Slots Fairness Discussion (Cut from Other Thread)

[Bloatgoat]

U live in the uk bloat? Wanna go for a few beers?
Id like in on this gaurunteed profit within 20 mins on landbased casinos. Inbetween we can go round pubs and you can rinse the random games that you can tell are going while i get zee beerz in!


Edit. Just read your latest response. Holland huh? Nevermind the drinks, lets go and get blazed!

Sorry, I am in Holland. Not UK. As for alcohol and gambling, this is a really bad combination. I do drink beers but not while i'm playing. There is a reason to.

What an utter load of rubbish with respect. A slot doesn't tell you anything. It doesn't give hints or clues. If it does it is truly broke.

Ofcourse. I am one of the few who has a VIP, won a brand new car, won a travelling cheque worth of 7500 euro which i can spend in one year as i desire.

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And that. You see, with online slots it's actually pretty much decided in the first place.



On landbased, i feel there's another hidden game within the game itself. It's called slam that button at the right moment.

Watch from remaining spin 4, you'll see what i mean. If i'd let the game continue without pressing in anything i am pretty sure the bonus had a lower outcome. That's an advantage for a player if your really really good and know when it's coming. I cant express this any more clear for you. In Online it's different. When i think i should press that button, there's a delay in the moment i press, and all the rows seem to fall in a complete different order (or just a near miss order). I miss that type of action landbased has to offer compared to online.

Online play is capped. Trust me. How much more samples do you need from a player like me?

I defenitly avoid a serious shitload of slots stationed into any casino in general. The day i started going to a casino, i kept hitting a wall and got angry why popping in 250 woud'nt gain me much profit. Then i realised (thanks to youtube) that i was playing the wrong game(s). After i figured out things over course of time, i slowly became a high limit player, and i was THE guy who was cramming jackpots all over the place. It did'nt really take long for the manager to discover me and offered me a VIP status. At first i asked him, how is it able you where looking for me and not the other 10000 of guests. He said your always playing with playerscard and we can track the amount of points you are saving. He stated they coud'nt track the wins/loss or the money i was putting in, he said they where'nt allowed for that. But i'm sure the technology is there to actually do.

So before i knew i was VIP, and i have some benefits on top of other players. I'll give you a few examples.

- I call the guy up at night, and tell him i want a reservation in any location i prefer to have dinner. Done.
- Every casino i am going into, the moment i identify myself, there's a host waiting for me, saying hello n stuff.
- All that i want that's on the menu table, food, alcohol, complete stake, free.
- Parking is free, every location in holland basicly, really saves esp in Amsterdam (day parking can be 50 euro)
- They organize special events. Theater, some concert or anything i would like, on costs of the casino.

I'm not really biting to all the offers they make. Sometimes i have a dinner, sometimes i drink just one beer after a few wins, and then i leave. I know from my own job that you shoud'nt be that much involved in casino activities as your world really starts working around that of a casino and not the things you where used todo. Being a big gambler is fun, trust me, but there's some other downsides lurking around the corner every day.

I've came a long way, actually i never touched one gambling device in my life, since i saw people financially go down. Untill a relative passed away, i never had any urge to visit the casino untill then. It gave distraction. It's sometimes in life very hard to cope with someone you lose. So the casino seems like an (expensive) outcome. As i went along, i realised i need to do this with great discipline. And before i knew i became very good at what i do.

 

[Steviedoo]

On landbased, i feel there's another hidden game within the game itself. It's called slam that button at the right moment.

Watch from remaining spin 4, you'll see what i mean. If i'd let the game continue without pressing in anything i am pretty sure the bonus had a lower outcome. That's an advantage for a player if your really really good and know when it's coming. I cant express this any more clear for you. In Online it's different. When i think i should press that button, there's a delay in the moment i press, and all the rows seem to fall in a complete different order (or just a near miss order). I miss that type of action landbased has to offer compared to online.

so you think that when you touched the screen when the olympus god and wilds came on...you were the one who controlled the outcome?

no seriously.

 

[goatwack]

What I'm getting from this is that land-based slots are easy to manipulate via timed button-presses and pro skillz, but online doesn't adhere to these tricks and techniques and thus must be rigged.

