Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[trancemonkey]

Ok trancemonkey, Ive analysed this "Valley of Gods" slot from Yggrasil... Have you ever played it? If you wanna se slots that is not random you can look at that slot. So many pattersn you recognize hwne playign it that is not random.
If you won o na spin, you mostly you get same symbols on reels 1,2 and 3 on tha first stop before opening up more positions. For ex those red bird symbols. You never see the green cat symbols on that first level...and on the second level if you win o nthe first you very often gets those green cat symbols on reel 1, 2 and 4....and not other wins so you lose. Same with oraange snake symbol...you get it quite often along with green cats when all positions is cleared but there is levels certain symbols can not stop in winnign positions. Really rigged it is in many way... And with that second highest symbols, a green bigger cat...it often stops in forst level on reel 1,2 and 3 in different combos...but almpost never that same paying gold godess or what its called. And playing this slot logn enough youll know if you will reach next lever or not before tha bonus spins starts.. its like the slot have only a few variations of symbols availibe to show...and you get almost same spins over and over...you recognise the spins even though htere are millions teoretical combos. And the slot act the same for a long time..same spins over and over....also the reels are locked to each other that reel after the other cant stop in certain position depending of hos the last reel stopped...for ex you will never get several reels in a row with 3 of the same symbols close together on a stack and the next 2, 3 or more reels look the same...there are always a reel of 1 or 2 same symbols between those reels with stacks of 3...but...there is a but, it CAN happen and the slot CAN give spins you have never seen before in very short periods...eventhough its not theoreticaly hard to get or high paying... My conclusion is that the slot is only "random" and very short peruiods...inbetween 98% of the time you spins those same spins you see all the time.
This is a perfect example of slot that exploit itself how badly programmed some slots are... Its sad because I like it very much...It do pay sometimes good but it ruin the fun when its so obvious the reels and symbols are just a show for the lottery in the background. Ive not seen this on any other slot in my life, why they do this? Is it just lazy programming and making the slot go faster when when no hard mathematcial programming need obviusly? Its like only when you get those sets of spins that you dont reconize from before you feel the slot is alive and doin some work in the background. Normally you just play with a dead animal and pre-programmed outcome of spins...and there is ofcorase these loong periods with 10-25 spins in a row with zero payout... Its like the slot syncing the payout when those come...the nomber of dead spisn in a row depends of how much ahead you are in payout from a certain timestamp. And sometimes you dont see long periods of zero payouts in a row..maybe becayse the slot dont need to sync becose you are already below average payout.

While I talk Yggrasil.. another thing with Rainbow Ryan...when you hit free spins, often you dont win anything on first 6 free spins but then you will win a quite big win on the last spin when you hit 7 free spins. It is not random ofcoarse.. How could they program the slot so bad when people like you says slots are completly random and dont know anything about what you hit the spins before? Its not much that IS random with slots. Same with freespins...if you are dealt 10 free spins from the casino, the slot "feels" how many spins you have cause if you dont hit much on all first spins you will hit a feature or something bigger on that last spin. Its happen me almost everytime I get 5-15 free spisn from Rizk for ex. I never hit 100x bet on Pyramid: Q f I but now serveral tiems i na row Ive won 5 or 15 free spisn Ive hit atleast one really big win on those free spins. Do the slot according to you "feel" what the player have in account to play with, do the slot "check" the player account in some way when the player enter the slot?
Sorry for misspellings and bad grammar maybe..

As i've said many times, i can't comment on developers i haven't worked for or don't know people at - and Yggdrasil is one of those.
I've only played Valley of the Gods briefly, and whilst i like the mechanic, i wasn't overly keen on the way it played. Mainly because,, as you say, i thought i could tell what it was doing...

Does that means it's "rigged"? Well, by my definition, probably not, but by your definition it might be - in that it is changing the behaviour of the respins / free spins based on whats happened before... In some jurisdictions, this is allowed as it's all happening in one credit, not over multiple credits.

