Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[goatwack]

It's a step to far I think.Lets be honest it should be obvious to anyone who knows what they are looking for to spot an account being used to launder money.As for the "normal" account holders it's an invasion of your privacy.I mean people who drink don't have to have to prove they can afford a bottle of whiskey.Which reminds me I better go to bed before I fall over.

You can't be as mashed as I was the other day in the old Casinomeister Bar & Grill thread. It was all stations go, I was even throwing out the 'best friend' trope at one stage. But boy was I gone. I'm not even a heavy drinker but that night.....

Never had a 'real' hangover either but for the following day. It was grim. I'm not touching anything over 15% ever again

 

[TheAddict]

Yes, that and with say a person of high income will have all manner of tailored VIP offers winging their way to them, because you know, you've just given them free reign to determine if you're worth retaining.

Meanwhile, the chattle and povvos with crap jobs will not only get nannied as to how much they're allowed to gamble, but will cease getting any sort of promos at all

Makes sense i s'pose.
As it stands - with what little i have in writing confirming my actual income, and if that came to pass, should i submit said info then at least I'll have a bombardment of birthday emails for a change. Even if they are those 'deposit £1 for 50 chances to win the progressive jackpot' type offers ;p

 

[TheAddict]

Are you suh, suh, suh, saying that.. tha tha that you, didn't didn't actually mean, tha tha that *sniff* i i i could be yor yor your bubububestest frufrufru, *sniff* friend goat?

 

[goatwack]

Are you suh, suh, suh, saying that.. tha tha that you, didn't didn't actually mean, tha tha that *sniff* i i i could be yor yor your bubububestest frufrufru, *sniff* friend goat?

Hey you're my #1 best drunk friend so that's something, right?

 

[TheAddict]

Im cool wid that. U crack me up sometimes man.
Off to watch some trailer park boys! Well... maybe not off somewhere specifically, but to grab the remote and press a few buttons.

 

[goatwack]

Im cool wid that. U crack me up sometimes man.
Off to watch some trailer park boys! Well... maybe not off somewhere specifically, but to grab the remote and press a few buttons.

I'm visibly chortling at some of your posts, much to the dismay of my partner and cats. But it's a small price to pay

To wit, I'm going to retire my CM activities for the night; enough damage done. Instead, I'll be playing some SW Battlefront 2, where I get to get schooled by some French teen in the intricacies of dying, and my mother will undoubtedly be called a whore a lot. It's a far cry from growing up on Pong I tell you

 

[TheAddict]

Lol. Damn, reminds me of the grief i used to give people on unreal tournament '99 , back when a teen myself lol. Was infamous for being one huge potty mouthed lil *beep* , used to type so hyper fast could be insulting someone during mid combat and still wind them up while face to face tryin to frag each other (instagib mode, one gun, one shot one kill with a small pause inbetween shots for reloads - not fully automatic guns). Had the skills to back it up though so it was funny to tease regulars sometimes

Still feel bad to this day for ripping into an older person who i played vs a lot when playing on public servers, where one day they were playing exceptionally poorly in general yet still pullin off shots that seriously begun to agitate me, felt very bad when i found out late into the game it was actually the granddaughter who was on their pc to who i was (to put it mildy) being rather unpolite towards and not actually the old dude who knew me as a regular big mouth player. My maturity level increased about 2% after that
On the other hand, the girl was probably buzzing that she was gettiin a reaction in a way, having watched her grandfather get his butt kicked for 18 months by this guy she was now fragging.

Never did cross the line with the whole mother thing though. That's just uncool.

 

[gambyx7]

Playboy (old MG classic) finally came to casino where I play...

125 balance in start... standard 0.60 bet..

...450 spins...19 heartstoppers...and bust

best win were 19x and 17x....and a few 10x wins....

Pure example of slot fairness...RTP should be around IR (some sources say 96.5, some even 97.8(!) )

Maybe I was 20-30 spins away from unlocking Sofia feature which maybe could save, but I doubt..

 

[Reelsoffun]

how is been able to control the rtp random.I would think that's anything but random, controlling the spins and payout

Of course being able to control the RTP can still be random, its in the math !

How about a simple way to put it.

my "slot machine" say is a die ( dice ) etc

And it costs £1 to throw the die

if you get a 6 your paid £4
if you get a 4 you paid £1
if you get a 2 your paid only 65p

a 1,3, or 5 however pays nothing.

