of 40 viewers or more every stream I would start getting messages from casino managers and affiliate managers. As I started getting towards 70ish viewers those messages really increased. I think it was party due to it was quiet time on twitch so I was more noticed by them while the other dozens of channels were sleeping.

Here is what I have been offered by dozens of casinos both well known and not so well known. I have been vocal about it and shown emails and messages to many viewers both on and off stream.

100% reload bonuses with a capped max cashout of $1000 per month. No reduced wagering. Terrible deal obviously.

100% bonuses reduced wagering capped winnings of 2500 per month.

100% bonuses capped winnings of 5000 per month.

And this next part was the most disturbing of all. Where virtually at the very least most casinos offered me. Fake money accounts.

These offers were endless. Many managers actually argued with me where I had to block them because they couldnt understand why I refused fake money when they claimed to work with most other streamers and it's a very common practice. Their argument was always "you could be one of the bigger streamers if you just swallowed your pride and took the fake account and bet bigger to draw in the crowds" "You are nuts to stream a few days a week with your own money" And yes some were somewhat respectful "while we cannot understand why you wouldnt use a casino account we do understand your viewpoint".

I had offers to stream on these team channels where you see 3-4 people streaming throughout the day. It wouldnt be with my money but the owner of the channel and I get a cut of winning sessions

I could sit here and say who cares if someone plays with fake money as long as they are entertaining that's all that matter. No. It's dangerous. I saw some of my friends get reeled in by them where they used to bet 50 cents but now show me screenshot betting $20. This is when I started to reveal to people that alot of these streams are fake and would show them screenshots of the messages etc. So yes, there are people out there, lots of them who believe it is all real.

I personally would love to punch some of these fake money, bot users right in the face. Aside from being scummy all the real money streamers having fun and trying to grow a channel suffer and get punished by the frauds.

If people admit to fake money that is the only time I would be ok with it. Aside from that it's very scummy to say the least. They are trying reel people in and hopefully get them to use links, possible become addicted and lose money on them.

Another thing I was starting to get offered was viewbots, chatbots and sub bots. People on here and twitch can vouch for this because many times these companies would come in my channel, pump out some bots, make my channel look bigger and then message me after and ask me if I want to purchase it. My mods knew what was going on and were trying to ban all the fake chatters. The sub bots, is a program to increase sub count to make it look like your channel is bigger and popular than what it is. Some companies have people, not bot but real life people go into channels and talk here and there.

I had and showed all these offers to many in an attempt to show viewers that be very weary who and what you watch. A lot of it is BS.

All you need to do is use some common sense and not look at the offers I got for proof.. You ALL play slots and many of you doing 30 cent spins. Think about how much you can lose on those stakes if you are not careful, can all these people really sustain 5-20 euro spins all day long every single day. Doubtful, very doubtful.

I have been on twitch a few years now and I know quite a few streamers who were legit betting 80 cents but only getting 15 viewers to the next day having 400 viewers and doing 5-10 euro bets every day all day. That's the problem too, a lot of you do not see these streamers and how they started out. You find them when they have built their channel up using viewbots and fake money. I watched a streamer with a few of my friends in real time go from real to completely fake and has grown his channel up this way.

I am not saying all channels are fake but be damned weary of who you are watching because there is a lot of BS going on behind the scenes. A lot. If twitch is your thing, trust your gut, get a feeling for them, watch their personality traits and decide if that person is for you or not.

In closing, I wish I was a female streamer with big bobs. Then there is no need for viewbots or anything, the viewers will no doubt arrive

fer fokk sakes m8

Thanks for confirming what I suspected. The other thing you can’t rule out is that if a streamer was playing under conditions that wasn’t going to hurt a casino (capped winnings etc) then it is more than plausible that they could be playing with an enhanced rtp.

This definitely happened during promotional periods on FOBTS. The weekly competitions were won with ridiculously inflated scores. Of course this was done to hook the newbie who wouldn’t be able to believe how much they would have won if it had been real money.

Of course the vast majority of players wouldn’t have a clue what was going on but for seasoned players it was blatantly obvious and noticeable how betting shop staff made a beeline for any new faces and were very persuasive in trying to get them to take part.

Sorry going a bit off topic but it’s just another way of how underhanded the industry can be.