Rainbow Ryan - the rules do state that extra rainbow reels will be added as the feature progresses, so naturally the free games will get better towards the end...

And no, i can't imagine anyone (with the exception of social casinos) checking your balance to see what you have in it... that would be extremely illegal and damn stupid..

 

[Gonzo]

there is nothing fair about thiss discusting online slots... Lost 15k euro won 24k now lost 27800 in total not a cashout. Have triggered about 300-400 bonus 1 time has it payed 100x. My last session was now for about 5 min i was lowrolling... Played the fucking diskusting netent games. Gonzo... bonus on 4euros payd 5.35 then on 3 euro i got 4euro on 10frefalls”bonus” 6 euros bet 20 frefalls 64 euro win.. No fuck this shit only a money would say this is not rigged. Fuck netent and this with onlinecasino im fucking done with this shit..

 

[Gonzo]

I do play with my own money - regularly. Online and offline. In many countries too... please don't assume that i'm not a player, because i am.
I may not gamble as much as some people on here, but i gamble enough - and to be honest, i would never be able to design a game if i HADN'T played with my own money - because you need to understand the emotions, the psychology, the feelings of winning / losing...

U should talk about uneestandig emotion too the fucker on netent... when u deposit tousand of euro and trigger a bonus ho pay u 3euros back.

 

[aceking123]

There is one thing for sure as a seasoned member & been playing online for years , there clearly is no doubt in my findings that it clearly is not the casinos that hold all the info , but the servers do & yes they know every single penny you have played does not matter which casino it is , maybe food for thought here , rigged,compensated or anything else im sure their is some winners but this amounts to 5% of players , ive been recording 3months of data on MTsecure data & the average rtp% is around 64.98% this includes many thousands of deposits , no player is this unlucky doesnt matter what game is played either , this is now formatting that i know im going to have a monster session with any casino from MTsecure to balance the books of my play .
Think of it as you will , but something is fishy regarding online games.

 

[goatwack]

I think those that wise up to what's going on and see its compensated behaviours abandon gambling, whilst the others continue trying to figure it out.

We're told it's random etc to keep us playing, and so we carry on, in the belief that nothing is amiss. I don't think players need millions of spins to sample a game's patterns- several hundred are more than adequate. Then you'll get those doing 1000s of spins and still not getting any results. How can this be, so consistently?

I'm also more and more of the belief that it has little to do with the casinos themselves, but the software's servers. It is where we get the information from, so it's strange not to think some of it is heading the other way and being stored. IPs are feverishly observed by casinos, why should it matter as much as they claim.

Of course for every lost player there'll be two to replace them. And with what, 400,000 kids now gambling in the UK the future looks quite bright for these companies and their shady practices

 

[Tourettesguy]

How about this then. A player at a casino have a 96% average lifetime payout (or am I wrong already? lol) But most casino probably give a total of 50% in bonus chips such as match offers and free chips, free spins and more.
Let say a player deposit €100,000 in his lifetime...gets €50,000 in bonusmoney..thats around €150,000 and 96% payout the player should get around €130,000 back but have only invested €100,000 in total...

Is there a difference on bonusmoney played in the casino system, does it not count? Its so easy for a casino manager to create money just give the player a bonus...if the player lose the money appeard from nothing and just disapeard after that gamesession. How does this affect the over all casino payout?

 

[Tourettesguy]

As i've said many times, i can't comment on developers i haven't worked for or don't know people at - and Yggdrasil is one of those.
I've only played Valley of the Gods briefly, and whilst i like the mechanic, i wasn't overly keen on the way it played. Mainly because,, as you say, i thought i could tell what it was doing...

Does that means it's "rigged"? Well, by my definition, probably not, but by your definition it might be - in that it is changing the behaviour of the respins / free spins based on whats happened before... In some jurisdictions, this is allowed as it's all happening in one credit, not over multiple credits.