Assuming that the die is true and your not manipulating it in anyway you can say that what you get is random. eg 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 Yes?


So therefore my "slot" game would have a RTP of 94.16% even though 50% of all spins are dead spins.


Surely you can now see that something that is random can still be expected to perform to the expected and designed RTP !

 

[trancemonkey]

Of course being able to control the RTP can still be random, its in the math !

How about a simple way to put it.

my "slot machine" say is a die ( dice ) etc

And it costs £1 to throw the die

if you get a 6 your paid £4
if you get a 4 you paid £1
if you get a 2 your paid only 65p

a 1,3, or 5 however pays nothing.

Assuming that the die is true and your not manipulating it in anyway you can say that what you get is random. eg 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 Yes?


So therefore my "slot" game would have a RTP of 94.16% even though 50% of all spins are dead spins.


Surely you can now see that something that is random can still be expected to perform to the expected and designed RTP !

I've been over this about 12,324 times... and still people don't understand

 

[CasinoNinja]

I've been over this about 12,324 times... and still people don't understand

I think they understand, but they are just looking for any excuse when they are losing even when the truth of how it's done been told so so many times.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I was in portugal last 5 days. I wrote something here about VOLUME being played on slots. That country is a perfect example for this. In short i believe if the majority of people dont play big, there's nothing big to win. I played just one slot which i had to put 500 in to get back 1300 and keep betting max bet (4 euro a spin). Compared to holland some casino's are really a joke. But the more south-european you go the better the casino's actually are.

Funny part was that staff instant sat on top of me stating i cant take photo's etc of winnings. You have to watch out to as a foreigner that when people see you just hit a jackpot you even get prostitution offered, lol. Some people just barely make 30 euro a day and here comes some foreigner spending relatively big.

Ofcourse i rejected any offers... come'on. They where not worth it at all and the same night i met a beautiful cuban girl which was in my bed the very next day. I meet her again in April.

 

[Tourettesguy]

They where not worth it at all and the same night i met a beautiful cuban girl which was in my bed the very next day. I meet her again in April.

 

[Tourettesguy]

Ok, to Dino and Monkey...about "balancesavers"...(freak wins on last spin) which I say are not just random luck when you have played hours and 2000+ spins with no win over 15x bet.

You guys compare # of freak wins (1000x/bet win or more) hit at the time the player can make 1 or 2 more spins before hitting zero balance to 3 or more spins left, which could be over 2000 spin left...quite a huge range there..

Break that range up to lets say when the player can make 32 or 33 more spins until hitting zero balance...how many freak wins have occoured at the balance are 32 or 33 spins from zero balance compared to 1 or 2 spins from bust? Make it easy and say those are €1 spins... so are there same # of freak wins at a €32 balance in a players account or at €1 balance? Probably not...but if there happen to be for some reason...lets go to €33 balance then and count freak wins...same # of wins like at €1 balance? Probably not...

I think if you count all freak wins in here and put them up like shown below youll see a pattern.. It would probably look something like this:
#Freak wins and at which balance: (€1 bets) For ex found on this forum...
€1 balance = 10 freak wins
€2 = 3
€3 = 1
€4 = 0
€5 = 0
€6 = 0
€7 = 0
€8 = 0
€9 = 1
€10 = 1
€11 = 0
.
.
.
€30 = 0
€31 = 1
€32 = 3
€33 = 0
.
.
.
€71 = 0
€72 = 1
€73 = 0
.
.
€99 = 1
€100 = 2
€101 = 1
€102 = 0
.
.
And so on...

Hope this make it more clear for you? I dont call this just random. Dont have the time to prove this but Ive seen around 10 freak wins here on last spin...doubt Ill see same amount of freak wins on any other balance.

 

[trancemonkey]

Ok, to Dino and Monkey...about "balancesavers"...(freak wins on last spin) which I say are not just random luck when you have played hours and 2000+ spins with no win over 15x bet.

You guys compare # of freak wins (1000x/bet win or more) hit at the time the player can make 1 or 2 more spins before hitting zero balance to 3 or more spins left, which could be over 2000 spin left...quite a huge range there..

