Baptism by Fire - success Slots.lv sister casino to Bovada

[Googobucs]

I'm happy to read anyone's opinion

With that said, I do believe someone who has a bigger and more respected reputation than either of us on casinomiester should point out this casino's dubious bonus system and/or any other critisisms.

Regarding your question, does it have to be Betsoft/accredited only? There are 17 US accepting accredited casinos on here; Try 3Dice!

I'm not sure what you mean my dubious bonus system. I don't have any issue with their bonus system at all. It's quite in line with every other place I play at. I do not find any T & C that are out of the norm.

The world does not revolve around 3 Dice. You have a lot of options to choose from in Canada, but in the US we do not. I like some variety in my game selection and Slots.lv offers a nice mix of different games.

I agree the $50 fee is steep but certainly not the worst I have seen in the accredited list. Since the first one is free, I have chosen to play else where until April when I can take advantage of my next free withdraw.

 

[jshort]

I'm not sure what you mean my dubious bonus system. I don't have any issue with their bonus system at all. It's quite in line with every other place I play at. I do not find any T & C that are out of the norm.

It's dubious because it benefits the player too much.

 

[jshort]

Hi,

I’ll definitely pass on your feedback for game histories to see what’s possible.

Once a player’s account hits a $0 balance, all WR are void. There are some promos where only certain games count toward WR. We do our best to make sure all T&Cs are clear and easy to understand. I’d suggest checking those out first to see if the bonus is something you want to take advantage of.

If you have any account specific questions, feel free to PM me.

Lily.

All the games can be played with any bonus or promotion though, yes?

If I were trying to get through the WR for a slot bonus on your casino say, I'd place large bets on the roulette wheel until I either bust (in which case my WR for the session would be void and I'd just renew the bonus on a future date) or I'd collect x36 my wager and likely have a high enough balance to grind out the WR on the slot games. Most casinos that have a "WR void on zero balance" not only restrict wagering requirements to specific games, but your not even allowed to play any other games. They'll usually be strict wagering limits too so that it becomes virtually impossible to drastically increase ones bankroll. And regarding the WR itself, its usually on the high end (ie > x60B).

AlladinsGold Casino (an accredited casino with several rewards) is a perfect example.

 

[Googobucs]

The terms of their slots bonus state:
Casino Welcome Bonus - 100% up to $500 - Redeem 10X - 25X RO - Slots only

What is confusing about that? It says slots only. Is that not obvious enough that you cant play roulette, black jack or other games or do you feel they need to spell it out specifically in the terms that those games are not allowed.

 

[jshort]

The terms of their slots bonus state:
Casino Welcome Bonus - 100% up to $500 - Redeem 10X - 25X RO - Slots only

What is confusing about that? It says slots only. Is that not obvious enough that you cant play roulette, black jack or other games or do you feel they need to spell it out specifically in the terms that those games are not allowed.

Their talking about the WR.

 

[Googobucs]

I disagree.
The bonus itself is called HELLOSLOTS. They have another one called HELLOGAMES.
EVERY other casino that I am aware of has a separate bonus for slots and table games and this is no different.
The wording I posted came from the cashier section and it is stated a little differently than the web site which states:
The deposit plus bonus amount is subject to a 25X rollover requirement before the deposit, bonus amount and any winnings can be withdrawn.
Only play on Slot games counts towards meeting rollover requirements for withdrawal.

as an experienced player, I know what this means. I don't need a label that says the coffee is hot. For an inexperienced player, I can see that this could be taken to mean you can play other games but they don't count toward the WR. An advantage player might abuse that, and unfortunately we live in a world where T & C need to be 1000 pages long because common sense has no meaning and people will take advantage when you don't tell then the hot iron, do not put on face.

Lily
I think Billy makes a good point. You are open to abuse by not explicitly saying that play on games other than slots with violate the terms of the bonus.

Unless he is correct and I can run it up on roulette and then clear it on slots, in which case let us know so those players can join in.

thanks

Their talking about the WR.

 

[jshort]

I disagree.
The bonus itself is called HELLOSLOTS. They have another one called HELLOGAMES.
EVERY other casino that I am aware of has a separate bonus for slots and table games and this is no different.
The wording I posted came from the cashier section and it is stated a little differently than the web site which states:
The deposit plus bonus amount is subject to a 25X rollover requirement before the deposit, bonus amount and any winnings can be withdrawn.
Only play on Slot games counts towards meeting rollover requirements for withdrawal.

as an experienced player, I know what this means. I don't need a label that says the coffee is hot. For an inexperienced player, I can see that this could be taken to mean you can play other games but they don't count toward the WR. An advantage player might abuse that, and unfortunately we live in a world where T & C need to be 1000 pages long because common sense has no meaning and people will take advantage when you don't tell then the hot iron, do not put on face.

