RTG back to crap

[AudiManinBoro]

I said to my self , let me try a new casino(RTG) Ive never played at.
I chose slotsplus.
After 2 deposits plus bonus.......all the others look to me like...salvation army......goodwill.....red cross.
Unbelievable.

I agree with that, i tried them too, very little value for money! wont be depositing again.

 

[babs7262]

The one thing I absolutely hate is the low payouts . I was betting a 40 cents- $1 a spin and got 4 in a row of something good and was only paid my bet! Most of the wins were under $1. I dont like that (with the expception of sevens and bars)

 

[debbiek]

ALL of these RTG's have been stealing people's money for months now. It's nothing new...been going on since about March of this year. Don't give them any deposits at all because they don't care if you lose over and over.

You can even test it in fun mode...you'll lose there too. They changed their payouts to unbelievable levels probably under 40%. I feel so much better because I haven't deposited anything for quite some time now because it's so obvious they are cheating. Period.

 

[kakata]

....and if it wasnt enough we do have to suffer from some
"technical" problem too...

 

[Rusty]

RTG Casinos are cheats full stop.
That goes for all of them.
They alter their payouts to stupidly low levels and don't give a damn how blatant their cheating is.
Everyone who is a genuine player and played any length of time at RTG's knows this for a fact.
I prefer RTG slots to MG personally and though I am certain MG slots are no more random than RTG at least they generally maintain payout levels.
Do not waste your money with RTG because sooner or later you will be making deposit after deposit and getting below 60% payout consistently.

I openly challenge any RTG to prove what I say is untrue.

 

[kakata]

they will not prove u anything......never
We should ,tho, prove em, that we can be strong enough and not play at theyr casinos anymore..... untill......untill I dont frikking know....I was told by Max not to say f....k
love you ALL

 

[bb28]

RTG Casinos are cheats full stop.
That goes for all of them.
They alter their payouts to stupidly low levels and don't give a damn how blatant their cheating is.
Everyone who is a genuine player and played any length of time at RTG's knows this for a fact.
I prefer RTG slots to MG personally and though I am certain MG slots are no more random than RTG at least they generally maintain payout levels.
Do not waste your money with RTG because sooner or later you will be making deposit after deposit and getting below 60% payout consistently.

I openly challenge any RTG to prove what I say is untrue.

Where is your proof Rusty? Have you done or have you paid for an audit......Just asking........

If you really feel that strongly about the payouts being rigged.......it's pretty simple as Kakaka said.......don't give them anymore money.

 

[babs7262]

I was just thinking

when you think about it, some ppl think ever since the US pulled out they had to make changes as to not lose money BUT...I see it differently. RTG for the most part is still available to the USA and tons of MG and NO playtech or wagerworks are gone, so where are those US players going?

I mean, it could be that RTG is actually making a killing since the pull out because these playtech/wagerworks ppl had to change software right?

I dont know what my point is lol. Im just writing out loud. It cant be that reason but for some reason RTG IS tighter, not saying they are cheating, but much tighter and I just dont understand why if they arnt really losing much business

 

[Rusty]

Where is your proof Rusty? Have you done or have you paid for an audit......Just asking........

If you really feel that strongly about the payouts being rigged.......it's pretty simple as Kakaka said.......don't give them anymore money.

My proof is in the playlogs of every RTG Casino I have played.
Why pay for an audit when I can do my own?
I won't give them any more money but why should I remain silent about them changing the payouts?
If you make a deposit at a Casino using software you know well and get a return of less than 70% and little play you put it down to a bad session.
You might put down the missing scatter symbols and weird spins to a freak glitch.
If you make 10 deposits at a Casino and get between 50% and 80% on all of them and if you get features less than half as often than you did before and the features all pay less than before and you never get a re-trigger like you did before then unless you are very very backward you begin to believe the payouts have been altered.
When you have similar results at different Casinos using the same software over Tens of thousands if not Hundreds of Thousands of spins then you are pretty sure the payouts are being altered.
And when this always happens after a mystery update you KNOW the payouts are being altered.

I think that is worthy of a mention or indeed many mentions on a Casino watchdog forum even if you do not.

I know you say you are just asking but it is an odd question since I openly state the Casinos are welcome to disprove what I am saying by showing playlogs that do not show what I am saying.
That is payout and gameplay that does not alter abruptly and continue over Thousands of spins and many deposits.
If they do that impossible thing that is when you should question my rationale for bashing RTG Casinos.

 

[tim5ny]

Is it just me ?
All my deposits the last couple of Days at RTG's have disappeared super quick and if I have been lucky enough to hit a feature there have been no retriggers to be seen and I am lucky to hit X10 bet.

I am talking over Thousands of spins here at different Casinos with the same crap results.

