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He has been asked several times.
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The 5 million Euro Gold Rally Jackpot has been won, anybody knows where?
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This really does deserve some questions/answers. Just seems super shady.
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CasinoMeister is STILL not one of the 276 people who have looked at this thread...
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May be Casinomeister won it
Since there seems to be autoplay option behind the Menu section in this game at most casinos at least, I guess there is no reason for a rich jackpot hunter to cheat with macroing at this game, so that takes away one possible scenario.
I searched, but couldn't find anything about this. Very suspicious.
I DID find out about some poor sod who who $1.5 million on the same game at Titan Casino (Rogue!) in May last year.
With their ridiculous $10K/month cash-out limit, that guy still has another TWELVE YEARS to wait for the casino to give him the money which NEVER BELONGED TO THE CASINO IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Makes me want to vomit!
KK
Also someone from Chile won $1,378,389.83 in Fanstastic Four slot in November 2011 at Titan Casino. So it will take 11 years and 7 months for that person to get his money, meaning he has received only $320k of that jackpot thus far and will have to wait until summer 2023 to get the whole jackpot...
CasinoMeister is STILL not one of the 276 people who have looked at this thread...
He has been asked several times.
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I sent him a message recently and now he has seen it.
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Someone must be able to give an answer here? I mean WTF... I know that there are a lot of shady Playtech casinos, still the software is probably technically one of the best casino softwares out there, and they must care at least a bit about their reputation!
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Clearly not.
Looks more like they hope that if they keep quiet the issue will be forgotten, and players will stop worrying where all that money went.
€5 million is rather a large sum to simply vanish without trace, and is hardly the "transparency" that builds trust among operators and players.
If they cared about being open and honest, there would have been an official statement long ago.
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club cold maybe, and the they pissed the lot and ran off to new software
on a serious not though...
if all members looks on their countries' IRS - facebook pages, youll find out where the happy bstrds are waiting 2 collect them some taxes
on a serious not though...
if all members looks on their countries' IRS - facebook pages, youll find out where the happy bstrds are waiting 2 collect them some taxes
Pretty disgusting that this thread has now been open for coming up to 1 year to be met with a wall of silence.
The owner of Playtech is hardly a saint either...
The owner of Playtech is hardly a saint either...
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I never heard about this at the time but I'm really gobsmacked now ... what can we do about it as a community? With CMs help surely there is something?
We can play elsewhere...
Seriously, I think Bryan should contact some Playtech friends, let them come with an explanation.
We can play elsewhere...
Seriously, I think Bryan should contact some Playtech friends, let them come with an explanation.
I think Bryan should respond to this thread
However given that he hasn't, my guess is that it isn't the meisters role to pursue suspicious fraudulant acts that haven't affected any single player PERSONALLY.
If someone came on the forum and started complaining that they had their 5 million win stolen from them, its a different story. Other than that, I'd imagine that from a business perspective, pressuring Playtech could also result in the loss of a potential customer so pursueing this for a reason that may not strictly fall under his job duties/requirments just isn't worth it.......just my two cents
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I think Bryan should respond to this thread
However given that he hasn't, my guess is that it isn't the meisters role to pursue suspicious fraudulant acts that haven't affected any single player PERSONALLY.
If someone came on the forum and started complaining that they had their 5 million win stolen from them, its a different story. Other than that, I'd imagine that from a business perspective, pressuring Playtech could also result in the loss of a potential customer so pursueing this for a reason that may not strictly fall under his job duties/requirments just isn't worth it.......just my two cents
It has potentially defrauded ALL players who have played this game, and if unchallenged, could lead to Playtech thinking it's OK to carry on behaving like this.
All that is needed is transparency, a reasonable explanation of what happened to the money after it was "won", and why we have the most peculiar situation whereby no casino wants to claim responsibility for having some $5 million won from their site
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I think Bryan should respond to this thread
However given that he hasn't, my guess is that it isn't the meisters role to pursue suspicious fraudulant acts that haven't affected any single player PERSONALLY.
If someone came on the forum and started complaining that they had their 5 million win stolen from them, its a different story. Other than that, I'd imagine that from a business perspective, pressuring Playtech could also result in the loss of a potential customer so pursueing this for a reason that may not strictly fall under his job duties/requirments just isn't worth it.......just my two cents
Well thats just not acceptable IMO. The person who started the thread stated they had invested a fortune trying to win this progressive jackpot - it was WAAAAY outside its usual boundaries when it was won this time, there will most likely have been many players like the OP who figured it was a super +EV opportunity. I did play a little at the time but not enough that I cared what happened when the jackpot disappeared, but now I know I paid even a penny into that progressive pot, and it was stolen, it REALLY bothers me.
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There seems to be a lot of rabble-rousing going on here.