Lily
I think Billy makes a good point. You are open to abuse by not explicitly saying that play on games other than slots with violate the terms of the bonus.

Unless he is correct and I can run it up on roulette and then clear it on slots, in which case let us know so those players can join in.

thanks

Like I said, WR only; But I do get where your coming from.......The only two other accredited casinos that I'm aware of (not including Bodog/Bovada) that have the same bonus structure as Slots.lv (High Noon Casino and AlladinsGold) restrict access to games not intended to be used with specific bonuses so that its not even possible to play them..

In any case, playing roulette is just one way an AP could get ahead on a "fair" casino offering Slots.lv terms. Here's an even easier example; Simply make a small 100% slot bonus match deposit and then take the entire "deposit+slot bonus" and place a single wager on any slot game. If you repeat this over and over again, then your long-term return increases a whopping 100% due to the fact that ones WR is void each and everytime you go bust

 

[Googobucs]

Simply make a small 100% slot bonus match deposit and then take the entire "deposit+slot bonus" and place a single wager on any slot game. If you repeat this over and over again, then your long-term return increases a whopping 100% due to the fact that ones WR is void each and everytime you go bust

You can only take the bonus 10 times. The CWC casinos you mentioned have no bet restrictions related to bonuses either.

It never occurred to me to deposit the minimum like $20, take the $20 bonus and bet $40 on 1 spin ( if there are any games that allow a $40 Bet). You get 10 chances to hit some thing, then you still have to make the WR of $1000 if you do hit before you can cash out.

I guess you could try it and let us know how it works out. I think it would be interesting to see how this played out. My guess is that you lose $200 on 10 spins, but who knows.

 

[jshort]

You can only take the bonus 10 times. The CWC casinos you mentioned have no bet restrictions related to bonuses either.

It never occurred to me to deposit the minimum like $20, take the $20 bonus and bet $40 on 1 spin ( if there are any games that allow a $40 Bet). You get 10 chances to hit some thing, then you still have to make the WR of $1000 if you do hit before you can cash out.

I guess you could try it and let us know how it works out. I think it would be interesting to see how this played out. My guess is that you lose $200 on 10 spins, but who knows.

Well I wouldn't try this exact strategy myself (indeed, I'd likely get bonus-banned and account locked for bonus abusing upon making a withdraw in the event I was successful). However something like 20% of my "deposit+bonus" wouldn't be out of the question. This wouldn't have the same effect of doubling my RTP as going full-out and wagering 100%, but you'd still be gambling with an edge over the casino. I sometimes did stuff similiar to this frequently on Bodog for awhile.

 

[SlotsLV]

Lily
I think Billy makes a good point. You are open to abuse by not explicitly saying that play on games other than slots with violate the terms of the bonus.

Unless he is correct and I can run it up on roulette and then clear it on slots, in which case let us know so those players can join in.

thanks

Hi guys,

Technically, you are able to run up your balance on roulette and clear the WR on slots. WR is calculated automatically by the system, but every payout is reviewed manually to check for bonus abuse. One of the things assessed is whether or not bonuses are used for their intended purpose (For example: HELLOSLOTS is intended for play on slots). If a bonus is used to create a large balance by going against its intended use, it can be considered bonus abuse.

I suggest checking out our Terms of Service (

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), specifically section 6: Integrity of Play. That should clear up any questions you have about this subject.

Let me know if you need anything else.

Lily.

 

[SlotsLV]

Hi everyone,

It's just been brought to my attention that some of our players using certain ISPs, like Comcast, aren't able to access the site right now. We don't know everything just yet but are working hard toward a resolution.

Some of our players have reported that successfully updating their DNS server has allowed them to access our site. This is the solution we're recommending short term, so if you want to try it out, you can find the instructions here:

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I'll keep you updated as we know more.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Lily.

 

[jshort]

I suggest checking out our Terms of Service (

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), specifically section 6: Integrity of Play. That should clear up any questions you have about this subject.

Let me know if you need anything else.

Lily.

In section 6, there are a lot of rules regarding misinformation, money-laundering or the use of bots, however the rule that I believe is specifically relevent here is this one;

6.4. Bonus programs are intended for recreational players only. Professional players or players considered, in our sole discretion, to be abusing the bonus system by any means may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions. Bonus abuse may be defined as (but not restricted to) ..clients cashing out for the purpose of re-depositing.] or creating new Accounts that they are using themselves. Sanctions may be in the form of increased rollover requirements or loss of bonus privileges altogether for the offending Account as well as any linked Accounts. We reserve the right to restrict eligibility for special offers and bonuses when necessary. This includes but is not limited to placing geographic restrictions on match bonuses due to bonus abuse.

