RTG New Games are a Joke!

[silcnlayc]

I don't know if anyone else has been playing the new games at any RTG casino but I find it somewhat ridiculous for what they created in these new "bonus" games.

I have been playing them for real and in play mode since the day the were released....(5 days now?)and it has taken me to the cleaners.

In the play mode, I have noticed it takes around 200 spins to hit a semi bonus round (they do have semi bonus rounds) where u get 1 free respin...what a joke!

In real money play...like an idiot, even after playing in play mode and knowing the average hit is $1.40 a win on a $2.00 bet, and almost 200 spins to get somewhat of a bonus (semi usually), I cleaned out my neteller account trying to hit the bonus rounds (the full round) in these slots.

They are awful! All of them (except the diamond one, that is iffy). Played them for a SOLID week...Nothing, Nada...zilch! Back to my basics....leaving these money suckers alone...glad I used only winnings to try them out..now I got to dip into my real stash to try to build up another bankroll..

::::smacking self in the head:::: :sniper:

Never again...good luck to all that try them..hope you are luckier on them then me. (and no, this is NOT sour grapes, just stupidity on my part)

 

[SlotsPlayer]

Stick with MG, it's the best

 

[suzecat]

I don't know if anyone else has been playing the new games at any RTG casino but I find it somewhat ridiculous for what they created in these new "bonus" games.

I have been playing them for real and in play mode since the day the were released....(5 days now?)and it has taken me to the cleaners.

In the play mode, I have noticed it takes around 200 spins to hit a semi bonus round (they do have semi bonus rounds) where u get 1 free respin...what a joke!

In real money play...like an idiot, even after playing in play mode and knowing the average hit is $1.40 a win on a $2.00 bet, and almost 200 spins to get somewhat of a bonus (semi usually), I cleaned out my neteller account trying to hit the bonus rounds (the full round) in these slots.

They are awful! All of them (except the diamond one, that is iffy). Played them for a SOLID week...Nothing, Nada...zilch! Back to my basics....leaving these money suckers alone...glad I used only winnings to try them out..now I got to dip into my real stash to try to build up another bankroll..

::::smacking self in the head:::: :sniper:

Never again...good luck to all that try them..hope you are luckier on them then me. (and no, this is NOT sour grapes, just stupidity on my part)

After a suitably long time playing RTG slots (back when Cleo hadn't even been released yet), I have determined that the following has occurred:

Many many players deposited and played the Real Series Video Slots, which had an amazing rate of payout. Then the casino managers began to gripe about the amount of cash they were having to pay players. So, RTG then came up with some "new" RSVS which did not pay as well. Then yet another group of "new" slots that pay squat!

I believe these slots will continue to pay squat until such time as the casinos have recouped their losses (x10? x20? x30????) and then the slots will be "adjusted" back to reasonable payouts. What to do? I am going to find other avenues of amusement until such time as other players have been cleaned out and the slots are adjusted. If that never happens? Then, I suppose, I will find fun elsewhere.

I wish luck to anyone who tries these slots (must have BIG brass ones).

 

[Mousey]

These games have gobbled me up and spit me out. I saw one puny bonus round, that came on that Rich man game (whatever it's called). I think it paid me 34 cents.

Also note that the existing Real Series slots get updated, also, when you click on them for the first time after this 'upgrade'. Hope they haven't killed Aztec and Caesar, too. I'm afraid to try them right now.

Mousey slinks off, licking her wounds....

 

[lovetogamble]

Has anyone noticed that durning the free spins on all the real series slots they do not spin automatically anymore, you have to click each spin. I played the Raindance one this weekend and durning the free spins (which are few and far between) they jerk and spin really weird and you just don't hit squat!

Many many players deposited and played the Real Series Video Slots, which had an amazing rate of payout. Then the casino managers began to gripe about the amount of cash they were having to pay players.

I agree that the real series games have been tighten up. Only once during the first two sets of real series slots they released did I see one RTG with a random jackpot of 13,000+ before it was hit, now I'm seeing them getting much higher before being hit. Inetbet's Ceasar game over 20,000 and Sci-Fi's Aztec Riches over 21,000 (I don't know if it's been hit yet or not). I don't think their paying out nothing like they used too. Also all the other classic slots, Stars & Stripes, Bonkers, Bank On It, etc. only have .5 games. I guess alll the slot money is being played and made off the real series games.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I'm pretty sure I've read on a few occasions (I think VirtualTed confirmed it) RTG licensee's have the ability to set the slots payouts to several settings.