Rainbow Ryan - the rules do state that extra rainbow reels will be added as the feature progresses, so naturally the free games will get better towards the end...

And no, i can't imagine anyone (with the exception of social casinos) checking your balance to see what you have in it... that would be extremely illegal and damn stupid..

Ok ,I appreciate the anwer.. But we do see(atleast me) strange payout on for ex last spin before reaching zero balance and other stuff that prove the slot do know what the player balance is and compensating and more...many time you go down a bit and you hit a feature and you end up exactly at start balance...if cant be just random. And Ive seen sooo many extraodinary hits here on the forum and done it myself...on that last spins you hit that insane balnce saver... But like someone said here earlier its just those you remember and so on but its wrong.. Ofcorase huges hit occour in middle of sessions but when you have done 2000+ spins with no bigger win at all and you hit an amazing hit on last spin its not random...if you had been able to make 50 more spins before reaching zero you would NOT have gotten that mega hit on that spin... That is for sure.

Rainbiw Ryan...I hear you but if you get zero payouts on first 6 of 7 spins...you will always hit a mega win on last spin...and that slot do often just give 3 synced reels on last spin...but very often you have 3 reels earier and those rarely pay..the must stay on reel 1-3 or 2-4 to maybe pay...but on last spin when lost on all spinsn before it doesnt matter were those synced reels are, you will win a much bigger amount.. Try it, someone please show me a 0-100 coin win from free spins on RR. Something is preventing the feature to pay too low or nothing.

Im really hooked on Valley of Gods slot...but its sad its so unrandom,(not saying its unfair). Sometime you are lucky to reach 5-7 extra lives during bonus spins but you can lose the mall in a row ending feature sadly. It could need an upgrade giving more mixed combos and maybe more than max 3 of the same symbols on a single reel. Well, it is what it is now...

 

[chris87]

IPs are feverishly observed by casinos, why should it matter as much as they claim.

Very good point. I made a similar point some time ago in a similar debate.

All I know over the years of playing is that if you're lucky enough to hit a big win, forget withdrawing anything for some time, anywhere. I know it's said that it's psychological and there may be a bit of that, but the fact is that it "appears" there there is some compensation going on.

U should talk about uneestandig emotion too the fucker on netent... when u deposit tousand of euro and trigger a bonus ho pay u 3euros back.

I know you're a high roller. It's also clear to me from experience that if you hit a bonus on a high bet you'll be shafted. Gonzo is a case in point. I'm not such a high roller, but on £2.00 bets I get the free falls relatively regularly, sometimes 20 of them. On higher bets I've never hit 20 free falls. When I do hit the 10 on bets of £4.00 or above it regularly pays 5x or even less. The only time I hit 10 free falls on an £8.00 bet, 8 of them were dead spins and the outcome was 4x.

I'll say again that I don't believe slots are rigged as per the definition of the word, but the patterns that are reported are common to me and obviously other players. Even though my luck is certainly variable across casinos, I agree that it's down to the software servers.

Chris

 

[Gonzo]

I really dont know what to say or even why i touch this game. I have played it sens the reales i can swear that they changed the games. I wouldnt be angry or feel scamed if the bonus was eazy to trigger but its so hard to trigger and when u do! 7-8 of 10 is deadspins and it pays shit.I swear i have triggered the bonus atleast 400 times on this 27800euros ive lost sens my last cashout wich was on 24k. It feels so rigged and constantly nearmiss. I mean i love to gamle and i like to play but nowdays it dosent even feel like im gambling . I dont now why they are so greddy and i read about netent on forums players feels the same like me they see that they chabged the game. I dont wont to sound like a bitch crying.. Im just disopointed.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Look, it's very simple. Going back to where they first introduced 'player cards' and reward players with comps / food / hotel nights and all, there was a reason why player cards where introduced in the first place. Big data. It offers the casino floor realtime data and even bigger data on how players behave when playing slots. The online thing is no different. It offers even bigger and more broader gathering / harvesting of data in where everything can be done with without us even knowing whats happening with our 'playing data'. Everything is logged. Hence the "Lost connection" and "restoring last game session" for example. As i said before, the RTP might be set at 96% or advertised as it is, but as someone in here said already, that deviation is so low causing a loss anyway on every player. As i said before i tried 3 different online casino's with respectable name(s) but i encounter the very same at all of them.