 

[mikeMega]

Thanks for confirming what I suspected. The other thing you can’t rule out is that if a streamer was playing under conditions that wasn’t going to hurt a casino (capped winnings etc) then it is more than plausible that they could be playing with an enhanced rtp.

This definitely happened during promotional periods on FOBTS. The weekly competitions were won with ridiculously inflated scores. Of course this was done to hook the newbie who wouldn’t be able to believe how much they would have won if it had been real money.

Of course the vast majority of players wouldn’t have a clue what was going on but for seasoned players it was blatantly obvious and noticeable how betting shop staff made a beeline for any new faces and were very persuasive in trying to get them to take part.

Sorry going a bit off topic but it’s just another way of how underhanded the industry can be.

I dont really visit the bookies or land based casinos that often anymore and when I do hit the casino its usually for a poker tournament rather than slots or table games so it is very interesting to hear how the FOBT are being promoted to customers too. I think your comment is definitely relevant because a lot of the bookies have their online product too so if there was some kind of enhancement on the FOBTs for those promotion periods then there is a very big chance that the same bookies could do the same with their online slots and the bandit does promote bet victor and they have high street shops so you have a great point there. Im not picking on the bandit he was just the only streamer/youtube content creator I could think of offhand that is involved with a high street company, Im sure there are many more Im not aware of.

 

[sufferinsilence]

So what will replace that buzz when one day the plug is pulled on YT gambling streamers, or Twitch?

Most of his Reel King gambling isn't filmed at all. He does it outside of his weekly videos, although lately Reel King has taken up alot of video time too. But it's beyond crazy, I hope nobody is trying to do what he does and chase those gamble ladders on €/£40.

 

[mack341]

Most of his Reel King gambling isn't filmed at all. He does it outside of his weekly videos, although lately Reel King has taken up alot of video time too. But it's beyond crazy, I hope nobody is trying to do what he does and chase those gamble ladders on €/£40.

at first I didn't mind the odd bit of reel king in his vids, he might get to the top and win 1-2k, but now its in nearly every video, swinging between losing and winning tens of thousands £, it's irresponsible to show this footage IMO...the initial thought of 'you plonker bandit' is going to be replaced in some with 'he's making decent money doing this...etc.. with people attempting it themselves which they would never have done without seeing him regularly do it.

he warns people 'don't try this' but showing wins of £20k he's wasting his breath!

 

[Valhalla]

he warns people 'don't try this' but showing wins of £20k he's wasting his breath!

The last one I saw, he hit the gamble on over £16,000
He did win £32,000 or thereabouts but come on mate... £16k double or quits? Absolutely insane, and I don't mean how you'd call your mate "insane" when he gets a bit lairy. It's moronically insane.

 

[JGslots]

Just a side note:- Steve was £750,000 in profit on Reel King at one stage. Not sure if that’s still the case.

I find his videos very addictive to watch. He does love Reel King too much though.

Fair play to him, he’s produced excellent content, is a nice bloke and deserves the success he’s had.

Rob

 

[mack341]

Just a side note:- Steve was £750,000 in profit on Reel King at one stage. Not sure if that’s still the case.

I find his videos very addictive to watch. He does love Reel King too much though.

Fair play to him, he’s produced excellent content, is a nice bloke and deserves the success he’s had.

Rob

You can't knock the result, for him it's been like a personal ATM or goldmine, but if he thinks desperate or gullible people won't try to emulate him and mostly lose disastrously he's wrong.

If it was possible, he could be buying £10,000 features on extra chilli and trying to double the 8 spins to 16, how many would say 'that's responsible gambling and a good thing to show others'

If the bandit carries on in the same vein as he has recently he will have earnt that nickname...

 

[Mr_Slot5]

If someone hits £750,000 profit on a slot, you'd think that'd be enough to say 'you know what, I've pushed my luck, let's quit whilst ahead'

That's life changing money to most people.