If you're going to play them I'd check out up to date payout info before playing any of them.

 

[GemG7]

I played a few of them. I got the bonus round in Raindance. I was playing a dollar a spin at the time of the bonus, grand total of the bonus round=$12.45.

I agree these slots seem so tight now. I don't play them very often but I remember the bonus rounds were much more frequent in the past and paid better. I'll just stick to VP.

 

[pace]

This thread makes me feel better. I'm a huge RTG fan and I don't often find myself in the RTG knocking mode but I have to agree that not only have the older Real Series Slots gotten tighter than they started out - the new ones are ridiculously tight. Mister Money? At least that one is named right - He got plenty of mine. Back to Video Poker til they grease these darn things!

 

[silkprint]

I thought it was just me .

 

[phynqster]

Yes, I said that the RTG's could change the payout %, but that was on the older slots. I left shortly after Cleo came out. I have no idea what control the properties have now.

 

[jinnia]

Sometime in October something happened to RTG slots, ALL slots!! Regular and video slots all has been a joke since.. but thanks to RTG (I say RTG due to it's not one or two RTG casinos I played, it was ALL of them) being greedy, I have uninstalled all casinos and not playing any of them now. Instead, I bought and will continue to buy IGT slot machines for my home, my own little casino at home... Ha ha!

I might give a couple RTG casinos another try sometime .. but it will be awhile, IF I do!!

 

[pace]

Yes, I said that the RTG's could change the payout %, but that was on the older slots. I left shortly after Cleo came out. I have no idea what control the properties have now.

Did you used to work for RTG?

If so, may I PM you?

 

[Slotmachine]

Yes, I said that the RTG's could change the payout %, but that was on the older slots. I left shortly after Cleo came out. I have no idea what control the properties have now.

By how much? How low could you make it? Could you adjust it for individual players, or just the slot in general?

IMO the online software industry and casinos should follow the same rules that apply to the B&M slots: They cannot change the slot machine payout%, unless they get approval from the authorities.

I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG.

Cheers,
SM

 

[phynqster]

I worked for a casino that used the RTG software. Yes you can always e-mail me here, and I will answer as well as possible.
Slot machines were usually set up for around 98% 96 and 94%. You could set up each denomination how you wanted: .05 at 98% .25 at 94% .50 atat 98 1.00 at 96 and 5.00 at 98%. It was a time consuming task and was not done very often. May be twice or three times a year. This would change the game for everyone. You could not change it for certain players. Hope this helps.

 

[Zoozie]

"I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG."

I believe the same. It would be very interesting to know if this is true.
Because if the could do it, the reels would be weigthed. (5 reels slots), which would solve the case in another thread here.

 

[tim5ny]

"I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG."

I believe the same. It would be very interesting to know if this is true.
Because if the could do it, the reels would be weigthed. (5 reels slots), which would solve the case in another thread here.

As far as the reels being possibly weighted.....take Halloweenies for a great example. The 4th and 5th reels bring in scatters (bunnies) much more often than the first three reels by a long shot. Either there are more scatter symbols on the 4th and 5th reels than on the others, or it is weighted as you say. Not that I would consider weighted reels a form of cheating at all.. but rather a way of setting the payback odds.

 

[Slotmachine]

I worked for a casino that used the RTG software. Yes you can always e-mail me here, and I will answer as well as possible.
Slot machines were usually set up for around 98% 96 and 94%. You could set up each denomination how you wanted: .05 at 98% .25 at 94% .50 atat 98 1.00 at 96 and 5.00 at 98%. It was a time consuming task and was not done very often. May be twice or three times a year. This would change the game for everyone. You could not change it for certain players. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info! That doesn't sound SO bad...98% is pretty good for a slot actually. 94% is not THAT bad for a slot either...but - what was the minimum you could make it? That's the most interesting piece of information I'm after

The 4th and 5th reels bring in scatters (bunnies) much more often than the first three reels by a long shot. Either there are more scatter symbols on the 4th and 5th reels than on the others, or it is weighted as you say.

My guess: it's just done by having more scatters on the last reels, no need to weight. Almost all slots have different # of a certain symbol on different reels.

