Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[aceking123]

Centurion slot is a good game to be honest , two versions i do believe , one of which just has a spins round the other offers 4/5 different bonus games , ive played both & like them pretty damn good balance on this slot & can give you some nice wins .

Fabric 4 not played

Shamrock i have only played maybe three times , but did get a screenshot from it.

Super hot fruits not so good gave up after watching rinse & repeat syndrome.

 

[trancemonkey]

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Install an adblocker btw. It looks very basic. And this is i think the difference in quality as i was saying before. You wont find these in landbased. I am not saying your work is no good, but i can tell the quality in between some games or simply bad knock offs from the original. With above i could design a slot myself too. It's not that hard. I work in Media business, adult. So you know where i am coming from. If i may advise you, please go for games that are FUN and STICK along with players. Playing slots is like an adventure in my beliefs and it should just as climbing a mountain be, a thrill. This is why i stick with certain games.

Of course you find these games in landbased... don't forget we do games for many many markets. Fruit games (simple games like Shamrock Lock) do brilliantly in some markets. For example in Greece, Super Hot Fruits is the top game by a mile in all the Play Stores and Gaming Halls.

Simple games like that also do well in the UK, Scandinavia, Latam, South Africa, etc... You know your market and yes I agree it wouldn't work there.

So when I'm doing games I do the games based on the market... if I'm doing fruit games like SL or SHF then of course the quality is different to a full blown slot game. If I'm doing games for Vegas then the quality is obviojksly much much higher. Its about tailoring the game for the target market.

I wouldn't play Super Hot Fruits but then I'm not the target player...

Come to ICE and I'll show you the games I've done for Vegas and the ones I've done for fruit markets/VLT markets. There is a big difference!

 

[CasinoNinja]

Centurion is pretty fun slot to play and I'm glad that it is available online too, with higher RTP than the dreaded 91% which are in the UK betting shops.

I would say though, the online version acts way more slow and sluggish, it seems more like a copy paste job from machines to online and they did not really put in any effort to make it smooth online

 

[Bloatgoat]

That's what i said before, many games are knockoff from the original.

 

[trancemonkey]

That's what i said before, many games are knockoff from the original.

Well we do multiple versions of the same game if the original is successful. Makes business sense and players like familiarity.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Well we do multiple versions of the same game if the original is successful. Makes business sense and players like familiarity.

Yeah but it would be nice if the actual game would be as close as possible. I dont understand why online only offers 20 vs 40 lines on landbased casino.

THAT on it's own is an advantage for the casino as well.

 

[goatwack]

I'd imagine online game conversions are simplified so as not to detract from the 'spectacle' of land-based games. I don't see why we couldn't get exact clones in online play (licensing issues aside)....

I'm sure land based casinos gimp their payouts to cover a multitude of things such as overheads, taxes etc. Could be way off the mark but having like-for-like online games would effectively deter anyone from ever playing in a bricks and mortar again, surely

 

[snorky510238]

I'd imagine online game conversions are simplified so as not to detract from the 'spectacle' of land-based games. I don't see why we couldn't get exact clones in online play (licensing issues aside)....

I'm sure land based casinos gimp their payouts to cover a multitude of things such as overheads, taxes etc. Could be way off the mark but having like-for-like online games would effectively deter anyone from ever playing in a bricks and mortar again, surely

I play in a land based casino that has an online site and all the best high rtp games they have online are nowhere to be found what a coincidence.

 

[Bloatgoat]

The future looks promissing though... imagine putting up a VR glass and walk into your favorite casino, to play on actual live slots as if you where in the room.

 

[trancemonkey]

Yeah but it would be nice if the actual game would be as close as possible. I dont understand why online only offers 20 vs 40 lines on landbased casino.

THAT on it's own is an advantage for the casino as well.

It depends on the game... for example, games in UK bookmakers and casinos are normally low line count high volatility games... but online you have to appeal to a much bigger audience. So the tendency is to go for higher line counts which tends to reduce the volatility.

Also in some markets you can't do some of the things you can do online... for example you can't have holdovers game to game in the UK retail but you can online.

It's stupid. But that's the reality.

 

[trancemonkey]

I play in a land based casino that has an online site and all the best high rtp games they have online are nowhere to be found what a coincidence.

That a just because there is a limited cross over due to porting restrictions, business reasons, or whatever.