 

[SlotGrinder]

Why can't it just be entertainment ? I like watching the bandit's vids . I don't go and do £40 spins after I watch it lol . Why does he have to be responsible for some viewer's stupidity/gullible nature ? If you're the kind of person who sees someone win big and go and copy them regardless of your financial situation or you think a game is "hot" or a casino "lucky" then I feel there's no helping you anyway

 

[mack341]

Why can't it just be entertainment ? I like watching the bandit's vids . I don't go and do £40 spins after I watch it lol . Why does he have to be responsible for some viewer's stupidity/gullible nature ? If you're the kind of person who sees someone win big and go and copy them regardless of your financial situation or you think a game is "hot" or a casino "lucky" then I feel there's no helping you anyway

Did you use to enjoy bandit's videos 2-3 years ago? IMO he doesn't need to do such high risk gambling to make entertaining videos...

 

[SlotGrinder]

Did you use to enjoy bandit's videos 2-3 years ago? IMO he doesn't need to do such high risk gambling to make entertaining videos...

Yeh I liked them just as much but if he is playing slots himself for a gamble and then he makes a vid out of it then that's what happens . I know he is an affiliate but he obv likes gambling and when he is playing slots for hours it's as much for him as it is for the viewers
He does say "if you don't like highstakes gambles then don't watch" etc I don't know what else he can do

 

[sufferinsilence]

Oh, don't get me wrong... It's entertaining alright but that doesn't mean it's not beyond crazy There won't be alot of gamblers that have deep pockets like he obviously has where he can chase 100k back. Even when he loses a 1k deposit he'll try and chase it back on the next one with bigger bets. That's not realistic to most of us and it goes against responsible gambling. Suffice to say I have mixed feelings about his current videos.

And it does seem he is not enjoying himself anymore on the other games, he used to be more lively in his videos. It's clear to me that his adventures on Reel King mean more to him than making regular slot videos for the viewers. Anyway, Reel King pays the bills for him it seems and who can argue with that.

 

[mack341]

edit: meant as a reply to slotgrinder's post above

The vid he did 3 weeks ago, entirely reel king, had 60,000 views, that's a lot of gamblers watching, but I do understand where you're coming from people have to take responsibility for themselves.

I personally don't enjoy the reel king footage, there's hardly any spontaneous banter or humour, it's just hardcore gambling, I think it's bad for him psychologically, bad for his channel as it may cause a youtube ban down the line, and bad for problem gamblers watching.

 

[mikeMega]

was £750,000 in profit

"was £750,000 in profit" WAS!!! Well where does it end then? If you are up 3/4 of a million is that not enough? I would highly doubt that he would ever reach that peak again, its impossible if he continues like that. It will all get bled back eventually because thats the nature of the game he is playing, it is designed to take more than it gives thats why all slot rtps are not 150% they are all below 98%. Im sure there are plenty of his sign ups that have lost money maybe some of them a lot of money. The man would be better of picking 500 of his losing depositors and giving them back £100 each for 50k instead of acting the clown and risking 70k and handing that back to videoslots. Its reckless and down right stupid.

 

[dunover]

OK, I don't watch streamers but sought out this particular video.

At one point 41k in the hole, or in other words 2 years' take-home pay for somebody on National Average Wage.

The gambler's logic in play along the lines of 'I'm ahead 54k so no concerns people!' kind of thing. No, the profit once in your bank is YOUR money not the casino's and it's a characteristic of many problem gamblers that winnings aren't money but simply a means of funding the next bout of gambling.

The bloke has clearly lost any concept of the value of money, since earning sizeable sums from affiliate programmes which provides a false sense of security for reckless punting.

Personally I couldn't bear to play those stakes even if I could, as every £40 spin would register in my mind as half a week's groceries, or half a tank of fuel etc.

He argues that pro-rata he's doing the same as a normal player on 1/10 the stakes but fails to say what damage it would do if you didn't have 10x the means in the first place.

I envy him the thrill of playing high stakes, but to me it's like comparing somebody who gets merry and chatty after 2 pints of lager with another person who needs half a bottle of scotch to get to the same state.

There is an underlying issue there clearly and this adrenaline-seeking is subconsciously damaging the guy, and sadly he doesn't know it - yet.

I hope he's ringfenced some reserves and his house etc. for his family so when it goes pear-shaped or the income dries up, they aren't in his control to be liquidated for further gambling.

In my experience the two most dangerous types of gambler are the very stupid, like you see at 60 years old in supermarket plimsolls in the bookies every day, living in bedsits having spent a lifetime chasing what they cannot make career-wise or the intelligent people who think they are smart enough to beat the odds or believe they have a system. The guy is clearly bright and makes entertaining videos but dangerous ones at the same time.

