Something's fishy here

[thebigidy]

English Harbor is terrible along with cherry red and there sister casino's.I've been trying aladdinsgold and that seems to lose way more then Prism or any of meister's other approved one's.Goldencasino has treated me good although it took a while to get paid,but they did pay me several times.Does casinomeister get paid for refering us to loser sights?The rtg's that are in the rogue pit seem to win a ton more than your so called accredited list.How come, for ex,. coolcat and cirrus been around for so long.I think something fishy with this sight is going on.I put my first complaint about englishharbor two days ago,then the meister comes out with an announcment,....Bullshit!
Hey Meister....do you make money from these people saying there great??

 

[Nifty29]

I think this guy left the 'ot' off the end of his username....

I suggest you try Cirrus and Virtual....start off with a nice N/D chip and play away until you cash out.....and then come back and tell us how you go.

 

[RobWin]

English Harbor is terrible along with cherry red and there sister casino's.I've been trying aladdinsgold and that seems to lose way more then Prism or any of meister's other approved one's.Goldencasino has treated me good although it took a while to get paid,but they did pay me several times.Does casinomeister get paid for refering us to loser sights?The rtg's that are in the rogue pit seem to win a ton more than your so called accredited list.How come, for ex,. coolcat and cirrus been around for so long.I think something fishy with this sight is going on.I put my first complaint about englishharbor two days ago,then the meister comes out with an announcment,....Bullshit!
Hey Meister....do you make money from these people saying there great??

So what's your problem, if Coolcat and Prism and Golden Casino are treating you so well then keep on playing there by all means. Good luck getting anyone to help you to recover your cashout though as soon as they decide to renege on you..

I would also venture a guess and say that the main reason coolcat and cirrus have been around for so long is because folks like yourself keep on going back to them to make more deposits no matter how shitty they have treated a hell of a lot of other folks. You are the exact reason why these crooks continue to stay in business.

 

[Louise]

Hi thebigidy,

Just for your information, Cherry Red is one of our casinos and is not connected with the others you mentioned in your post. Our casinos are accredited and are RTG.

Regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[Webzcas]

English Harbor is terrible along with cherry red and there sister casino's.I've been trying aladdinsgold and that seems to lose way more then Prism or any of meister's other approved one's.Goldencasino has treated me good although it took a while to get paid,but they did pay me several times.Does casinomeister get paid for refering us to loser sights?The rtg's that are in the rogue pit seem to win a ton more than your so called accredited list.How come, for ex,. coolcat and cirrus been around for so long.I think something fishy with this sight is going on.I put my first complaint about englishharbor two days ago,then the meister comes out with an announcment,....Bullshit!
Hey Meister....do you make money from these people saying there great??

Oh dear. You need to use google. If you don't believe Bryan have a look at this.

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ALternatively as Nifty says deposit a nice sum at Cirrus or Coolcat and when you win, don't come back here crying.

 

[KasinoKing]

English Harbor is terrible along with cherry red and there sister casino's. I've been trying aladdinsgold and that seems to lose way more then Prism or any of meister's other approved one's.Goldencasino has treated me good although it took a while to get paid,but they did pay me several times.Does casinomeister get paid for refering us to loser sights?The rtg's that are in the rogue pit seem to win a ton more than your so called accredited list.How come, for ex,. coolcat and cirrus been around for so long.I think something fishy with this sight is going on.I put my first complaint about englishharbor two days ago,then the meister comes out with an announcment,....Bullshit!
Hey Meister....do you make money from these people saying there great??

Nice rant!

So you're saying RTG casinos can effect whether you win or lose. In other words you think the software is not random at all and is rigged.
If that's what you think, why do you waste your money playing rigged RTG software at any of their casinos?

 

[kmay87]

Looks like all this guy has done is moan and call rogue on casinos in all of his mere 5 posts, as well as apparently PAB and then spamming the forums with stuff about it. I've never played at Cherry Red or the others in their group, but know they have a stellar reputation, and unless I wanted to throw my money away would I play at a casino named the worst of all time. As others have said, it's not surprising that you might have got paid at Cirrus. But they will suddenly stop, and if you come crying about it on here you can guess what the answer will be.

I guess some people will just never listen to proper advice.