To be fair, most of us have tried everything with certain games, and the results always vary. Surely the greatest indicator that they're (fairly) random!

 

[Jd666]

What I'm getting from this is that land-based slots are easy to manipulate via timed button-presses and pro skillz, but online doesn't adhere to these tricks and techniques and thus must be rigged.

To be fair, most of us have tried everything with certain games, and the results always vary. Surely the greatest indicator that they're (fairly) random!

Its so true, just ask all the grannies who bash the buttons and rub the balloons on the Partytimes.
They go up everytine..... honest

 

[Bloatgoat]

so you think that when you touched the screen when the olympus god and wilds came on...you were the one who controlled the outcome?

no seriously.

Actually, the 'touching' was something that worked in the past. You could 'stop' a rheel / symbol at the right time when it was about to come. I had a habbit of still touching it anyway. But you "miss" my point completely. I press the button at the right time and it comes down with a win. Pleas stay ontopic. Geez.

 

[gilliebean]

Bashing a screen or a button mid spin, is about as futile as me shouting 'COME ON YOU B@STARD' when waiting for the D to drop in Bonanza.

But as it's worked on occasion - I thought maybe I would share my 'method' with you all...knock yourselves out!!

 

[Steviedoo]

Actually, the 'touching' was something that worked in the past. You could 'stop' a rheel / symbol at the right time when it was about to come. I had a habbit of still touching it anyway. But you "miss" my point completely. I press the button at the right time and it comes down with a win. Pleas stay ontopic. Geez.

Yes. Stay on topic. Of course. But...

But when is the right time. How do you know. Cuz I'm pretty sure this is not why you won. You won cuz you got lucky when you pressed spin. That's it.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Follow your guts....



Watch from remaining spin 7, i do it again.

This is something i just cant 'hack' online. Thats why i dislike all the copy'd flash games with a different algorithm. Some games really operate very intuitively.

 

[trancemonkey]

Follow your guts...

Watch from remaining spin 7, i do it again.

This is something i just cant 'hack' online. Thats why i dislike all the copy'd flash games with a different algorithm. Some games really operate very intuitively.

And this video proves what exactly?

If you think slam stopping has any effect on the outcome in any game then you’re my ideal target player... I’m gonna design stuff in to my Games just to get your money

 

[Bloatgoat]

And this video proves what exactly?

If you think slam stopping has any effect on the outcome in any game then you’re my ideal target player... I’m gonna design stuff in to my Games just to get your money

If you want to design a sticking game, make sure it's got some action, thrills and somehow be an adverture every time you play it. This game packs it all for me. There is no chance in the world you could redesign this in a flashed based package and keep my attention.

The quality of flash games will never be as much as close to a real slot. I'm playing it because i like it. It's the same reason why i drive fast cars (Audi RS6's). I need that 'thrill'.

If you have any other answer to the 2 video's i showed you, i slammed the button on the right time causing a hit. The rheels dont lie, dont overdraw something else suddenly, it gives me exactly what i wanted.

Unlike online, when you stop it suddenly, it seems to communicate first with homebase, and with some latency drop something completely different. They offer the functionality, but they strip it from being exploited. That is how fair your online play is.

 

[funnymunny]

If you want to design a sticking game, make sure it's got some action, thrills and somehow be an adverture every time you play it. This game packs it all for me. There is no chance in the world you could redesign this in a flashed based package and keep my attention.

The quality of flash games will never be as much as close to a real slot. I'm playing it because i like it. It's the same reason why i drive fast cars (Audi RS6's). I need that 'thrill'.

If you have any other answer to the 2 video's i showed you, i slammed the button on the right time causing a hit. The rheels dont lie, dont overdraw something else suddenly, it gives me exactly what i wanted.

Unlike online, when you stop it suddenly, it seems to communicate first with homebase, and with some latency drop something completely different. They offer the functionality, but they strip it from being exploited. That is how fair your online play is.

 

[interlog]

Sorry, I am in Holland. Not UK. As for alcohol and gambling, this is a really bad combination. I do drink beers but not while i'm playing. There is a reason to.