1. We don't know if it has been 'stolen'.
2. We don't know if it has been won and paid quietly.
3. If (2) applies then people are assuming that the event is dodgy because they haven't heard about it.
4. Instead of speculating maybe somebody contact the IOM authority and ask them to investigate.
5. Maybe contact Playtech and ask them, before asking CM to do it?
I must admit that PT do not have a good reputation by allowing casinos to have huge jackpots then withhold them from the winning player for years. I do not play at Playtech sites as they are associated with too many rogues.
The main essence of this thread is speculative until somebody who's that bothered about it makes proper enquiries.
1. We don't know if it has been 'stolen'.
2. We don't know if it has been won and paid quietly.
3. If (2) applies then people are assuming that the event is dodgy because they haven't heard about it.
4. Instead of speculating maybe somebody contact the IOM authority and ask them to investigate.
5. Maybe contact Playtech and ask them, before asking CM to do it?
I must admit that PT do not have a good reputation by allowing casinos to have huge jackpots then withhold them from the winning player for years. I do not play at Playtech sites as they are associated with too many rogues.
The main essence of this thread is speculative until somebody who's that bothered about it makes proper enquiries.
If you we're running a business where Playtech was one of your customers and none of their players (who are also your "customers" so to speak) filed
a PAB, would you pursue them?
Perhaps the OP should('ve) filed a PAB. Actually perhaps all of you who have played this jackpot should file one collectively?
I'm not sure, but from the 7-8 months I've been a member here, my impression is that Casinomeister doesn't pursue fraudulent casinos whenever a PAB HAS NOT been filed. However if I'm wrong here, I'd love to be enlightened
a PAB, would you pursue them?
Perhaps the OP should('ve) filed a PAB. Actually perhaps all of you who have played this jackpot should file one collectively?
I'm not sure, but from the 7-8 months I've been a member here, my impression is that Casinomeister doesn't pursue fraudulent casinos whenever a PAB HAS NOT been filed. However if I'm wrong here, I'd love to be enlightened
Most Playtech casinos reserve even the right to use the first name of progressive winners for promotional purposes, I don't really see Playtech and the casino going along with some nutty paranoia, unless the winner chose to pay off Playtech and the casino from the jackpot, to compensate for missed PR and the damage that this secrecy around the case of this jackpot is causing Playtech.
You can tell the name of the casino and something about the winner without compromising the identity of winner at all and ask the winner to give interview, where he tells nothing of himself, just about his feelings when he won the jackpot and how that slot, that casino and Playtech are awesome.
Here could be shortened and less formal versions of press release and interview
Interview of the winner:
Now, to get Playtech and the casino where it was won to go along with some nutty paranoia, and not to release this kind of information that doesn't really compromise the identity of winner in anyway, the winner would have had to paid the casino and Playtech pretty big chunk of the jackpot. I don't think this is likely.
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I know Casino X which uses Microgaming platform, but never heard about Casino X on Playtech 
I know Casino X which uses Microgaming platform, but never heard about Casino X on Playtech
I didn't know that casino X even existed.
Edited it now and replaced casino X with *insert Playtech casino's name*, since I didn't want to use any real casino in this example, because I didn't want to associate any casino with this jackpot mess.
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Was it heavychips or chipspalace ...? Omfg then u r gonne be screwed . Maybe deposit back
It has potentially defrauded ALL players who have played this game, and if unchallenged, could lead to Playtech thinking it's OK to carry on behaving like this.
All that is needed is transparency, a reasonable explanation of what happened to the money after it was "won", and why we have the most peculiar situation whereby no casino wants to claim responsibility for having some $5 million won from their site
Well I'm not trying to justify Playtechs action here, but perhaps they feel that 5 million justifies the financial loss of having their reputation take another hit. Smart business decision then if this is the case
As for Casinomeister, their ultimately a business too and for reasons already suggested/guessed, can't financially justify jumping into this fray.
I don't think there is much Casinomeister can do, Playtech already got many "worst" awards in "Best and Worst in Online Gambling for 2013", maybe give even more of them in 2014 edition?
https://www.casinomeister.com/static/meister_awards/bestworst2013.php
Many Playtech casinos are blacklisted for being rogue and many are on not-recommended list for predatory progressive withdrawal terms.
There are few Playtech casinos where playing progressive jackpot games is as safe as in any NetEnt or Microgaming casino. As software provider Playtech might be somewhat evil, but their actual software in itself isn't anymore evil than any other software. So Casinomeister can not really give anykind of "Drop Playtech or lose your accreditation" ultimatum, nor should they. That wouldn't work, accredited Playtech casinos wouldn't do that since dropping off any software provider can really piss off existing customer base, and it would be unfair towards honest Playtech casinos and players who want to play Playtech at reliable casinos.
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I agree with you (sort of); Certainly they couldn't drop any one Playtech casino for this....