Cheers,
SM

 

[lovetogamble]

Sometime in October something happened to RTG slots

Right after Halloween! I noticed the change myself and no matter how much nor how eleogant they try to put it I still believe they can set the payouts and set them to the amount you wagering because you can be hitting really well on .40 then go to $1 or $2 and go through 100 spins or more and never hit another thing. Bad luck??? Maybe sometimes but it happens way to much to just be bad luck. You can mention it to the RTG owners and all you get is "sorry your having a run of bad luck" which sometimes I'm sure it is but as bad as my luck is I don't need any extra help to lose.

 

[Slotmachine]

real series spooks me

OK I'm swallowing the bait here - I don't usually care much for anecdotal evidence of "rigged" games...but with these Real Series slots (although I'm not saying they're rigged as in not fair) I'm taking a really cautious approach as my own experience suggests they don't work like slot machines are supposed to. They are probably still fair, although I don't like the idea that the casinos can adjust the payout%.

But... the way the wilds and scatters etc...appear on the reels, it seems like it's not based on a virtual representation of a reel, but rather just determines how much you win and shows a suitable combination of symbols. The fact that they've admitted the free spins feature works that way is suggestive of the same mechanism behind the regular spins. Either that, or their virtual reels are hundreds of symbols long. Sometimes you see no wilds or scatters appear during the slow-down phase at all, and sometimes you see loads of them go by very close to each other on the same reel, and often (this is just very subjective) I feel I can predict the approximate result before the reels even stop.....Also when you're one symbol short of getting 3 scatters, the timing of the sound effect and the symbols rushing by is suggestive of the result, in my very subjective experience.

I know that our minds play tricks on us when we gamble, and superstition takes a hold on us, and I'm usually very skeptical about any such intuitive feelings of riggedness, but I don't know, there's something about these slots that's somehow not right....

I acknowledge that I may well be wrong and it's just my mind playing tricks on me...but....

Cheers,
SM

 

[amatrine]

I have been playing the new rtgs and have done well on a couple, bad on others. On the treasure game, I have done really well. When you pick the treasure chests, I have got a lot of jewel picks for 100 bucks off the bat on a dollar bet. Plus the spins, and and got a couple reregistered bonus rounds. I have got a lot of free spins so far with this.

I also do ok on the new diamond one.

Viking and red sands suck. The panda bear one, forgot the name,
sucks until you hit a bonus round which is rare, but when you do it pays very well with a screen full of wilds.

Im so so on radiance. I have got a few good spins, but mostly just chances at the one time spin. I have lost money on that game as well.

amatrine

 

[phynqster]

When I was in college, I learned that if on a slot machine ( three reel slots, I'm getting old) that the win/loss is predetermined as soon as you pull the handle. The spinning reels are just for your viewing pleasure. They did tests that showed machines that went reel 1 win reel 2 win reel 3 win, had more players and for longer periods, than a machine that had a automatic non win on the first reel. This was still true even if the machine with the loss on the first reel had a higher payout.
The lowest payout that we could set on the slots was about a 92% or there abouts on one machine. Most slots were within 8% from highest to lowest payout. Also remember that when you figure in the local progressives on the slot, the payout % was over 100%

 

[Slotmachine]

When I was in college, I learned that if on a slot machine ( three reel slots, I'm getting old) that the win/loss is predetermined as soon as you pull the handle. The spinning reels are just for your viewing pleasure. They did tests that showed machines that went reel 1 win reel 2 win reel 3 win, had more players and for longer periods, than a machine that had a automatic non win on the first reel. This was still true even if the machine with the loss on the first reel had a higher payout.

Sure, nobody will argue with that. What we want however, is real casino-style slots that have representations of virtual reels and the RNG generates the stop symbol for each reel, even though the whole result is determined as soon as you push the spin button, which it is. It's just knowing that each reel gets an individual random number that makes us feel better - then there is some point in getting all excited about the rest of the reels - even though they've been predetermined already, they were at least predetermined in a real way

The lowest payout that we could set on the slots was about a 92% or there abouts on one machine. Most slots were within 8% from highest to lowest payout. Also remember that when you figure in the local progressives on the slot, the payout % was over 100%

Thanks for the info again, much appreciated. 8% is quite a big difference!!

Now the thing to find out is, what's the level of the local progressive where the games go over 100% return...But I guess it's hard to know that, especially if different RTG's have different payout%'s set for slots..

Cheers,
SM

 

[gaputernut]

questionable

"I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG."