After being anhialated at Rushmore for a few deposits I switched to Vegas online and what a joke that was.

The reels go in slow motion and that was the only reason my second deposit lasted as long as 20 minutes.

What is the deal with those spins?

Two features on Derby dollar amounting to X5 bet together lol and One on vikings voyage X8 I finished on Wizzard game and didn't even see Two scatters let alone trigger a feature.

So is it just me or have things turned for other RTG players of late?

I am going to leave alone for a while now unless some good folk here I trust are still hitting.

That avatar kills me Rusty! It's so fitting for you! Whenever I read your posts I can see that clown shrugging his shoulders with a look of "what the hell?"

 

[RobWin]

My proof is in the playlogs of every RTG Casino I have played.
Why pay for an audit when I can do my own?
I won't give them any more money but why should I remain silent about them changing the payouts?
If you make a deposit at a Casino using software you know well and get a return of less than 70% and little play you put it down to a bad session.
You might put down the missing scatter symbols and weird spins to a freak glitch.
If you make 10 deposits at a Casino and get between 50% and 80% on all of them and if you get features less than half as often than you did before and the features all pay less than before and you never get a re-trigger like you did before then unless you are very very backward you begin to believe the payouts have been altered.
When you have similar results at different Casinos using the same software over Tens of thousands if not Hundreds of Thousands of spins then you are pretty sure the payouts are being altered.
And when this always happens after a mystery update you KNOW the payouts are being altered.

I think that is worthy of a mention or indeed many mentions on a Casino watchdog forum even if you do not.

I know you say you are just asking but it is an odd question since I openly state the Casinos are welcome to disprove what I am saying by showing playlogs that do not show what I am saying.
That is payout and gameplay that does not alter abruptly and continue over Thousands of spins and many deposits.
If they do that impossible thing that is when you should question my rationale for bashing RTG Casinos.

I've got to agree with you here Rusty, this year has been totally different as far as play time, number of deposits vs number of cashouts, number of times hitting the features or free spins and the dollar amount of wins when you do hit something. I've been playing these RTG casinos for about five or six years now and it has never, ever been as bad a beat as it has been this year !

If they (RTG) or the individual casinos have not changed something this year then they would have to prove that to me, you cannot consistently have this many folks saying basically the same thing for such a long period of months if something is not wrong...

 

[tim5ny]

they will not prove u anything......never
We should ,tho, prove em, that we can be strong enough and not play at theyr casinos anymore..... untill......untill I dont frikking know....I was told by Max not to say f....k
love you ALL

Whan you really have to let loose Kakata, try saying phuck! instead! Somehow it's more internet friendly.......yet it gets the job done!

 

[bb28]

Whan you really have to let loose Kakata, try saying phuck! instead! Somehow it's more internet friendly.......yet it gets the job done!

I kinda like frikkin myself.

 

[bb28]

My proof is in the playlogs of every RTG Casino I have played.
Why pay for an audit when I can do my own?
I won't give them any more money but why should I remain silent about them changing the payouts?
If you make a deposit at a Casino using software you know well and get a return of less than 70% and little play you put it down to a bad session.
You might put down the missing scatter symbols and weird spins to a freak glitch.
If you make 10 deposits at a Casino and get between 50% and 80% on all of them and if you get features less than half as often than you did before and the features all pay less than before and you never get a re-trigger like you did before then unless you are very very backward you begin to believe the payouts have been altered.
When you have similar results at different Casinos using the same software over Tens of thousands if not Hundreds of Thousands of spins then you are pretty sure the payouts are being altered.
And when this always happens after a mystery update you KNOW the payouts are being altered.

I think that is worthy of a mention or indeed many mentions on a Casino watchdog forum even if you do not.

I know you say you are just asking but it is an odd question since I openly state the Casinos are welcome to disprove what I am saying by showing playlogs that do not show what I am saying.
That is payout and gameplay that does not alter abruptly and continue over Thousands of spins and many deposits.
If they do that impossible thing that is when you should question my rationale for bashing RTG Casinos.

I realize that you have a lot of data and that you've been collecting it for a while. It's been said that a change on the paytables takes 6 months to come into effect, although we don't know that is a fact either. . I do wish that they would pay for a independent audit and don't quite understand why they don't. If they did it would sure put a lot of the rumors to rest........or at least I think it would.
Everyone has a right to bitch and moan sometimes.......and hey I've been guilty of it myself from time to time but on the other hand, if I really have a gut feeling that something isn't right.........I take my money to other places. Unless there is an audit done or someone stumbles upon the proverbial smoking gun......there isn't any way to disprove or prove the theory that something is different or rigged.