I kept my word with closing my account. I really urge others to consider this even if they are looking at just this thread wondering of online slots are real, rigged, genuine or false. You are not alone. Above experiences are not made up and if someone lost 27k it's a pitty. I remember i got alot of emails straight before christmass and such where casino's urged to deposit and get a 50 up to 200% bonus fee. Consider this. The money you or others where supposed to spend on christmass is what they are trying to grab from u. Dont buy the advertisement or mailing lists in the first place. It's all to keep you playing and the longer you play the more worse the odds are going to be for you. A landbased casino will not call, email or send u a letter to come and play straight before christmass.

I went to the casino today, did just a few spins and bam 1400 euro. Had a free dinner as well and called it a day. THATS HOW YOU DO IT. You leave.

 

[interlog]

Look, it's very simple. Going back to where they first introduced 'player cards' and reward players with comps / food / hotel nights and all, there was a reason why player cards where introduced in the first place. Big data. It offers the casino floor realtime data and even bigger data on how players behave when playing slots. The online thing is no different. It offers even bigger and more broader gathering / harvesting of data in where everything can be done with without us even knowing whats happening with our 'playing data'. Everything is logged. Hence the "Lost connection" and "restoring last game session" for example. As i said before, the RTP might be set at 96% or advertised as it is, but as someone in here said already, that deviation is so low causing a loss anyway on every player. As i said before i tried 3 different online casino's with respectable name(s) but i encounter the very same at all of them.

I kept my word with closing my account. I really urge others to consider this even if they are looking at just this thread wondering of online slots are real, rigged, genuine or false. You are not alone. Above experiences are not made up and if someone lost 27k it's a pitty. I remember i got alot of emails straight before christmass and such where casino's urged to deposit and get a 50 up to 200% bonus fee. Consider this. The money you or others where supposed to spend on christmass is what they are trying to grab from u. Dont buy the advertisement or mailing lists in the first place. It's all to keep you playing and the longer you play the more worse the odds are going to be for you. A landbased casino will not call, email or send u a letter to come and play straight before christmass.

I went to the casino today, did just a few spins and bam 1400 euro. Had a free dinner as well and called it a day. THATS HOW YOU DO IT. You leave.

Even at a brick and mortar casino you are to set to lose long term. It is no different to playing online slots. If you believe different, you are disillusioned, only kidding yourself or you have been extremely lucky to walk away with a profit (this time!).

 

[Bloatgoat]

This time .... I come for over 3+ years in a landbased casino and 7 out of 10 times i get out with profit.

It's all about disipline. I've tried online slots for more then a year spreaded over 3 different names / brands / respectable companies being recommended everywhere. I tell you straight up my luck in a landbased casino is far better then online. And yes i have a large bankroll but what happens online is just BS.

I'll give you a free spin example. i.e 15 free spins on some sort of new game. You toss in autoplay, win ~8 up to 10 euro, and spend this into your favorite game again. It seems to continue 'wager' or whatever the fuck it's doing to 'peak' at like 15 euro, and then smash you to pieces no matter what you do. Online slots IS to my understanding scripted. Esp with the bonus.

Why are online casino's offering bonusses such as 'free money' in the first place? Why they dont have this on the landbased? You put in 50 and the thing magically rewards you with another 50 euro of playing money.