I don't know if that is true are not about MG....I do know they get cold as ice at times..and when new slots are released they loosen up....
And....it seems you can't get some to hit unless you find the amount it's hitting on....that's in MG and RTG. so her post expains that one.

But as for RTG..... I am getting tired of sinking money into them too. I found the old ones pay out better than the new. And...yes they did make changes to the old ones...now aztec treasure shows "1 free spin Awarded" when you hit the idol on free spins, and none of the free spins auto spin. Some of them i have to wait 5 mins or more to download..and the whole site goes slow...usually have to reboot....and when I try to reboot, i have to click on end now on whatever RTG site i am playing.

So I guess I am throwing my money at games that are slow as sh** and I have to wait 5 mins if i change games......hummm...i am stupid!!!!

 

[Mousey]

...
But as for RTG..... I am getting tired of sinking money into them too. I found the old ones pay out better than the new. And...yes they did make changes to the old ones...now aztec treasure shows "1 free spin Awarded" when you hit the idol on free spins, and none of the free spins auto spin. Some of them i have to wait 5 mins or more to download..and the whole site goes slow...usually have to reboot....and when I try to reboot, i have to click on end now on whatever RTG site i am playing.

So I guess I am throwing my money at games that are slow as sh** and I have to wait 5 mins if i change games......hummm...i am stupid!!!!

Yep, the existing games are indeed 'upgraded'. You mean they still have bonus rounds?!?!? I haven't had a bonus round on Aztec since the 'upgrade'. Several hundreds of spins. I didn't know it could go on for so long without bonus round -- I should have been keeping count.

I have DSL and the games are slower, and the reels at times jerk, at times spin and spin (sound familiar MG fans?).

Like someone said earlier... I think I'm going to be sticking to VP at RTGs for awhile...

 

[silcnlayc]

Practice vs Real No Difference on RTG

I went back and tried a few more times like an idiot to see if I can hit at least 1 good bonus round (not a semi one for 1 awful spin) and lost a few more dollars.

I then went in again in play mode and played each game (including the old ones like cleo and caesar etc) and low and behold...the least spins on the play mode was an AVG of 219 spins....and the bonus round you hit is as said...1 free spin...not even the full bonus round..geezes......what have they done to these games?

I am uninstalling as I type...I will not be going back for a LONG LONG time, if ever.

Good luck to all those that play them!

 

[The Dude]

Please note: The following occured while I was taking a five - ten minute break from my ICE special report newsletter. It's not like I'm sitting here goofing off.

I'll have to thrown in my two cents here - I have done exceptionally well today at iNetbet playing slots. I was goofing around with some of the newest ones when I downloaded Treasure Hunt. I had a $200 balance and began making $10 spins sometimes upping it to $20 if my balance could afford it. Within a few minutes I hit the bonus round at $10 a spin. The bonus gave me four chests to choose from which came to 5 free spins and about $150 in cash.

Not bad for a prelude to the free spins. The five free spins totaled around $400 - so I cashed out $400 and went back in.

Now I played at $20 a pop - and within a few minutes I hit the bonus round again. This time I got to choose four treasure chests. The first three gave me five free spins each, and the last chest gave me........$2000!

Can you believe this? I was speechless. So I did the free spins, they totaled around $500 (not so hot) but I cashed out an additional $2500. How cool.

So the "win" switch is back on at RTG

 

[silcnlayc]

And Who knows your Acct at RTG#?

CM, all due respect...I do believe you hit these and I also believe they got your # (account number that is)

Sad to say, I really enjoyed Inetbet games till they introduced the new ones, and it was getting hard already to hit the bonus rounds on the old ones but I persevered and kept playing cause I DID like the games and the HOPE was already present from the bonus hits of earlier times.

IMHO, Now, with the new games, a good bonus round is totally unobtainable for the average player like me ,($2 bet per spin person) on almost all the bonus games, and not just at Inetbet, it's all of them and again, thats just my opinion, after investing almost $3000+ in RTG bonus games at $2 a bet.

 

[suzecat]

CM, all due respect...I do believe you hit these and I also believe they got your # (account number that is)

Sad to say, I really enjoyed Inetbet games till they introduced the new ones, and it was getting hard already to hit the bonus rounds on the old ones but I persevered and kept playing cause I DID like the games and the HOPE was already present from the bonus hits of earlier times.