Raging Rhino was a flop in casinos but has done well online. Same as Montezuma.

There is not as much cross over as you might think between markets....

 

[trancemonkey]

I'd imagine online game conversions are simplified so as not to detract from the 'spectacle' of land-based games. I don't see why we couldn't get exact clones in online play (licensing issues aside)....

I'm sure land based casinos gimp their payouts to cover a multitude of things such as overheads, taxes etc. Could be way off the mark but having like-for-like online games would effectively deter anyone from ever playing in a bricks and mortar again, surely

I know of no land based casinos that are as high as most online games.

 

[Tourettesguy]

I'm not defending Yggdrasil here... how they have done the maths is up to them. If the feature is shit then that's a different issue entirely. I'm just telling you why the reel bands are different.

Do you also complain that in DOA the number of wilds on the reels in the free spins is drastically lower than in the base game?

Ok, first of all, there are no "reel bands" anymore...DOA is an ex when you see 2 scatters on "stacks" but you will never hit two scatters on one reel at same time.

Sure I know there are different reels during free games/feature and I know less WILDs on DOA comes during free spins...but here the problem with you trancemonky, you dont see the hole picture...and you comment only 1 out 5 things I point out is not random/rigged etc. Cause you dont know or dont wanna tell if you knew what I was pointing out.

DOA has only one freespins...pretty simple to mention that game for you and like that uis an explanation for other slots...problem I see with Vikings go Berzerk and its free spins is that when you hit 7 free spins...and then the random extra wild, extra spin, wild reel or chests you cant tell a difference during those spins ...wild vikings come more or less often everytime in different postions....but when you hit Ragnarök which happen more rarly these vikings dont come at all mostly...its the same free spins trigger and it should not in this case use different reel than its normally do during free spins. I think Yggrasil is pushing it here what is legally ok...are there any infomation in the "product infomation data sheet" of this slot that "Hitting Ragnarök free spins, you will play on another set of different reels than "normal" free spins reels and with much less WILD vikings"

I bet the software controllers in this case have no idea Ragnarök spins give less vikings.. I would love to see a screenshot from anyone here that wins less than 250 coins during any VgoB free spins...only Ragnarök ca ngive that low...whe nit suppose to give more than average normally....and for sure not the lowest possible outcome on Ragnarök..LOL

 

[trancemonkey]

Ok, first of all, there are no "reel bands" anymore...DOA is an ex when you see 2 scatters on "stacks" but you will never hit two scatters on one reel at same time.

Sure I know there are different reels during free games/feature and I know less WILDs on DOA comes during free spins...but here the problem with you trancemonky, you dont see the hole picture...and you comment only 1 out 5 things I point out is not random/rigged etc. Cause you dont know or dont wanna tell if you knew what I was pointing out.

DOA has only one freespins...pretty simple to mention that game for you and like that uis an explanation for other slots...problem I see with Vikings go Berzerk and its free spins is that when you hit 7 free spins...and then the random extra wild, extra spin, wild reel or chests you cant tell a difference during those spins ...wild vikings come more or less often everytime in different postions....but when you hit Ragnarök which happen more rarly these vikings dont come at all mostly...its the same free spins trigger and it should not in this case use different reel than its normally do during free spins. I think Yggrasil is pushing it here what is legally ok...are there any infomation in the "product infomation data sheet" of this slot that "Hitting Ragnarök free spins, you will play on another set of different reels than "normal" free spins reels and with much less WILD vikings"

I bet the software controllers in this case have no idea Ragnarök spins give less vikings.. I would love to see a screenshot from anyone here that wins less than 250 coins during any VgoB free spins...only Ragnarök ca ngive that low...whe nit suppose to give more than average normally....and for sure not the lowest possible outcome on Ragnarök..LOL

Yeah you're right... you got me. We don't use reel bands at all. Or maths. We just have mice in a ball that run. Until they get tired. Then they stop.

That's how the symbols work. Get five mice. Five reels. Job done.

Seriously though I would happily answer your points... and have many times. But firstly you make a lot of points in one post and secondly you don't believe a word I say anyway.

DOA is extremely badly coded. The symbols above and below the reels bear no relation to the reel bands... and I agree it's very badly implemented. God knows how they broke that...