 

[oldtrvlagt]

Obviously you want no one's advice but here's a short story for you.....my husband played at Club Player and Cirrus for quite some time until he learned. You have to keep at them CONSTANTLY to get paid. He won a random jackpot at CP and it took an act of congress to get paid (3 months..numerous emails, live chats, moneygrams..NEVER knowing if he would get all of it) and then he gets an email from "security" telling him he can never have another bonus, and basically threatening him that he'd never be able to cashout again. WHY WOULD ANYONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND PLAY AT A PLACE LIKE THAT? It's your hard earned $$$$$..that's like going out and investing with Bernie Madoff's companies AFTER he has been indicted...you've been WARNED

 

[vegetagirl2008]

More or less he is promoting those sites from what I am reading. You know what they say you can bring a horse to the water but you can't make him drink. But from your other posts you more or less whined about English Harbor already? Was you told to do a PAB. Are you still going to post one or not? Because you not get anything resolved by doing what you're doing.

 

[zebedy]

The rtg's that are in the rogue pit seem to win a ton more than your so called accredited list.How come, for ex,. coolcat and cirrus been around for so long

of course they will be looser they dont pay 99% of there winners so they can afford to be

 

[vinylweatherman]

of course they will be looser they dont pay 99% of there winners so they can afford to be

Maybe this is how they stay in business. The games are cranked up to the top 98% payout, but the WR are so onerous and restrictive that it is all an illusion, and it is almost impossible to beat a bonus, and when you do, especially if you are up overall, it is a devil of a job to get paid.

Other RTG casinos are probably using the 95% payouts on the slots, and will offer more reasonable bonus rules and WR, and certainly no PERMANENT MAX CASHOUT RESTRICTION as Virtual place on any account that has even ONCE taken one of their bonuses.

There has been debate as to whether casinos in general have tightened up recently, and there are a lot of players who have seen that games are "somehow different now" in the way they behave, even though they cannot quantify this.

For someone who has erroneously frequented Cirrus and Cool Cat, or indeed Palace of Fat Chance, a more to Rushmore should be considered. They have higher percentage bonuses than Club World in general, and certainly higher than iNetBet (here though, the bonuses are CASHABLE). The beauty of Rushmore is that they are much more likely to pay than the Virtual casino Rogues, with the recent issues being because Rushmore was undergoing an attack from some fraudsters.

English Harbour being brought back on board has to do with them meeting CM standards, not because they have paid the meister to let them back. Any money the Meister receives is payment for advertising should English Harbour wish to avail themselves of banner ads on the site.

The Meister has repeatedly made it clear that the site generates income through advertising revenue from accredited casinos, there is no profiting from direct referral, and player losses as there would be under the affiliate model.

Some affiliate sites do indeed refer players to rogue casinos, and this is because they are ruled by money, and not standards. Rogue casinos tend to offer more to affiliates (and spammers) for promoting them, since the decent sites will have nothing to do with them.

Experienced players can judge how good an affiliate site is by the casinos they promote. If a site is stuffed full of Cirrus and Cool Cat offers, then it is a dangerous site to use to seek out good casino offerings.

 

[jod5413]

Wow! This one's Mom must be so proud!!!

 

[Tengil]

Maybe this is how they stay in business. The games are cranked up to the top 98% payout, but the WR are so onerous and restrictive that it is all an illusion, and it is almost impossible to beat a bonus, and when you do, especially if you are up overall, it is a devil of a job to get paid.

Other RTG casinos are probably using the 95% payouts on the slots, and will offer more reasonable bonus rules and WR, and certainly no PERMANENT MAX CASHOUT RESTRICTION as Virtual place on any account that has even ONCE taken one of their bonuses.

There has been debate as to whether casinos in general have tightened up recently, and there are a lot of players who have seen that games are "somehow different now" in the way they behave, even though they cannot quantify this.

For someone who has erroneously frequented Cirrus and Cool Cat, or indeed Palace of Fat Chance, a more to Rushmore should be considered. They have higher percentage bonuses than Club World in general, and certainly higher than iNetBet (here though, the bonuses are CASHABLE). The beauty of Rushmore is that they are much more likely to pay than the Virtual casino Rogues, with the recent issues being because Rushmore was undergoing an attack from some fraudsters.
English Harbour being brought back on board has to do with them meeting CM standards, not because they have paid the meister to let them back. Any money the Meister receives is payment for advertising should English Harbour wish to avail themselves of banner ads on the site.