If I was a casino owner, especially one that's just had a story in the press along with Leo Vegas about the woman who lost tens of K (and presumably lost so much so quickly for betting silly stakes) then I would be cautious about this type of advertising.

 

[mack341]

"was £750,000 in profit" WAS!!! Well where does it end then? If you are up 3/4 of a million is that not enough? I would highly doubt that he would ever reach that peak again, its impossible if he continues like that. It will all get bled back eventually because thats the nature of the game he is playing, it is designed to take more than it gives thats why all slot rtps are not 150% they are all below 98%. Im sure there are plenty of his sign ups that have lost money maybe some of them a lot of money. The man would be better of picking 500 of his losing depositors and giving them back £100 each for 50k instead of acting the clown and risking 70k and handing that back to videoslots. Its reckless and down right stupid.

I think that video I mentioned above was a charity one, I didn't watch it as I can only cope with 2 mins of reel king but he was mentioning something at the start about the proceeds/any profit from the session would go to charity, which is a nice gesture if he managed to win. I think if he wants to do the reel king stuff and extreme gambles then that's his free right to do so but as an affiliate linked via the videos to certain casinos, I think there is an onus on him to gamble responsibly [while still being entertaining] But l agree personally it's reckless and a bit crazy, unless there is some flaw in that gamble pyramid in reel king, I can see it taking back a lot of money at some point 100k+ perhaps...

 

[mack341]

In my experience the two most dangerous types of gambler are the very stupid, like you see at 60 years old in supermarket plimsolls in the bookies every day, living in bedsits having spent a lifetime chasing what they cannot make career-wise

can you please off turn that remote camera you've installed in my palatial residence

Joking aside great points you've made above, it must affect the brain/adrenal glands etc... and you can't buy good health, that's partly why I think the bandit humour which made him so successful is evaporating, when you're under real stress light hearted humour tends to go out the window.

 

[mikeMega]

OK, I don't watch streamers but sought out this particular video.

At one point 41k in the hole, or in other words 2 years' take-home pay for somebody on National Average Wage.

The gambler's logic in play along the lines of 'I'm ahead 54k so no concerns people!' kind of thing. No, the profit once in your bank is YOUR money not the casino's and it's a characteristic of many problem gamblers that winnings aren't money but simply a means of funding the next bout of gambling.

The bloke has clearly lost any concept of the value of money, since earning sizeable sums from affiliate programmes which provides a false sense of security for reckless punting.

Personally I couldn't bear to play those stakes even if I could, as every £40 spin would register in my mind as half a week's groceries, or half a tank of fuel etc.

He argues that pro-rata he's doing the same as a normal player on 1/10 the stakes but fails to say what damage it would do if you didn't have 10x the means in the first place.

I envy him the thrill of playing high stakes, but to me it's like comparing somebody who gets merry and chatty after 2 pints of lager with another person who needs half a bottle of scotch to get to the same state.

There is an underlying issue there clearly and this adrenaline-seeking is subconsciously damaging the guy, and sadly he doesn't know it - yet.

I hope he's ringfenced some reserves and his house etc. for his family so when it goes pear-shaped or the income dries up, they aren't in his control to be liquidated for further gambling.

In my experience the two most dangerous types of gambler are the very stupid, like you see at 60 years old in supermarket plimsolls in the bookies every day, living in bedsits having spent a lifetime chasing what they cannot make career-wise or the intelligent people who think they are smart enough to beat the odds or believe they have a system. The guy is clearly bright and makes entertaining videos but dangerous ones at the same time.

If I was a casino owner, especially one that's just had a story in the press along with Leo Vegas about the woman who lost tens of K (and presumably lost so much so quickly for betting silly stakes) then I would be cautious about this type of advertising.

Well said!

 

[mikeMega]

can you please off turn that remote camera you've installed in my palatial residence

Joking aside great points you've made above, it must affect the brain/adrenal glands etc... and you can't buy good health, that's partly why I think the bandit humour which made him so successful is evaporating, when you're under real stress light hearted humour tends to go out the window.

