RTG New Games are a Joke!

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When I was in college, I learned that if on a slot machine ( three reel slots, I'm getting old) that the win/loss is predetermined as soon as you pull the handle. The spinning reels are just for your viewing pleasure. They did tests that showed machines that went reel 1 win reel 2 win reel 3 win, had more players and for longer periods, than a machine that had a automatic non win on the first reel. This was still true even if the machine with the loss on the first reel had a higher payout.
The lowest payout that we could set on the slots was about a 92% or there abouts on one machine. Most slots were within 8% from highest to lowest payout. Also remember that when you figure in the local progressives on the slot, the payout % was over 100%
 

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phynqster said:
When I was in college, I learned that if on a slot machine ( three reel slots, I'm getting old) that the win/loss is predetermined as soon as you pull the handle. The spinning reels are just for your viewing pleasure. They did tests that showed machines that went reel 1 win reel 2 win reel 3 win, had more players and for longer periods, than a machine that had a automatic non win on the first reel. This was still true even if the machine with the loss on the first reel had a higher payout.

Sure, nobody will argue with that. What we want however, is real casino-style slots that have representations of virtual reels and the RNG generates the stop symbol for each reel, even though the whole result is determined as soon as you push the spin button, which it is. It's just knowing that each reel gets an individual random number that makes us feel better - then there is some point in getting all excited about the rest of the reels - even though they've been predetermined already, they were at least predetermined in a real way:)

The lowest payout that we could set on the slots was about a 92% or there abouts on one machine. Most slots were within 8% from highest to lowest payout. Also remember that when you figure in the local progressives on the slot, the payout % was over 100%

Thanks for the info again, much appreciated. 8% is quite a big difference!!

Now the thing to find out is, what's the level of the local progressive where the games go over 100% return...But I guess it's hard to know that, especially if different RTG's have different payout%'s set for slots..

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"I believe MG casinos cannot change the payout%. A very good reason to favor MG."

I don't know if that is true are not about MG....I do know they get cold as ice at times..and when new slots are released they loosen up....
And....it seems you can't get some to hit unless you find the amount it's hitting on....that's in MG and RTG. so her post expains that one.

But as for RTG..... I am getting tired of sinking money into them too. I found the old ones pay out better than the new. And...yes they did make changes to the old ones...now aztec treasure shows "1 free spin Awarded" when you hit the idol on free spins, and none of the free spins auto spin. Some of them i have to wait 5 mins or more to download..and the whole site goes slow...usually have to reboot....and when I try to reboot, i have to click on end now on whatever RTG site i am playing.

So I guess I am throwing my money at games that are slow as sh** and I have to wait 5 mins if i change games......hummm...i am stupid!!!!
 

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gaputernut said:
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But as for RTG..... I am getting tired of sinking money into them too. I found the old ones pay out better than the new. And...yes they did make changes to the old ones...now aztec treasure shows "1 free spin Awarded" when you hit the idol on free spins, and none of the free spins auto spin. Some of them i have to wait 5 mins or more to download..and the whole site goes slow...usually have to reboot....and when I try to reboot, i have to click on end now on whatever RTG site i am playing.

So I guess I am throwing my money at games that are slow as sh** and I have to wait 5 mins if i change games......hummm...i am stupid!!!!

Yep, the existing games are indeed 'upgraded'. You mean they still have bonus rounds?!?!? :confused: I haven't had a bonus round on Aztec since the 'upgrade'. Several hundreds of spins. I didn't know it could go on for so long without bonus round -- I should have been keeping count.

I have DSL and the games are slower, and the reels at times jerk, at times spin and spin (sound familiar MG fans?).

Like someone said earlier... I think I'm going to be sticking to VP at RTGs for awhile...
 

silcnlayc

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Practice vs Real No Difference on RTG

I went back and tried a few more times like an idiot to see if I can hit at least 1 good bonus round (not a semi one for 1 awful spin) and lost a few more dollars.

I then went in again in play mode and played each game (including the old ones like cleo and caesar etc) and low and behold...the least spins on the play mode was an AVG of 219 spins....and the bonus round you hit is as said...1 free spin...not even the full bonus round..geezes......what have they done to these games?

I am uninstalling as I type...I will not be going back for a LONG LONG time, if ever.

Good luck to all those that play them!
 

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Please note: The following occured while I was taking a five - ten minute break from my ICE special report newsletter. It's not like I'm sitting here goofing off. :D

I'll have to thrown in my two cents here - I have done exceptionally well today at iNetbet playing slots. I was goofing around with some of the newest ones when I downloaded Treasure Hunt. I had a $200 balance and began making $10 spins sometimes upping it to $20 if my balance could afford it. Within a few minutes I hit the bonus round at $10 a spin. The bonus gave me four chests to choose from which came to 5 free spins and about $150 in cash.

Not bad for a prelude to the free spins. The five free spins totaled around $400 - so I cashed out $400 and went back in.

Now I played at $20 a pop - and within a few minutes I hit the bonus round again. This time I got to choose four treasure chests. The first three gave me five free spins each, and the last chest gave me........$2000!