The Meister has repeatedly made it clear that the site generates income through advertising revenue from accredited casinos, there is no profiting from direct referral, and player losses as there would be under the affiliate model.

Some affiliate sites do indeed refer players to rogue casinos, and this is because they are ruled by money, and not standards. Rogue casinos tend to offer more to affiliates (and spammers) for promoting them, since the decent sites will have nothing to do with them.

Experienced players can judge how good an affiliate site is by the casinos they promote. If a site is stuffed full of Cirrus and Cool Cat offers, then it is a dangerous site to use to seek out good casino offerings.

Fraudsters? Maybe a few. They got hit extremely hard by advantage players for which they can blame those who designed the Holiday bonuses with ridiculously high EV. I know at least 3 players who still havent got their money and they are 100% legitimate players, they arent worried tough and expect to get paid just not sure when. And the number of players waiting for their money is quite big.

I think its a case when they run short of liquid funds (not meaning that they are close to bust, just liquid funds) when it happened during their quite aggressive expanding. This is just speculations, but would explain quite a bit and this happens in other businesses all the time. Shortage of liquid funds doesnt automatically mean financial troubles and Rushmore should be quite a solid group from what I have heard.

Im sure they will pay the players and I personally consider it a safe place to play.

 

[Louise]

I would just like to confirm again, that we do not have 'cashflow problems' or are 'short of liquid funds' - These are genuine fraud investigations we have taking place that I'm sure if you read Max's blog, you'll see that they are resulting in some interesting findings. All players holding similar details are being investigated and of course genuine players will be paid out.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[zebedy]

I would just like to confirm again, that we do not have 'cashflow problems' or are 'short of liquid funds' - These are genuine fraud investigations we have taking place that I'm sure if you read Max's blog, you'll see that they are resulting in some interesting findings. All players holding similar details are being investigated and of course genuine players will be paid out.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

will we be able to hear the full story when your investigations are over?

 

[Louise]

will we be able to hear the full story when your investigations are over?

It'll be like a Casinomeister soap opera

We'll see

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[Tengil]

I would just like to confirm again, that we do not have 'cashflow problems' or are 'short of liquid funds' - These are genuine fraud investigations we have taking place that I'm sure if you read Max's blog, you'll see that they are resulting in some interesting findings. All players holding similar details are being investigated and of course genuine players will be paid out.
Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

The ones I know of has only two similarities. They came from the same site and played the same way.

Im sure they will get paid and so are they. But investigations that already have taken over 1,5 months just makes me think Im right. This is just my opinion and Im not implying that you are an unsecure place to play at.

 

[zebedy]

It'll be like a Casinomeister soap opera

We'll see

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

ok let me know when and ill bring the popcorn

 

[maxd]

These are genuine fraud investigations we have taking place that I'm sure if you read Max's blog, you'll see that they are resulting in some interesting findings.

Said blog is here: Link Outdated / Removed.

Read it for info, updates, news and stats on the Pitch-A-Bitch situation here at Casinomeister.com

~Max.

 

[The Dude]

ok let me know when and ill bring the popcorn

Some of this was also covered in last week's newsletter.
https://www.casinomeister.com/newsletters/

 

[The Dude]

And to address the OPs "fishy" concerns - there is a vetting process that the casinos on this site goes through. Once this is done, they are given the opportunity to purchase ad space or run campaigns here. The listing of casinos here have absolutely nothing to do with your losing or winning streaks.

The only thing "fishy" around here are the "fish" to be found in the Poker Section

 

[Tengil]

Some of this was also covered in last week's newsletter.
https://www.casinomeister.com/newsletters/

Thats interesting. That person(s) must have tried it at another groups too. And he(?) must have had a decent sized roll to play multiple phantom bonuses with, altough high EV, very high risk of bust. And that doesnt include the risk of getting caught which he surerly was aware of.

 

[RobWin]

Said blog is here: Link Outdated / Removed.

Read it for info, updates, news and stats on the Pitch-A-Bitch situation here at Casinomeister.com

~Max.

Max, just read your "BitchMeister Blog" for last Friday and was going to leave you a comment there but could not find where to do that so I figured you had the comment part turned off.

The Numbers

new PABs: 14 (!)
resolved PABs: 2 (All Jackpots, Golden Lounge)
Rogues and fraudsters: 2

What I was going to ask you there and comment on is since you had mentioned 14 new PAB's I was thinking that it would be nice if you had the time to actually list the casinos that the (14) PAB's regard, no further details, just the casinos name.