Stress and guilt too Mack. They are two feelings that are related to problem gambling and are very toxic and harmful to the psyche and physiologically. I bet if bandit had £16000 cash in his hand he would not flip a coin for it. Like Dunover mentioned, money on a screen has no physical property to it so it can be abused/misused, misunderstood and disrespected more than something material like a nice car for instance. It is definitely common for problem gamblers to disassociate from reality and treat their money as gambling coupons and ONLY gambling coupons in most cases of addiction. In other words the day to day necessities and basic normal things in life that need paid for go on the back burner for most problem gamblers and every penny goes to fuel their addiction. It saddens me to see people with that affliction and thats why I found Bandits recent antics unacceptable. He is risking too much and setting a bad example.

 

[shadow123]

There are some definate markers which shows a person is not longer in full control of their gambling,

When the value of money is lost and the balances just become numbers on the screen.
When the punter increases the stakes over a period of time and each value then become the new norm.
When all losses must be chased regardless of the risk

These are all very bad signs and can lead to life changing consequences, I my own case I have been guilty of all three
and in the end had a heart attack probably due to the stress,
If some one wishes to bet stupid stakes,its entirely their own business but I think they do have a moral responsibility
not to show the whole world and give the impression that it is easy to win and could be a good alternative to working for a living.

Happily I took the heart attack as a wake up call, my finances are in fine order now and I dont owe a penny to anyone.
My gambling now is of a very low order,rarely bet over £1 and play only for pleasure.I dont need to win and there is no pressure
or desire to increase the stakes to these silly levels

 

[mikeMega]

There are some definate markers which shows a person is not longer in full control of their gambling,

When the value of money is lost and the balances just become numbers on the screen.
When the punter increases the stakes over a period of time and each value then become the new norm.
When all losses must be chased regardless of the risk

These are all very bad signs and can lead to life changing consequences, I my own case I have been guilty of all three
and in the end had a heart attack probably due to the stress,
If some one wishes to bet stupid stakes,its entirely their own business but I think they do have a moral responsibility
not to show the whole world and give the impression that it is easy to win and could be a good alternative to working for a living.

Happily I took the heart attack as a wake up call, my finances are in fine order now and I dont owe a penny to anyone.
My gambling now is of a very low order,rarely bet over £1 and play only for pleasure.I dont need to win and there is no pressure
or desire to increase the stakes to these silly levels

Good for you Shadow, Im happy to hear you overcome that problem and you are on the mend physically and have your affairs in order and you are in a good place! It definitely is possible to enjoy the slots or whatever punts you prefer at affordable stakes!

 

[SlotGrinder]

I don't know . It depends how much money you have . There's more degenerate people out there who will gamble everything they have . If bandit has 750k and is fine with losing 150k then on the one hand you can say omg 150k that's so much money and on the other you can say ok he's losing 20% of his bankroll and it won't harm his life although obv he won't be happy about it
The comments about it just being chips and not real money whilst gambling. That's how you have to think in poker . You can't be thinking about what the money could buy irl all the time
Slots are obv different because you don't have an edge but that is gambling it's supposed to be a time when you aren't rationally counting your money and budgeting but you're taking risks . Why gamble otherwise ? May as well just save your money

 

[mikeMega]

I don't know . It depends how much money you have . There's more degenerate people out there who will gamble everything they have . If bandit has 750k and is fine with losing 150k then on the one hand you can say omg 150k that's so much money and on the other you can say ok he's losing 20% of his bankroll and it won't harm his life although obv he won't be happy about it

I get your point and respect it and I would say that a 20% loss of a bankroll would be acceptable if he was playing poker, say all the high roll scoops or a bunch of different games at the world series for example that took a sizeable investment to enter and ultimately ended in a loss. But punting 20% of your bankroll on one slot is a very different matter, theres no skill involved in slots its a totally different ball game. Also, nobody should be risking 20% of their bankroll in poker either I.M.O. its to big a percentage. 1-5% for an event or session is how to manage bankroll more successfully and only play the tournaments that can be bought in to within that 1-5%. It should be the size of the roll that determines the stakes and poker bankrolls should be respected and protected, responsibly. It can take months/years to build a good roll but if any player ups their stakes too much too soon and risks 20% or more for one session you can lose it all in 1 day or 1 week.

 

[helafast]

I have always stayed out of the streamer conversations because I feel like a lot of people here don't like us and I would rather just do my thing and not argue with anyone.

