Silver Oak Casino

[footdr]

Wonderful!

It's great that they didn't screw YOU over.

I assume you'll be requesting that Bryan adds them to accredited list now?

Why would you assume that? Read my post in reply to church

 

[footdr]

That they owed me $60,000 and I got $20 per day for 3000 days [/QUOTE
Seriously? Why did they pay me my entire withdrawal of $950.00? Something doesn't seem right? Plus I would be happy to be paid $60k no matter how long it took and I wouldn't have stood for being paid $20.00/ day or $140.00 per week when that is not in their terms and conditions.

 

[Nifty29]

Why would you assume that? Read my post in reply to church

So what if it was from a free bonus? You're giving them positive publicity, and it still suggests that you don't give stuff about what they've done to others.

I'll say what others think but won't say.....its selfish. Pure and simple. You don't care where you play and how many players they've stiffed, just as long as you make some money. In my book its the same as affiliates that promote rogues. If I were a newb reading your posts I would think "well if they paid her from a nd bonus then they'll surely pay a depositor". Famous last words of the next poor sucker who hits a RJ and doesnt get paid, perhaps after reading how they "looked after" you.

It isn't the first time you've played at dodgy casinos and posted how great they are because they paid you. As chuchu said, someone of your experience should know better. Senior members like us (IMO) have a responsibility to help steer newbs away from the sharks.....not throw berley in the water like yourself.

That they owed me $60,000 and I got $20 per day for 3000 days [/QUOTE

Seriously? Why did they pay me my entire withdrawal of $950.00? Something doesn't seem right? Plus I would be happy to be paid $60k no matter how long it took and I wouldn't have stood for being paid $20.00/ day or $140.00 per week when that is not in their terms and conditions.

As you told me....read the post.

It starts with "I only wish.....".

 

[chuchu59]

I didn't applaud them. Secondly, I played with a free bonus. Thirdly, yes they did pay me.

And Finally, I wouldn't call $950.00 measly.

Oh, plus, I was only commenting on my experience. when I am broke, it doesn't hurt to play a free bonus

Just replace Silver Oak with 'Virtual' and you will get what I mean. You promised to provide an update and I wouldnt rule out the possibility that they paid you knowing fully well you will post this fact. Anniemac was paid after a tussle with them but she warns people to ponder carefully before playing after what she has gone through. We are regarded as experienced members here and we have a duty to 'protect' those who know little about the industry. Of course we are human and will care whether we do get paid ourselves but we are not doing a disservice to the rogues if we dont mention that we got paid finally. Frankly, I think they know your character fully well and pay you the $950 to get some undeserved publicity. What's better than having a Meister Member announcing they got paid by a rogue without reservations.

 

[ksech]

Just to add my two cents...

footdr isn't the only member here who has posted she has played at a "rogue" casino and won. If you take into account the members who continue to play at some of the other "roguish" casinos outside of the RTG software group and post about their winning experiences, and these are purported "seasoned/experienced" members too. The only thing we can do is to continue to warn newbies they are taking a HUGE chance to play at these places. They won't be able to PAB, they MAY wait months, even YEARs to gain winnings, and it is unacceptable to promote rogue casinos in any way/shape or form.

If you are going to condemn footdr, you have to condemn all the rest of the members who post about playing at "roguish" casinos too. I don't necessarily agree with her choices, but it's her choice in the end/ her money. I agree with chuchu and Nifty, these are bad places. But as long as there are new gamblers, they will exist.

 

[footdr]

Just to add my two cents...

footdr isn't the only member here who has posted she has played at a "rogue" casino and won. If you take into account the members who continue to play at some of the other "roguish" casinos outside of the RTG software group and post about their winning experiences, and these are purported "seasoned/experienced" members too. The only thing we can do is to continue to warn newbies they are taking a HUGE chance to play at these places. They won't be able to PAB, they MAY wait months, even YEARs to gain winnings, and it is unacceptable to promote rogue casinos in any way/shape or form.

If you are going to condemn footdr, you have to condemn all the rest of the members who post about playing at "roguish" casinos too. I don't necessarily agree with her choices, but it's her choice in the end/ her money. I agree with chuchu and Nifty, these are bad places. But as long as there are new gamblers, they will exist.