Break that range up to lets say when the player can make 32 or 33 more spins until hitting zero balance...how many freak wins have occoured at the balance are 32 or 33 spins from zero balance compared to 1 or 2 spins from bust? Make it easy and say those are €1 spins... so are there same # of freak wins at a €32 balance in a players account or at €1 balance? Probably not...but if there happen to be for some reason...lets go to €33 balance then and count freak wins...same # of wins like at €1 balance? Probably not...

I think if you count all freak wins in here and put them up like shown below youll see a pattern.. It would probably look something like this:
#Freak wins and at which balance: (€1 bets) For ex found on this forum...
€1 balance = 10 freak wins
€2 = 3
€3 = 1
€4 = 0
€5 = 0
€6 = 0
€7 = 0
€8 = 0
€9 = 1
€10 = 1
€11 = 0
.
.
.
€30 = 0
€31 = 1
€32 = 3
€33 = 0
.
.
.
€71 = 0
€72 = 1
€73 = 0
.
.
€99 = 1
€100 = 2
€101 = 1
€102 = 0
.
.
And so on...

Hope this make it more clear for you? I dont call this just random. Dont have the time to prove this but Ive seen around 10 freak wins here on last spin...doubt Ill see same amount of freak wins on any other balance.

Easy enough to prove / disprove. Only every deposit €10 at a time, and play at €1 bet. You'll be rich in no time if you're right

 

[CasinoNinja]

I for sure have busted alot more than hitting big on my very last spin, and I probably and big wins way more times on a decent balance than down to my last £5. So no, this is all in your head again as it easier to remember the really lucky moments when you hit big on your last £ than when you hit big while your have a decent balance.

 

[trancemonkey]

I for sure have busted alot more than hitting big on my very last spin, and I probably and big wins way more times on a decent balance than down to my last £5. So no, this is all in your head again as it easier to remember the really lucky moments when you hit big on your last £ than when you hit big while your have a decent balance.

The issue is (if you can call it an issue) that we only ever remember them happening when our balance gets low. We don't remember them happening when our balance was healthy... Why? Because when you're running out of money you are far more aware of your balance... so you focus on it.

 

[CasinoNinja]

The issue is (if you can call it an issue) that we only ever remember them happening when our balance gets low. We don't remember them happening when our balance was healthy... Why? Because when you're running out of money you are far more aware of your balance... so you focus on it.

Yup exactly.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I for sure have busted alot more than hitting big on my very last spin, and I probably and big wins way more times on a decent balance than down to my last £5. So no, this is all in your head again as it easier to remember the really lucky moments when you hit big on your last £ than when you hit big while your have a decent balance.

I have a reason to believe that maths are programmed in such a way that the next time you are low on your balance, your triggered far more easy to deposit some more money. This is how a gambling addiction starts. You remember your last big win on your last spin. Think about it. Gambling is to get people hooked long. The longer you play the more the odds are for the house.

 

[Tourettesguy]

Jesus Christ you all (except Bloatgoat) dont hear me...LOL!

 

[Tourettesguy]

Easy enough to prove / disprove. Only every deposit €10 at a time, and play at €1 bet. You'll be rich in no time if you're right

You laugh it away by that incredible stupid answer

How many time do I have to tell you that dont work? I knwo you understand me but you constatly look the other way when I say you need to have done alot of deposits and looong tight session with very low wins...haha, come one admit you understand me now. And ther eis profs aroudn this forum..ive myself have found around 10 freak wins on the last spins. Prove me wrong finding any other blance with that many freak wins of 800x bet or more.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Jesus Christ you all (except Bloatgoat) dont hear me...LOL!

No, by the majority all is legit, and close as random. So there is no room for any discussion like this, basicly.

The weird things you see are the maths. And the maths are in the end programmed by humans.

Someone in here said that you need to wager a certain amount of money first in order to get a reasonable or equal win. This is pretty much as close as we can get with truth.

 

[trancemonkey]

You laugh it away by that incredible stupid answer

How many time do I have to tell you that dont work? I knwo you understand me but you constatly look the other way when I say you need to have done alot of deposits and looong tight session with very low wins...haha, come one admit you understand me now. And ther eis profs aroudn this forum..ive myself have found around 10 freak wins on the last spins. Prove me wrong finding any other blance with that many freak wins of 800x bet or more.