However Casinomeister COULD acknowledge this problem or this thread and Maxd could (if necessary) issue an official warning statement about progessive jackpots at Playtech casinos. The fact that they haven't done any of this (and we all know everyone has seen this thread) leads me to ponder that the reason must be business/financial related and/or because it isn't official policy to investigate suspicious activities when no PAB has been issued.
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Let's not beat around the bush, you're saying that we're on the take or get some financial reward for not outing whomever it is you think we should be outing. If that is what you believe then why are you still here? The only reason I can imagine is that you think you're on some crusade to expose our wrong-doings or whatever. Right, well, you are cordially invited to take your dirt elsewhere and the Posting Rules tell you why:
The truth is that (a) Bryan is very busy these days and may well not have had the time to look at this seriously, assuming he would feel it needs serious looking at to begin with and (b) I do PABs and from those PABs come the Warnings I issue. If you want to raise the flag on something you have two options: (1) Report the thread in question or (2) start a PAB. AFAIK you have done neither, yet you're willing to come on the forums and call us bent based on nothing more than your "pondering". That's troll behaviour and if that's really where you want to go then, again, the door is where you are headed (if not the curb).
Either be constructive and DO SOMETHING to raise the issue you apparently feel needs attention or bugger off and do your dirt somewhere else.
PS. before you try the "I have a PAB so I had no option" approach I remind you that we are ALWAYS willing to entertain requests for exceptions. No guarantees that we'll grant the exception but if you make a good case there's a good chance we will. Site veterans know this and before you start talking trash about us you should avail yourself of their expertise. Assuming that you know better and are at liberty to crap on us and our reputation is an error on both counts. Repeat this kind of behaviour and we'll escort you off the premises without hesitation.
Why on Earth would you think I'm suggesting that???
Anyways good to see you have time to respond to my post; Hopefully you'll eventually have time to respond to the issue raised in this thread too
Anyways, I'm out of this little debate now...Cheers gang
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I quoted the relevant bit, read it for yourself. "The fact that they haven't done any of this ... must be business/financial related" is pretty hard to misread. I doubt I did.
Yes, it was Reported so I knew it needed attention. Pretty much the same procedure I recommended you follow, no?
I would say that there is pretty big emphasis already that you need to be picky with Playtech casinos when it comes to progressives
Not Recommended Casinos
Playtech Casinos with Progressive Limitations
https://www.casinomeister.com/rogue-casinos/
Also the thread about Playtech casinos with predatory progressive terms has been stickified, so despite of nobody posting in that thread for almost 7 months, it is still on front page, above normal threads that have had posts today in this forum section.
Important Stuff: Not Recommended Playtech Casinos with predatory progessive terms
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...ith-predatory-progessive-terms.57604/?t=57604
Good point, thanks.
I was in a land based casino and there was a machine malfunction that a technician came in and fixed.
I noticed after he fixed it, the jackpot meter was reset.
As a player I don't really like to see this because that money belongs to players. And some jackpots on machines are pretty high; where I'm from some go as high as ~9k.
I understand that there are rules against this in Las Vegas but not in my country.
I noticed after he fixed it, the jackpot meter was reset.
As a player I don't really like to see this because that money belongs to players. And some jackpots on machines are pretty high; where I'm from some go as high as ~9k.
I understand that there are rules against this in Las Vegas but not in my country.
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Thanks to KK's link in the upcoming awards for 2014 thread, did I finally have time to get involved here. Sorry for the delay, but there is always a hell of a lot on my plate, and sometimes it can take several prods to get me on something.
I'll ask to see what's up with this. Hopefully I can get an answer quickly.
I'll ask to see what's up with this. Hopefully I can get an answer quickly.
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See, all it took was an email to ask. Sorry about that.
It's been confirmed that the jackpot win was for Euro 4,615,263.40 at Bet365 on 30 November 2013. Sorry it took me a year to get it together, but better late then never, right?
See, all it took was an email to ask. Sorry about that.
It's been confirmed that the jackpot win was for Euro 4,615,263.40 at Bet365 on 30 November 2013. Sorry it took me a year to get it together, but better late then never, right?
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See, all it took was an email to ask. Sorry about that.
Do you know how fast they paid?
I expect it should have worked flawlessly since Bet365 is üretty much the best Playtech Casino out there...- Joined
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And it's very strange also, that a Google search for "Gold Rally winner at Bet365" only comes back with loads of results for a $1.5 million win in 2011, and no trace of any such announcement for this 4x bigger win in 2013...
You would have thought the casino would be doing a "song and dance" about such a massive win.
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And it's very strange also, that a Google search for "Gold Rally winner at Bet365" only comes back with loads of results for a $1.5 million win in 2011, and no trace of any such announcement for this 4x bigger win in 2013...
You would have thought the casino would be doing a "song and dance" about such a massive win.