It's real simple. Their payout is that fucking shitty that there MUST BE a reason why they are throwing so many bonus awards and shit, to keep you playing. You are paying actually for some online and expensive entertainment, with just 5 up to 15% 'luck' that you might hit.

If a slot does'nt work on a landbased casino, i move on, find another one. Try my luck there. This cant be said for online. You have just 'one' virtual online slot of your favourite game and that's it. Online slots stink. Their graphics are ripoff. The gameplay is not even close to the real thing. The lines as well, are 'capped' from 40 to 20. Why in the world would they do that?

House advantage.

 

[SpinUk]

This time .... I come for over 3+ years in a landbased casino and 7 out of 10 times i get out with profit.

It's all about disipline. I've tried online slots for more then a year spreaded over 3 different names / brands / respectable companies being recommended everywhere. I tell you straight up my luck in a landbased casino is far better then online. And yes i have a large bankroll but what happens online is just BS.

I'll give you a free spin example. i.e 15 free spins on some sort of new game. You toss in autoplay, win ~8 up to 10 euro, and spend this into your favorite game again. It seems to continue 'wager' or whatever the fuck it's doing to 'peak' at like 15 euro, and then smash you to pieces no matter what you do. Online slots IS to my understanding scripted. Esp with the bonus.

Why are online casino's offering bonusses such as 'free money' in the first place? Why they dont have this on the landbased? You put in 50 and the thing magically rewards you with another 50 euro of playing money.

It's real simple. Their payout is that fucking shitty that there MUST BE a reason why they are throwing so many bonus awards and shit, to keep you playing. You are paying actually for some online and expensive entertainment, with just 5 up to 15% 'luck' that you might hit.

If a slot does'nt work on a landbased casino, i move on, find another one. Try my luck there. This cant be said for online. You have just 'one' virtual online slot of your favourite game and that's it. Online slots stink. Their graphics are ripoff. The gameplay is not even close to the real thing. The lines as well, are 'capped' from 40 to 20. Why in the world would they do that?

House advantage.

If they are fixed why do you get numerous posters saying after using tracking software they reach the advertised rtp within the first 100,000 for pretty much every game? Which is about right mathematically. Without being rude, Your post is just hearsay perhaps bolstered by a lucky night on the landbased casinos. That said, do I think slots do work within patterns (dead for hours and then very streaky), which studies have shown to be MORE addictive than a truly random outcome. I’d love to know how that’s implemented whilst keeping within the various jurisdictions legal rules, but either way its not proveable.

I think the “random” nature is more not knowing when the streak or dead spin cycle will end, than each spin being truly random and independent. They are two similar but quite differant things.

 

[Bloatgoat]

People would continue to play knowing it would happen at some point. Yes i can imagine that. I had a few occasions myself as well, in landbased to drop in over 4 grand and finanlly hit the JP with 8 grand profit. But still if there was a pattern to be found, yes i can clarify that.

- Lots of dead spins
- Lots of low wins to keep within the RTP
- Calculations based on BETS VS WINS, not your actual deposit ratio
- Lots of perceptions, a near hit, near full screen, one missing symbol etc
- 3 deposits and finally going back where you started

I have a friend who i am telling him the same. Stop playing online. The guy calculated to drop in over like 40k in the last 2 years. That is alot of money. And he never got any higher then a 10 grand. Everything from there was blocked, there was a noticable lag upon every spin, does'nt matter which game, and NO it was'nt the connection or anything in that order. His problem is disipline, he does'nt know when to stop. So he loses that 10 grand anyhow and actually believing the casino would compensate him for 35 grand at least at some point. I think that is very silly to believe.

But again; everyone for their own. I just feel like online play is not the real thing and it's defenitly not random, comes close to advertised RTP (such low deviation), the harsh reality it's not even close to 15%. If you want to try landbased casino's, goto officials only. Leave the gaming stations with various slots alone. The ones who do bookies in the UK. They are very simular to german spielhalle and they have a 60% RTP (some even 53% !!) At least from my experience is that 85% is even better then the online circus.