But, with all due respect, you said "...how many freak wins have occoured at the balance are 32 or 33 spins from zero balance compared to 1 or 2 spins from bust?" - so if that was correct, then why would it not work if you only ever put €10 in and played at €1? Quite why it's an incredibly stupid answer, i don't know... i'm merely stating that if what you are saying is true, then you should always play with a very low balance. So if it IS rigged, you tell me how it works in such a way that what i've suggested is stupid? How would the game know to hold off until your second to last spin? What if you'd changed games with 5 spins to go - what would the game have done then?

And also, again with all due respect, if i look on YouTube i'll see proof the earth is flat, but it isn't... so saying "look around this forum - there is proof" is not, in fact, proof. So i'll stick to what i know and you stick to what you think you know.

 

[trancemonkey]

No, by the majority all is legit, and close as random. So there is no room for any discussion like this, basicly.

The weird things you see are the maths. And the maths are in the end programmed by humans.

Someone in here said that you need to wager a certain amount of money first in order to get a reasonable or equal win. This is pretty much as close as we can get with truth.

And many people also said that this is total BS - but you only believe this one person because it fits in with your beliefs

 

[Bloatgoat]

And many people also said that this is total BS - but you only believe this one person because it fits in with your beliefs

No, because i played long enough to know that it's not random, lol. (here we go again).

So in portugal, i played a high limit slot. Denomination of 0.50cents with 20 lines / max of 50 euro a bet. I tossed in 600, back at 250 it hitted me back to 570 again. I knew if i continued from here on, it would bust me out. It's like the slot is saying, here, please take the 30 loss, and move on. against all odds i continued and bam back to zero.

I have experience enough by now knowing when it hits or not.

 

[Tourettesguy]

But, with all due respect, you said "...how many freak wins have occoured at the balance are 32 or 33 spins from zero balance compared to 1 or 2 spins from bust?" - so if that was correct, then why would it not work if you only ever put €10 in and played at €1? Quite why it's an incredibly stupid answer, i don't know... i'm merely stating that if what you are saying is true, then you should always play with a very low balance. So if it IS rigged, you tell me how it works in such a way that what i've suggested is stupid? How would the game know to hold off until your second to last spin? What if you'd changed games with 5 spins to go - what would the game have done then?

And also, again with all due respect, if i look on YouTube i'll see proof the earth is flat, but it isn't... so saying "look around this forum - there is proof" is not, in fact, proof. So i'll stick to what i know and you stick to what you think you know.

You tell me, you are the programmer you say. Ofcoarse there is a reason with this, to earn more money by hooking players and take the edge of any frustration when the player in most cases when this happen have lost many man maany deposits or have had loooong losing session... It dont always happen but enough times to hook the players. If it would not happen times to time after 4000 spins with max win of 15x bet deposit after deposit the player ofcoarse leave and stop playing. I my self have had these balancesaver lots of times, probably 100 times during my 17+ years playing online. One a year ago I got these freak balancesavers 3 times in one session playing Dragon Born.
And again...a slot is ofcoarse not programmed to pay more than the average set payout of 96%...you of all should know that?
You also know the online gambling business is huge...guys working with this probably have been on training courses every day for months just to learn this one thing Ive brough up here...hom to generate income efficient without losing customers and so on...
Interesting you brought up that changing game...that is another thing after a losing streak, many times you instantly see a big compensating win after changing slot. Softeare want you to believe you made a right choice and you keep playing...and losing.
Dont happen always but enough times to trick and hook you.

And some here say "I just remember those wins on last spins"..ofcoarse a myth, just look af the profs on this forum...but interesting you say that becoase that is exactly what the programmers what you do to, they want you to REMEMBER THAT FREAK WIN ON LAST SPIN so you deposit more next time!

I can find 5 freak wins on last spin on this forum pretty fast...can you come up with 5 freak spins on any other same remaining balance here? (or at any same number of remaining spins to zero balance on current bet) I highly doubt it..

 

[Bloatgoat]

In landbased, i find it very often, that the moment i put in money, after just a few spins on a high bet, the machine is already telling me, here, take the xxxx profit, i'm not going todo any better tonight. And when i continue to play, it happens. Losing money is for the stupid people who cant make the correct choices.

 

[trancemonkey]

No, because i played long enough to know that it's not random, lol. (here we go again).

