Serious New Jersey Based Online Casino Question

[Darlabean]

So, I'm reading about the digital fencing being installed that ensures that only people physically located in the State can wager etc.

My question is after this trial period is complete and everything is a success and the 26th of November shows up and it's all green lit, where or what are the sites that I would go to to play? Are they all land based AC casino's with online partners with their own payment processing etc.

So, I logon to Borgataonlinecasino.com or Caesarscasino.com and have at it? Still haven't figured out what operators will be used and more importantly if it's Playtech, RTG etc.

Anyone have a idea of what I can expect after the trial? Of the 12 or so casinos in AC I think there are only 6 or 7 individually run(Caesars owns Harrahs, Showboat, Bally's and so on)

These questions may have already been answered on this thread but I'm very often asleep at the mouse as it were.

 

[lnspin]

Borgata-Bwin-PartyPoker

www.Borgatacasino.com,
www.Borgatapoker.com,
www.NJ.Partypoker.com,

Caesars Entertainment - 888

www.HarrahsCasino.com,
www.WSOP.com,
us.888.com,
us.888poker.com,
us.888casino.com,

Caesars Entertainment - Amaya Gaming

www.CaesarsCasino.com,

Tropicana - Gamesys

www.tropicanacasino.com,
www.virgincasino.com,

Trump Plaza - Betfair

www.betfaircasino.com

Trump Taj Mahal - Ultimate Gaming

www.ucasino.com.

www.GoldenNuggetCasino.com
www.GoldenNuggetPoker.com
nj-casino.goldennuggetcasino.com
nj-poker.goldennuggetcasino.com

 

[bigjohn]

So, I'm reading about the digital fencing being installed that ensures that only people physically located in the State can wager etc.

My question is after this trial period is complete and everything is a success and the 26th of November shows up and it's all green lit, where or what are the sites that I would go to to play? Are they all land based AC casino's with online partners with their own payment processing etc.

So, I logon to Borgataonlinecasino.com or Caesarscasino.com and have at it? Still haven't figured out what operators will be used and more importantly if it's Playtech, RTG etc.

Anyone have a idea of what I can expect after the trial? Of the 12 or so casinos in AC I think there are only 6 or 7 individually run(Caesars owns Harrahs, Showboat, Bally's and so on)

These questions may have already been answered on this thread but I'm very often asleep at the mouse as it were.

One other way to look at it is these are not off shore casinos that have been cleared to operate in New Jersey. These are extensions of casinos which are in NJ using platforms which are supplied by other establishments. In the case of Golden Nugget, they are developing their own platform.

As I understand each license will allow each casino to operate up to 5 sites so eventually there could be as many as 60 sites available.

What games each offers will ultimately be determined by the casino operator (depending on which games they purchase or lease, however that works) but I assume, eventually, they will all have slot games from multiple providers. I would expect that within a few months we will have access to all the most popular games that are found in B&M casinos.

I don't think you will ever see Rival or RTG games because they did not cooperate with our Federal Government when they were supposed to leave the US. I believe we may see MicroGaming slots after a short punishment period because they mostly complied with the Feds.

 

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[queensx3]

confused

ok, so does this mean that eventually all states will be able to play a new jersey based online casino?? not up to par on all this, but sure want to play in the states.

 

[bigjohn]

ok, so does this mean that eventually all states will be able to play a new jersey based online casino?? not up to par on all this, but sure want to play in the states.

That is something New Jersey is certainly hoping will happen.

It's a complicated system we have here because enacting laws concerning any type of gambling are a power left to the individual States (ie; 21 to gamble in NJ but 18 to gamble in NY) but interactions between States fall under Federal jurisdiction.

As far as I know if, say, South Dakota wanted to be able to play on NJ's sites they would have to pass legislation in their own State that does not conflict with NJ's existing laws and then apply to the Federal Government to approve the partnership. I'm sure there would be lengthy discussions in Congress about how that could potentially weaken one State financially and strengthen another and what would NJ be giving back to it's partner and we all know how smooth Congress works .

 

[vinylweatherman]

I feel the biggest problem is the digital fencing. It can't be 100% effective. This was shown when Kentucky forced MGS to block access from within Kentucky or have it's key domains forfeit to the state. The solution was not 100% perfect, and we had cases of non Kentucky players being blocked, and Kentucky players still able to access the sites.

