There are many aspects of 9/11 that are overlooked, unnoticed, forgotten, hardly researched, one such aspect is rooftop rescues...........
I am fully aware on the normal procedures of fires in high rise buildings, head for the ground and keep going, never go up, up is bad. Common sense time.....
1. What if the way down is blocked?, and going up is the only option left, also is it not the case that most buildings with fire escapes in, these escapes are in the way of steel staircases which actually start at the roof and lead down.
2. So in several cases up is good, it can and has saved lives, after all any option that is open that increases the chance to survive has to be good.... yes?.
3. Yes of course it does, especially with the added bonus of extra tall towers and flat enough roofs for helicopters to land on, in fact when the way down is completely cut off, otherwise known as the floors above the impact zone, this is the only chance of survival you have.
4. Why where these doors locked via a central locking system and controlled via security when anyone with an IQ above 0 can work out they should be classified as fire escape doors, and have the obligatory `In case of emergency break glass status`.
37 people in the north tower that were trapped committed suicide by jumping, it is estimated that another 700 that died were in the floors above the initial impact, someone decided for these people that death was the only option via locking these doors and no emergency release mechanism installed, someone decided that having a fire escape route to the roof was not an option, someone had removed the only choice available from a one option only equation.... WHY?.
Was it the same person that prohibited pilots that are trained to rescue people in far more hazardous situations than that day, from rescuing anyone who did make it to the roofs?, these guys pluck people from the sea in ravaging hurricanes, they rescue shot or wounded comrades in battle zones, they rescue mountaineers that have broken limbs in high risk zones, they rescue trapped people who make it to roof tops in buildings bombed by terrorists 1993 (ring any bells?).
Who removed the roof top option of survival and forbid helicopter rescues on 9/11 and why.
Debunk this thread as much as you want, but no amount of debunking can explain why a 100% chance to die was enforced for those on and above storeys of the initial impact.
A dead man tells no tales.
This guy had a tale to tell until the ABC reporters were ordered to ignore him.
WTC Victim Gartenberg Live On ABC
Core was blown from the inside out
Trapped on the 86th floor of WTC1 by blocked fire doors, Mr James M Gartenberg (age - 36) was just 8 floors below where the aircraft struck. Mr Gartenberg was on the east side of the North Tower facing the East River and the aircraft struck on the north-east side of the North Tower. The core must have blown towards Mr Gartenberg else how could he have seen it? The inner glass was blown out on the 86th floor, but not the outer glass according to Mr Gartenberg. Therefore the heavy core blowing out was almost at right angle to the direction of the aircraft inertia. Eight floors lower and the heavy core blowing out can only be explained by planted demolition charges. Jet fuel burning could not possibly exert that much force 8 floors below the impact zone.
Taking another look at the Jim Gartenberg video
The perfect human interest story for the boob tube addicted Worldwide public audience.
But the MSM, ABC anchors dropped it like a hot potato. Why?
Great initial enthusiasm from the media reporters, with a trapped coherent and quite calm victim on the 86th floor of WTC1 with a good cell phone connection. Jim was willing to talk, calmly taking time to reassure other families who might have loved ones trapped in WTC1 and who might be tuning in to ABC. Jim specifically attempted to describe clearly what he had experienced and witnessed. Don't forget Jim and Patricia Puma were trapped on floor 86, 8 floors below the impact at floors 94 to 98. And the core of each tower was immensely strong, constructed with huge structural steel girders upon which burning fuel would be like a puff of smoke.
From the video
Jim: . . . . part of the core of the building is blown out . . .
. . . . . . .
Female anchor: What time did you get to work?
Jim: I got to work around 8 o'clock this morning, and . . I think this happened about 8:45.
Female anchor: It did. Describe what you felt.
Jim: I felt .. eh .. I felt . . just the whole build .. I heard a noise, felt the building shake, saw glass blown out.
The glass on my floor was blown out from the inside of the building out; rather than the exterior windows being blown out.
Female anchor: What were you
Jim: the glass fully shattered with the core of the building .. ehh .. and the interior core, ehh part of the building collapsed.
Female anchor: SILENCE
Male anchor: SILENCE
Jim: hello
Complete loss of interest by the male and female anchors even though Jim can still be heard faintly talking in the background. The b***ards must have turned the sound down. They could have had a nice long interview with him until either his cell phone died or the building fell 53 minutes later. But they didn't give a damn did they? A whole bunch of information about the building and the fires and possible explosions might have been learned, but I guess they wanted no part of any of that. Two people trapped on the 86th floor would at least have had caring human support through their tribulation, but these two a**hole ABC anchors just did not give a sh*t did they?