So in portugal, i played a high limit slot. Denomination of 0.50cents with 20 lines / max of 50 euro a bet. I tossed in 600, back at 250 it hitted me back to 570 again. I knew if i continued from here on, it would bust me out. It's like the slot is saying, here, please take the 30 loss, and move on. against all odds i continued and bam back to zero.

I have experience enough by now knowing when it hits or not.

You're right... eventually it would have taken that 570 back... because it is running at < 100%

 

[trancemonkey]

I can find 5 freak wins on last spin on this forum pretty fast...can you come up with 5 freak spins on any other same remaining balance here? (or at any same number of remaining spins to zero balance on current bet) I highly doubt it..

Yeah - pretty much every single big, super, mega, insane, jumbo, whatever win on youtube / twitch that's ever been posted

Here's one on the first spin:

 

[trancemonkey]

Anyway, i promised myself i wouldn't interact with people who point blank refuse to believe facts. Never let a belief get in the way of a fact guys!

Remember - gamble responsibly

 

[TheAddict]

Bloaty, Come on man. After a few spins on a high bet, what do you expect the game to do? Sit on the exact balance you started with? Its in most cases going to be up a bit or down a bit.
Now, i wonder how many none stupid people who after a few spins had a lower balance and left in the minus. To walk onto 5 more slots and do the same, losing small in each and moving on slowly decreasing the bankroll in a similar way no matter what game they tried, does this make them now become stupid because they didn't get into the plus on any of the tried games and therefore should have assumed all games would follow suit before that outcome happened?

Or other people who play for a short period, get up a bit, but go on despite the machine apparantly hinting to take and run early on. So they continue.. and lose maybe 40% of the starting balance or more grinding up and down, then hit 1000x to put them way ahead from the starting balance. Are they stupid for not doing what the game within a few spins suggested would happen? Or are they just experiencing random events that are weighted towards being unfavourable while paying in the long run to be provided with exactly that type of entertainment?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah - pretty much every single big, super, mega, insane, jumbo, whatever win on youtube / twitch that's ever been posted

Here's one on the first spin:

Any video like this i dodge immidiatly. Their only purpose is to create a new breed of slot players. The refferal link in the description is all what counts for that hopeless cunt making vids about how great you can win online. Screw him. And your post, lol.

 

[trancemonkey]

Any video like this i dodge immidiatly. Their only purpose is to create a new breed of slot players. The refferal link in the description is all what counts for that hopeless cunt making vids about how great you can win online. Screw him. And your post, lol.

There are hundreds of thousands of slot win videos online.... go pick some at random and check the balance. Pick 100 at random and write down the balance when the big win occurs.

Better still video every session you do for the next 10 sessions upload the video. Let’s see what the balance is on when the big win (if it hits) hits.

Or do what you always do and dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your views. I don’t really care either way.

 

[dionysus]

There are hundreds of thousands of slot win videos online.... go pick some at random and check the balance. Pick 100 at random and write down the balance when the big win occurs.

Better still video every session you do for the next 10 sessions upload the video. Let’s see what the balance is on when the big win (if it hits) hits.

Or do what you always do and dismiss it because it doesn’t fit your views. I don’t really care either way.

i know right...hell there was thousands of pages HERE before Bryan had to shut the thread down and make it monthly.

 

[trancemonkey]

i know right...hell there was thousands of pages HERE before Bryan had to shut the thread down and make it monthly.

I have no idea what that means lol

 

[interlog]

I have no idea what that means lol

Winner screen shots section I section. Used to be one massive topic but a new one is now created each month.

 

[dionysus]

I have no idea what that means lol

re: There are hundreds of thousands of slot win videos online.... go pick some at random and check the balance. Pick 100 at random and write down the balance when the big win occurs.


There used to be all winning screenshots here from time immemorial, until Bryan had to fork it due to size and make it a monthly thread, so one could have gone though thousands of pages and tens of thousands of slots wins here to see the hits and balances

 

[goatwack]

Anyway, i promised myself i wouldn't interact with people who point blank refuse to believe facts. Never let a belief get in the way of a fact guys!

Remember - gamble responsibly

Well it's your job to try and convince them otherwise.