But for the sake of people not having to guess anymore I will shed some light on what goes on.

I am Canadian so my streams are at different times and usually at a quieter time on twitch as I find it's full of europeans given the USA is banned so not as much interest in the west as opposed to Euro. Plus time difference and all that.

I am a "low" roller and bet 90 cents per spins. The reason why I put low roller in quotes is because it's actually not, its average but all these streamers insane bets make you think it's low.

Once I had an active channel of 40 viewers or more every stream I would start getting messages from casino managers and affiliate managers. As I started getting towards 70ish viewers those messages really increased. I think it was party due to it was quiet time on twitch so I was more noticed by them while the other dozens of channels were sleeping.

Here is what I have been offered by dozens of casinos both well known and not so well known. I have been vocal about it and shown emails and messages to many viewers both on and off stream.

100% reload bonuses with a capped max cashout of $1000 per month. No reduced wagering. Terrible deal obviously.

100% bonuses reduced wagering capped winnings of 2500 per month.

100% bonuses capped winnings of 5000 per month.

And this next part was the most disturbing of all. Where virtually at the very least most casinos offered me. Fake money accounts.

These offers were endless. Many managers actually argued with me where I had to block them because they couldnt understand why I refused fake money when they claimed to work with most other streamers and it's a very common practice. Their argument was always "you could be one of the bigger streamers if you just swallowed your pride and took the fake account and bet bigger to draw in the crowds" "You are nuts to stream a few days a week with your own money" And yes some were somewhat respectful "while we cannot understand why you wouldnt use a casino account we do understand your viewpoint".

I had offers to stream on these team channels where you see 3-4 people streaming throughout the day. It wouldnt be with my money but the owner of the channel and I get a cut of winning sessions

I could sit here and say who cares if someone plays with fake money as long as they are entertaining that's all that matter. No. It's dangerous. I saw some of my friends get reeled in by them where they used to bet 50 cents but now show me screenshot betting $20. This is when I started to reveal to people that alot of these streams are fake and would show them screenshots of the messages etc. So yes, there are people out there, lots of them who believe it is all real.

I personally would love to punch some of these fake money, bot users right in the face. Aside from being scummy all the real money streamers having fun and trying to grow a channel suffer and get punished by the frauds.

If people admit to fake money that is the only time I would be ok with it. Aside from that it's very scummy to say the least. They are trying reel people in and hopefully get them to use links, possible become addicted and lose money on them.

Another thing I was starting to get offered was viewbots, chatbots and sub bots. People on here and twitch can vouch for this because many times these companies would come in my channel, pump out some bots, make my channel look bigger and then message me after and ask me if I want to purchase it. My mods knew what was going on and were trying to ban all the fake chatters. The sub bots, is a program to increase sub count to make it look like your channel is bigger and popular than what it is. Some companies have people, not bot but real life people go into channels and talk here and there.

I had and showed all these offers to many in an attempt to show viewers that be very weary who and what you watch. A lot of it is BS.

All you need to do is use some common sense and not look at the offers I got for proof.. You ALL play slots and many of you doing 30 cent spins. Think about how much you can lose on those stakes if you are not careful, can all these people really sustain 5-20 euro spins all day long every single day. Doubtful, very doubtful.

I have been on twitch a few years now and I know quite a few streamers who were legit betting 80 cents but only getting 15 viewers to the next day having 400 viewers and doing 5-10 euro bets every day all day. That's the problem too, a lot of you do not see these streamers and how they started out. You find them when they have built their channel up using viewbots and fake money. I watched a streamer with a few of my friends in real time go from real to completely fake and has grown his channel up this way.

I am not saying all channels are fake but be damned weary of who you are watching because there is a lot of BS going on behind the scenes. A lot. If twitch is your thing, trust your gut, get a feeling for them, watch their personality traits and decide if that person is for you or not.

In closing, I wish I was a female streamer with big bobs. Then there is no need for viewbots or anything, the viewers will no doubt arrive

fer fokk sakes m8

You're a good man Billy. Thank you for clearing up what most of us already thought. I stream occasionally as well, mostly for the chatting and fun - always .75-1.00 stakes with my own money. Twitch is fun, there are a lot of great people on there that I've gotten to know over the years in chat. It passes the time and I have to admit watching streamers has helped me NOT deposit on a casino - just pass the time and watch instead of potentially losing money.

