Some Thoughts About Online Gaming

JAMES50

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I normally always agree with you, but this time, I can't. There may be casinos that take a little longer. If you are fine with that, it's really nobody's business except the casino and player, IMHO.

Yes, I would like to paid faster. But I play for entertainment, and I deposit and if I win, I hope to win at the faster paying casinos, but if it's a slower paying casino, I hope I can hold off from reversing.

All I ask is to know about the timeframe honestly in advance. If it's going to take 14 days, let me know.

That said, I've trimmed my casinos to about 3 or 4 now - ones with a solid track record, accredited and with the best payout methods. There could come a time when I'd get the itch to play on a slower-paying casino like Vegas to Web, primarily because they have Rival games that I enjoy. If I do decide to do so, then I have to be mentally prepared to wait to get paid.

I disagree it is NOT exeptable to wait 14 days or longer for payment when your payment to them is instant.with out communication and funds sitting there in hopes of you reverseing..bait and switch...Also all one ask is to be given an honest time frame on withdrawal,,,Well read on and you will see by quite a few post that this is fadeing...I have to agree with the ,Nate and silenlayc totally,,,All one has to do is read some of the post dateing back a year and you've got to see the progression....Just ones oppinion,,
 

Nifty29

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Just a quick FYI here.

Casinos do NOT necessarily get your funds instantly at all....their processor OK's the transaction and they give you credits to play. It can take up to six months for the casino to actually receive your funds, so in many cases they are paying you BEFORE they get your cash.

As Maxd says.....you're getting angry at the wrong people. The US government is responsible for all this crap.
 

Mousey

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Someone... maybe the OP? ... said to vote with our feet.... well... After the NETeller mess, I didn't play online for something like a two years... maybe it was a year and a half. Then when I did play again... there was nowhere left to choose from so I played very little. Then I quit for another two+ years.... played maybe a few hundred $$ here or there during the last Xmas/NY holidays. As of this week every casino is uninstalled again. I have voted with my feet/money yet again, and it hasn't changed a damn thing.

I don't like the lack of choices for USA players. I don't like the insane loop de loop we have to go thru to deposit and withdraw. I don't like processors and casino websites being shut down everytime someone in the DOJ f*rts. (I think casinos who continue to take USA action are doing none of us a favor and should lock us out.) I don't like idiotic T&C that read as if they're written by a roomful of monkeys on crack, max cash out limits, max weekly withdrawals. I don't like caps on slots wins at RTGs. I don't like software (like Rival) that allows operators to monkey with payouts (anyone remember 1:1 blackjack? hmm?) I hate that RTG lets any sleazeball with a checkbook and a dime in the bank open up a casino. I don't like the total lack of regulation and player protection - yes, even for you folks who play wherever you like, there is NOTHING to fall back on if a casino craps on you -- except Casinomeister (when they will pow-wow with Maxd). I am totally disgusted with the entire online gambling environment where we (the player) are merely a necessary evil to be pacified, rather than customers.

To the few casinos out there that treasure your players.... WTG! If USA players are ever allowed to play there again, I'll be back.
 

silcnlayc

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To Nifty: I am not angry at all. I chose to come back and play. I am just so tired of being treated as a third class citizen that is only as good as the money I keep giving and when the shoe (so rarely) is on the other foot....I become negligible to the casinos.
Someone... maybe the OP? ... said to vote with our feet.... well... After the NETeller mess, I didn't play online for something like a two years... maybe it was a year and a half. Then when I did play again... there was nowhere left to choose from so I played very little. Then I quit for another two+ years.... played maybe a few hundred $$ here or there during the last Xmas/NY holidays. QUOTE]
I , too, voted with my feet for a long period of time and as you said...it changed nothing. It actually has become worse. I was lulled back in with a false sense of security with "all is ok" emails since many of the good operators was still taking US players.

Nifty29
Just a quick FYI here.

Casinos do NOT necessarily get your funds instantly at all....their processor OK's the transaction and they give you credits to play. It can take up to six months for the casino to actually receive your funds, so in many cases they are paying you BEFORE they get your cash.

As Maxd says.....you're getting angry at the wrong people. The US government is responsible for all this crap.
Actually, as Mousey says, just lock us out if you cannot perform to the utmost and treat ALL players equally and with utmost care as a customer that is handing you money hand over fist for entertainment and only requires minute attention on a good day.