I don't think you'be been trying hard enough on that front

 

[CasinoNinja]

Here you go: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots-february-2018.82832/

@Tourettesguy @Bloatgoat That should be satisfactory, until you can come up with another excuse on why hitting big wins in your middle of the balance is not enough proof to bust your "balance saver" theory.

 

[dionysus]

Here you go: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots-february-2018.82832/

@Tourettesguy @Bloatgoat That should be satisfactory, until you can come up with another excuse on why hitting big wins in your middle of the balance is not enough proof to bust your "balance saver" theory.

BECAUSE ITS RIGGED I TELLS YA

 

[Bloatgoat]

Here you go: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots-february-2018.82832/

@Tourettesguy @Bloatgoat That should be satisfactory, until you can come up with another excuse on why hitting big wins in your middle of the balance is not enough proof to bust your "balance saver" theory.

Those screenshots are pretty hilarious if you compare them with mines...

100 free spins on 21 euro bet, lol.

Cashed out at 9000 euro. HAVE A NICE DAY SIR. I shit my pants btw if the casino actually would pay out or not. Paying out is a second issue with many casino's online as well.

 

[TheAddict]

21euro bet? Damn man. Perhaps 1 can see how you might get ahead quickly on a few spins if that is anywhere near your usual spin cost. Wouldnt take a huge hit and ofc you're going to remember it, and quite likely quickly move on feeling chuffed with the quick raise.
Nice wd!. But clean your ass!

 

[Bloatgoat]

I remember fidding around with bets ... and i pressed the 21 euro button like 3 times before 5 (!) symbols came into screen. I yelled at my GF being upstairs like WTF just happend... And we kinda enjoyed the 10 minute ride which ended up on a brutal 10k win.

As i said before in this thread i am a High limit player, i really seek the limits of any slot, and i have guts In my landbased i am VIP as well. They really love me, lol.

 

[goatwack]

I remember fidding around with bets ... and i pressed the 21 euro button like 3 times before 5 (!) symbols came into screen. I yelled at my GF being upstairs like WTF just happend... And we kinda enjoyed the 10 minute ride which ended up on a brutal 10k win.

As i said before in this thread i am a High limit player, i really seek the limits of any slot, and i have guts In my landbased i am VIP as well. They really love me, lol.

Is this before the Cuban girl or after? Or is your girlfriend the Cuban girl? I need to know

 

[Bloatgoat]

Is this before the Cuban girl or after? Or is your girlfriend the Cuban girl? I need to know

Me and my ex are ofcourse, no longer together. The cuban is fresh. She was a former model, being married for 3 years. I feel sorry for the guy, but i cant help it when they grab my hand while dancing and putting it on her ass. It's like an open door for me at that moment.

After one and a half hour she was litterally being sold after having an explosion full of sex, lol. She came out of my hotel room like if a bomb went off in that place. xD I meet her again in her place... her husband seems to be gone for a while. You know what happens.

I am the cause of her divorse, lol. The best part is that she is bisexual, and while being at home now, she already lets me know her gf kinda likes me by going through the pics. I've sended my pearl in between my legs by now and i'll have a suprise awaiting for me in April.

 

[slot_zombie]

And then Bloatgoat woke up, alone, from his restless dreams. The laptop was still switched on. "Insufficient credits to play" said the Fiesta Cubana slot...

 

[Tourettesguy]

Yeah - pretty much every single big, super, mega, insane, jumbo, whatever win on youtube / twitch that's ever been posted

Alls those are won on different balances so you fail... My theory is proven right! I win!

 

[trancemonkey]

Alls those are won on different balances so you fail... My theory is proven right! I win!

What?! You said they are nearly always balance savers. I said they are not. How on earth do you think you're proven right?! Hahahaha

 

[Tourettesguy]

You said they are nearly always balance savers.

Waat? Show me where I wrote that? Ive told you numerous times clearly what I mean but you seem to have some kind of block in your head and dont wanna hear what Im saying...like a liberal Trump hater.

When there is one freak win on every balance, like €2, €3, €4 and so on there are 10 freak wins on last bet (€1)...if there are two on average on each bet there are probably 20 freak wins on last spin... Will probably see a freak win here on the forum on last bet very soon again...

 

[funnymunny]

Hey trance - deep breaths - they've surely gotta fit this criteria by now...

I know it's tempting, but as Bart says...