Ofcourse. I am one of the few who has a VIP, won a brand new car, won a travelling cheque worth of 7500 euro which i can spend in one year as i desire.

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And that. You see, with online slots it's actually pretty much decided in the first place.



On landbased, i feel there's another hidden game within the game itself. It's called slam that button at the right moment.

Watch from remaining spin 4, you'll see what i mean. If i'd let the game continue without pressing in anything i am pretty sure the bonus had a lower outcome. That's an advantage for a player if your really really good and know when it's coming. I cant express this any more clear for you. In Online it's different. When i think i should press that button, there's a delay in the moment i press, and all the rows seem to fall in a complete different order (or just a near miss order). I miss that type of action landbased has to offer compared to online.

Online play is capped. Trust me. How much more samples do you need from a player like me?

I defenitly avoid a serious shitload of slots stationed into any casino in general. The day i started going to a casino, i kept hitting a wall and got angry why popping in 250 woud'nt gain me much profit. Then i realised (thanks to youtube) that i was playing the wrong game(s). After i figured out things over course of time, i slowly became a high limit player, and i was THE guy who was cramming jackpots all over the place. It did'nt really take long for the manager to discover me and offered me a VIP status. At first i asked him, how is it able you where looking for me and not the other 10000 of guests. He said your always playing with playerscard and we can track the amount of points you are saving. He stated they coud'nt track the wins/loss or the money i was putting in, he said they where'nt allowed for that. But i'm sure the technology is there to actually do.

So before i knew i was VIP, and i have some benefits on top of other players. I'll give you a few examples.

- I call the guy up at night, and tell him i want a reservation in any location i prefer to have dinner. Done.
- Every casino i am going into, the moment i identify myself, there's a host waiting for me, saying hello n stuff.
- All that i want that's on the menu table, food, alcohol, complete stake, free.
- Parking is free, every location in holland basicly, really saves esp in Amsterdam (day parking can be 50 euro)
- They organize special events. Theater, some concert or anything i would like, on costs of the casino.

I'm not really biting to all the offers they make. Sometimes i have a dinner, sometimes i drink just one beer after a few wins, and then i leave. I know from my own job that you shoud'nt be that much involved in casino activities as your world really starts working around that of a casino and not the things you where used todo. Being a big gambler is fun, trust me, but there's some other downsides lurking around the corner every day.

I've came a long way, actually i never touched one gambling device in my life, since i saw people financially go down. Untill a relative passed away, i never had any urge to visit the casino untill then. It gave distraction. It's sometimes in life very hard to cope with someone you lose. So the casino seems like an (expensive) outcome. As i went along, i realised i need to do this with great discipline. And before i knew i became very good at what i do.

That was a very misleading Youtube video title (click bait anybody). It wasn't a jackpot. The jackpot is a full screen of Kronos that I triggered myself a number of times - online of all places ironically

 

[Bloatgoat]

Ok. I'm out. Screw you internet hippies.

 

[goatwack]

There's nothing quite like civilized internet discourse, is there

 

[interlog]

Ok. I'm out. Screw you internet hippies.

Why screw us? What else did you expect. It is you claiming to be able to trigger wins on slots that are designed not to be able to do that. The minute you triggered those free spins on Kronos the win amount was already determined.

And of course casinos wil look after you once you start spending money. I got the same treatment when I went to Vegas many blue moons ago. They want you to continue to spend because at the end of the day you are going to lose. Even you, despite you claiming different.

 

[electronictonic]

They were absolutely fucking BRUTAL for me tonight...100% match at Sportingbet £200 starting balance
devoured the balance @ £2 a spin in less than 10 minutes..no bonuses biggest win was x3 haha get fucked, RTP felt like 25%.
never got above starting balance

Now breakoutcasino 2 bonuses x21 and x31 £150 starting balance lasted around 15 mins never got above starting balance.

Slotsmillion £150 starting balance, biggest win x25 no bonuses, never got above starting balance and went in 15 mins and that
is me done for a while, gave back 6k in a month, after all those big wins they have gone back to their sheer fucking brutality! .