I imagine this means "you can't cash-out and then two seconds later make another bonus deposit"??

I can see how already having money in ones account is a disadvantage to any bonus using player since they now have to lose MORE than just their next deposit in order to void the WR of their bonus. The large majority of players (recreational or professional) tend to cash-out after they've had a good run, only to make a bonus deposit the next day or week, yes??? For that reason, your security department cannot enforce this rule often unless there are other signs present and APers will be creative so as to avoid detection.

FYI; This appears to be only "specific" rule you guys have with regards to bonus abuse that APers will have to watch out for. Not many players will need to create false accounts for the purpose of taking out multiple bonuses because your guys offer weekly slot bonuses anyway. Regarding bots, I've only ever heard of one player using this for his advantage; His name was Markus and he did something to the software so that he could wager more than maximum permitted amount.

 

[jshort]

You can only take the bonus 10 times.

They offer weekly slot bonuses after the SUB.

Googobucs, I'm sure your planning to play at Slots.lv yes? I'm a big believer that action speaks louder than words. Sooner or later your going to raise your bets at this casino because you clearly understand how playing large increases ones RTP with a bonus system like the one Slots.lv has. No "fair" site would offer this system and after you've lost up to 1000$, I look forward to your opinion of Slots.lv fairness then!

 

[SlotsLV]

Hi jshort,

I’ve gone back and re-read this thread. Please accept my apologies if I’m mistaken, but it looks like the root issue here is you don’t trust the legitimacy of our casino because the bonuses and promotions we offer are, in your words, “a little too good”.

I’m not sure what I can say or do to change your mind, with the exception of somehow convincing you to play so you can see for yourself. That said, if you want to PM me, we can chat about this or I can have someone call you to discuss. I’m confident we can alleviate your concerns.

Thanks,

Lily.

 

[jshort]

Hi jshort,

I’ve gone back and re-read this thread. Please accept my apologies if I’m mistaken, but it looks like the root issue here is you don’t trust the legitimacy of our casino because the bonuses and promotions we offer are, in your words, “a little too good”.

I’m not sure what I can say or do to change your mind, with the exception of somehow convincing you to play so you can see for yourself. That said, if you want to PM me, we can chat about this or I can have someone call you to discuss. I’m confident we can alleviate your concerns.

Thanks,

Lily.

Hi Lily

Thanks for the offer. Maybe I'll see about going for your no-deposit facebook freebie. I've played at your sister site Bodog already and theirs a story behind that experience. As this is a "Baptism by Fire",it doesn't seem proper to write about it here though. I might take you up on your PM or phone though.

Cheers

 

[SlotsLV]

Hi again,

I just received confirmation that this weekend’s technical issues related to certain ISPs should be resolved. If anyone is still experiencing this issue, it should resolve itself within the next 24 hours. I'd like to offer everyone a big thank you for your continued patience as we worked through this problem.

Lily.

 

[KipDrordy]

slots.lv is prob the best online casino

won over 3k, every payout smooth and check is delivered to my doorstep within 2 days. cant say anything bad about them, they are #1 in the online casino market right now.

 

[WolframBeta]

Has been over 30 days, should be successful baptism by fire now right?

 

[Googobucs]

Has been over 30 days, should be successful baptism by fire now right?

See your thinking 30 days in terms of the Julian Calendar. I think they do things here by the Online casino calendar so weekends and holidays don't count

 

[jshort]

Well despite my personal views that they shouldn't get accredited, we live in a democracy, so if the majority like it than bring on the accredition!

I just want to summarize my stance.

I've said all along that their bonuses were too good to be true. This was mainly due to their willingness to void rollover wagering requirments
in combination with a large weekly bonus payout. They do have one rule in their T&C that discourages AP players from taking advantage of this,
however here is an example that guarantees an 170% EV/return that doesn't even involve cashing out money for the purpose of re-claiming a bonus!

I pm'ed this to Lily, but she didn't comment but instead recited the same above T&C term that Slots.lv has.

EXAMPLE:

Bob signs up for Slots.lv and makes two seperate deposits of 500$, while taking full advantage of the signup bonus code HELLOGAMES.

Since the Single/Double deck Blackjack games don't contribute towars the rollerover requirments, Bob has decided that to increase his return the most, he is going to play the video poker game Double Jackpot Poker (DJP). He knows that on average, for every 1$ he wagers, his return will be 0.9963 (or 99.63%). In other words, the COST for each 1$ wagered is going to be 0.0037$ (1 - 0.9963).