Also I noticed as I posted your quote above that you did name the two resolved casinos from the "Resolved PABs"..

On the Rogues and Fraudsters I also think it would be nice to know what, who etc., especially the "Who" part.

Just a couple of thoughts there for ya to smoke over..

I also think you are doing a hell of a good job here too with all the PAB's and Fraudster nonsense that you have to deal with, personally I would not want to be on the phone and deciphering emails and private messages that much but a big kudos to you my friend for dealing with it for the good of all. :notworthy

 

[jas2587]

And to address the OPs "fishy" concerns - there is a vetting process that the casinos on this site goes through. Once this is done, they are given the opportunity to purchase ad space or run campaigns here. The listing of casinos here have absolutely nothing to do with your losing or winning streaks.

The only thing "fishy" around here are the "fish" to be found in the Poker Section

Bryan I never thought that who you advetised was free but IMO even if they paid for a spot on the CM forem they had to earn it 1 way or another by players thoughts or playing the site yourself ((( like also Simmo ((blue man ) Spearmaster maxd etc )))

I respect your thoughts an alot of other members do toooo

Thanks Bryan an Mods

Cindy the :Angel:

 

[same_old]

Hiya Peeps,

Bryan has Maxd on the books and pays him for the services of being the PABmeister whilst Bryan can concentrate on others things and keeping us safe.
I'm not sure but he may also pay Simmo and Spear for there contributions to the site, Bryan also pays for bandwidth, server etc so why wouldnt he be charging a fee for the advertisement on this site.

It's a win win for both Bryan and the casino's and I assure you the casino has no issues in paying a fee.

 

[RobWin]

And it is also a win/win for the Casinomeister Members knowing that they are playing at a Casino that has met Bryan's high standards of accreditation!

 

[maxd]

... was going to leave you a comment ... I figured you had the comment part turned off.

Yes, comments are turned off in the Bitch'Blog. Given the subject matter it seemed like too easy a target for comment abuse: the last thing I need is more messes to clean up. Bummer that we lose the useful comments too but there you go I guess.

This is partly my reason for updating the BitchMeister Blog: it's New! Improved! Old-Fashioned! thread on a regular basis. Gives folks a place to comment on the Blog, raise issues, etc, if they really want to.

re: "New PABs" ... I was thinking that it would be nice if you had the time to actually list the casinos ....

I can certainly understand why that would be of interest but in all honesty we figured it would be more head-ache than it was worth.

What we've seen in the past is that if we report raw complaints data then the casinos start to freak out and get on our ass for "giving the wrong impression". I shouldn't speak of it so flippantly, they have a point.

The argument goes like this: (a) I post 'Casino X had three PABs this week', (b) Casino X then gets on my tits about how this issue was this and that issue was that ... bottom line: now in addition to dealing with the PABs I have to deal with their PR freak-outs and .... Too much!

So, better to just report the resolved ones 'cause (a) that's interesting too and (b) no one is likely to bitch and complain about it.

As to naming the Rogues and Fraudsters: ok, maybe the Rogues 'cause they've earned it. As to the fraudsters ... I'm less comfortable with that because we're naming members who may or may not be allowed back in the future and ... just seems needlessly complicated to me for what amounts to a good bit of gossip. I don' t really see the benefits there. In a way the same could be said for the Rogues, though admittedly I'm having trouble convincing even myself of that.

I also think you are doing a hell of a good job here ...

Cheers, thanks for saying so.

PS. You were right, I hadn't seen this go up. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[RobWin]

Thanks Max for taking the time to put it in perspective here and I do understand your points there...

Also enjoyed your use of "keywords" there! :notworthy

 

[The Dude]

By the way - the OP's email is bouncing and he isn't responding to PMs.

AWOL after PABing

Another waste of time dealing with a cry-baby...

 

[gloria460]

I've played the accredited casinos listed here and busted out but I figure that's the chance you take when you gamble. I also will probably not be taking the bonus because of the wr on the bonus and the deposit so you live and learn.

It's hard to find reputable casinos for US players so I'm glad that I found this site again! at least I know if I ever win at rushmore or cherry red I'll get paid. I still don't understand the bonus balance and the deposit balance thingy but if I play long enough I'll eventually get it.