As for Ragnarok... again I can't comment on that game as I haven't played it much but there is nothing illegal about using different reel bands in features.
If you don't like the feature, don't play the game. Protest with your wallet

 

[dionysus]

Yeah you're right... you got me. We don't use reel bands at all. Or maths. We just have mice in a ball that run. Until they get tired. Then they stop.

a hahahahahahaha

 

[goatwack]

Yeah you're right... you got me. We don't use reel bands at all. Or maths. We just have mice in a ball that run. Until they get tired. Then they stop.

That's how the symbols work. Get five mice. Five reels. Job done.

Seriously though I would happily answer your points... and have many times. But firstly you make a lot of points in one post and secondly you don't believe a word I say anyway.

DOA is extremely badly coded. The symbols above and below the reels bear no relation to the reel bands... and I agree it's very badly implemented. God knows how they broke that...

As for Ragnarok... again I can't comment on that game as I haven't played it much but there is nothing illegal about using different reel bands in features.
If you don't like the feature, don't play the game. Protest with your wallet

I'd love to use mice on slots, gotta be better than random number generators

Although I now you're lying for sure this time. It is and always has been hamsters

 

[Tourettesguy]

We don't use reel bands at all.

I ment reel strips maybe...for me that is same. Before there was a site you could see all reel strips on slots...how long and in which order the symbols came..

One reason I stoppt play RTG slots..before you could follow the slow moving reel and you would know if it would land on the 3rd scatter depending of in which position the slow motions reel started, I liked it alot...now it dont work anymore when symbols seem to be everywhere at the same time.

 

[slotmaster]

I ment reel strips maybe...for me that is same. Before there was a site you could see all reel strips on slots...how long and in which order the symbols came..

One reason I stoppt play RTG slots..before you could follow the slow moving reel and you would know if it would land on the 3rd scatter depending of in which position the slow motions reel started, I liked it alot...now it dont work anymore when symbols seem to be everywhere at the same time.

Yes! RTG you can tell if you are going to get the free spins or bonus, They fixed that? That is no more?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yeah you're right... you got me. We don't use reel bands at all. Or maths. We just have mice in a ball that run. Until they get tired. Then they stop.

That's how the symbols work. Get five mice. Five reels. Job done.

Now you understand why people tap the screen. They just want to scare the mouse and make it stop.

 

[Guntis]

What?? No need??....they have to do it to protect themselves ofcorase... There are numerous bulit in features in the software to this ofcoarse. Otherwise some lucky players always have luck at Immortal Romance...but ocourse its set in a way it turs cold for every accounts sooner or later..most often sooner. All slots mostly behave that way... And all singel accounts are separated and you fight your own payout...the slot remembers ofcoarse..so you have an avergae payout of 95%....you start at 100% at first spin...then goes up and down but steadily down...at all slots, all casinos.

Trusting a casino to pay is one thing...but everything else you as a player dont see is just as important... I probably could name 50 different strange phenomas that repeat itself or happen happen too often to be random like getting a feature instantly when playing your last pennies for your last spin....or for ex. you start at €200...play down abit...often fist free spin/bonus feature nomatter when it comes..after losing €25 or €195 it very often takes you right back to toooo close €200(starting balance) Wonder if the slots feels when to trigger the free spins to get back to starting balance or if the slots decides the total win amount to reach starting balance when the feature comes...or if its preset long before when I reach €135 there is a feature there win a preset win amount of €65....3 possible ways...often it doen matter if you change bet from €2 spin to 20 cent spin...you get up there anyway... Big win or supermegawin does not matter....like you can force a supermega win on Gemix lowering to 10 cent spins just before you finishing the 3rd pattern...which you have filled playing €2 spins...

Its pure bullsxxx everything...nothign random at all, your own account payout % rollercoaster is pre-set from beginning... And why for ex I hit 2 retriggers of 10 spins on Bonanza first gamesession ever...3 retriggers first time I play Kitty Glitter and fullscreen of higest paying symbols...on a Net Ent game first tiem I play it...and then 500,000 spins later on each slots ive never been near hits like that! Remember it have happen on other new slots too...well...it happen cause you have a blank gamestatement payout havent leveled out and payout rollercoaster are crazy in beginning...its a mathematical thing. Not random...

Lots of slots pay in a way that is rigged to...how symbols stops... Some slots have this growing stacked wilds...reels almost coverd with wilds...still it rarely stopps on screeen...lol! Holy cxxx this is sxxx! haha

And this tranceguy...what answer you have got from him? Ive heard in the US some guy stand talking about God on TV...getting rich as fxxx...how??