KK
It could be (only a guess) that the recipient may have wanted to keep it quiet (ex-wives, greedy relatives, tax collectors, etc.). If I bump into these guys in London, I'll try to remember to ask.
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It could be (only a guess) that the recipient may have wanted to keep it quiet (ex-wives, greedy relatives, tax collectors, etc.). If I bump into these guys in London, I'll try to remember to ask.
It seems overkill to go so far as to hide the fact that the jackpot was even won, and this meant that for well over a year this cast a cloud of suspicion on a software that has a reputation for looking the other way whilst a dodgy operator pockets a progressive payout.
There should be no problem in announcing that a jackpot was won, but saying absolutely nothing about the player, nor even revealing his country.
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That is one hellva beer haze my friend .. HAHA
Can't wait to see you in London so we can start the next yr off with a proper beer toast to 2015
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Supposedly Jackpot Tracker
This site here claims to be a "jackpot tracker"
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Anyways -- thar she be.
Cheers.
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Anyways -- thar she be.
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Yes, but that site still does not confirm that it actually was at Bet365, which is what Bryan was told.
But he didn't say who told him: if it was Bet365 themselves I would 100% believe it, but if the info came from Playtech... well I wouldn't be quite so sure...
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But he didn't say who told him: if it was Bet365 themselves I would 100% believe it, but if the info came from Playtech... well I wouldn't be quite so sure...
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If it wasn't for the lack of trust caused by cases like the theft of some $2 million by Joyland casino, both from the winning player and the player community as a whole, we would be more willing to assume that the jackpot was won and properly paid out to a player who had requested anonymity.
The issue in this case was that the secrecy raised serious questions as to whether this was another case of an operator pocketing a progressive and a player getting ripped off, with the secrecy simply being down to the cover up needed to keep the matter out of the gaze of the player community. After all, the stolen $2 million at Joyland was shown by trackers as having been properly won and paid, and had the victim not come forward, we would have been none the wiser. A player from South Africa was ripped off in a similar manner before this, yet in both cases Playtech just sat back and allowed the operator to get away with it.
It is still very odd that Bet365 didn't simply issue a press release as per usual in such a situation, but one that gave away nothing that could identify the player that won, and stating that the winner had requested anonymity, a request that was being granted. It should not have taken so long to get an answer if it was REALLY just a simple matter of asking around in order to be given confirmation from a respected operator that the jackpot was won and duly paid out at their venue.
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I don't play at playtech casino's since the warning arrived on here. I mean that's why we're all on the site to heed these warnings is it not!?
I won a £2500 or thereabouts random marvel JP at a playtech casino a while back before the warning was introduced, I was messed around, and in short I never recieved a penny from them.
But it's frustrating, as when you play decent casino's there isnt a problem paying out, I won a £1100 marvel JP @ 888casino without ever making a deposit, and it was paid out by personal cheque as I hadnt put up any bank details due to never depositing before, they were most helpful in getting the money to me.
But it's swings and roundabouts, as I've heard horror stories from 888casino aswell.
Playing online can be an absolute minefield.
I won a £2500 or thereabouts random marvel JP at a playtech casino a while back before the warning was introduced, I was messed around, and in short I never recieved a penny from them.
But it's frustrating, as when you play decent casino's there isnt a problem paying out, I won a £1100 marvel JP @ 888casino without ever making a deposit, and it was paid out by personal cheque as I hadnt put up any bank details due to never depositing before, they were most helpful in getting the money to me.
But it's swings and roundabouts, as I've heard horror stories from 888casino aswell.
Playing online can be an absolute minefield.
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Yet another, albeit pretty minor, operator theft of a progressive pool payout. It seems this is pretty much routine, and obviously condoned by Playtech. Operators are using the confiscation of progressive payouts as an additional revenue stream when this money should either be paid out or returned to the progressive pool from which it came. The revelation that Playtech actually OPERATE some casinos (the white label portfolio) out of a subsidiary company in Manila is even more damning as one of their excuses has been "we are merely the software supplier, we do not operate any casinos ourselves".
By being less that transparent over this incident, some of the tar from the brush has invariably splashed onto Bet365, and it seems that "something still isn't right" despite this recent explanation.
Yeah it would've been nice if Bet365 gave an explanation. Weird.
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I remember asking on here, (and it may have been the reason I joined) when I won that progressive.
I was informed it was an independent pool and that I should have no problem having the progressive paid out, but alas it wasn't the case.
I tried emailing the regulatory body at the time, and don't recall ever hearing back from them, same with Playtech.
I learned my lesson the hard way about playing with Playtech casinos and from now on I don't go near them.
Why high street retailers are entertaining them I'll never know, some of the behaviour is up there with the roguest of rogues.
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Well Playtech is majority owned by Teddy Sagi who did time for stock market fraud and bribery in Israel in the 90s. The fish rots from the head down as they say.