IMHO, Now, with the new games, a good bonus round is totally unobtainable for the average player like me ,($2 bet per spin person) on almost all the bonus games, and not just at Inetbet, it's all of them and again, thats just my opinion, after investing almost $3000+ in RTG bonus games at $2 a bet.

I'm going to throw my two cents (literally) in here: I play at Inetbet (PickEmPoker is my favorite) but I tried Cleo when I was down to less than two dollars. Wagered 20 cents a spin and hit bonus round which retriggered twice. Bumped me up to $25 (and off I go to VP!) I can certainly be considered an average player at Inetbet (but would not go near many other RTGs for obvious reasons).

 

[The Dude]

Amazingly enough, it took about an half hour for this to hit my Neteller account, and no I'm not a VIP player there. Please note - no bonus was used.

 

[silcnlayc]

Pure Garbage

CM said: So the "win" switch is back on at RTG

I stand by what I feel. The RTG's have become pure garbage since the introduction of the new games. The old ones have gone to garbage too. I gave in to play the slot junkies tourney and decided to go back and give it the old "college try" just once more...

Four deposits later (avg $100 each different times at $1-$2 a spin)...not one bonus round....Still garbage IMO.

Only way I will play there ever again will be with free money or in the "play" mode, for I am not willing to be bored to death and pay for it too....for what good is "instant" withdrawal" when there is nothing to withdraw? Nothing from nothing is still nothing in my book...

 

[silcnlayc]

3+ Months.....have passed and a New Review to do!

I uninstalled in January..

suzecat

says new games are out...went and downloaded...went to test them under play mode and hit one bonus round...made me wonder...hmmm could it be? Have they really listened to what players are saying......4 hours later..hit 1 more bonus round in real money mode) ..woopeee.....here comes the uninstall button once again..Done!

Honey to Bees is exactly as Cesears is but with the bonus round non existent entire time for over an hour...quit ..couldn't get the hive on 5th reel EVER..

Went to Golden Glove....hit the one and only bonus round...interesting..but why bother playing if it comes around once every hour or so?

The other 3....wasted effort...got to hit the bonus reels 1-3-5 on 2 of them...yea right...the 3rd one you have to hit on first three reels such as the Robin Hood game..geezes....enough repeats....make a REAL new game.. that actually is entertaining and EXCITING...

Going back to Loaded and Isis and Avalon...best games yet...when you hit...you know it....and you know it more than once in a session, unlike RTG's...Once in a BLUE MOON...

 

[tennis_balls]

Yes, I said that the RTG's could change the payout %, but that was on the older slots. I left shortly after Cleo came out. I have no idea what control the properties have now.

it would be good to confirm this if true? how 'bout reps from casinos running RTG? anyone care to confirm or deny this?

i've only seen the payout tables from one RTG and it shows their slots have been considerably more stingy in the past 2 years. What up wit dat, yo?

i've played very little RTG slots, but after reading this thread I'd almost rather take my chances on the doubling game at English Harbor.

 

[tennis_balls]

So the "win" switch is back on at RTG

Of course they throw the switch when the alarm sounds that the meister has logged in!

 

[KasinoKing]

Honey to Bees is exactly as Cesears is but with the bonus round non existent entire time for over an hour...quit ..couldn't get the hive on 5th reel EVER..

Went to Golden Glove....hit the one and only bonus round...interesting..but why bother playing if it comes around once every hour or so?

The other 3....wasted effort...got to hit the bonus reels 1-3-5 on 2 of them...yea right...the 3rd one you have to hit on first three reels such as the Robin Hood game..geezes....enough repeats....make a REAL new game.. that actually is entertaining and EXCITING...

And I thought it was just me too!
When I first played these slots they were pretty good - but now? Jeeeeze they are boring (NO decent hits at all), and tighter than a duck's rear end. I've actually forgotten what happens in some of the feature rounds, it's been so long since I got one...

 

[Zoozie]

First of all I must say that the RTG slots are very innovative and they do have a lot of slots with fundamentally different bonus games. So I think they do match MG in the ideas behind the different bonus games. The smoothness/graphics/sounds of MG is better though.

I believe I have only tried the RTG slot after they stopped paying... So I totally agree. My favorite was also Ceasars. It is funny to try to keep the feature game alive, but with low paytables and multiplier, the wins was always way too small. I even managed to have 35 free spins banked once, but it still didnt pay much anything remarkable.