It bothers me that they are putting out emails with offers such as up to 250% bonus upon deposit right before christmass. I did'nt buy it, ofcourse, but i know there are people who can be vulnerable for such offers. And those online casino's know right when to strike for those who are weaker. My casino never writes, emails or calls me up and tells me, hey come by tonight, we'll give you 250% extra upon your deposit on a slot. Lol. Where do they get the 250% from you think? It's all math as you said. They know the actual RTP is that bad and they can stuff you up with 250% of deposit money.

Merry christmass people.

 

[interlog]

People would continue to play knowing it would happen at some point. Yes i can imagine that. I had a few occasions myself as well, in landbased to drop in over 4 grand and finanlly hit the JP with 8 grand profit. But still if there was a pattern to be found, yes i can clarify that.

- Lots of dead spins
- Lots of low wins to keep within the RTP
- Calculations based on BETS VS WINS, not your actual deposit ratio
- Lots of perceptions, a near hit, near full screen, one missing symbol etc
- 3 deposits and finally going back where you started

I have a friend who i am telling him the same. Stop playing online. The guy calculated to drop in over like 40k in the last 2 years. That is alot of money. And he never got any higher then a 10 grand. Everything from there was blocked, there was a noticable lag upon every spin, does'nt matter which game, and NO it was'nt the connection or anything in that order. His problem is disipline, he does'nt know when to stop. So he loses that 10 grand anyhow and actually believing the casino would compensate him for 35 grand at least at some point. I think that is very silly to believe.

But again; everyone for their own. I just feel like online play is not the real thing and it's defenitly not random, comes close to advertised RTP (such low deviation), the harsh reality it's not even close to 15%. If you want to try landbased casino's, goto officials only. Leave the gaming stations with various slots alone. The ones who do bookies in the UK. They are very simular to german spielhalle and they have a 60% RTP (some even 53% !!) At least from my experience is that 85% is even better then the online circus.

It bothers me that they are putting out emails with offers such as up to 250% bonus upon deposit right before christmass. I did'nt buy it, ofcourse, but i know there are people who can be vulnerable for such offers. And those online casino's know right when to strike for those who are weaker. My casino never writes, emails or calls me up and tells me, hey come by tonight, we'll give you 250% extra upon your deposit on a slot. Lol. Where do they get the 250% from you think? It's all math as you said. They know the actual RTP is that bad and they can stuff you up with 250% of deposit money.

Merry christmass people.

Casinos can give those bonuses because of the wagering requirement not because of the RTP which is higher than at a brick and mortar casino.

I gave up playing at the brick and mortar casinos because the money didn't last as long compared to online.

 

[Gaz237]

This thread is complete bonkers.

Has given me quite a laugh reading through the last few pages.

 

[goatwack]

I always convince myself that slots are rigged, right up to the point where I win. I hate how it blows my theory out of the water. It's like they're trying to prove me wrong

 

[trancemonkey]

This thread is complete bonkers.

Has given me quite a laugh reading through the last few pages.

It's quite interesting watching the same people say the same things over and over again ...

The same people that refuse to believe anything other than their own theories and opinions.

I'm not going to even try and convince anyone in this thread any more of the actual facts.

The best thing they could do is program their own "slot machine" so they know it's 100% random and then play it... And then when they start to see the same "patterns" they see in the machines they believe are also rigged they may have an epiphany.

But as I'll repeat.. if you think they are rigged, go to the authorities. Or papers. Or stop playing. Or a combination of any of those options.

 

[trancemonkey]

People would continue to play knowing it would happen at some point. Yes i can imagine that. I had a few occasions myself as well, in landbased to drop in over 4 grand and finanlly hit the JP with 8 grand profit. But still if there was a pattern to be found, yes i can clarify that.

