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RTG New Games are a Joke!

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Non-Bonus Issues' started by silcnlayc, Jan 23, 2006.

    Jan 23, 2006
  1. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I don't know if anyone else has been playing the new games at any RTG casino but I find it somewhat ridiculous for what they created in these new "bonus" games.

    I have been playing them for real and in play mode since the day the were released....(5 days now?)and it has taken me to the cleaners.:mad:

    In the play mode, I have noticed it takes around 200 spins to hit a semi bonus round (they do have semi bonus rounds) where u get 1 free respin...what a joke!:puke:

    In real money play...like an idiot, even after playing in play mode and knowing the average hit is $1.40 a win on a $2.00 bet, and almost 200 spins to get somewhat of a bonus (semi usually), I cleaned out my neteller account trying to hit the bonus rounds (the full round) in these slots.

    They are awful! All of them (except the diamond one, that is iffy). Played them for a SOLID week...Nothing, Nada...zilch! Back to my basics....leaving these money suckers alone...glad I used only winnings to try them out..now I got to dip into my real stash to try to build up another bankroll..

    :eek: ::::smacking self in the head:::::axeman: :sniper:

    Never again...good luck to all that try them..hope you are luckier on them then me. (and no, this is NOT sour grapes, just stupidity on my part):lolup:
     
  2. Jan 23, 2006
  3. SlotsPlayer

    SlotsPlayer Dormant account

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    USA
    Stick with MG, it's the best :thumbsup:
     
  4. Jan 23, 2006
  5. suzecat

    suzecat Dormant account CAG MM webmeister

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    California
    After a suitably long time playing RTG slots (back when Cleo hadn't even been released yet), I have determined that the following has occurred:

    Many many players deposited and played the Real Series Video Slots, which had an amazing rate of payout. Then the casino managers began to gripe about the amount of cash they were having to pay players. So, RTG then came up with some "new" RSVS which did not pay as well. Then yet another group of "new" slots that pay squat!

    I believe these slots will continue to pay squat until such time as the casinos have recouped their losses (x10? x20? x30????) and then the slots will be "adjusted" back to reasonable payouts. What to do? I am going to find other avenues of amusement until such time as other players have been cleaned out and the slots are adjusted. If that never happens? Then, I suppose, I will find fun elsewhere.

    I wish luck to anyone who tries these slots (must have BIG brass ones).
     
  6. Jan 23, 2006
  7. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    These games have gobbled me up and spit me out. I saw one puny bonus round, that came on that Rich man game (whatever it's called). I think it paid me 34 cents. :p

    Also note that the existing Real Series slots get updated, also, when you click on them for the first time after this 'upgrade'. Hope they haven't killed Aztec and Caesar, too. I'm afraid to try them right now. :oops:

    Mousey slinks off, licking her wounds....
     
  8. Jan 23, 2006
  9. lovetogamble

    lovetogamble Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Has anyone noticed that durning the free spins on all the real series slots they do not spin automatically anymore, you have to click each spin. I played the Raindance one this weekend and durning the free spins (which are few and far between) they jerk and spin really weird and you just don't hit squat!

    Many many players deposited and played the Real Series Video Slots, which had an amazing rate of payout. Then the casino managers began to gripe about the amount of cash they were having to pay players.

    I agree that the real series games have been tighten up. Only once during the first two sets of real series slots they released did I see one RTG with a random jackpot of 13,000+ before it was hit, now I'm seeing them getting much higher before being hit. Inetbet's Ceasar game over 20,000 and Sci-Fi's Aztec Riches over 21,000 (I don't know if it's been hit yet or not). I don't think their paying out nothing like they used too. Also all the other classic slots, Stars & Stripes, Bonkers, Bank On It, etc. only have .5 games. I guess alll the slot money is being played and made off the real series games.
     
  10. Jan 23, 2006
  11. Dirk Diggler

    Dirk Diggler Dormant account

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    I'm pretty sure I've read on a few occasions (I think VirtualTed confirmed it) RTG licensee's have the ability to set the slots payouts to several settings.

    If you're going to play them I'd check out up to date payout info before playing any of them.
     
  12. Jan 23, 2006
  13. GemG7

    GemG7 Dormant account

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    I played a few of them. I got the bonus round in Raindance. I was playing a dollar a spin at the time of the bonus, grand total of the bonus round=$12.45.

    I agree these slots seem so tight now. I don't play them very often but I remember the bonus rounds were much more frequent in the past and paid better. I'll just stick to VP.
     
  14. Jan 24, 2006
  15. pace

    pace Dormant account

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    Canada
    This thread makes me feel better. I'm a huge RTG fan and I don't often find myself in the RTG knocking mode but I have to agree that not only have the older Real Series Slots gotten tighter than they started out - the new ones are ridiculously tight. Mister Money? At least that one is named right - He got plenty of mine. Back to Video Poker :) til they grease these darn things!
     
  16. Jan 24, 2006
  17. silkprint

    silkprint Dormant account

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    Mass
    I thought it was just me .
     
  18. Jan 25, 2006
  19. phynqster

    phynqster Dormant account

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    Manager
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    los angeles, ca
    Yes, I said that the RTG's could change the payout %, but that was on the older slots. I left shortly after Cleo came out. I have no idea what control the properties have now.
     