Can you believe this? I was speechless. So I did the free spins, they totaled around $500 (not so hot) but I cashed out an additional $2500. How cool.

So the "win" switch is back on at RTG :thumbsup:
 

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And Who knows your Acct at RTG#?

CM, all due respect...I do believe you hit these and I also believe they got your # (account number that is) :lolup:

Sad to say, :( I really enjoyed Inetbet games till they introduced the new ones, and it was getting hard already to hit the bonus rounds on the old ones but I persevered and kept playing cause I DID like the games and the HOPE was already present from the bonus hits of earlier times.

IMHO, Now, with the new games, a good bonus round is totally unobtainable for the average player like me ,($2 bet per spin person) on almost all the bonus games, and not just at Inetbet, it's all of them and again, thats just my opinion, after investing almost $3000+ in RTG bonus games at $2 a bet.
 

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silcnlayc said:
CM, all due respect...I do believe you hit these and I also believe they got your # (account number that is) :lolup:

Sad to say, :( I really enjoyed Inetbet games till they introduced the new ones, and it was getting hard already to hit the bonus rounds on the old ones but I persevered and kept playing cause I DID like the games and the HOPE was already present from the bonus hits of earlier times.

IMHO, Now, with the new games, a good bonus round is totally unobtainable for the average player like me ,($2 bet per spin person) on almost all the bonus games, and not just at Inetbet, it's all of them and again, thats just my opinion, after investing almost $3000+ in RTG bonus games at $2 a bet.

I'm going to throw my two cents (literally) in here: I play at Inetbet (PickEmPoker is my favorite) but I tried Cleo when I was down to less than two dollars. Wagered 20 cents a spin and hit bonus round which retriggered twice. Bumped me up to $25 (and off I go to VP!) I can certainly be considered an average player at Inetbet (but would not go near many other RTGs for obvious reasons).
 

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Amazingly enough, it took about an half hour for this to hit my Neteller account, and no I'm not a VIP player there. Please note - no bonus was used.
 

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CM said: So the "win" switch is back on at RTG
I stand by what I feel. The RTG's have become pure garbage since the introduction of the new games. The old ones have gone to garbage too. I gave in to play the slot junkies tourney and decided to go back and give it the old "college try" just once more...

Four deposits later (avg $100 each different times at $1-$2 a spin)...not one bonus round....Still garbage IMO. :mad:

Only way I will play there ever again will be with free money or in the "play" mode, for I am not willing to be bored to death and pay for it too....for what good is "instant" withdrawal" when there is nothing to withdraw? Nothing from nothing is still nothing in my book...:eek: :eek2:
 

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3+ Months.....have passed and a New Review to do!

I uninstalled in January..
says new games are out...went and downloaded...went to test them under play mode and hit one bonus round...made me wonder...hmmm could it be? Have they really listened to what players are saying......4 hours later..hit 1 more bonus round in real money mode) ..woopeee.....here comes the uninstall button once again..Done!

Honey to Bees is exactly as Cesears is but with the bonus round non existent entire time for over an hour...quit ..couldn't get the hive on 5th reel EVER..

Went to Golden Glove....hit the one and only bonus round...interesting..but why bother playing if it comes around once every hour or so?

The other 3....wasted effort...got to hit the bonus reels 1-3-5 on 2 of them...yea right...the 3rd one you have to hit on first three reels such as the Robin Hood game..geezes....enough repeats....make a REAL new game.. that actually is entertaining and EXCITING...

Going back to Loaded and Isis and Avalon...best games yet...when you hit...you know it....and you know it more than once in a session, unlike RTG's...Once in a BLUE MOON...:lolup:
 

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phynqster said:
Yes, I said that the RTG's could change the payout %, but that was on the older slots. I left shortly after Cleo came out. I have no idea what control the properties have now.

it would be good to confirm this if true? how 'bout reps from casinos running RTG? anyone care to confirm or deny this?

i've only seen the payout tables from one RTG and it shows their slots have been considerably more stingy in the past 2 years. What up wit dat, yo?

i've played very little RTG slots, but after reading this thread I'd almost rather take my chances on the doubling game at English Harbor.
 
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silcnlayc said:
Honey to Bees is exactly as Cesears is but with the bonus round non existent entire time for over an hour...quit ..couldn't get the hive on 5th reel EVER..

Went to Golden Glove....hit the one and only bonus round...interesting..but why bother playing if it comes around once every hour or so?

The other 3....wasted effort...got to hit the bonus reels 1-3-5 on 2 of them...yea right...the 3rd one you have to hit on first three reels such as the Robin Hood game..geezes....enough repeats....make a REAL new game.. that actually is entertaining and EXCITING...
And I thought it was just me too!
When I first played these slots they were pretty good - but now? Jeeeeze they are boring (NO decent hits at all), and tighter than a duck's rear end. I've actually forgotten what happens in some of the feature rounds, it's been so long since I got one... :mad: :axeman:
 

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First of all I must say that the RTG slots are very innovative and they do have a lot of slots with fundamentally different bonus games. So I think they do match MG in the ideas behind the different bonus games. The smoothness/graphics/sounds of MG is better though.