The same could happen here, with some NJ residents getting blocked, whilst some from neighbouring states finding they can access the sites, and could even play if they were able to concoct a NJ postal address.

 

[bigjohn]

I feel the biggest problem is the digital fencing. It can't be 100% effective. This was shown when Kentucky forced MGS to block access from within Kentucky or have it's key domains forfeit to the state. The solution was not 100% perfect, and we had cases of non Kentucky players being blocked, and Kentucky players still able to access the sites.

The same could happen here, with some NJ residents getting blocked, whilst some from neighbouring states finding they can access the sites, and could even play if they were able to concoct a NJ postal address.

I feel they will conquer this problem relatively quickly and there is no reason they should not be able to get the digital fencing perfect once they commit sufficient funding to it. With current GPS technology they can locate a source within a few feet and with the triple safety they have in place where your cell phone signal and computer wi-fi signal must coincide and there can be no remote control software running cheating will be difficult, especially without the cooperation of someone within the State.

I can't see any impetus for anyone within the State to conspire as I think the potential penalties far outweigh any potential compensation from co-conspirators.

The Kentucky case was early on in this particular application of the technology, which itself is ever evolving.

When NJ first started it took several minutes to become 'location compliant' fast forward 2 weeks and it now takes a few seconds.

 

[pokeraddict]

FWIW Golden Nugget is using the same software Betfair is, Amaya Gaming/Ongame.

 

[bigjohn]

FWIW Golden Nugget is using the same software Betfair is, Amaya Gaming/Ongame.

Are you referring to the NJ Betfair as in Trump Plaza's site?

The Golden Nugget site looks nothing like that and the Betfair site bears no resemblance to the Amaya site.

The only Amaya site is the Caesars site, they have some of the games I remember seeing at the old Intercasino.

Golden Nugget is partnered with Bally/IGP and I believe they have developed their own framework. Out of all the NJ sites Golden Nugget are the only ones who currently have any Bally games; Quick Hit Platinum, Hot Shot, and Vegas Hits.

 

[pokeraddict]

Are you referring to the NJ Betfair as in Trump Plaza's site?

The Golden Nugget site looks nothing like that and the Betfair site bears no resemblance to the Amaya site.

The only Amaya site is the Caesars site, they have some of the games I remember seeing at the old Intercasino.

Golden Nugget is partnered with Bally/IGP and I believe they have developed their own framework. Out of all the NJ sites Golden Nugget are the only ones who currently have any Bally games; Quick Hit Platinum, Hot Shot, and Vegas Hits.

Golden Nugget's poker site is powered by Amaya/Ongame and will eventually (or already does) share liquidity with Betfair NJ. Their casino is also powered by Amaya through a Bally partnership, which is why there are some Bally titles.

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[vinylweatherman]

I feel they will conquer this problem relatively quickly and there is no reason they should not be able to get the digital fencing perfect once they commit sufficient funding to it. With current GPS technology they can locate a source within a few feet and with the triple safety they have in place where your cell phone signal and computer wi-fi signal must coincide and there can be no remote control software running cheating will be difficult, especially without the cooperation of someone within the State.

I can't see any impetus for anyone within the State to conspire as I think the potential penalties far outweigh any potential compensation from co-conspirators.

The Kentucky case was early on in this particular application of the technology, which itself is ever evolving.

When NJ first started it took several minutes to become 'location compliant' fast forward 2 weeks and it now takes a few seconds.

It seems they have gone much further than the online casinos in this. Most have stuck to geolocation via IP address, which seems bound to never be 100% accurate. GPS is a different matter, accurate to within a few metres I believe.

There are downsides though. One is that the systems for detecting remote control software throw up false positives, and another is that the player must have a cell phone, and a signal at their location.

An alternative would be to post out bespoke GPS location devices that must be connected to the PC for the casino software to work, and that said devices are tamper proof. Online casinos could have implemented this if they could all agree to go with a standard system such that just ONE of these devices would work with all casinos and software.

Maybe this US system will set the standard for others, and GPS would mean an end to players being able to cheat the system and play from a prohibited country. GPS could also seriously dent the "gnoming" problem, as a single player would be caught straight away if they were playing several accounts with different details from the same address. Online poker could also benefit by enforcing rules to prevent players within x metres of each other playing at the same tables.

Of course, these safeguards will come under attack from the hackers, cheats, and fraudsters.