I agree 100% with you!
The software of the big developers - for example, NetEnt or Microgaming - has a very complicated structure. In particular, on a single NetEnt server, not only all financial transactions are analyzed (who how much place a bet and how much they won / lost), but also all the additional parameters, many of which reflect the psychological factors. How the player behaves after a big winning, often he deposits / receives money, how much player has on his account, he had the large wins in the past, and so on.

 

[SpinUk]

I agree 100% with you!
The software of the big developers - for example, NetEnt or Microgaming - has a very complicated structure. In particular, on a single NetEnt server, not only all financial transactions are analyzed (who how much place a bet and how much they won / lost), but also all the additional parameters, many of which reflect the psychological factors. How the player behaves after a big winning, often he deposits / receives money, how much player has on his account, he had the large wins in the past, and so on.

Your kidding right

 

[funnymunny]

I agree 100% with you!
The software of the big developers - for example, NetEnt or Microgaming - has a very complicated structure. In particular, on a single NetEnt server, not only all financial transactions are analyzed (who how much place a bet and how much they won / lost), but also all the additional parameters, many of which reflect the psychological factors. How the player behaves after a big winning, often he deposits / receives money, how much player has on his account, he had the large wins in the past, and so on.

Absolute nonsense.

NetEnt (like every other software provider we partner with and I have worked for), does't have access to any data that occurs on Servers they don't control. E.g. Operator / site registration servers, banking servers, wins and losses on on their competitor games, etc.

We (Operators) have to operate under strict Regulatory and legal guidelines. Data protection (and the repercussions of no abiding to it) mean that access to the data you're talking about is not even available to all employees of the site(s) you are playing at, let alone software providers.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Technically, any casino, game operator, has control on top of that data. Why in the world is serverbased gaming introduced into landbased and online ?

Big data is the future. So is the data of for example the response of a player after a big win. Think about it. They can and will design their games that tap into the psychological aspect of players. Its more profit!

 

[funnymunny]

Technically, any casino, game operator, has control on top of that data. Why in the world is serverbased gaming introduced into landbased and online ?

Low cost / high speed distribution of games and updates.
Link games for progressive jackpots.
Collate data for Regulatory (gaming and financial) and business reporting.
Etc...

Big data is the future. So is the data of for example the response of a player after a big win. Think about it. They can and will design their games that tap into the psychological aspect of players. Its more profit!

The servers record game data (bet size and results), but as far as online gaming is concerned, the gaming servers are ignorant of who the players are. I gave an explanation of this in a previous thread - please see here.

As far as land-based gaming goes, unless you're using your players club card, the machine has absolutely no idea who you are and what you've wagered on which game. If you do use a players club card, yes, the casino can identify you & track your bets, wins and losses, but there is no way they can use this to manipulate the games results for or against you. (This is what casino comps are for & are used as a way of encouraging you to play more and / or to compensate for bad sessions).

 

[Guntis]

Absolute nonsense.

NetEnt (like every other software provider we partner with and I have worked for), does't have access to any data that occurs on Servers they don't control. E.g. Operator / site registration servers, banking servers, wins and losses on on their competitor games, etc.

We (Operators) have to operate under strict Regulatory and legal guidelines. Data protection (and the repercussions of no abiding to it) mean that access to the data you're talking about is not even available to all employees of the site(s) you are playing at, let alone software providers.

Thank for your reply!
I sounds good what you saying but i can only partly agree with you!

 

[funnymunny]

Thank for your reply!
I sounds good what you saying but i can only partly agree with you!

Sorry to hear that, but I am speaking as someone who has spent the last 15yrs working for Regulator, software provider and Operator companies in land-based and online gambling sectors. (Many on this site can verify this).

In all this time I can categorically state that what I've said is fact, however I do appreciate that may not be enough to convince some. Happy to discuss further at the 'Meister Meet-Up'.

 

[Tourettesguy]

There are so many new games all the time at different softwares, the day I get rich on slot playing is the day I find a flaw/glitch/bug in a slot that I can use to my advantage. Just wished I new all different softwares better and most games, there are bugs now here and there but not usable...yet!