I really do worry about the 5-20.00 bets as well on stream, I'm smart enough to know that it would be a total absolute disaster if I ever bet that amount. However, I figure a large amount of viewers are probably early twenties, living at home with their parents building up credit card debt they will never be able to pay off

 

[Valhalla]

I hope he's ringfenced some reserves and his house etc. for his family so when it goes pear-shaped or the income dries up, they aren't in his control to be liquidated for further gambling

This is the main danger. It's not even remotely unrealistic that he could have losing session after losing session, and with the way he plays with those huge wagers... God knows how far it could go. He was as you pointed out, £41,000 down at one time in a single session. That could've kept going downward, and losing £200,000 wouldn't take very long with those kind of wagers and gambles (and I believe he'd chase it that far down).

Then what does he do? Find a game with even bigger stakes? Start dumping tens of thousands on roulette to try to claw it back?

It's clear that Bandit has lost all sense of reality. God help his wife when it all goes tits-up.

 

[mikeMega]

This is the main danger. It's not even remotely unrealistic that he could have losing session after losing session, and with the way he plays with those huge wagers... God knows how far it could go. He was as you pointed out, £41,000 down at one time in a single session. That could've kept going downward, and losing £200,000 wouldn't take very long with those kind of wagers and gambles (and I believe he'd chase it that far down).

Then what does he do? Find a game with even bigger stakes? Start dumping tens of thousands on roulette to try to claw it back?

It's clear that Bandit has lost all sense of reality. God help his wife when it all goes tits-up.

For me Bandit could be showing that massive wins are possible on slots and be a good advertisement for them but when he has already got a massive profit like that, he has basically achieved every gamblers goal, that big wonder hit! Its his behaviour with his winnings that is showing the dark side of it. He should be celebrating with the feet up and playing as much as he likes at normal stakes with no risk of any financial hardship and chilling out in the knowledge that he is set for life. instead he is taking massive chances (like that 41k downswing before he won anything) and just keeping going until he clawed a loss back. The average player doesnt have that gigantic balance to allow them to keep pumping in money until a big win shows up. When most people lose then thats it gone, they cant do what he has been doing and that kind of betting is totally defeating the purpose!! Its like someone winning the world series of poker (for most winners a once in a lifetime event) and then taking their winnings to a 100k unlimited rebuy game and just donking stacks until they hit massive. its illogical, irrational and full on degenerate!

I think the free money/pennies from heaven (that MIGHT be funded from sign ups losses) is being treated very badly and that just shows he is not respecting his followers or the money. It is actually the opposite, he is insulting them but Im sure that is not his intention. I do not mean he is taking the mickey on purpose, I have a feeling he does not realise himself that this has gone too far. So I just want to be clear it is not a personal attack on the bandit, I would feel the same way whoever was doing that. Somethings are just wrong no matter what way you look at them and this is one of them in my opinion.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Bandit loses way more than 41k sometimes... He has documented going over 100k deep before digging himself out of that hole, and he's had massive losses of 100k+ where he stopped chasing it. Thing is he's still in massive profit after all that and doesn't feel it's irresponsible for him to be gambling like that because those massive losses come after a period where he banks 250k or even more. He then resets his bankroll and starts again on lower stakes going for the gamble ladder wins, builds up his pot and goes higher stakes. It's all about chasing the dragon again and again and until now it worked out every time, why would he care about what "we" think?

Casino's that he uses for his system and keep on seeing massive losses from that one slot will eventually have to remove/alter the gamble function, lower the max stake or ask him to take his business elsewhere. I can't help but think if he was a "normal" player like us he would've had his accounts closed by now but because he's one of the more famous slots Youtubers this is nothing but extra publicity for them.

 

[mikeMega]

Bandit loses way more than 41k sometimes... He has documented going over 100k deep before digging himself out of that hole, and he's had massive losses of 100k+ where he stopped chasing it. Thing is he's still in massive profit after all that and doesn't feel it's irresponsible for him to be gambling like that because those massive losses come after a period where he banks 250k or even more. He then resets his bankroll and starts again on lower stakes going for the gamble ladder wins, builds up his pot and goes higher stakes. It's all about chasing the dragon again and again and until now it worked out every time, why would he care about what "we" think?

