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Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by knocked4six, Mar 2, 2011.

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    Mar 2, 2011
  1. knocked4six

    knocked4six Banned User

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    Hi,

    From the get go, you should know I'm AussieDave. I've chosen to post this here because I believe players need to know what's going on.

    I've tried to get this addressed over at the GPWA but with most issues unless it actually affects affiliates income, the majority don't really care if players get taken for a ride or not. Hence why I've decided to post this here.

    I did try to send CM and Max a PM but not sure it went through as this is my 1'st post.

    ---------

    Here is a run down of what's up.

    Checked out xxxhttp://www.slotsandgames.com because as a new sponsor at the GPWA, thought I might promote them on my sites. However before doing so with any casinos, I check out their free play games and then if all checks out I deposit $50 into a real account...if all that checks, I then decide whether to promote a casino or not.

    Played the free slot games - Holiday Hotel and Conga Beat (both 5 reel, 20 pay-line bonus slots)...A total of 100 spins. However each and every spin paid a winning combination.

    NB - IMO a slot machine should behave in an identical manner and pay-out the same RTP regardless if it's in free play mode or real wagering mode.

    With this information I started a thread at the GPWA addressing my question about these bizarre pay-outs to the rep. However I got less than a suitable response - the reasoning given was bizarre to say the least.

    A few days later, realising I was flogging a dead horse, I returned to play smoe more free play slots. However this time I documented every game played with a video capture.

    Over 13.5 minutes I played Conga Beat, Holiday Hotel and Auto Show. Again each and every slot spin paid a winning combination. I returned to the GPWA and posted the following thread, inlcuding my video capture (remove xxx):

    xxxhttp://www.gpwa.org/forum/crazyrewards-how-these-games-not-fixed-196056.html

    Least to say I coped another round of semantical BS, but still no explaination to why, on two seperate occasion, each and every slot I played paid winning combinations on every spin.

    To some this may not seem important, because yes it's in free play mode. However reiterating, IMO a slot machine should behave in an identical manner and pay-out the same RTP regardless if it's in free play mode or real wagering mode.


    One can only surmise possible reason to why these free play slots are paying wins on every spin, but I'll leave that up to you. I does however raise a BIG red flag for me, in that, in my opinion these slots are fixed. And if they can fix the free play slots like this, it's also likely they can fix (cough rig) the real wagering games too.



    Cheers

    Dave


    PS CM, Max or another Mod feel free to delete this account if you deem it necessary.
     
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  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I'll just close this account - here's why.

    AussieDave aka glodge, Trezz, has a long history at Casinomeister - one moment he's an active member posting informative and helpful posts, the next moment he goes apeshit.

    Last summer he took a number of malicious potshots at me, and well - I've had enough of his crap.

    He is a webmaster and has posted a number of libelous and false bullshit postings on his "blogs", some concerning me, some concerning other upstanding webmasters - so he is no longer welcome here at Casinomeister.

    If this was so important, he could have easily emailed me or the other members he knows to post this information for him, but this guy loves the drama, so he'll do it in the most in-your-face manner.

    @AussieDave - get a life. You have your own websites to tend to - stay out of mine. Thank you.

    /rant
     
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  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    The casino in question uses NeoGames and they've been tested here:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    The RNG should be the same for both play for fun and real money. But if AussieDave says they're rigged well...
     
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  7. same_old

    same_old Dormant account PABaccred webmeister

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    Location:
    Australia
    He was always a good bloke to me and you are right in saying he had some great posts.

    It is a shame he is non longer welcome but I do completely understand Bryan. I was around when he wrote some of those posts you are speaking of.

    NASH,Aussie Dave (Trezz) and Robwin were REALLY smart people and was such a shame to lose that insight.

    I myself personally think you ARE an easy going HONEST person Bryan, you're always OK in my books.:thumbsup:
     
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  9. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    I tried 10 spins myself to see.

    Every spin was a winner.

    This software is non-random.
     
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  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    They have this rather odd explanation in their FAQ

    Surely this means that on average one spin in every three should be a winner. Given that EVERY spin has been a winner in separate tests, there is CLEARLY something rather odd going on.

    I am unable to find a link to a free game, everything just goes to the "register now for a free £5" page, and I doubt THIS will show "every spin a winner".

    A sample of 10 is probably too low, but if a 100 spins has every one a winner, then I think we have pretty good evidence the software is rigged.
    I would be surprised to see that they managed to get an independent test that proves otherwise, and it could be that they have NOT shown the testing lab the SAME software configuration that these player tests have been using.
     
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  13. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    If you had read some of the stuff he published elsewhere about me, Dominique and Webzcas, you'd be infuriated. He was out to damage our credibility and reputations with a bunch of conspiracy theoristic assertions. I'm surprised he had the gall to post here again. But like I said - he likes the drama.

    Thanks! So do I :D
     
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  15. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I flipped a coin ten times and had tails ten times in a row. It's obviously rigged too.
     
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  17. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    I did also try 10 spins and as Pedro said; "every spin was a winner".

    But, every win was smaller than my total bet. So so I would not think that this was "rigged" based on the very, very few spins I tried.
     
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  19. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Turn right, then right. then right again
    I'll bet it was an RTG coin. :rolleyes:
     
  20. Mar 2, 2011
  21. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    You think it's "not rigged" because each win was lower than your bet? :confused:
    Name me one other slot where you win (something) on EVERY spin?

    KK
     
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  23. baldidiot

    baldidiot Experienced Member webmeister

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    It is a bit weird the way you get a win on every spin (I gave it a go for a bit in free play mode).

    But then a lot of the wins are for a 20th of the bet so it's not like your balance is sky-rocketing.

    I'd be interested to know if anyone has played in real play mode. How does it compare?
     
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  25. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    I just had 100 spins and each spin was a winner.
     
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  27. ergopro

    ergopro Senior Member

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    Lots of spins on Neogames slots and the funny thing is that I have NEVER hit 4oak or 5oak. But I do get wins 9 out of 10 spins that are smaller than my bet...:D
     
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  29. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    I hope you guys aren't opening accounts via some affiliate link. Type the URL into your browser URL field if you're going to check this out. Just for shits and giggles, I'll do the same. :p
     
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  31. Brooklyn

    Brooklyn Dormant account

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    I opened a fun mode account, did 20 spins on Conga Boat, 5 bonus features in 20 spins. :rolleyes:

    Every spin was a winner...weird and wierd.
     
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  33. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    It's not totally breathtakingly that a player can win "something" 10 times in a row, but lose in a total because the winnings was lower than the total bet.

    I did not mean to say that I "think this machine is not rigged". What I meant was, that I would not be suspicious about this after only 10 spins. I actually lost money in free play.
     
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  35. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Thought I'd try VWM's "100 spins" concept.

    I played Auto Show. A very low variance slot where most wins are less than your bet. I played £2 a spin.

    Fun Mode (50 spins).

    49 out of my 50 spins were winners. Ended £19 down.


    So now I set up a real money account...


    Real Mode (50 Spins)

    49 out of my 50 spins were winners. After the spin that cleared the WR on the bonus, I was £22.30 up.


    Footnote: That was one of the most boring slot games I ever played LOL.
     
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  37. petro

    petro Dormant account, per user request PABnoaccred2 PABaccred

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    Says they their RNG is tested for fairness by iTech Labs.
    3Dice also carries the iTech Labs seal.
     
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  39. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    Just a "fun account" with funny e-mail and strange name.

    By the way, my new name is Thomas and my e-mail adress is "rainy23432hotmail.com" :) or something:rolleyes:
     

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