 

[snorky510238]

Interesting to see the views from both sides of the fence.It's hard to disagree with statements that come from someone who works in the industry and bases their argument on facts on the other hand I think there are to many coincidences and abnormalities occurring for players to just accept that it's as cut and dried as you would have us believe.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Low cost / high speed distribution of games and updates.
Link games for progressive jackpots.
Collate data for Regulatory (gaming and financial) and business reporting.
Etc...


The servers record game data (bet size and results), but as far as online gaming is concerned, the gaming servers are ignorant of who the players are. I gave an explanation of this in a previous thread - please see here.

As far as land-based gaming goes, unless you're using your players club card, the machine has absolutely no idea who you are and what you've wagered on which game. If you do use a players club card, yes, the casino can identify you & track your bets, wins and losses, but there is no way they can use this to manipulate the games results for or against you. (This is what casino comps are for & are used as a way of encouraging you to play more and / or to compensate for bad sessions).

Why in the first place was a playerscard introduced? To get the floors-data and what people on avg would spend for example. This big data model will be used more and more into design of slots. Even tho our forum member Trancemonkey proberly disagrees, there are bigger slot designers who take that into account. The model from gambling has shift to entertainment, making it look like losing is the new hot thing, in exchange for some excitement.

 

[funnymunny]

Why in the first place was a playerscard introduced? To get the floors-data and what people on avg would spend for example. This big data model will be used more and more into design of slots. Even tho our forum member Trancemonkey proberly disagrees, there are bigger slot designers who take that into account. The model from gambling has shift to entertainment, making it look like losing is the new hot thing, in exchange for some excitement.

*sigh*

If you prefer to use your theories over the facts from 'industry insiders' on this forum, why not search elsewhere for answers?

Just like in online, where the registration database is 100% separate from the software providers gaming servers, land-based players club servers are completely independent from software providers gaming servers.

If you wish to get your own reassurance of this, please search the gaming regulations of any reputable jurisdiction (online or offline). If you are so convinced that what you are stating is fact, please take the time to do this & show us you've been right all along. (I dare say you won't however - let's see if you can prove me wrong. )

 

[trancemonkey]

I agree 100% with you!
The software of the big developers - for example, NetEnt or Microgaming - has a very complicated structure. In particular, on a single NetEnt server, not only all financial transactions are analyzed (who how much place a bet and how much they won / lost), but also all the additional parameters, many of which reflect the psychological factors. How the player behaves after a big winning, often he deposits / receives money, how much player has on his account, he had the large wins in the past, and so on.

It amazes me that you bother to play at all if you believe this... which as funnymunny explains is pure garbage. Compensation doesn't exist. Plain and simple. The game CAN NOT change it's behaviour based on anything. This is a rule in any jurisdiction. You can check the technical standards of any jurisdiction - they are all publicly available.

 

[trancemonkey]

Sorry to hear that, but I am speaking as someone who has spent the last 15yrs working for Regulator, software provider and Operator companies in land-based and online gambling sectors. (Many on this site can verify this).

In all this time I can categorically state that what I've said is fact, however I do appreciate that may not be enough to convince some. Happy to discuss further at the 'Meister Meet-Up'.

Looks like you and me will be fielding some tinfoil questions this year!

 

[trancemonkey]

Interesting to see the views from both sides of the fence.It's hard to disagree with statements that come from someone who works in the industry and bases their argument on facts on the other hand I think there are to many coincidences and abnormalities occurring for players to just accept that it's as cut and dried as you would have us believe.

Ahh yes those random coincidences and abnormalities. Damn them. How dare they prove games are random.

Have you ever thought that you only remember these coincidences or abnormalities when they back up your beliefs. Ever come on here and say a balance saver didn't happen to You?

 

[goatwack]

To suggest the games 'change' during play is obviously pure poppycock.

This is why you have people monitoring the gameplay that make all the necessary adjustments to RTP, when needed

 

[trancemonkey]

*sigh*

If you prefer to use your theories over the facts from 'industry insiders' on this forum, why not search elsewhere for answers?

Just like in online, where the registration database is 100% separate from the software providers gaming servers, land-based players club servers are completely independent from software providers gaming servers.

If you wish to get your own reassurance of this, please search the gaming regulations of any reputable jurisdiction (online or offline). If you are so convinced that what you are stating is fact, please take the time to do this & show us you've been right all along. (I dare say you won't however - let's see if you can prove me wrong. )

FM... I've been trying with BG and TG for months. It's a fruitless task...