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  20. Jan 25, 2006
  21. jinnia

    jinnia Dormant account

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    Lady of Leisure
    Location:
    Bite, ME
    Sometime in October something happened to RTG slots, ALL slots!! Regular and video slots all has been a joke since.. but thanks to RTG (I say RTG due to it's not one or two RTG casinos I played, it was ALL of them) being greedy, I have uninstalled all casinos and not playing any of them now. Instead, I bought and will continue to buy IGT slot machines for my home, my own little casino at home... Ha ha!

    I might give a couple RTG casinos another try sometime .. but it will be awhile, IF I do!!
     
  22. Jan 25, 2006
  23. pace

    pace Dormant account

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    Did you used to work for RTG?

    If so, may I PM you?
     
  24. Jan 25, 2006
  25. Slotmachine

    Slotmachine Dormant account

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    By how much? How low could you make it? Could you adjust it for individual players, or just the slot in general?

    IMO the online software industry and casinos should follow the same rules that apply to the B&M slots: They cannot change the slot machine payout%, unless they get approval from the authorities.

    I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG.

    Cheers,
    SM
     
  26. Jan 25, 2006
  27. phynqster

    phynqster Dormant account

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    Manager
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    los angeles, ca
    I worked for a casino that used the RTG software. Yes you can always e-mail me here, and I will answer as well as possible.
    Slot machines were usually set up for around 98% 96 and 94%. You could set up each denomination how you wanted: .05 at 98% .25 at 94% .50 atat 98 1.00 at 96 and 5.00 at 98%. It was a time consuming task and was not done very often. May be twice or three times a year. This would change the game for everyone. You could not change it for certain players. Hope this helps.
     
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  28. Jan 25, 2006
  29. Zoozie

    Zoozie Ueber Meister CAG PABnonaccred

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    Denmark
    "I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG."

    I believe the same. It would be very interesting to know if this is true.
    Because if the could do it, the reels would be weigthed. (5 reels slots), which would solve the case in another thread here.
     
  30. Jan 25, 2006
  31. tim5ny

    tim5ny Quit Gambling

    As far as the reels being possibly weighted.....take Halloweenies for a great example. The 4th and 5th reels bring in scatters (bunnies) much more often than the first three reels by a long shot. Either there are more scatter symbols on the 4th and 5th reels than on the others, or it is weighted as you say. Not that I would consider weighted reels a form of cheating at all.. but rather a way of setting the payback odds.
     
  32. Jan 25, 2006
  33. Slotmachine

    Slotmachine Dormant account

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    Thanks for the info! That doesn't sound SO bad...98% is pretty good for a slot actually. 94% is not THAT bad for a slot either...but - what was the minimum you could make it? That's the most interesting piece of information I'm after;)


    My guess: it's just done by having more scatters on the last reels, no need to weight. Almost all slots have different # of a certain symbol on different reels.

    Cheers,
    SM
     
  34. Jan 25, 2006
  35. lovetogamble

    lovetogamble Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Right after Halloween! I noticed the change myself and no matter how much nor how eleogant they try to put it I still believe they can set the payouts and set them to the amount you wagering because you can be hitting really well on .40 then go to $1 or $2 and go through 100 spins or more and never hit another thing. Bad luck??? Maybe sometimes but it happens way to much to just be bad luck. You can mention it to the RTG owners and all you get is "sorry your having a run of bad luck" which sometimes I'm sure it is but as bad as my luck is I don't need any extra help to lose.:eek: :eek:
     
  36. Jan 25, 2006
  37. Slotmachine

    Slotmachine Dormant account

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    real series spooks me

    OK I'm swallowing the bait here - I don't usually care much for anecdotal evidence of "rigged" games...but with these Real Series slots (although I'm not saying they're rigged as in not fair) I'm taking a really cautious approach as my own experience suggests they don't work like slot machines are supposed to. They are probably still fair, although I don't like the idea that the casinos can adjust the payout%.

    But... the way the wilds and scatters etc...appear on the reels, it seems like it's not based on a virtual representation of a reel, but rather just determines how much you win and shows a suitable combination of symbols. The fact that they've admitted the free spins feature works that way is suggestive of the same mechanism behind the regular spins. Either that, or their virtual reels are hundreds of symbols long. Sometimes you see no wilds or scatters appear during the slow-down phase at all, and sometimes you see loads of them go by very close to each other on the same reel, and often (this is just very subjective) I feel I can predict the approximate result before the reels even stop.....Also when you're one symbol short of getting 3 scatters, the timing of the sound effect and the symbols rushing by is suggestive of the result, in my very subjective experience.

    I know that our minds play tricks on us when we gamble, and superstition takes a hold on us, and I'm usually very skeptical about any such intuitive feelings of riggedness, but I don't know, there's something about these slots that's somehow not right....

    I acknowledge that I may well be wrong and it's just my mind playing tricks on me...but....

    Cheers,
    SM
     
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  38. Jan 25, 2006
  39. amatrine

    amatrine Crazy Cat Lady webmeister

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    I have been playing the new rtgs and have done well on a couple, bad on others. On the treasure game, I have done really well. When you pick the treasure chests, I have got a lot of jewel picks for 100 bucks off the bat on a dollar bet. Plus the spins, and and got a couple reregistered bonus rounds. I have got a lot of free spins so far with this.

    I also do ok on the new diamond one.

    Viking and red sands suck. The panda bear one, forgot the name,
    sucks until you hit a bonus round which is rare, but when you do it pays very well with a screen full of wilds.

    Im so so on radiance. I have got a few good spins, but mostly just chances at the one time spin. I have lost money on that game as well.

    amatrine
     

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