Good points and there is no need for a newbie to try rougued casinos as their are better casinos for them to start with. Since I play for income, I take advantage of the few free bonuses offered me. Sometimes I find that I don't experience the same type of problems others may have. Also, I did advise chat support that I was leary of playing their casino as they have very bad player reviews and that if I am not paid as promised if I win, I will be posting my negative experience in the forums to which I belong. (perhaps they don't care, but just maybe the word gets back to their management). Also, while a casino my be rouged here, they often are not at on other forum sites to which I subscribe.

 

[Nifty29]

Good points and there is no need for a newbie to try rougued casinos as their are better casinos for them to start with. Since I play for income, I take advantage of the few free bonuses offered me. Sometimes I find that I don't experience the same type of problems others may have. Also, I did advise chat support that I was leary of playing their casino as they have very bad player reviews and that if I am not paid as promised if I win, I will be posting my negative experience in the forums to which I belong. (perhaps they don't care, but just maybe the word gets back to their management). Also, while a casino my be rouged here, they often are not at on other forum sites to which I subscribe.

Well at least you don't deny that you don't give a hoot what happens to others.

You threatened to give them negative publicity in the forums if they didnt pay you, which is frowned upon here, but since slots is your "job" then I guess the threats were just par for the course.

The excuse of the casino not being ROGUED at some other forum is laughable. Im sure there are some other bonus hunter forums who don't care who they promote, but CMs integrity is beyond reproach.....and one of the main reasons for that he CARES about players getting ripped off and doesn't use the "they didn't do it to me" excuse.

I'm almost certain you were paid because they know you're a member here and you used that as a form of blackmail, and figured they would use you to get some positive PR. I'm also sure that you'll be on their Christmas card list.

 

[funeral979]

Let me start by saying that I in no way encourage anyone to play at a rogue or even non accredited casino.

However, I believe that at the end of the day, all casinos should get a fair and balanced assessment.

footdr certaintly isn't promoting them, just giving a positive experience.

I will go out on a limb and say that 95%+ of all the complaints dealing with rogue casinos have to deal with players not reading the T&Cs correctly. I mean lets face it....they are confusing and perhaps predatory....but they are there to read. And I am pretty sure the lengthy payout times are written there as well. The back to back freebies probably catches a hell of alot of players...and they don't get paid...and then they cry rogue. But they are in the terms. Again, I am not endorsing how they run their business, just pointing some things out...

Look at it this way....even the cream of the crop accredited casinos here (32Red, 3Dice, etc) get a legit complaint every now and then. Should we not allow any negative posts about them just to protect these accredited casinos? Of course not. So it works both ways. Just as a player has every right to post a LEGIT complaint about an accredited casino......so they should also have the right to post a LEGIT positive experience about a non accredited/rogue casino.

Nifty, I know you are a big advocate of people taking responsibility for their own actions. So do you not agree that a player should be able to see the 97% complaints/3% positive posts about Casino XXX and be able to make an educated decision? Just doing a little bit of homework, and the newbie should not have any issue about being swayed by a few people posting their good experienecs at these joints.

However, I am sure some will find flaws in my logic

 

[Nifty29]

Let me start by saying that I in no way encourage anyone to play at a rogue or even non accredited casino.

However, I believe that at the end of the day, all casinos should get a fair and balanced assessment.

footdr certaintly isn't promoting them, just giving a positive experience.

I will go out on a limb and say that 95%+ of all the complaints dealing with rogue casinos have to deal with players not reading the T&Cs correctly. I mean lets face it....they are confusing and perhaps predatory....but they are there to read. And I am pretty sure the lengthy payout times are written there as well. The back to back freebies probably catches a hell of alot of players...and they don't get paid...and then they cry rogue. But they are in the terms. Again, I am not endorsing how they run their business, just pointing some things out...

Look at it this way....even the cream of the crop accredited casinos here (32Red, 3Dice, etc) get a legit complaint every now and then. Should we not allow any negative posts about them just to protect these accredited casinos? Of course not. So it works both ways. Just as a player has every right to post a LEGIT complaint about an accredited casino......so they should also have the right to post a LEGIT positive experience about a non accredited/rogue casino.

Nifty, I know you are a big advocate of people taking responsibility for their own actions. So do you not agree that a player should be able to see the 97% complaints/3% positive posts about Casino XXX and be able to make an educated decision? Just doing a little bit of homework, and the newbie should not have any issue about being swayed by a few people posting their good experienecs at these joints.

