The last fake streamer thread ever needed.

[maxd]

look here dumb dumb ...

I highly recommend to have a (re)read of the Forum Rules, item 1.1 in particular.

1.1 - No "Flaming": Please do not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. Abusive behavior will not be tolerated and your account may be suspended. Please refrain from potty mouth language.

If you repeat this behaviour you can expect to be introduced to the ban hammer.

 

[mikeMega]

I highly recommend to have a (re)read of the Forum Rules, item 1.1 in particular.

If you repeat this behaviour you can expect to be introduced to the ban hammer.

thats fair enough but with all due respect that person totally mis quoted me, put words in my mouth and hurled gambling problem accusations at me so if they can get away with that then where is my protection?I will not take that behaviour or treatment from anyone on interwebs or in person so ban away to your hearts content.

 

[5ta]

Insults are going to drag this thread into another realm, so let's leave that realm alone.

The reality of this yet again is that this is nothing to do with personal entertainment. That much has been made very clear by now, multiple times.. and yes I am very aware of this also being the case on many previous discussions on various discussion sites.

1. fake streamers are 100% part of the immoral side of gambling.

I make no bones about it. I flat out request CM staff to banish me for saying it, if I cannot say it here. I am comfortable to say it.

However, in line with CM rules; the great thing on this debate is there is ZERO need to bring names into it. This is about the discussion, not pointing fingers. We know it's happening and many people think it is all shades of wrong.

This isn't a facebook page buying 1/2 a million likes to look self important to then see every spam post they make get 18-40 likes from actual users who have been fooled into thinking they are taking part in a big facebook page.

This is about the growing pressure on the gambling world to QUIT underhanded ploys to lasso the weaker minded into thinking they can reproduce what they see. Also because it is a disgusting falsehood. They or the public see no excitement in demo play streams otherwise demo play streams would be massive. The only place that exists is in demo-ing highly anticipated slots before the public can try them in demo mode or in real play. DOA 2 and The Final Countdown being two good recent examples. The time span for this and the sheer amount of slots coming out makes it unfeasible in the short and long term.

Myself I would like to see casinos doing this, put out of business. At best it goes completely against the reason for things like gamban, caring for addictions and so on. Hey, if people can commit suicide because of gambling, it seems not even quite far enough that a casino should be ruined for being scum.

 

[maxd]

thats fair enough ...

You'd best just leave it at that. If you have a response to someone -- whether they've misquoted you or whatever -- feel free to do so within the forum rules. If you can't manage that then hit the road, simples.

... 1. fake streamers are 100% part of the immoral side of gambling.

I make no bones about it. I flat out request CM staff to banish me for saying it, if I cannot say it here....

Say what? Look around, where has there been a single case of someone getting banned here for being critical of streamers? Or critical of anything else in the gambling world for that matter. You've certainly been around Casinomeister long enough to know that, and to know better that to make such a spurious accusation.

People get banned for Forum Rules violations, period.

 

[Playford7]

You'd best just leave it at that. If you have a response to someone -- whether they've misquoted you or whatever -- feel free to do so within the forum rules. If you can't manage that then hit the road, simples.



Say what? Look around, where has there been a single case of someone getting banned here for being critical of streamers? Or critical of anything else in the gambling world for that matter. You've certainly been around Casinomeister long enough to know that, and to know better that to make such a spurious accusation.

People get banned for Forum Rules violations, period.

Must agree here.
As some may of noticed in the past I’ve been a ‘tad’ vocal about streaming and affiliates in general.
And I’m still here

 

[Casinomeister]

We allow our members to criticize streamers here. You can criticize ISIS or even the Catholic church. We don't care - just respect the rules like everyone else, and we are good to go

 

[Casinomeister]

Back to the topic at hand, as long as you have loosely regulated casinos (like those hosted in the Caribbean), you will have affiliates doing whatever blows their skirts up in order to make that great affiliate cash. Shit marketing spam tactics, flooding the internet with crap portals, or bullshitting streamers. It's going to haven.