- Lots of dead spins
- Lots of low wins to keep within the RTP
- Calculations based on BETS VS WINS, not your actual deposit ratio
- Lots of perceptions, a near hit, near full screen, one missing symbol etc
- 3 deposits and finally going back where you started

I have a friend who i am telling him the same. Stop playing online. The guy calculated to drop in over like 40k in the last 2 years. That is alot of money. And he never got any higher then a 10 grand. Everything from there was blocked, there was a noticable lag upon every spin, does'nt matter which game, and NO it was'nt the connection or anything in that order. His problem is disipline, he does'nt know when to stop. So he loses that 10 grand anyhow and actually believing the casino would compensate him for 35 grand at least at some point. I think that is very silly to believe.

But again; everyone for their own. I just feel like online play is not the real thing and it's defenitly not random, comes close to advertised RTP (such low deviation), the harsh reality it's not even close to 15%. If you want to try landbased casino's, goto officials only. Leave the gaming stations with various slots alone. The ones who do bookies in the UK. They are very simular to german spielhalle and they have a 60% RTP (some even 53% !!) At least from my experience is that 85% is even better then the online circus.

It bothers me that they are putting out emails with offers such as up to 250% bonus upon deposit right before christmass. I did'nt buy it, ofcourse, but i know there are people who can be vulnerable for such offers. And those online casino's know right when to strike for those who are weaker. My casino never writes, emails or calls me up and tells me, hey come by tonight, we'll give you 250% extra upon your deposit on a slot. Lol. Where do they get the 250% from you think? It's all math as you said. They know the actual RTP is that bad and they can stuff you up with 250% of deposit money.

Merry christmass people.

All games in the UK both online and land-based have to display the RTP. There are no games in the UK anywhere as low as you say there are.

You are entitled to your opinion but on this (and many other points you make here) you are wrong.

 

[Bloatgoat]

You can have all the online slots you want. Go ahead. Please, do so I dare to believe different. I dont think in maths, numbers and all. I follow my guts. And i simply know when something is solid or not. Online slots stink.

And if that is'nt sufficient, then online casino's do:

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Someone dropped in 100 pounds, made a win and withdrawl of over 2 grand. Here comes unibet saying nah documents not valid, account closed, money gone.

 

[trancemonkey]

You can have all the online slots you want. Go ahead. Please, do so I dare to believe different. I dont think in maths, numbers and all. I follow my guts. And i simply know when something is solid or not. Online slots stink.

And if that is'nt sufficient, then online casino's do:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Someone dropped in 100 pounds, made a win and withdrawl of over 2 grand. Here comes unibet saying nah documents not valid, account closed, money gone.

So to paraphrase...

"I don't believe in statistics or facts, i know the truth because I can feel it..."

That is not really gonna hold up to scrutiny is it

 

[interlog]

So to paraphrase...

"I don't believe in statistics or facts, i know the truth because I can feel it..."

That is not really gonna hold up to scrutiny is it

There is no point arguing with somebody that claims he can stop the reels for a big win at a brick and mortar casino by touching the screen at the right moment.

 

[trancemonkey]

There is no point arguing with somebody that claims he can stop the reels for a big win at a brick and mortar casino by touching the screen at the right moment.

And the best thing about it is that we put this feature in for two types of people - speed players (those who just want a bonus) and the “skill-stoppers” (those who think they have an element of control on the reels).

Nice to know that people still fall for that psychological trick

I wonder how he explains how the machines work in countries with minimum game times where slam stop (as we call it) is not allowed....

Anyway he’s our ideal player so I don’t care what he thinks as long as he’s playing games somewhere

 

[Bloatgoat]

Sorry,

I dont think you ever came close to designing a game that actually KNOWS how to keep me bothered.

 

[Gonzo]

hope all at the office at netent dies i really mean it... now i find a new way to not gamble netent slots anymore. i just log in the fb and have a look at their discustings faces... that makes me dont touch their multirigged slots.