Ceasars reminded me of one the first real 5-reel slots (not virtual) slots I found in Australia where this kind of 5 reel slots was called 'Pookies' (or close). No idea why or what it means though. However one of the games was somehow similar to Caesars. It had some western theme with a sheriff and a bad guy. I would not be suprised if the name of the slot was 'Desperado' or something like that. It had the excacly same way to keep the feature game alive by adding one or more freespins whenever a special symbol occoured during the feature. But when this happened the multiplier increased. If you got the same symbol somwewhere in the next spin, then the multiplier would increase again (you still also got another free spin added). If you missed the symbol, then the multiplier would decrease again. I think you could boost the multiplier to *7 or *9 this way.If you got 5 of these symbols during freespins you would have 50 more free spins added, which I remember since I hit that. This made the free spin game even more exciting and I actually miss this game. It was 4 years ago, so I am not that impressed with the online slots.

Anyway... After 30+ feature games(I never play slots without a 100% bonus, and even with that I have EV<0) at RTG casinos and not a single one paying anything remarkable I totally agree with this
thread.

Zoozie

 

[pacers31]

RTGs

I have been playing Aztec's Treasure game extensively, and I too echo the overwhelming sentiment here. I usually deposit $50 at a time (bodog is the only RTG I play), and the most I have ever been "up" is around $400, betting $1 or 2$ spin. I was up this colosus amount of money, even after hitting the 5 idols and receiving the 25 free spins. I received $100 for the 5 idols, and after the 25 spins, my bonus spins total was only around $130!!!!! Not exactly the "jackpot" that one would imagine for such a hit. I think it may be time to move on to something else. To tell you the truth, MG hasn't been all that great of late either. I love to play the mermaid millions game, but it seems to give similial results. Feel like I am born to lose lately!!!!

 

[johnsteed]

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pacers31

I have been playing Aztec's Treasure game extensively, and I too echo the overwhelming sentiment here. I usually deposit $50 at a time (bodog is the only RTG I play), and the most I have ever been "up" is around $400, betting $1 or 2$ spin. I was up this colosus amount of money, even after hitting the 5 idols and receiving the 25 free spins. I received $100 for the 5 idols, and after the 25 spins, my bonus spins total was only around $130!!!!! Not exactly the "jackpot" that one would imagine for such a hit. I think it may be time to move on to something else. To tell you the truth, MG hasn't been all that great of late either. I love to play the mermaid millions game, but it seems to give similial results. Feel like I am born to lose lately!!!!

Hahaha, I'm in the same boat as you with MG slots as well. I've done ziltch since making a withdrawal at 32Red a few weeks back (ice cold).


I found this to be true also, and I also NEVER (not once) hit any "Free Spin" feature at BoDog while playing "Aztec Treasure". That's on $600 worth of deposits, on modestly low bets placed per spin. Just unlucky... I suppose.


Actually, I happen to think that the RTG slots are underrated, and that "Aztec Treasure" (for the most part) is one of the best games around. If the swings weren't so bad for that game, I actually prefer it (albeit slightly) over my favorite MG games (Tomb Raider/Mermaids Millions/Thunderstruck/Spring Break). Actually, I should rephrase that a little. Swings to me implies that there are many ups and downs, but like what's being mentioned in this thread, RTG slots can go completely down hill and for an extended time (and for quite an extended time to boot).


I'd say I had similar results over at "Casino Extreme" (as I had with BoDog), although I did in fact make one significant (instant) withdrawal. After that, boom, krrrrplunk!!! Each deposit I made after that win, I never got more than a few dollars ahead of the credit I had originally started with. As was the case with BoDog, making repeated $100 deposits and getting literally zero opportunities at winning anything, I decided to pull the plug on RTG's.


Not that I needed any more reinforcement, but the mere fact that "phynqster" went on record by stating that RTG casinos can alter their payout %'s, is enough for me to NOT go back. The games are designed for them to come out ahead in the end, regardless. Why tamper with it when slots already run deep into negative expectation?


Steed

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[tennis_balls]

payout percentages

it would be great to have a chart showing a number of the casinos monthly slot payout percentages to see how they stack up. i have only looked at slot payouts for a few casinos and my initial impression is that MG slots payout significantly more than RTG. (by at least a full percentage point....possibly 1.5 points) By know means have I done a comprehensive analysis so this is still just one man's opinion.