The UKGC does not own the internet, and they would have a pretty difficult time policing the "rogue" streamer. All they can do is tighten their regs with UK facing casinos. Honestly, I would be shocked if any UK facing casino is still dealing with advertising via the streaming community. UKGC casinos are forbidden to use certain terms in their advertising language, and this is trickling down to their advertisers. From what I have seen, a vast majority of streamers can be loose cannons - but I am sure there are a good hearty few who are doing this honestly with good intentions.

 

[Chipmonkz]

Ok, i can see a lot of differing opinions here so this is my experience.
100 Percent some streams are using fake money so how do I know?

I used to work for an online news channel and did a lot of investigative journalist work for this role so I talk from experience.
A little while back was chatting to another streamer who I won't name who had suspicions about someone being fake and I decided to test the water.
I spoke to a few affiliate managers who I don't work with to see who would offer me a funded account to use.
From the 5 I spoke to 2 said yes 1 did not reply and 2 said no.
I personally only use real money and have shown on stream many times that this is the case.
If you are using fake money to get people to sign up then your bad news.
If you state its demo money I have no issues with this as long as you are clear.

Its been a long road for me to get to where I am at and to see other people use fake money to cheat there way to earning thousands every month makes me feel sick.
I won't be crass enough to name the two well-known brands who offered me demo cash but believe me this does exist and needs to stop soon.

We streamers are not all bad I care about my viewers and what they do, so please don't tar us all with the same brush.

My main point here is to clarify that fake streamers do exist and we should be concerned that this is the case.
Thanks for reading

 

[shadow123]

Personally I would make it compulsory for all streamers to prove that it is real money play and to state what bonuses are linked to the cash they are playing.
Also put a reasonable limit on the play stakes.It wouldnt matter a jot what they did if it was for pure entertainment but when it is to recruit players to provide an
income its a different matter altogether.Giving a false impression of how easy it is to win at various casinos to rope in naive player is totally unethical.
You could say it is no different to casino tv adverts but streaming winning session after winning session is so misleading.
Obviously there is no entertainment value in watching losing sessions,I can have one of of those myself anytime I want and I know a few streamers do show them
occasionally but the overall impression given is how easy it is to turn a modest deposit into a large withdrawal.

 

[Borgie]

Personally I would make it compulsory for all streamers to prove that it is real money play and to state what bonuses are linked to the cash they are playing.
Also put a reasonable limit on the play stakes.It wouldnt matter a jot what they did if it was for pure entertainment but when it is to recruit players to provide an
income its a different matter altogether.Giving a false impression of how easy it is to win at various casinos to rope in naive player is totally unethical.
You could say it is no different to casino tv adverts but streaming winning session after winning session is so misleading.
Obviously there is no entertainment value in watching losing sessions,I can have one of of those myself anytime I want and I know a few streamers do show them
occasionally but the overall impression given is how easy it is to turn a modest deposit into a large withdrawal.

Chip who posted above you streams 5 days a week - I would say 3 out of 5 of those streams are losing sessions sometimes even more . He always states what the bonus/cash ratio is and what sort of bonus it is. Unfortunately not all streamers are so honest.

 

[shadow123]

Have no problem with guys like him and applaud his honestly but i see very few as ethical as him

 

[AdamBetsMax]

without mentioning names, the "fake" streamers you think are "fake", are just OPINIONS. I would say we should all follow how the court of law works... INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Even the ones that play $50/spin. It's very possible to do if you are getting 300% bonus on a $2000 deposit.

There is NO evidence for the claims that anyone is fake. Plus, you don't know how many people are actually behind the wagering. If I get 10 friends together doing $50 spins, that's not so much now, is it?

I really can't stand how everyone accuses people of being fake without ANY proof, just speculation.

 

[SpinUk]

Actually, I got told the opposite by one streamer. He said the 'loaded account' is quite common because it lessens the expense to the casino in as much as they don't have to fork out affiliate money AND winnings from +EV bonuses.

He also told me he asked one casino if he could play with real funds and they asked him why the hell he'd want to do that.

Either way, I view twitch steams as a little entertainment of an evening and I'm quite happy to moderate for the non deceptive ones.

Thank you for confirming. As i have been saying many times recently - there is no way the casino would reward a bonused to the teeth streamer with winnings AND pay them affiliate income - they would lose many £100k doing this.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I got another one. Casino's putting in competitions for who wagers the most, and in return get like 1000$ or euro's where bonus rules (x35 wagering) applies. Lmao. Dont people see or understand that all casino's care about is that the money being played sticks within their pool only?