It is NOT the government doing this (it is the casinos taking players money and delaying payouts to suit themselves because they know US players do NOT have anyone to turn to). Casinos have been in place far longer than the government coming down on online gambling.

It is still the operators choice to accept us or not. The government has no hand in the casinos choice because the casinos, that do allow us to play, know how to get around "them" , and have, for more years than the government was actually interested in what was happening. I put the blame of these issues squarely on the operators. It is also their choice to offer their games to US players or not. They should take ownership of that and anything that happens...missteps and all, and rectify any and all issues within a very short space of time. JMO
Nifty29
Just a quick FYI here.

Casinos do NOT necessarily get your funds instantly at all
That is definitely something I didn't know. But shouldn't be used as a tool against the player at all. If the casino isn't well funded, then they should close their doors as many have and not penalize the player because of THEIR underfunding.



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lettingyouknow

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Casino strike, why not

I just saw a commercial that on April 15th there will be a gas strike do not fill up on this day, they estimate that on this day if even half of the ppl strike they will have caused the oil companies $30 billion in losses.

Why can't we do the same here. One at a time, pick a day when we all commit to:thumbsup: NOT PLAY FOR A DAY, :thumbsup:at ABC Casino, depending on the amount of negative threads.

No one is exempt accredited or non-accredited. I truly think that even for a day they will hear us LOUD and CLEAR, and correct their behavior and start to really appreciate who pays them. I mean everyone including affiliates, it recently dawned on me, that every deposit I have made for the last 12 yrs, that the affiliate has been paid for it as well, but when you ask the affiliate to fight for you when a problem arises, they are no where to be found? Recently, I have tried several deps and the enjoyment factor of my dep lasting only 15 minutes basically in one slot, is not what it use to be yrs ago. When you do get the bonus round this week it paid 15 spins 0.94 cents. Now we have casinos changing RTP's to 91%, double pears we have read this week and these casinos are still accredited?

Let's do something and stop complaining. I feel like Tom Cruise in that movie who's with me?
 

Nate

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To be fair this is not the way things usually happen. All may be well and good at the time when monies are deposited. A lot can happen between then and when the player goes to withdraws, including trouble with the processors.

I do not dispute that fact Max - In fact I actually agree. I also agree that Casinos do not receive instant deposits. However, there are too many 'processor problems' to be quite honest. We can easily take MoneyBookers as a hypothetical scenario - Where funds are available instantly.

To top it all off, the win that is being held pending, then delayed (due to processor issues), which you can only redeem $3000 of per week is from a hit being Capped on the 'Max Win Rule' to which the Cashier does not care to respond to queries and the Rep is AWOL for a few days (as usual). Is this what it has come to ??? This is absolutely NOT Acceptable :mad:

The quote from my earlier post adequately sums up the state of Online Gaming and Payment Problems.

I have questions:

1. Why do operators allow an infinite amount of deposits but are allowed cap your weekly limits to $3000?

2. Why are they allowed to HOLD your withdrawal for 48hours to 10 days?

3. Why are they allowed to impose unfair Max Line Wins?

4. Why do they choose to ignore payment queries?

5. Why do they choose to continue to accept Business when the KNOW there may be processing issues?

6. Why do they fail to address members and notify people on the forum in a timely manner ? - This only happens once a thread is started and we complain.

I think you can see where I am getting. This takes place because the Casino players and Advocates at large have NOT put their foot down. Payment processing issues aside, the above is very indicative of the standards we have come to accept. In the end, its not about the player, its how much the Casino can score with imposing these rules and also how to limit damage to their already tarnished reputations.

I do not bundle EVERY operation in the same category. however; its clear as daylight who the Greedy Ones are.

Nate
 

ChopleyIOM

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Fantastic post TheLastCylon - lots to think about in there and I have to say very little I disagree with.

I'd thank you for the post but I can't find the button to do so!
 

vinylweatherman

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I just saw a commercial that on April 15th there will be a gas strike do not fill up on this day, they estimate that on this day if even half of the ppl strike they will have caused the oil companies $30 billion in losses.

Why can't we do the same here. One at a time, pick a day when we all commit to:thumbsup: NOT PLAY FOR A DAY, :thumbsup:at ABC Casino, depending on the amount of negative threads.