 

[Simmo!]

Just to play devils advocate for a second, I think it's good that RTG are creating and releasing new games and trying new ideas.

Sure they may not be good on the payouts, but change is good...and you learn from experience. As someone pointed out earlier on, it may be that the casinos have set their own paytables hence the bad runs.



Simmo!

 

[amatrine]

Re

I tried out all the new games. I only really got free spins on the baseball one a few times.

Each one I tried (excpet out of this world and the riches ones) I got a free spin rite off the bat only winning $5.00 on each one. Baseball I hit a 45 dollar free round. Nothing big. I figure since the games are new, they most likley will not be profitable at first as there isnt much money into them.

Ama

 

[metaxa]

i had another experience with RTG Slots. i tried Hillbillies, Honey to the bee and Realm of Riches with a $500 deposit at vipcasinos. on every 3 slots i got bonus features after a short time and cashed out $2500 at the end.

RTG Slots can have long long losing streaks, but if you get a feature than i expect mostly something between x50 and x100 bet, sometimes more. I had bad luck at Bodog for 4 months and lost $6000, i thought its impossible to win here. i decided to make my last deposit with $1000 at Bodog and won $11800 on the same day and $4500 on the following (i play only Real Series Slots). now i have a profit at Bodog, but before i thought its a waste of time and money to play there.
Inetbet the same, last month i won $9800 at Gold Beard with a $20 bet.

can't complain about RTG

 

[amatrine]

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Way to go)

I have yet to ever hit a real series random. I havnt done all that well on real series the last few months. I used to have good luck on ronin, but its been a long long time. Ihave been sticking more to video poker. I hit about 5 royals in the last two months.

Amatrine

 

[Zoozie]

Not that I needed any more reinforcement, but the mere fact that "phynqster" went on record by stating that RTG casinos can alter their payout %'s, is enough for me to NOT go back.

I think he was only talking about 3-reel slots and not the 5-reels slots you play. Because of the weighted reels of 3-reel slots it is very easy to change the payout% this way.

But for 5-reel slots this is another matter. The slot simulator I made left no doubt that for MG 5-reel slots each spin is non-weighted. It just chooses a random (with equal probabilities) position on each reel that typical has 30-40 symbols (some symbols occours multiple times on each reel though).

So there is no way to configure the payout% for the 5 reel MG slots.
I have not yet tested RTG 5-reel slots this way. But I would be VERY surprised if they did not work the same way. The only way to change this
would be to change the reels, only the software provider can do this. So if there are some truth about RTG slots went 'cold' this is what I would say is the most likely explanation.

Zoozie

 

[Zoozie]

Stupid Zoozie! I decided to try the new RTG slots.

There was a 125% deposit bonus coupon. I deposited 50$ so I had 125$. Playing 1.25$ a spin on "Outtathisworld" the money lasted 10 minutes! Highest win was 6$ and I never even got the feature. (even if I had hit it, the average win is still only about 30 times bet size on these)

Btw, I will start continue the work on my slot simulator again so I am reminded of how hopeless odds you have against these beasts.

Zoozie

 

[breakstone]

RTG Bad payers

Had a real bad run at Inet Bet. Lost heaps. Then I got 100 free spins on Raindance, got 5 wolves. Won $2000 on 1 spin playing $5.00 spin. They have a really long losing sequence and then you can win once or twice. They aren't the best payers but I like some of the games. Forget the new games they are rubbish. Cleo Rain Dance and Aztec are the best of a bad bunch

 

[babs7262]

I like RTG

I guess Im the odd man (woman) out. That is all I play. I get bonus rounds alot. I only play $1 spins and never cash out for more than about $300 - $400 but that's not bad for a $20 investment

I don't play to become a rich person and I know Ill probably never hit the random but I play because I like the games and it entertains me and gives me a chance to get some extra spending cash.

I dont think I havnt hit a bonus on every game offered except on that new dolphin one I dont like because I feel like my head is spinning with the way the reels look lol

 

[Mike031]

deposited 50$ so I had 125$. Playing 1.25$ a spin on "Outtathisworld" the money lasted 10 minutes! Highest win was 6$ and I never even got the feature. (even if I had hit it, the average win is still only about 30 times bet size on these)

I think that's very normal, because i've lost even $ 400 without any bonus feature on only a $ 1 bet, so that's not really mysterious