 

[goatwack]

People still having a hard time spotting fake disingenuous streamers from 'everyman' reasonable ones is what bemuses me

 

[shadow123]

Nowdays everything bemuses me

 

[Playford7]

Ok, i can see a lot of differing opinions here so this is my experience.
100 Percent some streams are using fake money so how do I know?

I used to work for an online news channel and did a lot of investigative journalist work for this role so I talk from experience.
A little while back was chatting to another streamer who I won't name who had suspicions about someone being fake and I decided to test the water.
I spoke to a few affiliate managers who I don't work with to see who would offer me a funded account to use.
From the 5 I spoke to 2 said yes 1 did not reply and 2 said no.
I personally only use real money and have shown on stream many times that this is the case.
If you are using fake money to get people to sign up then your bad news.
If you state its demo money I have no issues with this as long as you are clear.

Its been a long road for me to get to where I am at and to see other people use fake money to cheat there way to earning thousands every month makes me feel sick.
I won't be crass enough to name the two well-known brands who offered me demo cash but believe me this does exist and needs to stop soon.

We streamers are not all bad I care about my viewers and what they do, so please don't tar us all with the same brush.

My main point here is to clarify that fake streamers do exist and we should be concerned that this is the case.
Thanks for reading

Coming from the most uneducated, knowledge lacking shill this is laughable.
You been called out multiple times for the clipjoints you have promoted.
You have vested interests with folks losing money to top up your coffers.
Let’s not pretend you give a shit, parasites like you are unable.
No matter what way you wish to look at it, your so called ‘business’ is cancer.

 

[goatwack]

If there's any points not raised above, now's the time

 

[Playford7]

If there's any points not raised above, now's the time

How is the weather your way mate?..

 

[Chipmonkz]

And here you are on a website filled with affiliates or parasites as you call us ....

Coming from the most uneducated, knowledge lacking shill this is laughable.
You been called out multiple times for the clipjoints you have promoted.
You have vested interests with folks losing money to top up your coffers.
Let’s not pretend you give a shit, parasites like you are unable.
No matter what way you wish to look at it, your so called ‘business’ is cancer.

 

[mikeMega]

Personally I would make it compulsory for all streamers to prove that it is real money play and to state what bonuses are linked to the cash they are playing.
Also put a reasonable limit on the play stakes.It wouldnt matter a jot what they did if it was for pure entertainment but when it is to recruit players to provide an
income its a different matter altogether.Giving a false impression of how easy it is to win at various casinos to rope in naive player is totally unethical.
You could say it is no different to casino tv adverts but streaming winning session after winning session is so misleading.
Obviously there is no entertainment value in watching losing sessions,I can have one of of those myself anytime I want and I know a few streamers do show them
occasionally but the overall impression given is how easy it is to turn a modest deposit into a large withdrawal.

That is the most logical,honest and fair assessment I have seen so far, I agree with that 100%. I think the streamer needs to be absolutely transparent and make it known to the audience that they have an advantage with their deposit bonuses and explain that to their viewers so the viewers know their own shot at the slots,with a cash deposit only, will have a much smaller chance of win. Theres still a chance for sure but no where near as good a chance as some streamers portray. E.G. a 100% Deposit bonuses give you twice the chances and double the volume of spins as a straight cash deposit and this should be stated clearly. There are many gullible and naive people out there and they should be protected from false advertising or any deceptive premises. I think it is fair for streamers to have deposit bonuses and realistically I think these bonuses are necessary for a lengthy stream to provide the right amount of content. I have no issues with anyone who is legit and using bonuses I just think it should be made law that if a streamer is getting affiliation money from sign ups then they owe their sign ups the truth and the exact terms they have attached to their bonuses should be stated and the fact that they have a better chance to hit something than any standard depositor has should be stated clearly. The sign ups are the streamers bread and butter so the least these people deserve is honesty.

 

[dunover]

Right - due to some of the crap I've seen being thrown here, it's closed until Bryan or MaxD take a look. People should know better than some of the flaming and language being used.