 

[Bloatgoat]

It takes discipline to tee off at the right moment, in any casino. Wether that's online or landbased, just leave when your ahead. It's what i do for a very long time now and with great succes. I've cancelled my account since today on online, and explained why. I proberly get a standard respons in return, but trust me as i say, that online slots are completely different then landbased casino.

I'm sure things are very genuine, so genuine they found a reason to legally take you up the ass. The advertised RTP or TRTP is a joke. You may disagree, but i know better. I've bin in land based casino's for 4 years now. And i've never had so much bad luck online as on landbased. As some people stated already in this thread, it's too obvious. I really hope people learn from some postings in here and take the advise, to leave online slots for what they are. You'll thank me and others later.

As i said i cancelled my account. They can take the money and stick it up their greedy ass. I'm done with online play, the crap flash based games, the shitty returns and their tactics to keep you playing.

 

[Tourettesguy]

We dont have landbased casinos in Sweden..only one which the goverment runs to get money to all so called refugees here.

 

[gambyx7]

The famous MG fairness...on low-med slot...

- 0.50 bet
- NO FREE SPINS in over 300 spins...
- biggest win was 16x, second best 6x...
- estimated rtp 40% (from 65 balance to zero)

MG - what should I say?

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[Bloatgoat]

We dont have landbased casinos in Sweden..only one which the goverment runs to get money to all so called refugees here.

Well in Holland, landbased is also owned by the state. But that does'nt mean the RTP's and all are fare lower. I'd suggest you goto such land based casino's and learn the games you play. As for refugees, it's european suicide as i exactly know what you mean. But this refugee thing is'nt coincidence. It's a well planned circus the EU has decided for every country in europe. It will change europe with irreversible ways.

I really hope tide turns around at some point, in a sense that people from various country's sack their goverment and take their country's back. Other then that i feel europe is very lost. This model or system cannot be held forever with everyone on benefits.

The famous MG fairness...on low-med slot...

- 0.50 bet
- NO FREE SPINS in over 300 spins...
- biggest win was 16x, second best 6x...
- estimated rtp 40% (from 65 balance to zero)

MG - what should I say?

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Quit playing online. This is the exact thing why i quit in general, and advise others to do the same thing as well.

 

[Tourettesguy]

Well in Holland, landbased is also owned by the state. But that does'nt mean the RTP's and all are fare lower. I'd suggest you goto such land based casino's and learn the games you play. As for refugees, it's european suicide as i exactly know what you mean. But this refugee thing is'nt coincidence. It's a well planned circus the EU has decided for every country in europe. It will change europe with irreversible ways.

I really hope tide turns around at some point, in a sense that people from various country's sack their goverment and take their country's back. Other then that i feel europe is very lost. This model or system cannot be held forever with everyone on benefits.

But the Swedish goverment casino give 50% payout..or is it 49%.. and how bad will that be irl when we complain about "96%" here so no thanks!
And yes I know..Sweden is pretty much lost already and with this METOO campains the lefties are sacrifiying themselfs to cover up the real sex crimes made by these adult "men" coming here in thousands every month.. Merkel started this which now is unstoppable..dont understand how she can live with herself now, Id kill myself.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Then you need to stop playing slots, and aim for card based games. Or goto germany, and seek a proper casino over there. Not spielhalle, not tankstelle, but a proper casino. There are lots of them. And you could simply book a weekend or a day or 2 if the distance is too great. They dont have the classical slots they generally have from the USA (WMS, IGT and so on) but there's lots of choice in Germany so i've seen.

As for merkel; when she's 'gone' the damage is already done and irreversible. This is politics in 2017. They do their work now and by the time things are out of control, those are already far gone. In politics only their carreer is what counts, no longer the voice of the people. I realy hope mild right wing party's come up in europe fast, otherwise the future for europe is very very dark. It will escalate because people no longer would take the shit they have to deal with every day.

We see the very same things happening in Holland. And it woud'nt take any much longer anymore for escalation. France is a good example of how such a once beautiful country is being wrecked by the cause of immigration. And politics are not doing what is supposed todo, such as closing borders, but stamping on "more and more" of the same, as a mixed future of people. Obediant people.