They don't like the truth because it doesn't back up their opinion.

Player cards (or loyalty cards) were introduced in casinos for the same reason they are in any petrol station or supermarket. The clue is in the name...

Loyalty rewards.

Do you think Shell use your data to conspire with other petrol companies to somehow make you drive faster so you use more fuel, only to magically make your tank fill up just before you run out of fuel?

 

[Tourettesguy]

TM, what slotgames du you play the most these days? And are you allowed to play the same games/software you have been working on?

And other thing...these instant win games...or any other game with 50% chance of winning 2x...or if there was a roulette table with no zero and you bet on black every time... I think in the long term you would lose anyway if you played online where there is 50% chance of of winning 2x you bet.

 

[trancemonkey]

TM, what slotgames du you play the most these days? And are you allowed to play the same games/software you have been working on?

And other thing...these instant win games...or any other game with 50% chance of winning 2x...or if there was a roulette table with no zero and you bet on black every time... I think in the long term you would lose anyway if you played online where there is 50% chance of of winning 2x you bet.

I don't play instant games so I can't comment on that.

In terms of what slots do I play? Pretty much any new game from a major provider and also some from smaller ones like Red Tiger... part of my job is research so I play a lot of games. In terms of what games i play the most? Bruce Lee, Rhino, Montezuma, Shamrock Lock (my own at Coral), DOA, DHV amongst a few.

And yeah we can play our own. We have no advantage.

The only ones we can't play are the games with huge jackpots... wouldn't be good if someone from my company won a million on one of our own games

 

[Guntis]

Ahh yes those random coincidences and abnormalities. Damn them. How dare they prove games are random.

Have you ever thought that you only remember these coincidences or abnormalities when they back up your beliefs. Ever come on here and say a balance saver didn't happen to You?

There is one Russian casino streamer.He has up to 10 000 viewers every stream.He normally asks to viewers which slot i "playing" today?And people start to give their answers.So if many people recommend to play "Dead or alive" or any other slot then he plays that and normally get lucky with choice.Also there is some days of week(especially end of month) when many people say not to even go close to Netent for example and it works as well.This can't be coincidence if THOUSANDS of people at same time play Netent and say that their slots today are dead.I know from my own experience that there is some days especially Fridays and Mondays when it seems like some software developers adjust their software to reduced RTP but others do opposite.For example Netent may be"dead" but Micro slots are completely opposite.Maybe some people will disagree but i have been watching how behave Netent and Micro for long time and yes there is time when is best to play one or other.I can say there is pattern there is no randomness there is too many "coincidences " which don't seem coincidences... Same does Nyxgaming beginning of any month is best time to play 300 shields if anyone is interested....

 

[trancemonkey]

There is one Russian casino streamer.He has up to 10 000 viewers every stream.He normally asks to viewers which slot i "playing" today?And people start to give their answers.So if many people recommend to play "Dead or alive" or any other slot then he plays that and normally get lucky with choice.Also there is some days of week(especially end of month) when many people say not to even go close to Netent for example and it works as well.This can't be coincidence if THOUSANDS of people at same time play Netent and say that their slots today are dead.I know from my own experience that there is some days especially Fridays and Mondays when it seems like some software developers adjust their software to reduced RTP but others do opposite.For example Netent may be"dead" but Micro slots are completely opposite.Maybe some people will disagree but i have been watching how behave Netent and Micro for long time and yes there is time when is best to play one or other.I can say there is pattern there is no randomness there is too many "coincidences " which don't seem coincidences... Same does Nyxgaming beginning of any month is best time to play 300 shields if anyone is interested....

You believe what you want to believe .. I'll stick to facts

 

[Guntis]

You believe what you want to believe .. I'll stick to facts

Believe me- i don't want to believe in this but it happens!)

 

[trancemonkey]

Believe me- i don't want to believe in this but it happens!)

So you know for a fact that all these thousands of players were playing NetEnt and you know exactly what the games were doing and you know that for a fact? You have seen proof with your own eyes right?

And you also must know exactly what these NetEnt games did when people chose not to play them right? You have statistical evidence that is indisputable?

 

[Guntis]

So you know for a fact that all these thousands of players were playing NetEnt and you know exactly what the games were doing and you know that for a fact? You have seen proof with your own eyes right?