So some dead men did tell tales.
And maybe these uncaring ABC reporters could have sent Jim and a few others up to the roof somehow, around the blocked fire doors down, and arranged to have security release the roof locks and arranged a rooftop rescue. They had 53 minutes to accomplish it. But no; silence Jim. Ignore him. Don't try to rescue him. Don't try to get fire-fighters to him on the 86th floor. Wouldn't the maximum information obtained from calm, cool, and collected Jim Gartenberg be valuable towards rescue efforts? But no; not this time. Get rid of Jim. Find something more important to report like traffic conditions.
Surely there were other reporters available already reporting on traffic conditions and weather conditions and school closings weren't there? Wasn't so-and-so movie star cheating on his wife during 9-11? Gotta be more important than Jim Gartenberg trapped on the 86th floor of the North Tower.
But living men tell tales don't they? And Jim witnessed the North Tower core blown from the inside out, didn't he? And the 9-11 perps certainly did not want that tale escaping the WTC did they?
God forbid if Jim Gartenberg or Patricia Puma or somebody else trapped on the 86th floor actually had a camera and photos of the blown-out core section. Leave them there. And get them off the air and talk about something else.
Dead men tell no tales.
Crews from the Brooklyn headquarters of the police-aviation bureau had scrambled at the first radio call of an explosion at the trade centre. Of the two choppers that arrived within five minutes of the plane crash, one was a Bell 412 equipped with a 250-foot hoist and capable of carrying as many as 10 survivors at a time. The three-man crew was specially trained for rooftop rescues.
As the police pilots swooped in and peered through a smoke-free area on top of the north tower, however, they saw no one to save. People were still alive on the top floors, according to the New York Fire Department. But Greg Semendinger, the first chopper pilot on the scene, says, "There was nobody on the roof."
Proof a helicopter equipped and manned for roof top rescues was there within 5 minutes, we also know the north edge of the roof was safe for rescues, now i`m gonna put my neck on the line here and state the blatantly obvious, that at least one of the helicopter rescue crew asked `Why are people jumping to their deaths, and not trying to get to the roof top, where we can save them`. What do you believe the reply to that question was?.
Tough Challenge
On Sept. 11, a rescue from the north tower would have been difficult but possible, Mr. Semendinger and other veteran helicopter-rescue pilots say. The first building hit by a hijacked plane, at 8:48 a.m., the north tower was the second to collapse, one hour and 45 minutes later. Records of calls to 911 operators, first reported by the New York Daily News, show that people on the top floors were seeking help at least until 10:12 a.m., one hour and 24 minutes after the strike. With fire raging on the floors below them, they had no hope of walking down to safety.
Whether even a few of those lives could have been saved by a roof rescue isn't clear. Climbing staircases rapidly filling with smoke could have been tough. The plane's impact might have knocked stairway doors out of alignment, making them impassible, regardless of whether they were locked. The intense smoke and forest of rooftop antennas made landing a helicopter impossible. Rescuers also could have had trouble if a crowd of workers turned into a desperate mob, competing to get off the roof.
But Mr. Semendinger says the wind that morning did leave a corner of the tower relatively clear of smoke, almost until the building collapsed. Using a hoist with folding seats, rescuers could have saved as many as a few dozen people, he estimates.
Why was the option to at least have a chance of survival completely removed?, it`s safe to say there was a time span that gave plenty of time to try roof rescues when everyone beneath had escaped the building, in the statement above from rescue pilots (not yours or mine perception of why or why not), they said it was possible.
And like I stated in my original post, give the reason that those trapped were not given the choice or chance of survival, I don`t give a flying f*ck on what laws were passed or not passed regarding roof top rescues, pilots clearly stated it would be hard but not impossible to have saved some if not all.
Why were the doors not broken open and people saved by rescue crews, the same rescue crews that save people from burning oil rigs and so much more?.
Prevention of roof top rescues by persons/people unknown with an after event cover up of "Rooftop rescues were impossible" openly and explicitly proved wrong by the people whom really do count on this issue - The respectively trained and ready to go Rescue Pilots.
Not forgetting that if the Choppers could not land (which they could, no doubting that), the roof top offered another form of escape/survival - The Window Cleaners Cradle.