The rollover for DJP is x80 and Bob has recieved an extra 500$ signup bonus, which means he must wager 500 x 80 = 40,000$

Since he must wager 40,000$ and the cost per 1$ wagered is 0.0037$, then Bob stands to lose 40,000 x 0.0037 = 148$ by completing the rollover requirements.

However because Bob recieved 500$ in bonus money he will still be ahead by 352$ by the time he's finised.

As Bob can use the HELLOGAMES bonus code twice, he stands to make 2 x 352 = 704$ by the time he is finished the SUB!! For a 1000$ investment, that's a HUGE +70% return!

Like I said, I hope majority rules! Good luck Slots.lv!

 

[WolframBeta]

See your thinking 30 days in terms of the Julian Calendar. I think they do things here by the Online casino calendar so weekends and holidays don't count

Ah few more days then. Seems like a good casino, I plan to deposit here after they pass the baptism.

 

[WolframBeta]

Hi jshort,

I’ve gone back and re-read this thread. Please accept my apologies if I’m mistaken, but it looks like the root issue here is you don’t trust the legitimacy of our casino because the bonuses and promotions we offer are, in your words, “a little too good”.

I’m not sure what I can say or do to change your mind, with the exception of somehow convincing you to play so you can see for yourself. That said, if you want to PM me, we can chat about this or I can have someone call you to discuss. I’m confident we can alleviate your concerns.

Thanks,

Lily.

LOL seems like Jshort is concerned that when he decides to try your casino, He'll roulette the slot refil $100+$100 bonus 37 times over the course of a month, lose the first 36 and make $7000 on his 37th. Then he'll play the $4000 WR that has a 95% RTP for an average of -$200. When he goes ahead and cash out the $6800, you guys will invoke the Fk you clause on him and confiscate his money.

There, I put his logic into procedure for you ^

I would personally side with slots.lv on this one.

 

[jshort]

LOL seems like Jshort is concerned that when he decides to try your casino, He'll roulette the slot refil $100+$100 bonus 37 times over the course of a month, lose the first 36 and make $7000 on his 37th. Then he'll play the $4000 WR that has a 95% RTP for an average of -$200. When he goes ahead and cash out the $6800, you guys will invoke the Fk you clause on him and confiscate his money.

There, I put his logic into procedure for you ^

I would personally side with slots.lv on this one.

EDIT; Ahem.......Trying to make this about me eh?? I'm unable to deposit at Slots.lv, so my personal financial motivations are non-existant here.

With that said, hypothetically I wouldn't try it (despite it being a very profitable betting/bonus system).

Despite roulette being allowable for play and despite Slots.lv not having any maximum betting limits like other online casinos have when a bonus is in play, I assume Slots.lv security would envoke the "unintended purposes" clause on any player who successfully did the above. The player might be successful if he submited an PAB, due to it being such an unclear clause, but who knows........I personally wouldn't attempt it at any casino regardless of how lenient/vague their T&Cs appeared to be.

 

[SlotsLV]

EDIT; Ahem.......Trying to make this about me eh?? I'm unable to deposit at Slots.lv, so my personal financial motivations are non-existant here.

With that said, hypothetically I wouldn't try it (despite it being a very profitable betting/bonus system).

Despite roulette being allowable for play and despite Slots.lv not having any maximum betting limits like other online casinos have when a bonus is in play, I assume Slots.lv security would envoke the "unintended purposes" clause on any player who successfully did the above. The player might be successful if he submited an PAB, due to it being such an unclear clause, but who knows........I personally wouldn't attempt it at any casino regardless of how lenient/vague their T&Cs appeared to be.

Our casino caters to recreational players, which means our bonuses are used recreationally. Issues like the hypothetical one mentioned by jshort don’t happen often because of who our player base is made up of.

I can’t give you an exact answer on what would happen in that situation, but I can tell you in the event we see anyone abusing bonuses, which can include, but is not restricted to, creating a large balance by going against its intended use (for example: running up a balance on roulette and clearing the WR on slots), we would deal with that on a case by case basis.

Penalties for bonus abuse can include loss of bonus privileges, account suspension, and forfeited winnings.

Thanks!
Lily.

 

[jshort]

Our casino caters to recreational players

That's the most interesting thing of all, because with an 1000$ SUB that mathematically has an expected return as high as 700$ for the player,
where the heck are all the advantage players? Most AP players would jump on a 1000$ SUB that only has a WR of x80b for games like video poker
and Blackjack!