 

[debbiek]

it wouldn't matter if they did an "independent audit' because they'll tell you whatever they want regarding the results. If you KNOW & FEEL something isn't right with these RTG casinos and have alot of prior experience playing the games, then you can only come to one conclusion.

They need to keep paying their affiliates for the referrals, but they don't have to pay you. Prism, BetRoyal, etc have constant complaints from their affiliates not paid on time or at all (I've seen the posts from another site).

These places just hope you'll keep trying them until something changes, but it's been months and it's as bad as ever. Just use discipline and use your money to buy something for yourself and not for them. They are cheating and getting away with it. No regulations, laws just people giving them their money.

 

[funeral979]

While I agree that the slots are paying much less than before, I have yet to see anyone mention RTG blackjack in this thread. I used to think that RTG had the fairest blackjack of all the major software providers, but this year....

I recently had a run of 23 losing hands in a row, and several more 15+ losing streaks in the past 2 months. I mainly play at Main Street Group, so not sure if it just them..

Anyone else having equally bad results at their table games?

 

[KasinoKing]

Catching up after 3 days off-line...

Is it just me ?
All my deposits the last couple of Days at RTG's have disappeared super quick and if I have been lucky enough to hit a feature there have been no retriggers to be seen and I am lucky to hit X10 bet.

Rusty, could you tell us which games you were playing and at what bet levels?
I think it would add more substance to your posts.

5 people play the same game at the same online casino, are they all just served a clone of the same game payback percentage all being equal or is it like sitting at a slot machine in land casino where two identical slot machines side by side can be set at different payback percentages?

I think not.
There are basically two groups of people here, who believe either:-
A) Online slots are 100% random & the payback % is determined solely by the numbers of symbols per reel and the structure of the paytable (exactly the same as a roulette wheel is random).
B) Online slots are 'rigged' to make people think they're random, but really the software makes sure you can't win in the long run, and casinos can turn the "win switch" off or on as they see fit.

I would say its a matter of timing more than anything else. Everyone playing the same online slot can't win at once so while one person is losing their shirt another may be doing well.

Personally, being in the (A) group above - I think everyone CAN win at once.
It's not very likely though, is it!

it wouldn't matter if they did an "independent audit' because they'll tell you whatever they want regarding the results. If you KNOW & FEEL something isn't right with these RTG casinos and have alot of prior experience playing the games, then you can only come to one conclusion.

They need to keep paying their affiliates for the referrals, but they don't have to pay you. Prism, BetRoyal, etc have constant complaints from their affiliates not paid on time or at all (I've seen the posts from another site).

These places just hope you'll keep trying them until something changes, but it's been months and it's as bad as ever. Just use discipline and use your money to buy something for yourself and not for them. They are cheating and getting away with it. No regulations, laws just people giving them their money.

Great post!

 

[chuchu59]

While I agree that the slots are paying much less than before, I have yet to see anyone mention RTG blackjack in this thread. I used to think that RTG had the fairest blackjack of all the major software providers, but this year....

I recently had a run of 23 losing hands in a row, and several more 15+ losing streaks in the past 2 months. I mainly play at Main Street Group, so not sure if it just them..

Anyone else having equally bad results at their table games?

Yes, RTG BJ together with CON BJ were what I considered the fairest BJ on the net. Havent played RTG BJ for quite awhile but if it's anything like other RTG table games like Baccarat I would stay far away from it.

 

[silentvet]

RTG and those "free spins"

I've been reading the comments of those who have seen a change in RTG features and free spins.
I've been playing at 5 different RTG sites and in the last 45 days the free spins feature, which use to be pretty random, has jumped to an average of 100-175 spins before the feature kicked in. What I have learned to do is to reduce my initial bets to 20 cents or 40 cents in the first 100 spins and then to up it to $1 or $2 afterwards. Then, what I've found is that the game treats you as a LOYAL player and then increasingly pays you more on the free spins. It's been working well for me.

Silentvet

 

[Rusty]

Reply to KK.
I don't see how that information helps but as you know I always low roll.
For example my last starting balance was $75 played Cleopatra's Gold exclusively on 45c bets 9lines.
Hit the free spins Once
Returns around 50-60%

Previous play same Casino same slot I went roughly 1000 spins between hitting the feature.
Same slot same Casino not hit One retrigger on Freespins in roughly 30 features.
Very unusual for this slot as usually could expect at least One retirgger in 10 Features.
Achilles another of my favourite slots I hit the Achilles Feature Once in nearly Two thousand spins?
I think my average even now is for that slot is proabably 1 in 800 spins
The New slot with the dogs it took nearly One Thousand spins to trigger the feature which payed X3 Bet LMFAO
I hit the Feature Twice more in on this slot since over Several Hundred spins and not yet won more than X10 Bet

On the flip side I had some great runs at Rushmore when I first joined and commented on them at the time, I also mentioned I hoped a mystery update would not affect payout. (updates maybe a Red herring)
Of course I knew my winning streak was as manufactured as this losing streak but that is much easier to forgive

So to sum up many Thousands of spins with good entertainment expected returns of 93%+ plenty of features and re-triggers.
Followed by update and;
Many Thousands of spins of no entertainment unexpected returns of <70% hardly any features and NO re-triggers.