It's very simple. They are following a plan dictated from EU in Brussel. Those who say things should be done different are being sacked or demonized. The only thing they care of is their fat salary every month. Crimes are somehow being penalised very very low for some obvious reason. We are at the stake of people taking measures into their own hands by now. Stay safe.

 

[Tourettesguy]

Ok trancemonkey, Ive analysed this "Valley of Gods" slot from Yggrasil... Have you ever played it? If you wanna se slots that is not random you can look at that slot. So many pattersn you recognize hwne playign it that is not random.
If you won o na spin, you mostly you get same symbols on reels 1,2 and 3 on tha first stop before opening up more positions. For ex those red bird symbols. You never see the green cat symbols on that first level...and on the second level if you win o nthe first you very often gets those green cat symbols on reel 1, 2 and 4....and not other wins so you lose. Same with oraange snake symbol...you get it quite often along with green cats when all positions is cleared but there is levels certain symbols can not stop in winnign positions. Really rigged it is in many way... And with that second highest symbols, a green bigger cat...it often stops in forst level on reel 1,2 and 3 in different combos...but almpost never that same paying gold godess or what its called. And playing this slot logn enough youll know if you will reach next lever or not before tha bonus spins starts.. its like the slot have only a few variations of symbols availibe to show...and you get almost same spins over and over...you recognise the spins even though htere are millions teoretical combos. And the slot act the same for a long time..same spins over and over....also the reels are locked to each other that reel after the other cant stop in certain position depending of hos the last reel stopped...for ex you will never get several reels in a row with 3 of the same symbols close together on a stack and the next 2, 3 or more reels look the same...there are always a reel of 1 or 2 same symbols between those reels with stacks of 3...but...there is a but, it CAN happen and the slot CAN give spins you have never seen before in very short periods...eventhough its not theoreticaly hard to get or high paying... My conclusion is that the slot is only "random" and very short peruiods...inbetween 98% of the time you spins those same spins you see all the time.
This is a perfect example of slot that exploit itself how badly programmed some slots are... Its sad because I like it very much...It do pay sometimes good but it ruin the fun when its so obvious the reels and symbols are just a show for the lottery in the background. Ive not seen this on any other slot in my life, why they do this? Is it just lazy programming and making the slot go faster when when no hard mathematcial programming need obviusly? Its like only when you get those sets of spins that you dont reconize from before you feel the slot is alive and doin some work in the background. Normally you just play with a dead animal and pre-programmed outcome of spins...and there is ofcorase these loong periods with 10-25 spins in a row with zero payout... Its like the slot syncing the payout when those come...the nomber of dead spisn in a row depends of how much ahead you are in payout from a certain timestamp. And sometimes you dont see long periods of zero payouts in a row..maybe becayse the slot dont need to sync becose you are already below average payout.

While I talk Yggrasil.. another thing with Rainbow Ryan...when you hit free spins, often you dont win anything on first 6 free spins but then you will win a quite big win on the last spin when you hit 7 free spins. It is not random ofcoarse.. How could they program the slot so bad when people like you says slots are completly random and dont know anything about what you hit the spins before? Its not much that IS random with slots. Same with freespins...if you are dealt 10 free spins from the casino, the slot "feels" how many spins you have cause if you dont hit much on all first spins you will hit a feature or something bigger on that last spin. Its happen me almost everytime I get 5-15 free spisn from Rizk for ex. I never hit 100x bet on Pyramid: Q f I but now serveral tiems i na row Ive won 5 or 15 free spisn Ive hit atleast one really big win on those free spins. Do the slot according to you "feel" what the player have in account to play with, do the slot "check" the player account in some way when the player enter the slot?
Sorry for misspellings and bad grammar maybe..

 

[Bloatgoat]

Trancemonkey should be playing with his own money for example rather being on the devside for once.

 

[trancemonkey]

Trancemonkey should be playing with his own money for example rather being on the devside for once.

I do play with my own money - regularly. Online and offline. In many countries too... please don't assume that i'm not a player, because i am.
I may not gamble as much as some people on here, but i gamble enough - and to be honest, i would never be able to design a game if i HADN'T played with my own money - because you need to understand the emotions, the psychology, the feelings of winning / losing...