However, I am sure some will find flaws in my logic

I commend you for expressing your opinion without getting personal

Of course even the best casinos get complaints....I agree with you there.....but it comes down to the nature of those complaints, and how they are handled. When it comes to places like 3Dice and 32Red, I have seen complaints, but never have I seen one handled badly.

The problem with places like s*lver oak and v*rtual is that they might well pay you smaller amounts, or even if you make threats of exposure at prominent forums, but sooner or later you are going to hit something big and they just won't pay. It's been the MO of places like this for years and years, and it's not going to change. As I said, the nature of the complaints themselves are different, in that they just decide to not pay players when they feel like it..mostly the big winners, but sometimes even small ones. It doesn't even come down to terms violations most times, they just stop responding and don't pay and don't give a reason, and that is the big difference between them and the good operators.

Yes, players should do their homework, but I've seen enough "challenged" individuals here over the years to realise that many will just ignore the bad stuff and only see "XXX casino paid me from a ND chip! Yippee!" and go there to use their amazingly generous bonuses....and probably end up back here in 6 months time when they don't get their $10k from the RJ they hit. The ideal situation would be where players who should know better don't post any positive at all about these crooks, but it's not my place to tell people what they can post. All I can do is try and point out that nobody should be depositing there. The whole "oh it was a free chip though" doesn't wash....it's like the affys (some of them here) who promote shoddy operators and say "oh yes but I do warn them about it first". Just an excuse for supporting places that shaft innocent players, and I find it distasteful.

I don't oppose the right of anyone to post positive experiences of rogues, I just think it's morally wrong and just gives them good PR and possibly brings in a few more suckers. I find the attitude of "well they didn't rip me off so I don't care" absolutely appalling, and totally against the principles of this site (IMO)

 

[anniemac]

Every player here is welcome to post their experiences with the casinos they play at.

I wouldn't touch Silver Oak again with a barge pole but if someone else wants to play there after checking out all the stuff here and elsewhere, then they can knock themselves out. But they shouldn't be surprised if it goes to hell in a handbasket after a while.

 

[footdr]

Let me start by saying that I in no way encourage anyone to play at a rogue or even non accredited casino.

However, I believe that at the end of the day, all casinos should get a fair and balanced assessment.

footdr certaintly isn't promoting them, just giving a positive experience.

I will go out on a limb and say that 95%+ of all the complaints dealing with rogue casinos have to deal with players not reading the T&Cs correctly. I mean lets face it....they are confusing and perhaps predatory....but they are there to read. And I am pretty sure the lengthy payout times are written there as well. The back to back freebies probably catches a hell of alot of players...and they don't get paid...and then they cry rogue. But they are in the terms. Again, I am not endorsing how they run their business, just pointing some things out...

Look at it this way....even the cream of the crop accredited casinos here (32Red, 3Dice, etc) get a legit complaint every now and then. Should we not allow any negative posts about them just to protect these accredited casinos? Of course not. So it works both ways. Just as a player has every right to post a LEGIT complaint about an accredited casino......so they should also have the right to post a LEGIT positive experience about a non accredited/rogue casino.

Nifty, I know you are a big advocate of people taking responsibility for their own actions. So do you not agree that a player should be able to see the 97% complaints/3% positive posts about Casino XXX and be able to make an educated decision? Just doing a little bit of homework, and the newbie should not have any issue about being swayed by a few people posting their good experienecs at these joints.

However, I am sure some will find flaws in my logic

I find no flaw in your logic as this forum should be a place for players to ask questions, read comments about players experiences at other casinos(eventhough their experiences may not be what you experience because it is afterall gambling and one player winning doesn't mean you will). Player should comment on their experience at casinos as this is information that is helpful to all players. Nobody should decide to deposit their hard earned money at any casino based on a few players comments or in my opinion even whether a website approves of them or not. Based on my experience, I use free chips to assess the casino and if I believe they have a fair payout per bet I may deposit a small amount to further assess them. If I see no results per spin I usually drop them.
If their deposit bonuses are poor and have too many terms such as no progressive slot play, I won't deposit much when claiming a bonus.

these are just my methods. Everyone should have their own methods and strategy.