Now I am an analytical so and so but also open minded and I am prepared to believe in the existence of Extra terrestrial life somewhere in this vast Universe. I can read books on the principles quantum physics and accept the ideas that there are parallel Universes and that time travel is theoretically possible, I am even ready to believe in the existence of an omnipotent ultimate being but I can never believe that my runs at RTG's are the results of natural streaks.

God bless you all :notworthy

 

[gerilege]

Achilles another of my favourite slots I hit the Achilles Feature Once in nearly Two thousand spins?

I can only comment on this, because I also like that slot. In my experience the 3 wilds feature is much harder to hit than the other one with 3 scatters. I first thought that they were equally likely, but as time went by, I hit 3-4 times more the Troy feature than the Achilles one. And it's also not that easy to hit the Troy feature. I don't have any reel layout of course, but if I take a 1:150 chance of hitting the Troy feature, then hitting the Achilles might easily be around 1:600.
And not achieving an 1:600 event in 2000 trials is not so unlikely, the probability is around 1:28.

 

[Rusty]

I can only comment on this, because I also like that slot. In my experience the 3 wilds feature is much harder to hit than the other one with 3 scatters. I first thought that they were equally likely, but as time went by, I hit 3-4 times more the Troy feature than the Achilles one. And it's also not that easy to hit the Troy feature. I don't have any reel layout of course, but if I take a 1:150 chance of hitting the Troy feature, then hitting the Achilles might easily be around 1:600.
And not achieving an 1:600 event in 2000 trials is not so unlikely, the probability is around 1:28.

Welcome back.

It is a fact the Castle feature is easier to win as there are Two Castles on reel 4 but only One on all other reels the same as Achilles.
I think this means the Castle feature is just over 1 1/2 times more likely than Achilles on an unweighted slot.

So if the Castle feature is triggered at 120 spins on average the Achilles would be nearer to 200.
A 1 in 600 event is a far too higher estimate IMO of the average frequency of Achilles triggers but without knowing the reel lengths I can not say for sure.
My huge playtime on this slot though tells me 200 is much closer than 600.

Remember this is an overview of how the slots have played and no One statistic should be taken in isolation, it is weight of evidence.

It is hard to ignore the fact that apparently many other avid RTG slot players have experienced the same things.

The point is that those who have experienced these awful streaks will be able to relate to what I am saying and know this makes it even more likely the slot payout is nowhere what it should be and the payout is being adjusted to throw a bone now and again and then back to ultra tight.

I bet if you were to ask all the people on here who played RTG nearly every Day they would tell you that they knew when they were going to lose their deposits super fast withing the first 50-100 spins, it is that obvious.

 

[gerilege]

Welcome back.

It is a fact the Castle feature is easier to win as there are Two Castles on reel 4 but only One on all other reels the same as Achilles.
I think this means the Castle feature is just over 1 1/2 times more likely than Achilles on an unweighted slot.

I would like to post more here, but it's difficult to find the timeslot. Again, I only had the time to think about this part of your post. It really depends on the reel length, the shorter reel4 is, the bigger the difference. I will try to come up with some figures tomorrow if time permits.

One more thing. I fully understand how frustrating slots play can be sometimes. I don't play RTG slots on a daily basis, rather weekly or biweekly, but I fully believe that they are random and good slots. I simply have no reason to believe otherwise based on my experience. Not because of my results, but due to more circumstances. And I'm not an affiliate

 

[Rusty]

If you are getting a different experience with RTG then it is right that you should express it.
Unfortunately I can only go off my own experience which is over Hundreds of Thousands of spins at various RTG's.
Ultimately that is all any of us can do and then share our thoughts and experiences for people to agree or disagree with.
I will always tell it the way it is and you will also find favourable posts and winners screenshots posts from me as I try to keep things as balanced and honest as possible.
My only agenda is to have fairer online slots for all slots junkies.

 

[reda]

yes rtg tight indeed. and i know that the features come really far apart and i have low rolled and waited and waited and finally got a feature then i played and played some more until i figured it was time for the feature to hit so i would up my bet and lo behold i seen the feature just about hit and it did this several times and i figured it was time for the feature to hit i was right about that but because i had upped my bet it passed me by. i think it was not ready to hit a feature since i had upped my bed so it just passed me by. i see this a lot when i play.