 

[Casinomeister]

Coming from the most uneducated, knowledge lacking shill this is laughable.
You been called out multiple times for the clipjoints you have promoted.
You have vested interests with folks losing money to top up your coffers.
Let’s not pretend you give a shit, parasites like you are unable.
No matter what way you wish to look at it, your so called ‘business’ is cancer.

Sorry, but this is severe flaming. I don't care if you hate the guy's guts, he is a fellow member and our community rules specifically forbid this type of behavior. 7 days in the pokie. Please don't do this again.

 

[5ta]

Coming from the most uneducated, knowledge lacking shill this is laughable.
You been called out multiple times for the clipjoints you have promoted.
You have vested interests with folks losing money to top up your coffers.
Let’s not pretend you give a shit, parasites like you are unable.
No matter what way you wish to look at it, your so called ‘business’ is cancer.

While I fully agree that the gambling industry preys on chancers by default and addicts are more than sadly collateral damage in the grand scheme of things, fake streamers are just one of the underhanded tactics the industry finds companies and either mere mortals or vested individuals using to profit. I dare say some streamers are real and some of them get screwed over so this helps to hear about some of the underhanded shady things going on but :

What real proof do we have aside from hearsay ?

One thing that struck me was one streamer admitting he has shares in at least one online casino. I don't remember if that was the same casino they were streaming on but in the very least, part of talking about it, was to promote it. That made me wonder about how staff in land based casinos are not allowed to play in their own company stores although I don't know if this is just company policy or law.

We feel we know there are fake streamers but are there really ? We also know there are or easily could be different levels of fake streamers from demo play pretense to full on employees posing as real players on fully fake however fully genuine developer accounts.

At no point am I supporting any accusation both because I have no proof and because it's against the rules (here) but it would be very easy for me to sit here and list a barrage of streamers on conspired reasons why I think they are fake. And none of that would mean or prove they are fake.

Of course, to know and prove someone is a fake streamer, would surely take some inside information. That I feel is not impossible and that is what really makes me think this has a feasible bottom line as something that can and will come in the future.

Sure, if someone is pretending demo mode is real and trying to run affiliation without the consent of the casinos they promote then the onus is on them and at best should be known as scum. Cut through the middle of all the other possible definitions (methods) of fake streamer up to the golden handshake deals, we find the worst of the extreme.

There is no doubt that people out there are more than capable of all of this.

 

[mikeMega]

While I fully agree that the gambling industry preys on chancers by default and addicts are more than sadly collateral damage in the grand scheme of things, fake streamers are just one of the underhanded tactics the industry finds companies and either mere mortals or vested individuals using to profit. I dare say some streamers are real and some of them get screwed over so this helps to hear about some of the underhanded shady things going on but :

What real proof do we have aside from hearsay ?

One thing that struck me was one streamer admitting he has shares in at least one online casino. I don't remember if that was the same casino they were streaming on but in the very least, part of talking about it, was to promote it. That made me wonder about how staff in land based casinos are not allowed to play in their own company stores although I don't know if this is just company policy or law.

We feel we know there are fake streamers but are there really ? We also know there are or easily could be different levels of fake streamers from demo play pretense to full on employees posing as real players on fully fake however fully genuine developer accounts.

At no point am I supporting any accusation both because I have no proof and because it's against the rules (here) but it would be very easy for me to sit here and list a barrage of streamers on conspired reasons why I think they are fake. And none of that would mean or prove they are fake.

Of course, to know and prove someone is a fake streamer, would surely take some inside information. That I feel is not impossible and that is what really makes me think this has a feasible bottom line as something that can and will come in the future.

Sure, if someone is pretending demo mode is real and trying to run affiliation without the consent of the casinos they promote then the onus is on them and at best should be known as scum. Cut through the middle of all the other possible definitions (methods) of fake streamer up to the golden handshake deals, we find the worst of the extreme.

There is no doubt that people out there are more than capable of all of this.

In regards to the streamer that admitted having shares in a casino, I think I know who you are referring to, is it the same guy that wears an "I train while you sleep" t shirt while streaming? If its that guy, he definitely cant be trusted because he clearly does no training at all...how can I tell? The "I train while you sleep" logo on the shirt doesnt hide his man boobs sticking out underneath it.....in fact it just draws more attention to them LMAO