As far as

" 95%+ of all the complaints dealing with rogue casinos have to deal with players not reading the T&Cs correctly",

I don't know what the real percentage is but I agree that a good majority of complaints do have to do with this. In fact, I have read many terms where it states the payment is processes with X days and because it was too long in my opinion, I decided not to play there. Or also, I have read TC on bonuses that exclude games I prefer to play and don't deposit due to this. Or, the playthrough is to high so I either don't deposit or deposit without the bonus.

Posting your play experience at a casino is information other players can choose to use or choose not to use to base their play decisions on. It is just information and is one of the reasons I subscribe to player forums to begin with.

 

[skiny]

I think all information sources should be fair, honest and balanced. These casino forums are no exception. It’s quite clear to most people who read these forums that some casinos are really not a good place to waste your money but to simply say they never pay would obviously be incorrect and to suggest that it should be kept secret when they do or to only discuss the good experiences from casinos we like would neither be fair or balanced.

I have said myself in this very forum that I won money at a “rogue” casino. I won 4k many years ago from a random jackpot and I did get paid. I also said getting paid wasn’t easy. I did it on my own through sheer stubbornness and it took quite a bit of time to get the money. I can be a pretty severe pain in the ass when I’m not trying. Imagine what happens when I put my mind to it.

Personally I see no reason for any member of this forum not to tell people they got paid from one of these casinos. It’s actually necessary if we want to include all the information rather than pick and choose which information we see. I also think it’s highly unlikely for some new, inexperienced gambler to somehow pick out one of the very few posts that say Silver Oak or Cool Cat paid somebody and then miss the tens of thousands that say they didn’t. It’s all a matter of balance. When the good outweighs the bad some casinos may be seen in a different light and some casinos will simply never outweigh the bad.

Part of the issue is the belief that if a casino has not paid someone in the past then we should shun, belittle, berate or ridicule anyone who plays there in the future. Some members are fairly quick to lead the offensive against any member who posts a good experience at an undesirable casino. But what happens when people feel an accredited casino should have paid someone and hasn’t? For the most part the reasons casinos give for non-payment are pretty similar. The only real difference is intent. Some casinos intend to pay all winning players (or so they say,) some do not. I think in the end for most people it’s whether or not they did get paid. Not whether or not the casino originally intended to, especially if they don’t feel they really broke any rules. It’s also true that this forum offers assistance for people who do not get paid whenever possible and although that may be admirable, it’s not always fruitful.

So in the end the fair, honest and balanced thing to do is to hear from everyone and to share all experiences. To discuss bad casinos that paid people and good casinos that didn’t, the ones that went above and beyond to keep players happy and the ones that simply rip people off and everyone can make their own decisions where they want to play.

But that’s just my opinion.

 

[chuchu59]

Everyone is free to post a positive or negative experience and that's the way it should be. However, if one, by his/her own admission, states that the intention was part of a deal, this does not sit well with me. Virtual, Cool Cat and co. never has any intention to pay and in the past had always told Bryan they had turned over a new leaf. They were hoping that the forum would help to raise the awareness of their casinos and I believe many newbies had fallen into their traps. These rogues choose people to pay but honestly their overall behaviour is unethical. Finally getting paid isnt after getting the runaround isnt really a positive experience is it? There are also people, especially some obnoxious newbies, who state that since this is an open forum, they may post anything they want. We cannot tie their fingers and not let them type but one should be responsible for what one posts and not just say'Hey I am free to post what I want'. There are usually ulterior motives and I hope no-one takes advantage of the forum for personal benefits. It certainly seems this way to me.

 

[footdr]

Everyone is free to post a positive or negative experience and that's the way it should be. However, if one, by his/her own admission, states that the intention was part of a deal, this does not sit well with me. Virtual, Cool Cat and co. never has any intention to pay and in the past had always told Bryan they had turned over a new leaf. They were hoping that the forum would help to raise the awareness of their casinos and I believe many newbies had fallen into their traps. These rogues choose people to pay but honestly their overall behaviour is unethical. Finally getting paid isnt after getting the runaround isnt really a positive experience is it? There are also people, especially some obnoxious newbies, who state that since this is an open forum, they may post anything they want. We cannot tie their fingers and not let them type but one should be responsible for what one posts and not just say'Hey I am free to post what I want'. There are usually ulterior motives and I hope no-one takes advantage of the forum for personal benefits. It certainly seems this way to me.