Casino's that he uses for his system and keep on seeing massive losses from that one slot will eventually have to remove/alter the gamble function, lower the max stake or ask him to take his business elsewhere. I can't help but think if he was a "normal" player like us he would've had his accounts closed by now but because he's one of the more famous slots Youtubers this is nothing but extra publicity for them.

It just seems to me he has got too big for his boots and and its true he probably couldnt care less about what we think. He could do with coming back down to Earth a bit, the money and mini celebrity status looks like it has gone to his head and Im predicting it will end in tears eventually

 

[TheAddict]

Its like someone winning the world series of poker (for most winners a once in a lifetime event) and then taking their winnings to a 100k unlimited rebuy game and just donking stacks until they hit massive. its illogical, irrational and full on degenerate!

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[mikeMega]

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[Bloatgoat]

I prefer going landbased all day over online. Why? With a handpay, i'm having the money instantly in my hands. Fresh and flat notes, which gives me a sense of value instant. I could either put a portion of that in my left pocket as DONT TOUCH, and continue with what i have on my right, or just call it a day and have lunch, or go home to the city. As much as i like spending time in a landbased casino, at some point you gotta be disiplined and know when you gotta go. For the sake of your bankroll, this is the best strategy. Same as online. If your playing, play with a set amount of money, and either go for double or nothing. I know it's hard to pull out when you just doubled your finances, but it's again the best strategy and it takes disipline again.

When i watch streamers, i barely see disipline at all. It's just going wreckless with some streamers betting over a 10k a hand or some shit. Now that i know that some accounts are pre-funded by the casino, the chances are big that the same streamer is getting paid for streaming and proberly gets a percentage out of the refferals as well. So there you have it. If i test my luck on Landbased vs Online, i think landbased was always more in my favor. I get to select any slot i want and see the stats of the machine before i start to play. RTP and all that is advertised as higher, but my luck in landbased could still be more random and in a better favor then ever. I'm talking about dumping in 200, hitting the max bet spins for a few times, get a bonus and call it a day when reaching 1200.

Those are the best experiences in my opinion and this is online cant offer. You gotta always seem to wager a x amount of spins or bets before it actually starts doing something. And it's so unreal. The streaks where NOTHING can go wrong. The tipping at a certain 'level' and then to see it all burn again. It's random in a pre determined set of rules, and nothing more. There's no way to magically beat or screw the casino, it's all calculated within. Really, there's a self-made documentary on YT about a guy living in Vegas (the avg joe) and how he started to gamble. How he ditched like a few bucks and winning like 50 dollars. He kind of believed he could do this all day and make a living out of it. At some point he started to sell his gear to keep feeding his addiction and sooner or later hit rock bottom.



This is pretty much a story that no streamer ever in the world tells you. Gamble responsible. It's in the nature that over time you start to bet bigger, value of money starts to vague out, ah well all the things people in this thread already mentioned.

 

[dave1888]

Speaking of the bandit he's just announced he's been banned from YT again for 2 weeks.

 

[dunover]

Speaking of the bandit he's just announced he's been banned from YT again for 2 weeks.

The channel's still there, no videos on it? Odd. YT don't usually give fixed bans, they pull the channel unless it's a streaming ban?

 

[xxshepxx]

2 week ban. He's blocked all the other videos himself to go through them.

Must be a certain reason he is getting banned so he is going through everything so it doesn't happen again I assume.

 

[mikeMega]

The channel's still there, no videos on it? Odd. YT don't usually give fixed bans, they pull the channel unless it's a streaming ban?

Youtubers with well established and popular channels get some leeway in terms of keeping their channel open if they generate a lot of traffic/views as Bandits channel does. He is bound to in the millions of views for his youtube vids by now. There has likely been some complaints and he mentioned having the second part of THAT REEL KING VID we are all discussing being removed on his last video so maybe he has had a strike or two. They wont delete his channel completely because he would have been generating youtube some good view numbers and he has been there for quite a while too so that usually holds the account holder in good stead and gives them a fair chance to fight their case unless it is something totally unacceptable in terms of violating or breaching their fair use rules and regulations which results in an instant ban and channel closure.