No one is exempt accredited or non-accredited. I truly think that even for a day they will hear us LOUD and CLEAR, and correct their behavior and start to really appreciate who pays them. I mean everyone including affiliates, it recently dawned on me, that every deposit I have made for the last 12 yrs, that the affiliate has been paid for it as well, but when you ask the affiliate to fight for you when a problem arises, they are no where to be found? Recently, I have tried several deps and the enjoyment factor of my dep lasting only 15 minutes basically in one slot, is not what it use to be yrs ago. When you do get the bonus round this week it paid 15 spins 0.94 cents. Now we have casinos changing RTP's to 91%, double pears we have read this week and these casinos are still accredited?

Let's do something and stop complaining. I feel like Tom Cruise in that movie who's with me?


Not so, people will fill up the day before, or wait till the day after. If people still use their cars as normal, all that happens is that some of that $30 billion comes in a day early, and some a day late.

It is only effective if people go on a driving strike, and don't use that $30 billion worth of gas. This is where the $30 billion shortfall becomes real. A filling strike on a particular day just sends a message. The same would be true of a deposit strike at a casino, unless players spend the money on something else, and the casino never gets to see it, not even the following day.

A general reduction in depositing (or driving) has more effect, and needs no organisation for a specific day, but although it has a greater impact on the companies, there is little publicity at the time, and only at the end of the financial year do the companies see the effects.

Uninstalling a casino that has forgotten you exist for a month or two usually refreshes their memory:D, far more so than a day of "strike action".
 

Vegasbum

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I just saw a commercial that on April 15th there will be a gas strike do not fill up on this day, they estimate that on this day if even half of the ppl strike they will have caused the oil companies $30 billion in losses.

Why can't we do the same here. One at a time, pick a day when we all commit to:thumbsup: NOT PLAY FOR A DAY, :thumbsup:at ABC Casino, depending on the amount of negative threads."



I would estimate that less than 1 percent of all the online gamblers in the world read this site. How are you going to get everyone to stop playing for a day or whatever?
 

Nifty29

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I just saw a commercial that on April 15th there will be a gas strike do not fill up on this day, they estimate that on this day if even half of the ppl strike they will have caused the oil companies $30 billion in losses.

Why can't we do the same here. One at a time, pick a day when we all commit to:thumbsup: NOT PLAY FOR A DAY, :thumbsup:at ABC Casino, depending on the amount of negative threads."



I would estimate that less than 1 percent of all the online gamblers in the world read this site. How are you going to get everyone to stop playing for a day or whatever?

He may be a self-confessed posterior, but the man has a point :thumbsup:
 

footdr

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Here is a "thought"

Since UIGEA, my deposit habits haven't changed, yet my treatment from casinos in regard to payout times, perks, bonuses and the like have dramatically changed for the worse. Yet, some members on this forum think that is just fine and as a player we shouldn't have rights or be able to complain or even take legal action when it is necessary.

You tell me why I my Perks and vip treatment should be changed when I am depositing the same amount and playing with the same consistancy that I have for over 5 years. Anyone?

IMO the casinos took the opportunity to cut our perks and vip treatment when UIGEA passed eventhough our play and deposits remained the same.

I am totally on the players side. Unless the casinos become truthful when it comes to information posted on their websites, you cannot believe anything posted on those websites. And, all of them have inaccurate information on their websites, especially when it comes to deposit methods, withdrawal methods and payout times.
 

rockycatt

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OK on the gas thing /boycott the only way it will work is if we singled out a brand and punished them by no purchases

and that will take some investigating but it can be done to the brand alone not the producers
on casino's i think the rogue pit is doing it as well as we could :thumbsup:
 

footdr

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boycotting buying gas is stupid as it will only hurt the owners and employees of the gas stations and they have absolutely no control over what "they" are charged for the gas they sell.

So you would be hurting your local economy and possibly put people out of jobs.

We need our own supply of oil and the Government should control the amount of oil that can be sold overseas. Apparently it must be more lucrative for companies to ship the oil out of the U.S. or they wouldn't.

I also believe we need to reform the Commodities Market and how it works as betting on whether prices will increase or decrease has substantial effect on the price of those commodities.
 
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