I believe I have only tried the RTG slot after they stopped paying... So I totally agree. My favorite was also Ceasars. It is funny to try to keep the feature game alive, but with low paytables and multiplier, the wins was always way too small. I even managed to have 35 free spins banked once, but it still didnt pay much anything remarkable.

Ceasars reminded me of one the first real 5-reel slots (not virtual) slots I found in Australia where this kind of 5 reel slots was called 'Pookies' (or close). No idea why or what it means though. However one of the games was somehow similar to Caesars. It had some western theme with a sheriff and a bad guy. I would not be suprised if the name of the slot was 'Desperado' or something like that. It had the excacly same way to keep the feature game alive by adding one or more freespins whenever a special symbol occoured during the feature. But when this happened the multiplier increased. If you got the same symbol somwewhere in the next spin, then the multiplier would increase again (you still also got another free spin added). If you missed the symbol, then the multiplier would decrease again. I think you could boost the multiplier to *7 or *9 this way.If you got 5 of these symbols during freespins you would have 50 more free spins added, which I remember since I hit that. This made the free spin game even more exciting and I actually miss this game. It was 4 years ago, so I am not that impressed with the online slots.

Anyway... After 30+ feature games(I never play slots without a 100% bonus, and even with that I have EV<0) at RTG casinos and not a single one paying anything remarkable I totally agree with this
thread.

Zoozie
 
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I have been playing Aztec's Treasure game extensively, and I too echo the overwhelming sentiment here. I usually deposit $50 at a time (bodog is the only RTG I play), and the most I have ever been "up" is around $400, betting $1 or 2$ spin. I was up this colosus amount of money, even after hitting the 5 idols and receiving the 25 free spins. I received $100 for the 5 idols, and after the 25 spins, my bonus spins total was only around $130!!!!! Not exactly the "jackpot" that one would imagine for such a hit. I think it may be time to move on to something else. To tell you the truth, MG hasn't been all that great of late either. I love to play the mermaid millions game, but it seems to give similial results. Feel like I am born to lose lately!!!!
 

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I have been playing Aztec's Treasure game extensively, and I too echo the overwhelming sentiment here. I usually deposit $50 at a time (bodog is the only RTG I play), and the most I have ever been "up" is around $400, betting $1 or 2$ spin. I was up this colosus amount of money, even after hitting the 5 idols and receiving the 25 free spins. I received $100 for the 5 idols, and after the 25 spins, my bonus spins total was only around $130!!!!! Not exactly the "jackpot" that one would imagine for such a hit. I think it may be time to move on to something else. To tell you the truth, MG hasn't been all that great of late either. I love to play the mermaid millions game, but it seems to give similial results. Feel like I am born to lose lately!!!!


Hahaha, I'm in the same boat as you with MG slots as well. I've done ziltch since making a withdrawal at 32Red a few weeks back (ice cold).


I found this to be true also, and I also NEVER (not once) hit any "Free Spin" feature at BoDog while playing "Aztec Treasure". That's on $600 worth of deposits, on modestly low bets placed per spin. Just unlucky... I suppose.


Actually, I happen to think that the RTG slots are underrated, and that "Aztec Treasure" (for the most part) is one of the best games around. If the swings weren't so bad for that game, I actually prefer it (albeit slightly) over my favorite MG games (Tomb Raider/Mermaids Millions/Thunderstruck/Spring Break). Actually, I should rephrase that a little. Swings to me implies that there are many ups and downs, but like what's being mentioned in this thread, RTG slots can go completely down hill and for an extended time (and for quite an extended time to boot).


I'd say I had similar results over at "Casino Extreme" (as I had with BoDog), although I did in fact make one significant (instant) withdrawal. After that, boom, krrrrplunk!!! Each deposit I made after that win, I never got more than a few dollars ahead of the credit I had originally started with. As was the case with BoDog, making repeated $100 deposits and getting literally zero opportunities at winning anything, I decided to pull the plug on RTG's.


Not that I needed any more reinforcement, but the mere fact that "phynqster" went on record by stating that RTG casinos can alter their payout %'s, is enough for me to NOT go back. The games are designed for them to come out ahead in the end, regardless. Why tamper with it when slots already run deep into negative expectation?


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it would be great to have a chart showing a number of the casinos monthly slot payout percentages to see how they stack up. i have only looked at slot payouts for a few casinos and my initial impression is that MG slots payout significantly more than RTG. (by at least a full percentage point....possibly 1.5 points) By know means have I done a comprehensive analysis so this is still just one man's opinion.
 

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Just to play devils advocate for a second, I think it's good that RTG are creating and releasing new games and trying new ideas.

Sure they may not be good on the payouts, but change is good...and you learn from experience. As someone pointed out earlier on, it may be that the casinos have set their own paytables hence the bad runs.

:)

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I tried out all the new games. I only really got free spins on the baseball one a few times.

Each one I tried (excpet out of this world and the riches ones) I got a free spin rite off the bat only winning $5.00 on each one. Baseball I hit a 45 dollar free round. Nothing big. I figure since the games are new, they most likley will not be profitable at first as there isnt much money into them.

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