I agree that if players have followed the terms and conditions and still don't get paid that is fraud on behalf of the casino. In my particular experience, I didn't get a runaraound, submitted my I.D. documents which were approved and then received payment as I posted. Do I trust that might happen this next time I withdrawal. No, not totally, as even the approved casinos for which I am a vip and have played at for over 5 years don't pay in the same time frame everytime I make a withdrawal. But, in the past 6 years, I have never NOT been paid what I was owed by any casino or casino group. That is a positive thing.

 

[Diane]

Just to add my two cents...

footdr isn't the only member here who has posted she has played at a "rogue" casino and won. If you take into account the members who continue to play at some of the other "roguish" casinos outside of the RTG software group and post about their winning experiences, and these are purported "seasoned/experienced" members too. The only thing we can do is to continue to warn newbies they are taking a HUGE chance to play at these places. They won't be able to PAB, they MAY wait months, even YEARs to gain winnings, and it is unacceptable to promote rogue casinos in any way/shape or form.

If you are going to condemn footdr, you have to condemn all the rest of the members who post about playing at "roguish" casinos too. I don't necessarily agree with her choices, but it's her choice in the end/ her money. I agree with chuchu and Nifty, these are bad places. But as long as there are new gamblers, they will exist.

I have stopped posting about my play at " rougish " casinos......FWIW,

Diane

 

[footdr]

I have stopped posting about my play at " rougish " casinos......FWIW,

Diane

Probably a good idea in this forum.

 

[Tirilej]

I just wonder where our moral is in all this?
Most members here are also members in other forums. Forums that do promote these casinos, and those that promotes them but at the same time warning people.
Then there are forums that only have them listed as Rogue, like this Forum.
No free chips are posted and no free advertising.

Don't we want to get rid of those casinos that are Rogue? I certainly would like them to go out of business. Don't you?
Are we not helping them to stay in business if we are talking about them like this? Like funeral said. That most people just don't read their T&C.
It's not only about reading T&C I should say, it's about understanding them too.
There are so many that don't understand the language, like me when I started to play.
I ended up in the wrong forum where everyone posted all those free chips. I started to play in those casinos, and the point is that I wouldn't have done that if the casinos wouldn't have been there, or if I had started out in a Forum like this.

I moved on to this forum just because those casinos where Rogued here, and noone thought it was okey to promote them.
I can't tell anyone what to do but I will promise that I will never play in a casino that is Rogued here, and I will never think it's okey to do that either.

 

[skiny]

I am simply a believer in freedom of speech.

It's a fundamental right that's not designed just because we don't want to be told what to do or think. It's a necessity for people to have access to all available information.

Now a lie is a lie and if the intention is to deceive people with the wrong information such as a person pretending to be a happy player at a casino to get people to deposit and then not pay them then that obviously goes against the spirit of the freedom. That doesn't mean the freedom should be revoked. It is still a necessity.

I can fully understand wanting to weed out and avoid these types of posts but a person simply saying "I played at Silver Oak and got paid" with no intent other than to share a true experience falls well within the spirit of the freedom of speech and in my opinion is simply more information added to the pot.

There's an old saying that goes "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

There is no bad information if it's true. The only real danger is not having enough.

 

[Tirilej]

I'm also a believer of freedom to speak.

That is also why we will continue to have these kind of discussions about Rogue casinos.
That is a good thing since many people will learn a lot from it and get their own opinions of
wheather they will play in these places or not.

We also have to respect Bryans reasons for Roguing the casinos in the first place.
This Forum has a lot of respect among players and the industri.
When members that have been here a long time still are playing at those casinos I
believe he might feel a little as if whatever he is trying to achieve we don't care.

I care. I have learned a lot here and I will continue to do so.
I also respect members with another opinion

 

[skiny]

The lists, good or bad are simply opinions based on the information they have. Players may or may not agree with the position of some of the casinos on these lists. That's not a lack of respect, it's an honest opinion.

Disagreeing with someone doesn't mean you don't respect them. It doesn't mean you don't like them. It just means you feel differently.

I don't subscribe to any particular religion but I am happy to hear your views on it.
I don't agree with everyone's politics but I am happy to hear their views on that.
I don't believe that every "trusted" casino is 100% trustworthy and every undesirable casino is 100% evil and if you have an opinion or an experience on that subject, again - I am happy to hear that.

I will never simply say "You should not share it."