And you also must know exactly what these NetEnt games did when people chose not to play them right? You have statistical evidence that is indisputable?

I watch this guys streams almost regularly.He is online now spinning Foxin wins at £550 per spin No i did not see his viewers screens but i see very often what people recommend if he asks.It is based on their playing experience during that day on certain gaming provider.

 

[Tourettesguy]

Shamrock Lock (my own at Coral),

Ok, checked this slot on youtube...I guy got alot of deadspins here and just put in more and more and ofcorase on almsort last pin he hit the bonus...which was one spin. And when he gambled with his win sometimes he often got busted on black field when it was very tiny...I have to say I cn say this slot is very rigged in many ways. Not random at all. And these questionmarks symbols was not random when they came only now and then but always on several reel when they finally came. One of the most boring and money eating slot Ive seen.

And Red Tiger could be tight as hell sometimes and Im scared of them...sometimed you think the specal feature will start but it dont..and sometimes 10 times in a row...btw you know what Red Tiger slot that have the hight possible win x bet?

 

[Tirilej]

Ok, checked this slot on youtube...I guy got alot of deadspins here and just put in more and more and ofcorase on almsort last pin he hit the bonus...which was one spin. And when he gambled with his win sometimes he often got busted on black field when it was very tiny...I have to say I cn say this slot is very rigged in many ways. Not random at all. And these questionmarks symbols was not random when they came only now and then but always on several reel when they finally came. One of the most boring and money eating slot Ive seen.

And Red Tiger could be tight as hell sometimes and Im scared of them...sometimed you think the specal feature will start but it dont..and sometimes 10 times in a row...btw you know what Red Tiger slot that have the hight possible win x bet?

Have you still not realized that what you see is just eye candy? It doesn't really matter what lands on the reels as long as it gives the correct win.
I love it when people believe a slot is rigged because they get the bonus on the last spins. I always wish that would happen more often than it does instead of constantly busting out

 

[Guntis]

Ok, checked this slot on youtube...I guy got alot of deadspins here and just put in more and more and ofcorase on almsort last pin he hit the bonus...which was one spin. And when he gambled with his win sometimes he often got busted on black field when it was very tiny...I have to say I cn say this slot is very rigged in many ways. Not random at all. And these questionmarks symbols was not random when they came only now and then but always on several reel when they finally came. One of the most boring and money eating slot Ive seen.

And Red Tiger could be tight as hell sometimes and Im scared of them...sometimed you think the specal feature will start but it dont..and sometimes 10 times in a row...btw you know what Red Tiger slot that have the hight possible win x bet?

All slot are random!But not completely!Ra

 

[Tourettesguy]

Have you still not realized that what you see is just eye candy? It doesn't really matter what lands on the reels as long as it gives the correct win.
I love it when people believe a slot is rigged because they get the bonus on the last spins. I always wish that would happen more often than it does instead of constantly busting out

I was one of the first to compare slots with a lottery over 10 years ago and I was almost banned on forums for doin so,,,glad it ok to say so now. Soon these rigged events that constantly happens on slot sessions will be confirmed as true and not random.

 

[Tirilej]

I was one of the first to compare slots with a lottery over 10 years ago and I was almost banned on forums for doin so,,,glad it ok to say so now. Soon these rigged events that constantly happens on slot sessions will be confirmed as true and not random.

What you call rigged events or patterns is still just eye candy. Winning $1 is the same sum no matter what you see. It would just be so boring staring at a white page.

 

[Guntis]

I think many people just don't understand full meaning of what "random" means...Example of randomness is if i would meet on the street or bus my school mate from school 20 years ago.If situation like this would happen then it would happen only once and never again.As before this moment we never contacted each other and live in different countries.But in slots things repeat all the time so they can not be completely random!That my opinion,and i would only change it if i would see any proof of randomness....

 

[Tourettesguy]

Its not about the winnings...its when they happen and and how the reels "eye candy" acting...I think trancemonky dont aggree with you here...lol

 

[Tirilej]

Its not about the winnings...its when they happen and and how the reels "eye candy" acting...I think trancemonky dont aggree with you here...lol

It's when, what, if and if you do, how much
What I have learned over the years though is to trust people with knowledge, and to not trust those without.

Try that for a while and you'll see a new world open.